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Philosophy video from the Bioneer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaLF8_JPgCA

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It does have more butyric acid, but not an amount anyone is going to notice, unless they're specifically looking for it.

Isn't it weird that Hershey was selling chocolate for decades and no one ever noticed until they started making inroads to the European markets? People imported chocolate before that, people also traveled between Europe and America, and yet no one detected this apparently unmistakable vomit flavour... Until European confectioners started braying it from the mountaintops.

The whole 'tastes like vomit thing' is a lie created by European chocolatiers afraid cheap American chocolates were going to invade their markets.

It's the same trick wine sellers use when tell you their wine tastes of honey, or hickory, or kombucha, or anything that's not bloody grapes. If you go in looking for a flavour, your mind will find the nearest approximation and ascribe it to that.

I was expecting rave reviews for a new Blade movie.

FFXI rocked

ForsakenHermit posted...

But what does Andy Dick have to do with Phil Hartmann's death?

Dick gave Hartmann's wife cocaine at a party, when she was rehabbing a drug problem, and she fell completely off the wagon, escalating until she murdered Hartmann in his sleep and then killed herself.

So, I had a look and I just can't get excited about this.

In many ways.

If you want to start a moral panic, find something more interesting. This ain't it.

I like all of the songs I've heard, but not enough to buy anything.

I like her videos more, those were really interesting. If there were some means of buying the videos, I might consider it.

Touches on the central bank idea, but is mostly about the Olympic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAnMgKAqfi4

That also came up, Freak On A Leash's crazy TRL dominance. But that was more after Nu Metal became pop.

Xenogears15 posted...

But Linkin Park told me that rock and hip hop have been collaboratin' fer years

Well, they didn't lie...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEgHF2T38aY

philsov posted...

I blame Faith.

Limp Bizkit married the two when they covered George Michael.

That comes up.

So the Trash Theory youtube channel released a more indepth follow up to their How Nu Metal Became Nu Metal video.

It's a bit long, but the music clips keep it moving. He brought up some things I didn't know about, like Public Enemy sampling Slayer, and some things I forgot about, like the Judgement Night soundtrack, which was pure genre busting fire at the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUtQMfrhOeM

The earlier video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ltU17V-YXQ

It might be helpful to watch the earlier video first, at the least it's much shorter.

There's also a playlist with many of the songs mentioned or sampled in both videos:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLooaZ33lSalfYA5iieOyW4czkRSviBYHS

MrResetti posted...

Still would be better than anything released by The Knack

Dissing the Knack? You're asking for a smack.

STEROLIZER posted...

Jim wishes he had those dance moves

You think Carrey can't canter?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyPc-1QdzSE

I would have ignored my mom's worries and skipped several grades.

Order in which I noticed things:

Smirk.

Crease.

Serial Numbers.

Lack of security insert lines.

...

Giant ass "FOR MOTION PICTURE PURPOSES" notice.

I tried it for a minute, because is seemed like something kids were supposed to do, but my heart was never really in it.

The World is Gray by Bang Gang

Before you click, take a second and think about what you'd expect a band named 'Bang Gang' to sound like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8X89W6yUUg

I Never Wear White by Suzanne Vega

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp40y8xbjZw

Black Skin Sexuality by Skunk Anansie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E68Xwig2UkQ

From the Edge of the Deep Green Sea by The Cure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31C7HFdRcuw

From what I heard, he sat down on the couch and fell asleep, as you do at times. The defib was still relatively new, so it's not like he had a routine for it.

I Told You I'd Shoot, But You Didn't Believe Me. Why Didn't You Believe Me, Charlie Brown

cuttin_in_farm posted... Bro, what?

Well? Are you a yellow mass of triglycerides? You're not, are you? You're a person with muscle, blood, skin, bones, and also some amount of fat.

What part of this are you not getting?

You're hung up on the adjective form when he was using the noun.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

So why bring up the other things nobody is addressing?

Because what you think it said is not what it said. You're insisting on one meaning, which was clarified in the op to not be that one meaning.

If TC had said you can watch videos on the net, and you said how can you watch videos on a bunch of ropes used to catch fish, who would be in the wrong?

LightningThief posted...

By the same token you've gone over my point. You said people can use a word that in itself is not pejorative, but a malicious actor can use said word to be pejorative. That literally applies to literally any sentence and any word you can think of. Literally. Including the 2 examples you gave. Both example sentences you gave can contextually be used maliciously, including the one you implied/think was nicer.

The point being, context is one of the key foundations of speech. Yet, some most definitely take it upon themselves to do everything in their power to ignore context to warp someones words/sentence to be malicious when contextually it was not.

It's not beneficial to go out of ones way to find a way to be offended or look for reasons for others to be offended while throwing context to the wind so we can look for new ways to be offended.

Because again, no one in this topic is suggesting to walk up to an individual and randomly call them fat or randomly tell them they're fat.

So to answer your question in lesser words, context matters. Neither examples you gave are inherently malicious or more beneficial to choose. Both can contextually be used maliciously.

I think your premise here is flawed.

This isn't mainly in regards to walking randomly up to people and calling them fat, but about being mindful of the casual language used in everyday life. It doesn't work so simply as, "I said this with no intent to cause offense, therefore it does not cause offense, unless the other person deliberately misconstrues my words." The world would be a very different place if that was how it worked.

Neither is inherently malicious, but some people, for reasons ranging from depression, negative self esteem/self image, previous experience, other causes, will read a negative connotation into one, and less so the other.

This is not because they are 'looking to be offended', but simply because that's how their brains work; if something can be seen in a negative light, it will be. That is the context I'm operating in.

More over, this specific topic regards people who are more likely to have body issues. It would seem meet to exercise more care.

The proposed adjustment isn't about not making delicate little flowers not feel bad, or that excess weight isn't a problem, but in altering the lens through which people perceive the world. In much the way poor people using opiates purchased illegally off the street is called a 'crime wave', but rich people using opiates purchased illegally from a pill mill is a 'health crisis'.

Even if you don't see it that way, there are a lot of people who regard one as a moral failing and the other as an unfortunate circumstance.

Cjsdowg wants to move weight problems from the moral failing category to more of the unfortunate circumstance side by de-emphasizing the adjective form and embracing the noun form. By looking past the current state to what circumstances may have brought them to that state, and what might be keeping them there.

And I can't find a way to see that as a bad thing.

LightningThief posted...

You can definitely control what you hear in a sense of twisting someone's words to be something that it isn't. Essentially those ignoring context to act like someone was attacked.

The examples you gave are great examples to that. Taking something as a personal attack =/= it actually was. As there are definitely those who make it their mission to ignore context be a victim no matter what, or find victims no matter what to deflect. Context be damned.

Speaking of context, it needs to be clarified again that no one is advocating of just walking up to people and calling them fat for no reason.

You've kind of gone around my point there.

What is the benefit in saying, "You are fat and unhealthy.", over "You have an excess of fat, and that's unhealthy."?

No wonder she wasn't raptured.

pepper2012 posted...

im not advocating any discrimination of any kind, however saying someone is fat when they are fat is an observation

But you do understand that people also use it in the pejorative? And that even if you mean it as a neutral observation that some people are still going to hear it as a pejorative?

You can only control what you say, not what they hear.

So what is the precise benefit in saying, "You are fat and unhealthy.", over "You have a lot of fat, and that's unhealthy.", when you know there is the possibility the listener may take the first statement as a personal belittlement, and it is more difficult to perceive the second statement the same way?

So I can't remember if it was a movie or an interview or what, but I heard a story.

A guy is talking about when he was in drug rehab. Another guy comes to him and asks, "So what's your problem?" First guy says, "Well, I'm a drug addict." Other guy goes, "No, that's how you tried to medicate your problem. So what's your problem?"

The guy then says reframing addiction from being something he was to an escape from his real problems helped him kick drugs for good.

Reframing fat from something you are to a problem you have can potentially help a lot of people. Maybe you're not among those people. Fine. But what good is it to try and stop people from going down that route?

Chicken posted...

Do americans really believe the hero complex propaganda that their government spoon feeds them? America isnt the worlds peacekeepers, americas meddling in every country ever is the reason we dont have world peace.

Have you seen the police? These are not mutually exclusive propositions.

Garioshi posted...

Not a single American is lonely and exhausted because of these things

Speak for yourself. The world's policeman's lot is not a happy one.

Time to break out the Mega Ultra Dragon Balls.

I gotta eat.

Csjdowg has a greater understanding of how language and practical human psychology work than almost anyone else in this topic.

He got both the sentiment and the method correct. How do you change someone's baseline attitudes?

You change their language.

hockeybabe89 posted...

But if Trump is far worse, then who fucking cares?! Are voters literally that insane that they will flush their own lives down the shitter to own some politicians?

The GOP is holding a gun to our temples and promising to pull the trigger the day they win, and we're considering if it's worth voting? Because the Democrats haven't earned our votes? Who gives a fuck what the Democrats have earned?

Why not do what's better for you because you don't deserve the worst?

And no one will ever give me an answer besides "Well Biden should think about that and start appealing to us" or "Being a doomsayer isn't a great way to motivate people to vote for Biden." I don't give a shit about Biden! I'm not asking about Biden!

It's like these voters can't decide if politics is super important or some irrelevant pissing contest every few years, so they waffle between.

That's your stance.

It's not irrational, and indeed, not far from my own.

It is not everyone's stance. Different people have different priorities.

And in regards to this specific topic, there is, I would say, no benefit to not applying pressure to Biden and the democrats. If you want the democrats to do better, and who doesn't want that, then you have to tell them what you want. If they are slow to respond, you have to apply pressure. What does shutting up and voting for the same old thing get you? Nothing.

Appealing to consequences is not going to get everyone on board. Indeed, everyone it would get on board is already going to be on board. So you're either preaching to the choir, or haranguing people who have already demonstrated that that tact won't work on them.

So it would seem meet to pivot to a different argument, just from a pragmatist view.

hockeybabe89 posted...

A: "Biden! Biden did it! Stop blaming me! We had to teach the Democrats a lesson! They don't just earn my vote by being less shit! I did the right thing!"

Pretty much. Things are going to suck if the Dems can't get it together. Getting the voters into the booth is their only job.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

What specific policies would you like to see from him?

Ending arms sales to Israel would be a good start.

Mystereave posted...

So, if Biden did change stances on Israel, and then ended up losing the election as a result of that (since there IS still a lot of Israel support here, what with things like AIPAC) and Trump ends up making things worse over there, whose fault will it have been?

Wouldn't that be a weird sort of catch-22 situation where Biden trying to do the right thing only made things worse?

That could be, though I think even the most ardent Israel supporters are beginning to see this as excessive, between Iran and the West Bank.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

So the country being objectively worse is the consequence of solely Biden, and not the voters who put Trump there?

Voters can choose to not turn america into a project 2025 hellhole

Or Biden can choose to adopt policies that will get people to turn out for him. Is that not an option?

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

How does not voting for Biden and letting trump win make him better

You're looking at the consequence and calling it the cause.

It is not the voters job to support any candidate no matter what, it's the candidates job to appeal and make voters want to have them in office.

Hillary felt entitled to votes, how'd that work out for her?

It's appalling that people latch on the the bizarro concept of "Ignore our candidate's flaws" rather than "Make our candidate better". You're applying pressure to the wrong end of the equation.

If Biden fails to bring the edge cases into his camp and loses the election, who will be to blame for that?

Spoiler: There's a really big hint in the words, 'Biden fails'.

Never liked it. A friend made me watch quite a lot of it, don't think I laughed once.

I Like These Calm Little Moments Before The Storm, Charlie Brown

By the way, don't know who might be into it, but there's a youtube channel I watch called The Bioneer. It's pretty interesting, and is in line with my ideal form of training... mostly.

https://www.youtube.com/@TheBioneer

I'll post.

Set the timer for my next set, write down what I just lifted, how many reps, my current pulse rate, and gauge my personal effort impression. Then jog in place until the timer goes off.

Damn those people for having principles that don't align with my purposes, yet are not so far off that I can demonize them as direct opposition! They need to join my strict 'us or them' paradigm, so I don't have to think about possible other perspectives! Nuance? Pfeh! Black and white thinking is all you need!

Yoshinoya.

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