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I too barely registered the shooting as a political issue.

Im just so numb. It feels pointless to even advocate while republicans hold all political power because theyre all bought and paid for on this issue. The best we can hope for is increased funding for psychiatric care in the next budget.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Raw is whatever. They just bumble from matchup to matchup around the main event scene until its the anointed time for Roman vs Brock. Its not great but it is what it is

To me Raw is MORE frustrating because the obvious answer to all of their problems is to turn Roman and let him cool down some while pulling the trigger on Braun while he is still super hot.
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Pshaw you just gave up life as a SANDWICH ARTIST to go be a linecook?
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Honestly sort of the backbone of the board these days alongside leon and jakyl
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At the very least they need to deny Trump that particular club.

You just know hes going to run as a populist again somehow
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Personally, nothing tops Hart/Austin for me.

Hart/Hart at WMX stands out to me
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This is yoir generational reminder that Wu rules and Shu sucks
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HaRRicH posted...

Yeeeees, tag -- glad to see this is back.

I'm writing about Vice Presidential tie-breakers lately since Pence has broken eight ties in just thirteen months. I wondered if you could elaborate on some of the most important ties to be broken by a VP -- it's hard to tell at a glance of these which really reshaped history and which just allowed another vote to happen as per procedure.

Hmmm,

My gut instinct is that the answer here is probably John Adams sometime during the first congress breaking a tie on something that defined some sort of important procedure. The first two congresses didnt so much legislate as define the role and rules of congress.

But I am going to have to sit down and research this one vs a few others I know of
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Braun is 10/10
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1/10 waste of space user
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As long as my SO wasnt brohan id deal.
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TheRock1525 posted...

I'm an incredibly indifferent towards the Bucks. I have no strong feelings one way or another.

Yeah same.

They're an act that quite simply doesn't move the needle for me.
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I have words....words for Sultan.

At UCA 10 I tried to reform one of the most dominant stables of our run - to re form the Trifecta. Led by me with you and eaed as my proud sentinels, my attack dogs.

We were going to come together destroy The Empire of Silence or Whiskey on the Rocks one last time. But you had yoir own plans. You took things into your own hands and turned on me. Tried to help that loser Extha.

Well it didnt work. I am a Mt Rushmore caliber talent and little men like you and Extha cannot stop me. I beat Boko Nee and FFD in back to back matches to be the first undisputed champion. I have pinned XIII in the main event of Epopmania.

And on this final Epopmania, I am going to kick your ass as the curtain closes on this project and you return to your gas station and anonymity.

Eaed! Book it. Now.
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VOTE ONCE PER HOUR: CPU
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Not_an_Owl posted...

Tell me a story about Daniel Webster.

Webster is like the Benjamin Disraeli of American history where a lot of amazing quotes are attributes to him but its hard to really latch on to anything he ever actually, you know, did.

But he was a very gifted orator so lets talk about a speech hes famous for.

First of all Webster was a really flamboyant and well known trial lawyer. It would like Senator Johnny Cochran in terms of how he presented himself. He basically RAN the Congress as part of a 3-Man Whig leadership team alongside Henry Clay and John C Calhoun and this was in the period where Congress ran the country during a stretch of very week presidents.

Its a little known fact that a civil war almost got started in the 1830s during what we call the "nullification crisis". South Carolina basically decided that it wasnt going to pay any tarriffs and that if the federal government wanted them to then they could send soldiers down there to MAKE them. Tensions were high. Andrew Jackson was largely elected under the assumption that he would repeal the Tarriffs with Calhoun, a native of South Carolina, as his running mate. INSTEAD, Jackson asked for and signed ANOTHER Tariff.

So once again the President and Vice President were openly attacking each other with Webster stuck trying to simply prevent civil war and sell the need for unionism. The Senate had just passed an act allowing Jackson to send the army to South Carolina to enforce the tariff. War looked inevitable.
This didn't happen in a vacuum - the slavery debate looped into this too. So Webster engaged Calhouns dog, Senator Hayne in an open week-long rhetorical debate to try and talk the Senate into a compromise where none looked possible.

The result was a passionate speech about the benefits of union and the dangers of sectarianism that would become the rallying cry of every attempt to avoid a Civil War. He was able to actually win his colleagues and Calhoun over and work began on a compromise tarriff.

And that was that. South Carolina convened to vote to nullify the act authorizing the army to march on them - showing they still maintained the right to flout federal law (which would remain their justification for the right to secede 30 years later) but otherwise accepted the compromise and everyone declared victory.

And that's how you get people to remember you as GOAT Senator.
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Anagram posted...

Trump/Hillary would be amazing

Imagine the president actively trying to get the VP convicted of felonies

You dont have to imagine - this legitimately happened with Jefferson/Burr!
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Emeraldegg posted...

Not exactly a story request, but how exactly did Jefferson end up with a VP that hated his guts? Was the VP inherited back then?

So it was a quirk of the old political system and was the subject of a big part of the Aaron Burr story.

Back then the first place finisher became President and the second place finisher became Vice President. John Adams was a federalist and Thomas Jefferson was a Democratic-Republican and were at odds too. It was intended to be a protection for the minority - the 2nd place finisher still has a say in congress able to directly set the agenda of the Senate and break ties (which there were a lot of back then).

The election of 1800 was the first time that political partys ran "tickets" instead of just having it be a 1 vs 1. Jefferson ran with Burr as his running mate with a selected elector casting a throwaaay vote for James Madison such that the finish would be
1 Jefferson
2 Burr
3 Adams
4 Pinckney

But the person who was supposed to do it flubbed the vote and it was a tie so the Federalist-controlled House had to vote to break the tie. And they strongly preferred Burr to Jefferson so they had planned to vote in Burr. Jefferson mistakenly assumed Burr was behind the plan and took measures to punish and isolate him, which Burr understandably didnt take well.

In order to avoid having that happen again, and apparently dedicated to the idea of having presidential tickets, made it so the electors voted once for President and once for VP instead of selecting their top 2 choices.
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Im more expert on US but if its a story I know well I will tell it.
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Yessir, I am bringing it back after a long long hiatus.

The story I was going to tell when this topic fell apart was the story of the first real impeachment trial in this countrys history against Associate Justice Samuel Chase at the request of @Maniac64

It was technically the third impeachment trial but the first two didnt really involve trials. In the first, a senator was accused of illegally aiding England in stealing territory from Spain, he admitted it, and was voted out of office with no trial.

The second was a judge who kept showing up to work drunk and again, there was really no need for a trial.

Chase was a signee of the Declaration of independence (in the musical 1776 hes the comically fat guy from Maryland). He was also a close political ally of John Adams and George Washington and was named to yhe Supreme Court very early in that institutions history. Once Jefferson became president, Chase was a real thorn in his side rejecting many of his legislative and executive actions as being unconstitutional. So Jefferson, ever the political renegade, decided to trailblaze politically motivated impeachment proceedings and incited his allies in the House to indict Chase on charges of being too politically motivated in an apolitical position.

However there were several wrenches in the plan - for one the Vice President, Aaron Burr was both an expert legal mind and a mortal enemy of Jefferson's. So he constructed the process by which the Senate conducts fair criminal trials and heard evidence for and against the politically motivated charges against Chase and for the good of the entire nation, Chase was ultimately acquitted and kept his post? The winning argument was that justices ought to be above political pressure and that actions like Jeffersons should not become the norm lest the court become and remain a political football. That, alongside the removal of John Adams "midnight judges" that he appointed his last hour as president helped to filly establish the independence of the judiciary.

I think this is a story that is important to remember in the current political climate surrounding the Supreme Court and recognizing how we have always found this to be a bad idea with bad consequences

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FinalistCloud posted...

Paratroopa1 posted...

Also while I will say that Pence not standing for the Korean anthem isn't exactly the same issue as NFL players not standing for the US anthem. boy. the lack of self-awareness is pretty amazing. But I mean we live in a wannabe dictatorship now so I guess that's how it goes

They aren't remotely the same thing. What with Pence not being Korean.... pretty much every guy who kneeled is a citizen of the United States.

Its the optics idiot. If people cared about nuance we wouldnt have a President trump
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But this is Gorbachev going "Maybe i should tear down that wall" and Reagan going "Fuck you anyway Gorbachev"
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A real hipster eddv
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That assumes that you find the entire concept of immigration laws to be morally abhorrent. My position is certain enforcement priorities are but that others are necessary and worth enforcing.

And if your position is that there is no such thing, then you and I are going to have a difficult time finding common ground here
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The point is that SOMEONE would do it either way. Thats what federal law enforcement DOES. It enacts the enforcement policies set by the executive.
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BowserCuffs posted...

These are the same people who defend ICE by saying that "they only go after ILLEGAL immigrants!" when there's mountains of evidence showing that they're going after legal immigrants, including Dreamers who have been a part of the community, supporting it, and paying taxes since the 1980s.

They don't care about logic or consistency, they just want to be right, even when they're wrong.

I work with ICE pretty regularly and their response is pretty much what mine has to be when people complain - law enforcement officials don't get to set the agenda in terms of priorities and we don't get to decide what the law is.

If the top of the pyramid is directing them to go do certain things - that's exactly what they're going to do.

In fact, we cannot really do otherwise.

So I will defend them by saying simply - you want better law enforcement, elect better politicians.
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/09/politics/kfile-north-dakota-senate-candidate-radio-interview/index.html

...sigh

Honestly though his excuses are pretty fuckin' clever, Donald could learn something from him.

Emineth also defended other posts revealed by CNN's KFile, including calling former President Barack Obama a "POS" when sharing an article. Emineth claimed he did not know "POS" was a common acronym for "piece of shit."

"You know what POS stands for in my world? I'm in the grocery business -- point of sale. It's the cash register," Emineth said.

That Barack Obama - what a cash register!
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/tuckercarlson/status/961771256868634630

There are more immigrants in our country right now than any other time. Is the country more united? Stronger? Just the opposite & everyone knows it. Maybe that's bc our elites welcome immigrants by telling them how flawed America is and how bigoted its native population #Tucker

Tucker has the logical mind of an early teenager

That's quite the leap.

Imagine being the kind of peabrain that has to divide everything into us vs them.
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Yeah the tax cut is still a tax cut - people like those.

Consumer confidence indexes are way up thanks to the bitcoin boom too which can only help the president as long as he avoids doing anything too too crazy.

Basically Donald SHOULD have an approval rating in the high 60s
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FFDragon posted...

You know of all the things wrong with Trump, his penchant for repeating the exact same things four or five times in a 30 second block rustles my jimmies the most.

It really does - hes a middle schooler who forgot to do his homework 24/7
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I feel like we did kinda sleepwalk through the period of DPs dominance - the board dying really is what's catching up to us more than anything.
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A good way to put it is this:

I wasnt fond of Bush. I disagreed, sometimes very strongly, with his views.

But on a basic level I knew I could trust him to make the best decisions he was capable of making and that he had my best interests at heart even if I disagreed strongly with his priorities.

Thats just simply not there with Trump. At all. Everyone knows hes mostly just looking out for no. 1.

EDIT: And this is why most presidents divest themselves of their investments and conflicts of interest by the way. It's so when push comes to shove people can believe hes not thinking about how things might effect his baseball team or the university he was on the board of trustees for and instead be focused on whats best for the country. Trump didnt do that and thats something that strongly prevents me from trusting him
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Ultimatum is the most ingenius thing but yeah it does basically boil down to some willing cooperation.
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Ohhh ok that makes more sense.
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Its amazing to think you only had the book for 4 months.
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Maniac64 posted...

Was your group really called the Otaku Jobbers? I remember the feud but not what you guys were called. And that we stayed in the groups while also teammates in WTHJH.

Yup! It was me and Chrono1219 who were both lightweights that couldn't buy a win and both were in b8anime aim chat together.
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Maniac64 posted...

The thing you don't know is that there was much less storyline stuff back then.

It was mostly just title matches decided by the rankings, those people do some promos at each other. Everyone else fights to move up the rankings. Teams form and some people create feuds and gimmicks, but a lot of it was just random matches and rankings based stuff.

Or at least that is how I remember it.

Yeah we really were breaking new ground when we started up the WTHJH and the prior Otaku Jobbers vs Masters of Penguins feuds because nothing like that had really been done prior to that. The Tom era deserves a lot of credit for saving the project from becoming just another UUL.
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I was here just for the very end of Jakyl booking in the Epopmania 2 era.
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Boko I think we did finally let purge.

GTM debuted shortly after Tom took over with a Dolph Ziggle. "Hi, Im GTM" gimmick
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How many of us were actually here for Jakyl booking and then never left?

I think it might just be me, Tom, Football and Maniac?
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Its true - for two people who were pretty much tentpoles of the tag division forever it took us a LONG time to ever actually win anything.

I see myself as sort of the Chris Jericho of this project - I have a lot of really impressive sounding accomplishments on down to "I pinned Boko, Nee and FFD in consecutive matches to be the first undisputed champion" but never had the big long run that you or DP did because i was constantly shifting.
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Of course I lost it immediately from MitB cash-in but oh well.

Which I think i can now safely admit this - I manipulated JeffRaze into cashing in so I could exercise the fact that I had just beaten him to get myself a quick title shot and that ended up being my 2nd world title <_<
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Maniac64 posted...

Haguile revealed to me that it was him running it and that he planned to make a whole Mauraders stable with 3-4 luchadors: Potter, Black, Lupin, and maybe Pettigrew

Wait a minute THATS where that was going?

I assumed it was reference to Sin Cara Negro which was topical WWE at the time and I guarantee thats why people, including me, didnt engage that hard.
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XIII_rocks posted...

Eddv posted...

Honestly probably the Mt Rushmore is XIII, Haguile, Rad Link 5...and someone.

I don't think Haguile should be there because for as amazing as he was, he was done within...months. I don't even think we got the full Haguile for more than a year. RL5 I think we got two years.

Hag and RL5 are two of the most outstandingly creative and fun guys but we never got to see if they could sustain it. I think not being quite as hilarious/imaginative in short bursts, but being very good for 5+ years, is more impressive. So I'd be more willing to put someone like DP in the rushmore.

If it was simply based on raw creativity they would be the first two I would think of though, sure.

I dunno for me personally, ive been chosing the ghost of the Epopmania 3-5 era for the last 5 years and that those were made so great specifically because the userbase was so amazing.

Hell your rise to the admin level was basically my fault. There was a Big Ole Feud brewing for control of the company - Lopen/Semi/Tim who wanted to kill it, Tom/Football/others who wanted to save it. I had been feuding with Tom at the time and put together my own team to try and save the company from the corrupt tom and the invaders.

The Third Rail. It was me and XIII and We teamed up with KP and Haguile and to everyone's shock we beat Tom and then we beat the invaders and then suddenly....it was our show to run. I never imagined XIII would hold onto power. The faction was so dominant that me XIII and Haguile all agreed to start feuding because we had basically killed the project with our dominance. XIII parlayed that into Brand extension and full time GMing.

Like XIII, after my big run on top that culminated in me unifying the titles coming out of brand sep, my big goal was to put people over and I feel I had some real success. Hell, even prior to it, I used my big damn feud with Maniac to put over Chronic.

I teamed with LuigiLorenzo and TLO and Caelus and gave them purpose and direction and helped them find their feet.

I got Sultan his first run as champion by stepping out of the way during the Trifecta era and letting him and eaed shine.

I pretty much always suffer from imposter syndrome even in my private life but looking back at all the stories I was able to tell with all of these different people it was so nice.

I keep hoping @Maniac64 will find the topic and reminisce. I miss him. Our big feuds together spanned the better part of 4 years. XIIIs feuds with me were all great too but you never forget your main rival.

I went away to go do Mercs (its the kind of thing that takes your entire mind and soul as it turns out) and was never able to find a way back in but I have enjoyed my emeritus status lately and will enjoy going out at Epopmania beating the holy hell out of Sultan.
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Oooh tagggg
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ZeroSignal620 posted...

HaRRicH posted...

People who disagree with MM2, MM4, and MM9 being the best three games of all Mega Man games

2 and 9 I can easily see, but 4? 3 outdoes it by miles, IMO

Yeah what the fucK HARRICH
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Sbp was completely amazing and i find it almost impossible go explain the appeal to people who werent here
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Solid snivy cracked me the fuck up
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Emeraldegg posted...

I have a question, who is the greatest performer in UCA of all time?

The kayfabe answer has always been Boko.

The real answer?

Honestly probably the Mt Rushmore is XIII, Haguile, Rad Link 5...and someone.
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I miss the Tecknic tiebreaker rule and am curious where it came from.

For those who dont know the formal process for breaking ties in the HW division for the longest time was "rerun the match, but add Tecknic"
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Yeah I booked you as Mr. Eruption at first just because tou were just generally always ledr unbooked until Eruption happened but then it kinda became a Thing.
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