Current Events > No matter how much extra weight you have. YOU ARE NOT FAT.

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eggcorn posted...

TC is making a valid point but it seems to have hurt some peoples feelings.

Not really a valid point, and I don't think he's hurting anyone's feeling either.

I get what he's trying to do, but getting it doesn't make it a great way to go about it.

Obese people should not be shamed, but it's not a good thing to also pretend these people aren't overweight or pretend words don't have definitions. Especially when spreading a myth like being fat is permanent, it's not.

cjsdowg posted...

When has calling someone fat not been insult?

Being fat and calling someone fat are different things.

Its just like how if someone passed away, Im not gonna just outright say Your husband is dead to a widow.

What your problem is with is the tact. Not the word.

Fat people know they are fat. But dont claim they are not fat. Obviously being nicer is better. But dont lie. Its patronizing.

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You was clearly talking about your points like recognising yourself as a cope As the funny fatman and hating yourself and your personality from being overweight..
Pleasecan some of these users gain self awareness a little and not fight a point you werent even saying?

Csjdowg has a greater understanding of how language and practical human psychology work than almost anyone else in this topic.

He got both the sentiment and the method correct. How do you change someone's baseline attitudes?

You change their language.

Nah, I'm a fat fuck. Stop trying to normalize an unhealthy lifestyle.

I have become FAT. Destroyer of scales.

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cjsdowg posted...

People want to call others fat so much. I didn't expect that .

Sure you did. The topic wouldn't have been necessary otherwise.

Daremo posted...

You change their language.

Thank you for all of your post.

LordFarquad1312 posted...

Nah, I'm a fat fuck. Stop trying to normalize an unhealthy lifestyle.

Your reply brings to light the exact issue Im addressing. At no point did my original post normalize or trivialize the health concerns associated with carrying excess weight. In fact, I specifically mentioned my involvement in a weight loss topic. However, it seems theres been a misunderstanding that by discouraging the use of the term fat, Im somehow advocating for obesity, which is not the case. This is the kind of dangerous assumption Im cautioning against.

When you label yourself with negative terms, it reinforces harmful stereotypes and beliefs associated with being overweight. You are not just a fat f---. Such self-labeling can be a form of resignation, AKA a cop out. Oh I am a fat f---- so I can't do anything about it. Join us at the Health and Wellness Social , stop calling yourself bad things, and call yourself a warrior because you are going to put the work in.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80727696

This is same shit as the term Latinx except instead of it being a gender neutral term it's for not calling someone fat or skinny

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That's literally exactly what's happening.

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How is cjs lying? They're acknowledging the problem but suggesting we not reduce people to a singular adjective because it can have an adverse effect on their weight loss goals.

LordFarquad1312 posted...

Stop trying to normalize an unhealthy lifestyle.

No one is trying to normalize an unhealthy lifestyle.

TheOtherMike posted...

How is cjs lying? They're acknowledging the problem but suggesting we not reduce people to a singular adjective because it can have an adverse effect on their weight loss goals.

I wasn't aware calling people fat gave them calories, I always thought that was based on the food they consumed?

Aztex posted...

I wasn't aware calling people fat gave them calories

Who said it did?

Choco posted...

No matter how much extra weight you have. YOU ARE NOT AMERICAN. You have American citizenship. American citizenship does not define you; it is not your personality, nor is it an intrinsic part of who you are. Its simply something that you carry with you. If American citizenship were truly a part of your identity, it would imply it is permanent, but thats not the case. You can renounce a citizenship, but you cant renounce what truly makes you, you. So rest assured, you are not American.

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I understand what TC is saying. There is nothing wrong with moving away from derogatory labels. I don't think it is lying to someone by telling them they're overweight or obese while still outlining how unhealthy it is. The message is there and doesn't somehow become clearer by calling the person fat.

TC is right that people automatically hone in on weight to degrade others. Someone could be a terrible person because of their attitude, opinions, actions, etc, but if they're overweight, that's the first thing someone will mention. So, I do get where TC is coming from. Language changes and evolves all the time. It's why health care is also moving away from referring to people as diabetic or schizophrenic, because people are more than an illness.

You're not fat

You're Doritos

Aztex posted...

I wasn't aware calling people fat gave them calories, I always thought that was based on the food they consumed?

Yeah you shouldn't speak on weight issues ever again.

Miquella posted...

I understand what TC is saying. There is nothing wrong with moving away from derogatory labels. I don't think it is lying to someone by telling them they're overweight or obese while still outlining how unhealthy it is. The message is there and doesn't somehow become clearer by calling the person fat.

Bro, TC is not saying Use a nicer term. Hes saying No, you are not fat at all.

cjsdowg posted...

However, I feel its important to share a message for anyone who might need to hear it, and everyone on the board. Whether youre 50, 100, or 300 pounds overweight, please remember: You are not fat. You have fat. Fat does not define you; it is not your personality, nor is it an intrinsic part of who you are.

If he was saying the former, there would be little pushback. Ffs.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

Bro, TC is not saying Use a nicer term. Hes saying No, you are not fat at all.

I literally said they are carrying fat. Those pounds are still there, they didn't go away. But they are not who the person are.

cjsdowg posted...

I literally said they are carrying fat.

You also said you are not fat.

Make it make sense.

Again, you dont an issue with the word fat. You want people to be tactful.

But thats not what the op says.

In a topic about language, you can surely admit your language could have been better.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

You also said you are not fat.

Make it make sense.

If someone has an STD. Do you say they have an this illness , or do you say they are this illness.

i have a hard time understanding what op is saying sometimes, but this one is pretty simple and a lot of yall are being obtuse because you just like making fun of people and dont want to just admit it

Not trying to sound mean but that's delusional.

If you are 50 lbs overweight you are fat plain and simple.

If you are 100 lbs overweight you are obese

300 lbs you are super morbidly obese

The best fat people own up to being fat without making excuses or blaming other people or things completely within their control like what foods they put in their body, how much they excercise and many calories they burn daily.

Always making excuses and never holding yourself accountable is pathetic.

cjsdowg posted...

If someone has an STD. Do you say they have an this illness , or do you say they are this illness.

You are confusing language logic with intent. Well, you would be, if this wasn't a put-on.

cjsdowg posted...

If someone has an STD. Do you say they have an this illness , or do you say they are this illness.

Illness I use possessive language.

Physical traits, I do not.

But as someone else mentioned, its not 100%.

Someone can have diabetes or be diabetic. Its the same thing.

cjsdowg posted...

When you label yourself with negative terms, it reinforces harmful stereotypes and beliefs associated with being overweight. You are not just a fat f---. Such self-labeling can be a form of resignation, AKA a cop out. Oh I am a fat f---- so I can't do anything about it. Join us at the Health and Wellness Social , stop calling yourself bad things, and call yourself a warrior because you are going to put the work in.

Words have definitions.

Should we stop calling an addict an addict?
Should we stop calling an alcoholic an alcoholic?
There's so many negative labels that definitively describe people as it has a definition.

We agree those people shouldn't be made fun of. The only stereotypes being reinforced here is if on top of being what you are, you are also not trying to improve on those problem or worse doing things that adding to the problem.

What isn't helpful is pretending they aren't the definition of the very word, as some form of denial or bargaining with the facts

LightningThief posted...

Should we stop calling an addict an addict?
Should we stop calling an alcoholic an alcoholic?

As matter of fact some psychologist to believe that we should not use those terms.

Research finds when people use the terms addict or alcoholic, it often invokes a negative attitude toward the person, not the behavior.
A person with an addiction is likely to feel like they are losing control, yet only 1 in 10 reach out for help.
Shame and stigma stem from the labels placed upon people.

And one thing that I have talked about here..

It creates helplessness. It can lead to negative self-talk, such as: If Im an addict, then Ill always be an addict. Helplessness keeps people turning to alcohol or substances, even though they know these things are bad for them because there dont seem to be better options. However, if that individual sees themselves as "someone with an addiction," then they may also envision themselves as "someone without an addiction."

https://tinyurl.com/247zd6yz

Psychology Today link.

LightningThief posted...

Should we stop calling an addict an addict?
Should we stop calling an alcoholic an alcoholic?
There's so many negative labels that definitively describe people as it has a definition.

Should we call mentally ill people crazy?
Should we call people failures when they have objectively failed at something?

LightningThief posted...

Words have definitions.

Should we stop calling an addict an addict?
Should we stop calling an alcoholic an alcoholic?
There's so many negative labels that definitively describe people as it has a definition.

We agree those people shouldn't be made fun of. The only stereotypes being reinforced here is if on top of being what you are, you are also not trying to improve on those problem or worse doing things that adding to the problem.

What isn't helpful is pretending they aren't the definition of the very word, as some form of denial or bargaining with the facts

I don't refer to people as "addicts" or "alcoholics." I find it demeaning and stigmatizing to label people as such even if those words are adjectives in our language. It's not hard to refer to someone as struggling with addiction or alcoholism. We don't have to reduce people to labels.

I get what youre trying to do. I too, make a lot of people upset because they think Im saying something Im not. In 40 years of trying to understand why I just upset someone with the truth, I have realized that they just need you to use the right reference, in order to get what youre really trying to say. I believe that what you are trying to say is that fat is like Piccolos weighted training clothes. Its not part of him, and can be discarded before battle making him faster and stronger.
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I tipped into the 190s like 4-5 years ago after having a mini-stroke. Felt terrible. Back to around 145 rn and Im really happy about that.

as a fat person

I'm fat. I'm not as active as I should be. I eat horribly, drink soda/pop and used to drink empty calories because I am an alcoholic (sober now)

I am working on the self discipline not to eat my feelings, and get back into better shape that I used to be.

hockeybabe89 posted...

Should we call mentally ill people crazy?
Should we call people failures when they have objectively failed at something?

Some mentally ill people are crazy and I have no problem calling them as such. But one thing needs to be made clear, all mentally ill people aren't crazy, so no to your question. Charles Whitman or Hitler however I have no problem calling crazy. But again, not all mentally ill people are crazy, so no your generalization question doesn't fit.

Same to your failure analogy. Failing at a particular objective is not the same thing as being a failure of a human being. Also being a failure of a human being isn't exactly agreed upon with a set definition so, again, no. What one calls a failure of a human being, another might not.

Both of those things are not comparable to a person who is by definition, obese.

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I'll take your refusal to answer the question to mean that you can't. Ironic that you want to talk about intentionally misrepresenting what people said when you read the topic title, then ignore the post and the context it provides.

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Again, no one is pretending the issue isn't there. No one is lying to anyone about the problems they're facing, and you still haven't answered the question of how they are.

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You (and others) are saying cjs is "lying" to people with excess weight, and have been doing so for going on 90 posts. There is literally no other way to interpret this other than you people are getting butthurt that someone said we shouldn't reduce people to a singular negative adjective.

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In the context that was laid out in the op, yes they are wrong in that they are more than just their weight. People who are overweight can misunderstand context just like anyone else.

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Come on really, you are going with that. When clearly in the post made it clear I was carrying to much weight. You are going to hang your hat on that.

cjsdowg posted...

Come on really, you are going with that. When clearly in the post made it clear I was carrying to much weight. You are going to hang your hat on that.

Indeed lol

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And we have already established that I am speaking about carrying more then normal amount of a fat. Besides men telling you that point blank, the context to of post made that clear. You seem to be like the person troll at this point to act like you missed that.

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And you still refuse to explain how that's "lying to people about the problems they're facing."

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I've read every post itt. None of them explain what I've repeatedly asked you to explain.

Yea, no, at a certain point you are in fact fat, wherever or not that defines you is on you. So sayeth a dude whos gone from terrific shape to a definitely more round, out of breath while playing with kid shape in recent years. Man Im glad my doctor isnt like TC. Instead of being like lose some weight if you care about your child you fat piece of shit (ok he didnt say fat piece of shit but it was in his eyes) hed be like dont worry youre not fat, have a fucking lifetime supply of insulin, a shortened lifetime, but dont worry about it, it doesnt define you

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No, you refuse to (or rather, are incapable of) explain how "you have fat, but it doesn't define you in the sense that you are [singular derogatory adjective]" is a lie. You are deliberately misrepresenting what has been said from your first post itt.

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Bro, I never once touched on the tangent of "everyone has fat, therefore it's ok to call people with excess fat 'fat'" one way or the other. But now that you mention it, yeah that was some obvious context that you deliberately ignored.

I remember a time when CJ wasn't a weird troll. Did his account get compromised or something?

Yazarogi posted...

I remember a time when CJ wasn't a weird troll. Did his account get compromised or something?

How am I a weird troll for using ideas that literal psychologist use. There is science on my side.

https://whyy.org/articles/dont-call-people-addicts-penn-researchers-say/

Whether you carry weight or are fat.... it's still on your body, inside your skin suit. WTF is there to argue here?

damn, y'all hear about that new variant of the fat going around?

TheOtherMike posted...

No, you refuse to (or rather, are incapable of) explain how "you have fat, but it doesn't define you in the sense that you are [singular derogatory adjective]" is a lie. You are deliberately misrepresenting what has been said from your first post itt.

I can see why that would be confused, but that hasn't been Hypno's prerogative. That isn't what he's been arguing against. It's the explicit word usage of "fat people aren't fat" that tc was saying, that's the lie. At no point has hypno said that "having fat defines you".

Fat people are fat. TC is trolling by getting people to confuse simple word logic with intent and meaning.

fat people are fat =/= "defines you in the sense that you are [singular derogatory adjective]"

Like you have to have skipped, or weakly skimmed, a lot of hypno's posts to come to the conclusion you're at.