Lurker > CyricZ

And I'm not saying the US Smash community shouldn't be taking the brunt of this by sheer numbers alone.

Just TC comin' in and being like "oh those guys have nothing to do with us" comes across reeeeeal thin with the Mr. Wizard controversy and EVO being completely cancelled over it.

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CyricZ

Teenman posted...

But it would be if a minimum wage worker or middle class worker couldnt find a job.

Then you're going to have to give some examples at least to prove that someone at that level who was fired for being racist was never able to find a job again.

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CyricZ

Is there any evidence that these people are not being allowed to grow and find a new way to contribute to society after their initial punishment?

Remember that there are a lot of ways to contribute that don't make the person public, obvious, powerful, and influential. Take your old pal Cyric, here. Most of you guys don't even know what I do, yet I do it and contribute to society.

The punishment may be that powerful and influential people who have been brought down don't get to be that again, and I ask you, is that too harsh?

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Choco posted...

what are you implying here? that the fgc knew about this shit? so you accuse the fgc of knowing about it but not reporting anything to the police

This is an amazing point actually.

And I gotta say TC, the fact that you've just kinda dropped "and Mr. Wizard" like he was some kind of extra nobody is one hell of an undersell.

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CyricZ

For a while at least.

FGC as a whole is taking some big hits, and it can't be said these weren't deserved.

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CyricZ

Teenman posted...

Education is key, starting with people as children is probably your best bet.

And this sounds like an argument that adults should be given up on because they'll probably never change.

We can't make these people go back to their youth and relearn their formative years. Of course doing better with the next generation is key, but we still have to reconcile with the matter of dealing with this generation. If you think "my solution" isn't good, then by all means come up with a better one.

And I use quotes because it isn't my solution. It's a societal solution. It's the one in place now, and I sure as hell didn't come up with it.

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CyricZ

Teenman posted...

if you say so. Your solution doesnt work, otherwise we wont see firings basically everyday on the news and social media. The racists already understand the possible consequences but keep doing as they always have anyway.

This sounds like an argument stating that clearly they're not being punished severely enough.

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CyricZ

Teenman posted...

Dont negotiate, educate. Racism should be treated the same as sexual harassment to an extent.

Every job I've been involved with for the past twenty years has had strict education with regards to racism, sexism, and many other forms of discrimination.

Employers absolutely set the standard of what must be followed to continue working for them. Those who do not follow that standard do so willfully, usually confident that they won't be disciplined.

So I guess you could say yeah, it isn't my job. It's the employer's job. Joe Public off the street is not the one responsible for banging on a business' window and yelling "HEY! JUST WANTED TO CALMLY TALK TO YOU FOR A BIT ABOUT THE RACIST THING YOU DO SO YOU'LL BE BETTER!" You report that shit to the supervisor, and they decide where to take it.

Also there is an embarrassing amount of evidence that shows that racists don't get less racist through gentle conversation. They change via real consequence. Joe Public is not someone to give that real consequence, but an employer is.

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CyricZ

C

Multiple.

EDIT: All consensual of course.

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CyricZ

Teenman posted...

The problem with firing people over racism is the definition keeps changing.

I disagree. The definition of racism hasn't changed all that significantly. What has changed is society's ability to see it, perceive it, and react to it. Not to mention the will to do the same.

In the past, employers simply didn't have the will to fire people over racist things they saw within their company, unless it was overt, public, and/or actually directly harmed someone. They could totally have done so if they wanted to, but it wasn't something that typically impacted business unless it fell under those categories.

Now they do, and it largely relies on society being more aware of it.

Teenman posted...

At this point, we are just creating angry people that feel ostracized. This will just cause more racism and eventually someone or multiple someones are going to start shooting up workplaces.

I refuse to let assholes be assholes under the fear that they'll become worse. That is essentially negotiating with terrorists.

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CyricZ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpPP8hyqZLM

Back when trailers were indistinguishable from shitposts.

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CyricZ

Tenlaar posted...

Are you under the impression that I just think racists should be protected from poverty but other people should suffer?

Hardly. Clearly your baseline is you don't want people to suffer in poverty, yet the question is how much are you willing to forgive for people to avoid being ground under the gears of the US capitalism machine?

Granted your initial argument does go into fantastical people who want others to actually be destitute for being racist, something I probably should have asked you to back up from the start.

By and large, what people really want out of racists is for them to not be in positions of power and influence.

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CyricZ

Tenlaar posted...

Did you think that you were making some kind of point here?

If your end goal is "I don't want people to live in poverty", then I hope I can see you on the ground hawking for universal income and social reform preventing people from being destitute and preventing people being punished for not being able to meet some kind of income level of survival.

Start there. Once goals there are achieved and "people losing their job" doesn't mean the end of their capacity for life, then I'm sure you'll be more okay with racists being fired.

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CyricZ

Tenlaar posted...

I don't believe that anybody in this country should have to live in poverty

Then you've got a lot more work to do than preventing racists from being fired.

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CyricZ

TheRealDill2020 posted...

We have racists here? I guess they get modded quickly so I never see their posts.

They tend to get modded quickly. Problem is they come back with new accounts.

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CyricZ

Wuhan posted...

Im against racism but

lllllooooolllll

Happy 4th everyone!

Wuhan posted...

the idea that you can only have a job if you believe a certain way is a dangerous precedent

Speech, yo. Speech. Not belief. Not thought. All examples thus far have been people speaking out loud. To another person.

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CyricZ

SJWFaqs posted...

Because I value people having the ability to have independent thoughts

Because you think people should get a mulligan on racist statements if there's only one other person in the room. This is the thing you're defending.

Both Sterling and Hogan said what they said to another person. No one's digging into their brains to pull things out. These words were said. Out loud.

And the only "misfortune" that befell them was the other person had the foresight to record the conversation.

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CyricZ

SJWFaqs posted...

There's no law that says people HAVE to like everybody.

Oh you're a treasure.

There's also no law that says employers must keep racists employed.

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CyricZ

Country was founded on racism.

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CyricZ

WashYourHands posted...

It will spike in other areas than where the protests occurred bc sooner or later the protesters go back to their hometowns.

Is this meant to imply that protesters have been residing in other states for the last month?

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CyricZ

Simon_Petrikov posted...

I need to watch more of her post-NC content...

This is a hell of an understatement.

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CyricZ

Because Mr. Wizard put on his hat and robe.

Hell, you can go on EVO's twitter and see this:

https://twitter.com/EVO/status/1278859734099963904

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CyricZ

Annihilated posted...

They literally saved the neighborhood from destruction and all the neighbors can do is whine about it.

Saved nothing. The protesters did the exact thing they were planning to do. They went to the mayor's house and protested outside it for hours.

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CyricZ

Expected Jacob Curnow.

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CyricZ

V-E-G-Y- posted...

She's da most important one doe

I can't argue against this.

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CyricZ

Hexenherz posted...

When the pandemic first started breaking out some of them switched to like a drive through model in Portland (or... at least one did).

How... convenient?

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CyricZ

I've read the topic title.

I've read the post.

I've read the article.

I'm still flipping confused.

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CyricZ

V-E-G-Y- posted...

Why did you break up with mox?

Wasn't mox bro. There are other Asians in the world.

Half asian half mexican? Holy fuck dats a great combo, i knew one of dose mixes in HS and she was gorgeous

No half-Mexican half-white via Great Britain/France

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CyricZ

ChrisTaka posted...

There was literally a topic here a couple days ago with proof that masks do have an influence

There's a topic going on right now that's doing that and Patty_Fleur posted in it.

I was gonna say "contributed to it", but that seemed disingenuous.

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CyricZ

Patty_Fleur posted...

I want it stopped. Not reduced. I guarantee in a few weeks, you're going to have people who took all precautions still getting sick. The mask is no end all be all.

We need to just lock every non essential inside.

We are literally combating our own federal government on this issue. Tell them, not us.

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CyricZ

I had one but we broke up.

Woman I'm dating now is half Mexican. Where does that fall?

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CyricZ

There are some exceptions, such as for children under age 10 and people with certain medical conditions. Masks are also not required during activities including swimming, eating in a restaurant and exercising outdoors while maintaining distance from non-household members.

So pretty much just like everywhere else.

ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted...

They didn't even make us wear them everywhere he in Germany.

Only in stores and public transportation and stuff. Restaurants when you aren't at the table.
Outdoors is pretty extreme.

I believe the applicable term at this point is "no half measures".

Especially when we can't rely on our federal government to organize properly on this.

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CyricZ

Oh hai Denny

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RadiantAdolin posted...

No, we definitely do know protestors didn't cause a spike.

Inaccurate. What we have is no evidence that protesters caused a spike. It's a fair assumption that they didn't cause a spike, but that's the best we can do at the moment.

We haven't proved the negative. We just haven't found proof of the positive.

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CyricZ

BudDupree48 posted...

Its common knowledge that we don't know shit about the virus and that 14 day incubation period might have been true then but who says its true now?

We are learning more about the virus every day with people working their asses off to get this information, so you can cram your "we don't know shit" comment directly where the sun don't shine.

im not going to listen to how people think the protests have zero effect on the widespread of this virus.

Not a single person in this topic has said this, despite what you and others are claiming.

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CyricZ

Antifar posted...

"There's no evidence to suggest significant spikes resulting from protests" vs "of course there was, it's obvious!"

Hey don't forget the follow-up of "Stop saying the protests caused zero cases", a thing that no one is doing.

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CyricZ

So arguments for protests spiking case numbers are as follows:

1. What if people are lying.
2. What if people are just shit.

BudDupree48 posted...

Pretty sure protests fall under that category but hey I'm not a scientists and neither are you

I'm a scientist and...

BudDupree48 posted...

The data says the new york is doing very well right now. Guess what is about to happen... big infection like everyone else

Knowing what we know about COVID's incubation period, if there was going to be a spike of cases following the protests, the spike would have happened by now. The maximum time of symptom onset of the illness is 14 days and protests started at the beginning of June, a full month ago. Those numbers don't favor your argument.

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CyricZ

AlephZero posted...

The science is pretty clear, Coronavirus doesn't target people with the correct political affiliations.

I know you meant this as a crack, but honestly it does put into stark portrayal the philosophies and the ideals behind the American political affiliations.

Caring for others versus caring only for oneself.

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CyricZ

Patty_Fleur posted...

I dont know why you think you can pick choose what's significant.

Says the poster doing this exact thing.

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CyricZ

Patty_Fleur posted...

They can both be true. Is that so hard for yall to fucking accept? Or yall want live in some fantasy land?

I feel like I just dealt with this topic on 261 yesterday.

Some chap decided that protests were the real problem, people called him out, then he got super indignant and barricaded behind "you just think there are zero cases how could you" and it became really sad.

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CyricZ

Never a bad time to drop this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lTczPEG8iI

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CyricZ

scorpion41 posted...

Contact Tracer: Have you attended any mass gatherings in your area, including protests?

Person lying: No I have not...I think I got it from the gym/store/other business.

Study results: Protests arent causing any of the Covid spikes...

CyricZ posted...

Well I guess you can deny any science if you just assume everyone is lying.

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CyricZ

Well I know one thing.

I'm not brave enough to call out DarkRoast with regards to her profession.

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CyricZ

Patty_Fleur posted...

Because one person can lead to many infected

True.

any situation before the spikes helped cause the current spikes.

False.

You have to perform tracking and contact tracing to determine the spread. From there you can draw conclusions about what specifically caused the spread.

By your logic I could claim that you going out to get groceries last week helped spike the cases.

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CyricZ

There's a penis joke somewhere for people who consider a proportionally small increase "a spike".

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CyricZ