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Mac Arrowny posted...

Wasn't it Han's medal?

This. Went to Leia after Han's death and then to Chewie after her death.


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red13n posted...

(And her replacement completely erased from the third I believe).

Huh? What is this referencing?

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I got the impression that the medal was for Chewbacca, not that it was just giving him the medal of his dead friend.

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Waluigi1 posted...

Huh? What is this referencing?

Master Codebreaker

Leafeon13N posted...

Master Codebreaker

Ah yes, another plotline that seemed to go pretty much unresolved.

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Waluigi1 posted...

Cause it's definitely not Rian Johnson's fault for purposefully shitting on everything JJ was trying to set up and leaving him with a mess to clean up.

I think it was a team effort. JJ could have handed him the spark notes had they existed

It's really easy to create threads. It's harder to resolve them all in a logical and satisfying manner

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Just saw it earlier tonight. Initial impression is it was "okay". Like it didnt really wow me that much. CGI Carrie Fisher looked and sounded real enough that I never felt like Rey was talking to a green screen or something.
Still want to put The Force Awakens as the best of the sequel trilogy but this is deff second.
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That wasn't CGI.

That was unused footage they shot from TFA.

It's why Rey is wearing her TFA garb.

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is it just me or did they use like, the exact same shot of Rey hugging Leia as TFA

I mean, obviously, I totally get it, so I can't fault them for it, but it did distract me

The one thing I can't knock this movie for is Leia's premature death since that's obviously nobody's fault although it's unfortunate that of all the things they DIDN'T plan in this trilogy, this was the ONE thing they weren't able to call an audible on

Yeah so final episode of The Mandalorian is out and it makes this film look like a joke.

So much more happens in a tight 45 minute episode.

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banananor posted...

I think it was a team effort. JJ could have handed him the spark notes had they existed

It's really easy to create threads. It's harder to resolve them all in a logical and satisfying manner

Afaik the script for the last jedi was being written before the force awakens was even out.

What's more is that Rian Johnson (imo someone who was not established enough to get the directors chair for the movie in the first place) had shown in his few past works he likes to screw convention and expectation. So even it he did get some info it's very likely he'd ignore it

Paratroopa1 posted...

is it just me or did they use like, the exact same shot of Rey hugging Leia as TFA

I mean, obviously, I totally get it, so I can't fault them for it, but it did distract me

Same here. I thought the Leia scenes were the weakest part. Much of Leia's dialogue made no sense in the context of the scenes she was in. It's unfortunate they didn't have enough spare footage to make something more coherent. In retrospect, I think it would have been better to cut out all of her scenes up until her savior moment. Would have been very powerful to have her only presence in the film to be to give her life force to stop Palpatine.

Along with that, I would have cut out all of the rebel base stuff. Have the small number of rebels either just in space or planet hopping. The near destruction of the rebels was one of the best things TLJ did. Then give some more screentime to what Lando did to recruit the new fleet.

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Waluigi1 posted...

Cause it's definitely not Rian Johnson's fault for purposefully shitting on everything JJ was trying to set up and leaving him with a mess to clean up.

I know, it was totally Johnson who decided that this last movie should be a grand finale for the whole saga instead of just closing this one trilogy. Oh wait.

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oh wow has Episode IX turned LMS into a Last Jedi apologist

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I never hated TLJ. I just didn't like it.

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Finally saw it.

It wasn't the end of the world, but it was certainly not good. Definitely the worst of this set, but still above the prequels....contemplating it's placement compared to RotJ.

Really it's just a stark contrast that this 20 second clip of two nobodies dicking around and saying nothing in The Madalorian is better than the entirety of Episode 9 and is ALSO TECHNICALLY JUST A FANSERVICE MOMENT. So even on the grounds of being fanservice wankery Episode 9 isn't doing it.

https://twitter.com/I_Am_Yakiti/status/1210669977843519490?s=19

I saw it tonight in 4DX. I had no idea that was a thing but I also never watch movies in theaters (or watch movies much at all these days) so I decided to give IX a go with this weird immersive experience.

4DX was pretty cool. Lotta air puffs to my head. The back punches were a fun touch.

I enjoyed the movie and from an outside observer of the SW fanbase I didnt get much of the criticism in this topic. But then Ive also never found any of the films to be that great, including the OT. Id probably rank the ST above the OT even (but the PT is still last, ugh the acting/script were so bad there... painful).

I might have TRoS at the top of my rankings, which probably seems abhorrent to the superfans of the series. Either that or TFA. It took me two watches to get on board with TLJ. I still find the OT to be basic and more just relics of their time. Very cheesy and overhyped. Again, blasphemous opinions, but I rewatched the OT before TFA and did not get what made them so good. They were fine, simple, but not much more. Kinda like I had to be there at the time, or have been raised on them, to truly fall in love.

TRoS wasnt perfect and Ive definitely begun to question more of it after reading through the problems brought up in this topic, but then Im also like... well, Im not sure Ive ever loved SW more than anyone here anyway, so perhaps Im not critical enough of the series, or Im viewing it wrong, or its just not my jam (despite enjoying the ST a decent amount). A part of me wonders if SW needs to be viewed so critically, because I dont think its intended to be, but the other part of me gets it. Im fairly critical of the stuff I go crazy for, so why not SW? I dunno!

7 > 9 > 8 right now.

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Peridiam posted...

I might have TRoS at the top of my rankings, which probably seems abhorrent to the superfans of the series.

I think part of the issue here is that that probably isn't that abhorrent

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I really enjoyed the film. I felt it rounded out the overarching stories really well and mostly everything was a good conclusion.

I am surprised people are shocked at Rey being a Palpatine. It was so obvious. She was never going to be a skywalker....that was Kylo Ren's thing....so I always just assumed she was of the other big lineage. And was right. And Im fine with it.

The one thing I have issue with was the use of Leia's character. I felt it didnt do the character or actress justice. I know they were obviously very limited in what they could do, given Carrie's passing, but I almost feel like an off-screen death pre-movir or a using cgi to increase the role wouldve been better.

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I think a large chunk of the fanbase wanted Rey to be a Kenobi for some reason.

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Obviously she should've been a Windu.

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Rey Binks

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FFDragon posted...

Rey Binks

Rey Rey Binks imhotbqh

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I concede that is way better

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The thing about Rey's lineage is that TLJ pounded the "You're not related to anybody" drum so hard that throwing that away in TRoS just feels silly at best. Like, what was even the point?

Like, I'm not shocked about it. Just disappointed.

Yeah, it sucks.

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Yeah, it's dumb to backpedal on it at this point, but I also fully expected them to do so.

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The "Rey is nobody" thing from TLJ is the one part of that movie I completely and without reservation thought was good writing and should have been kept. So, of course...

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They backpedalled on everything they could this movie.

Like what narrative purpose did re-forging Ren's mask serve?

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FFDragon posted...

They backpedalled on everything they could this movie.

Like what narrative purpose did re-forging Ren's mask serve?

I guess Abrams really liked the mask look!

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That's what I mean. All we got out of it was a cringy "I see through the cracks in your mask" line and then it was basically forgotten about again.

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The only things in RLJ that matter are Luke's and Snoke's deaths and Rey's and Kylo's psychic link. Everything else is completely irrelevant.

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Oh that's another thing, my theatre literally chortled at the offhanded "I MADE SNOKE" line with the pan over of the clone tubes.

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FFDragon posted...

Oh that's another thing, my theatre literally chortled at the offhanded "I MADE SNOKE" line with the pan over of the clone tubes.

Makes me wonder why Palps didn't just make another Snoke to undo yet another thing Johnson did...!

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So, basically Palpatine made this movie and the ST. The whole Rey/Kylo Ren story was boring, the First Order v. Rebellion war never made sense, and the other characters were all boring.

And Palpatine didn't really make sense, but he was awesome, and I was rooting for him to win by this end of this one.

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Peridiam posted...

I still find the OT to be basic and more just relics of their time. Very cheesy and overhyped. Again, blasphemous opinions, but I rewatched the OT before TFA and did not get what made them so good. They were fine, simple, but not much more. Kinda like I had to be there at the time, or have been raised on them, to truly fall in love.

I wouldn't consider myself a star wars fan really, but c'mon, you have to at least like A New Hope. There are some moments in A New Hope that are like, pure movie magic:

* Obi-Wan's "Use the force, Luke" echoes in Luke's head, and then Luke shuts off his targeting computer
* Han shows up to the final battle right when all seems lost, and he saves Luke from Vader's tie fighter
* Obi-Wan intentionally losing the duel with Vader, to ensure Luke will come back stronger than ever

Luke shutting off that targeting computer has gotta be one of the best moments ever in a movie.

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Maybe. Not sure I can recall loving it.

Im watching the RLM review of IX and loving how much this movie makes no sense to fans of SW. I cant say I thought much about a lot of their issues with the movie, but then I kinda feel like these films are hoping for that in the first place.

I sat in a 4DX chair and treated it like a 2.5 hour amusement park ride. Enjoyable, but also :(

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Epyo posted...

I wouldn't consider myself a star wars fan really, but c'mon, you have to at least like A New Hope. There are some moments in A New Hope that are like, pure movie magic:

* Obi-Wan's "Use the force, Luke" echoes in Luke's head, and then Luke shuts off his targeting computer
* Han shows up to the final battle right when all seems lost, and he saves Luke from Vader's tie fighter
* Obi-Wan intentionally losing the duel with Vader, to ensure Luke will come back stronger than ever

Luke shutting off that targeting computer has gotta be one of the best moments ever in a movie.

Yeah, I didn't grow up watching the OT, but that moment in the Death Star trench never fails to make my heart swell. It's such an amazing piece, and never get tired of it.

Peridiam posted...

I sat in a 4DX chair and treated it like a 2.5 hour amusement park ride. Enjoyable, but also :(

You can go to Galaxy's Edge I guess.

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The only thing better than the Death Star Trench was the Death Star Trench runs in Rogue Squadron.

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I was at Disney World a few weeks ago when the new Star Wars ride opened and I decided to go to Animal Kingdom instead.

Cant say I regret it.

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Peridiam posted...

I saw it tonight in 4DX. I had no idea that was a thing but I also never watch movies in theaters (or watch movies much at all these days) so I decided to give IX a go with this weird immersive experience.

4DX was pretty cool. Lotta air puffs to my head. The back punches were a fun touch.

I enjoyed the movie and from an outside observer of the SW fanbase I didnt get much of the criticism in this topic. But then Ive also never found any of the films to be that great, including the OT. Id probably rank the ST above the OT even (but the PT is still last, ugh the acting/script were so bad there... painful).

I might have TRoS at the top of my rankings, which probably seems abhorrent to the superfans of the series. Either that or TFA. It took me two watches to get on board with TLJ. I still find the OT to be basic and more just relics of their time. Very cheesy and overhyped. Again, blasphemous opinions, but I rewatched the OT before TFA and did not get what made them so good. They were fine, simple, but not much more. Kinda like I had to be there at the time, or have been raised on them, to truly fall in love.

TRoS wasnt perfect and Ive definitely begun to question more of it after reading through the problems brought up in this topic, but then Im also like... well, Im not sure Ive ever loved SW more than anyone here anyway, so perhaps Im not critical enough of the series, or Im viewing it wrong, or its just not my jam (despite enjoying the ST a decent amount). A part of me wonders if SW needs to be viewed so critically, because I dont think its intended to be, but the other part of me gets it. Im fairly critical of the stuff I go crazy for, so why not SW? I dunno!

7 > 9 > 8 right now.

Do you watch movies from the '70s and '80s all that often?

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Peridiam posted...

I was at Disney World a few weeks ago when the new Star Wars ride opened and I decided to go to Animal Kingdom instead.

Cant say I regret it.

I haven't viewed it yet because I want to avoid spoilers but apparently it is very impressive(It opens here in a few weeks).

But Hollywood Studios still blows compared to Animal Kingdom. You made the right choice.

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saw the movie a few days ago.

it wasn't terrible but i didn't really like it.

i'm sure a lot of people have said this already but it felt really MCU-ish, particularly with the rey/poe/finn banter.

palpatine was disappointing. not sure why. he's undeniably one of the best aspects of RotJ but in this movie he just wasn't as fun.

there was a lot of cringey fanservice but is it just me or was this even worse in TFA? like, in that one they couldn't go two minutes without C-3PO saying "THANK THE MAKER" or whatever. obviously TFA was the better movie but yeah.

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LinkMarioSamus posted...

Do you watch movies from the '70s and '80s all that often?

I dont.

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I'm pretty sure 3PO is in TFA for all of 30 seconds and never says "Thank the Maker." He just makes a joke about how Han probably didn't recognize him because of his red arm (which the movies never explained), and that was it.

TFA was a callback to A New Hope, but I don't feel like the fanservice was quite as overt as RoS was.

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Peridiam posted...

I dont.

That would explain it then. I'll admit I had to watch a lot of movies from those decades to properly appreciate the original trilogy, and that the franchise did not really leave much of an impact on me growing up.

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https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2019/12/25

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Wow does Penny Arcade look ugly these days.

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KamikazePotato posted...

Wow does Penny Arcade look ugly these days.

This is a post that can unite us all, I think.

But just to make sure we don't get too comfortable, I've settled on OT > PT > ST

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The sequel trilogy was already better than the prequels after Episode VII.

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