Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 161: Elephants On Parade

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FFDragon posted...

they can afford to take that 'risk'

because as stated, there is a literal zero percent chance of a follow through

If someone put a gun to your head that you "knew" wouldn't pull the trigger, and they commanded you to do something, how much do you have to be absoltely sure for "literal zero percent"?

Because that is what us attacking Europe would be.

plus congress would tell him to fuck off
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literal zero percent is literal zero percent numbnuts
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Make sure to keep this topic saved for when MWC gets arrested one day and the police start contacting us.
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Like, do you honestly believe that if a country possessing nuclear armaments started throwing their weight around and threatening to USE those armaments, that the rest of the world would just willingly accept the risk of a lunatic state holding the rest of the world hostage? They either nuke America, or assassinate whoever they need to assassinate to get us to back down. We're not as untouchable as you think if we rally the entire globe against us.
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LapisLazuli posted...

FinalistCloud posted...

What the hell do you think they are going to do?

If those events occurred he would be assassinated or we would be nuked first. It would be the death if America either physically or spiritually.

Well. Yeah. It's a hypothetical because obviously someone running on taking over the world would never ever win. He would get assasinated well before he evwr got in office.

But now he did win, he is in office, and he is in a bunker where he can't be assainated by outside countries right now.

What options do UK and Germany have?

I think everyone in this topic needs to stop for five minutes.

Then reread what MWC is posting.

Then think to yourself, "what am I accomplishing by responding to this?"
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Point taken.
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FinalistCloud posted...

Say in 2020 someone runs and his entire campaign is

"One world one America".

omg vlado's ramblings about globalists would finally be warranted
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LapisLazuli posted...

Point taken.

Same. My apologies for goading him. Even though he never answered my question.
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Let it be on record that, for once, SEP tried to stop a stupid troll discussion before it started.
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Man I gotta say MWC's Amerikkka Vs. The World fanfiction doesn't hold a candle to Vlado's stolen Second Civil War fanfiction.
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Not_an_Owl posted...

Man I gotta say MWC's Amerikkka Vs. The World fanfiction doesn't hold a candle to Vlado's stolen Second Civil War fanfiction.

It's much less fleshed out with details, but at least it's much more original.
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https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/961311194270306305

#BREAKING: Israeli police chiefs have decided to recommend indicting PM Benjamin Netanyahu for corruption, Israeli media report https://t.co/U1g0T3359W

This case has been building for quite a while. I don't really talk with any of my Israeli friends from a few years ago any more, but back then they were very pro-Netanyahu. Granted, that might have also been because they lived in Karmiel (northern city), and I'm not sure what role regional politics plays over there.
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Good lord, finally. Dude's been filthy forever, and was proto-Trump to boot.
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So apparently this budget deal would push the deficit up to like 7% of GDP or something (from like 3%), which from what I can tell even some economists who normally don't think the debt is that big of a deal are saying is a bad idea (since we're already near full employment, which is when you least need stimulus)

Guessing it will pass though
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Another rough stock market day.
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Thanks Obama
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The world today

https://twitter.com/CBSBigBrother/status/961642770153619456

.@Omarosa opens up to @helloross about her time in the White House on tonight's Celebrity Big Brother. In the meantime, don't miss a minute of the action on the #BBLF: http://bit.ly/2E8C5aE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bvu4_L-xmM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5368997/Omarosa-America-going-not-okay-Trump.html
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Omarosa may just be playing Ross like a fiddle though telling him what he wants to hear.
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2/8/2018
VOX - Puerto Ricos blackout, the largest in American history, explained

Some 1.36 million Americans are without power right now, and it isnt coming back any time soon. This is a national embarrassment.

Were talking about Puerto Rico. It is still in the throes of the longest and largest blackoutin US history following Hurricane Maria, the Category 4 storm with 150 mph winds and 36 inches of rainfall that toppled 80 percent of the islands power lines and flooded its generators last September.

As of February 7, about 30 percent of utility customers couldnt turn on the lights, refrigerate food, or run water pumps. That translates to 40 percent of the islands population, because customer refers to a power meter, and each meter can represent multiple people living in the same house.

https://www.vox.com/2018/2/8/16986408/puerto-rico-blackout-power-hurricane

Bad new record. =/
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Yeah, the Puerto rico thing is fucked up. It's not just a national embarrassment; the response to Katrina was an embarrassment. This is far beyond that.
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I remember when Corrik was insisting FEMA was doing literally everything humanly possible to help
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The thing I hate most about whatever stupid thing Trump is saying on any given day is that people latch onto that and forget to keep hammering away at the Puerto Rico issue, which remains easily the worst thing that's happened under this administration's watch and is still one of our greatest national embarrassments in a very long time

We shouldn't be talking about anything else until this is taken care of

I feel that way somewhat about the lack of Russia sanctions too

Thats such a ridiculously egregious breach of trust in checks and balances but its fallenout of the media cycle
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And I mean don't get me wrong, the everyday stupid shit that Trump says also needs to be addressed too because we can't allow any of it to become normalized

but it should be like "hey look at this stupid thing Trump said. and now back to our top story for the last several months, Puerto Rico is still fucked"

I kinda roll my eyes at this point when it's stuff like making fun of Trump's dumb hair or whatever, it's kind of passe, the only thing that's good about it is that it probably personally hurts Trump's ego and I'm all for undermining him by pissing him off with juvenile shit but still

I'll give you a hint why no one cares about Puerto Rico.

It's full of brown people.
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Im still not 100% certain that Trump understands that people from there are 100% natural born American citizens
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I guarantee you they don't. They don't even think that democrats living in big cities are Americans!
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Jakyl25 posted...

Im still not 100% certain that Trump understands that people from there are 100% natural born American citizens

I'm sure he understands

He just doesn't care because they can't vote for him
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Jakyl25 posted...

Im still not 100% certain that Trump understands that people from there are 100% natural born American citizens

Only legally, and Trump has 0% regard for the law to begin with, so...
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https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/02/08/arthur-jones-illinois-republican-primary-sot-newday.cnn

I know the GOP has dropped all pretense of having standards

But even still, I cant believe they havent formally denounced this awful man

Maybe they have and I missed it?

Watch this video
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/02/08/arthur-jones-illinois-republican-primary-sot-newday.cnn

I know the GOP has dropped all pretense of having standards

But even still, I cant believe they havent formally denounced this awful man

Maybe they have and I missed it?

Watch this video

They don't bother. It's a nobody running for a seat that's effectively impossible for him to get, so they just don't bother paying attention at all.
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He reminds me of a Steve Brule sketch gone horribly, horribly wrong
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Jakyl25 posted...

I know the GOP has dropped all pretense of having standards

But even still, I cant believe they havent formally denounced this awful man

Maybe they have and I missed it?

Various news stories on google say they have. Hes not a real candidate he just has it because he was unopposed because no one wanted to run for something they couldn't possibly win.
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red13n posted...

Various news stories on google say they have. Hes not a real candidate he just has it because he was unopposed because no one wanted to run for something they couldn't possibly win.

Thats good. Whats the mechanism for running under a party banner that rejects you?
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I imagine the GOP don't want to reject him because it only draws attention to the fact that he exists

Well CNN blew up that plan
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This conversation's got me thinking again about what happens to America in the times we're attacked during the Trump Administration.

I'm counting natural disasters as attacks for this conversation, so let's get hurricanes out of the way. Is there any question Sandy was handled better than Katrina or Maria? I'd like to see some newer comparisons between Katrina and Maria, but it feels like Donald found a way to be less concerned about it than Mr. "George Bush doesn't care about black people" (by the way, all the more odd now knowing Kanye supported Donald.....).

In terms of foreign terrorism, Dubya shot straight to 90% approval ratings after the worst attack in our nation's history. He messed that up over the years, but does anybody think Donald would receive uniform faith and support if a new 9/11 came to hit America? I think we'd hit new record-levels of partisanship.

Domestically, Charlottesville was completely disheartening to see Donald's reactions for...and more rallies have been held since then, and funding for anti-white supremicist groups have been stripped away.

As far as other attacks go, like Jakyl brought up, when is America actually going to do something about Russia's cyber-attacks infiltrating our voting systems? We can get into obstruction of justice too, but I fear that leads to the same issue.

Just...it's upsetting. I don't see where America would come together in our most vulnerable moments under Donald. Where do people learn to trust him in caae of attacks?

Besides Fox.
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A good way to put it is this:

I wasnt fond of Bush. I disagreed, sometimes very strongly, with his views.

But on a basic level I knew I could trust him to make the best decisions he was capable of making and that he had my best interests at heart even if I disagreed strongly with his priorities.

Thats just simply not there with Trump. At all. Everyone knows hes mostly just looking out for no. 1.

EDIT: And this is why most presidents divest themselves of their investments and conflicts of interest by the way. It's so when push comes to shove people can believe hes not thinking about how things might effect his baseball team or the university he was on the board of trustees for and instead be focused on whats best for the country. Trump didnt do that and thats something that strongly prevents me from trusting him
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That trust wasn't there with Bush either for me but Bush was at least a by-the-books neocon. Better the demons you know, and all that.
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Betsy Devos complaining about how hurtful it is to receive criticism - this administration has the thinnest skin.

I agree with eddv, there's zero doubt in my mind that the trump family only wants political power to boost themselves up.
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HaRRicH posted...

Just...it's upsetting. I don't see where America would come together in our most vulnerable moments under Donald. Where do people learn to trust him in caae of attacks?

Realistically? I think right now people don't. People following politics closely are looking towards the house and the senate as largely running the country right now.

And this isn't even really a statement about how much influence Donald has (he has plenty). It's more just noting that he changes his mind a lot, or just doesn't follow through. If you listen to a speech from Donald, he might change his position in a week. Or he'll say he will appoint a council to deal with, say, the opioid crisis and...kind of just forget about it and not follow through. If you listen to or read a statement from Paul Ryan, you can be relatively sure that congress is going to try to do the thing that he says it's going to try to do.
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The problem is that Congress doing the things it says its going to do is pointless if Trump doesnt care.

Like, even if theres enough for a supermajority (Russia sanctions), what good does it do if Trump just wont enforce the will of a unified Congress?
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A unified Congress is pointless considering when push comes to shove the GOP will pick party over country every time (and Trump knows that and thus continues doing whatever the fuck he wants).
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-praises-rob-porter-aide-domestic-abuse-allegations/

"We wish him well," the president said. "He worked very hard. I found out about it recently and I was surprised by it. But we certainly wish him well. It's obviously a tough time for him. He did a very good job when he was in the White House. And we hope he has a wonderful career, and hopefully he will have a great career ahead of him. But it was very sad when we heard about it, and certainly he's also very sad. Now he also as you probably know, he says he's innocent. And I think you have to remember that. He said very strongly yesterday that he's innocent. So you'll have to talk to him about that. But we absolutely wish him well. Did a very good job while he was at the White House."

They have fucking images of blackened eyes and restraining orders!
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Distressing, but expected
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Yeah but we also have a president who has to take his denial as absolute proof because that is also his go to defense.
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You'd think that someone who lies as much as he would be more suspicious of other people also lying
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