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hockeybabe89 posted...

But if Trump is far worse, then who fucking cares?! Are voters literally that insane that they will flush their own lives down the shitter to own some politicians?

The GOP is holding a gun to our temples and promising to pull the trigger the day they win, and we're considering if it's worth voting? Because the Democrats haven't earned our votes? Who gives a fuck what the Democrats have earned?

Why not do what's better for you because you don't deserve the worst?

And no one will ever give me an answer besides "Well Biden should think about that and start appealing to us" or "Being a doomsayer isn't a great way to motivate people to vote for Biden." I don't give a shit about Biden! I'm not asking about Biden!

It's like these voters can't decide if politics is super important or some irrelevant pissing contest every few years, so they waffle between.

That's your stance.

It's not irrational, and indeed, not far from my own.

It is not everyone's stance. Different people have different priorities.

And in regards to this specific topic, there is, I would say, no benefit to not applying pressure to Biden and the democrats. If you want the democrats to do better, and who doesn't want that, then you have to tell them what you want. If they are slow to respond, you have to apply pressure. What does shutting up and voting for the same old thing get you? Nothing.

Appealing to consequences is not going to get everyone on board. Indeed, everyone it would get on board is already going to be on board. So you're either preaching to the choir, or haranguing people who have already demonstrated that that tact won't work on them.

So it would seem meet to pivot to a different argument, just from a pragmatist view.