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TopicThe many problems that encompass depression as a diagnosis for scientific study
COVxy
12/31/18 11:52:55 AM
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TopicThe many problems that encompass depression as a diagnosis for scientific study
COVxy
12/31/18 8:57:20 AM
#1
(And are analogous in other psychiatric disorders)

https://twitter.com/EikoFried/status/935098850439847937

It's a really good thread. One of the primary reasons why psychiatry hasn't made much progress and why drug treatment has been so ineffective is the bad diagnostic criteria.
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TopicShould poor people be allowed to vote?
COVxy
12/30/18 9:51:04 PM
#26
Hatred of poor people is a pretty unsavory gimmick, broseph.
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TopicAnyone watch/play that Bandersnatch Netflix thing?
COVxy
12/29/18 6:18:19 PM
#12
Idk, I haven't quite figured it out. On the surface, it was an okay but super shallow episode. I have a feeling that there's more to it though.

I did, however, like that the choices were built to create the same sense of futility that the main character was feeling.
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TopicControversial treatment transfuses blood from teenages to reverse aging process.
COVxy
12/29/18 5:09:58 PM
#55
NeonOctopus posted...
LightHawKnight posted...
Rich people have been trying this for years now, why is this suddenly news?

This. This has been going on for a while now. Why the fuck is everyone surprised? >_>


I mean, it sounds like ridiculous science fiction shit, so i can understand the response. But it's actually not so crazy when you realize there's a prior literature for it.
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TopicControversial treatment transfuses blood from teenages to reverse aging process.
COVxy
12/29/18 8:49:44 AM
#53
tote_all posted...
@COVxy posted...
I mean, there's good science behind the idea.


lmfao

Can you post the "good science"?


https://www.nature.com/articles/nature10357
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature03260
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22226359/
https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3569

These are just the ones I read for a class once, I'm sure there's a larger literature out there.
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TopicCOVxy I need your help!
COVxy
12/28/18 3:02:30 PM
#2
If it's through the scientific method, then it's psychology, if it's introspection, then it's philosophy.

Idk, most of psychology doesn't quite probe conscious thought in that sense though.
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TopicDid anyone see Holmes and Watson?
COVxy
12/27/18 9:43:41 PM
#18
I think this type of parody would work with comedians like Abbot and Costello. Like, intelligently being stupid, rather than stupidly being stupid.
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Topicnyc in the sky what the hell is going on?
COVxy
12/27/18 9:28:02 PM
#15
Apparently a fire knocked out a transformer in astoria or something.
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TopicTheres a video of Kevin Spacey assaulting the busboy.
COVxy
12/27/18 2:49:28 PM
#16
This incident being reported seems more loose than the Aziz story. In the Aziz story, there were direct "no" statements. In this one, there's no indication that the dude told him he didn't want the attention, even accepted drinks and continued hanging out with him after clear indications that he was interested sexually. The whole celebrity status makes it complicated and potentially coercive, but if this is the rope to hang him, it seems awfully thin.

Idk, I'm not necessarily defending the actions, it's inappropriate to hit on anyone just trying to do their job, but almost seems like people are being more harsh here because the encounter was of a homosexual nature.
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TopicIs psychology really a useless degree?
COVxy
12/27/18 2:17:55 PM
#102
Atralis posted...
Its always been common knowledge in psychology that many prominent theories of the past have ended up being nonsense (Think Freud)


Essentially Psychology resembles very little of what it looked like prior to the 1950's, as aside from the psychophysicist's of the late 1800's and the uprising of behaviorism in the early 1900's, it was back when psychology was much more like philosophy than anything else. Using anything prior as an example is kinda silly.

It is true that formal theory is something that is lacking is psychology, in the same way it is lacking in biology. This is changing, but it's slow. This isn't to say that psychology is resting on poor legs. I have very little doubt in my mind that the large majority of core results in cognitive psychology will replicate every time. Hell, with most of these experiments, you can perform a single experiment on yourself and get pretty robust results (we did this in my cognitive psychology class in undergrad, 9/10 experiments I had data collected from myself that were robust in the same direction as the results from the literature). A visual search of a single feature will always be robustly faster than a visual search for a conjunction feature. Conjunction search will always scale with number of items while single feature search will not. In fact, if you look at the replication efforts, it's easy to predict what results will replicate and what won't. Psychologists predict this better than the public, but even the public is good at this.

There's been a culture in science, and particularly within social psychology, to push flashy unexpected results. And it should be no surprise that if a scientific result surprises anyone it is unlikely to replicate. So a culture of biased publishing, selective reporting, and p-hacking descended upon social psychology in particular. But this isn't uniform across psychology, and it exists across all subdomains of science, more in some than others, but all fall prey to these biased incentives.
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TopicIs psychology really a useless degree?
COVxy
12/27/18 12:05:50 PM
#96
Atralis posted...
This is the big issue with psychology.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/03/psychologys-replication-crisis-cant-be-wished-away/472272/
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/aug/27/study-delivers-bleak-verdict-on-validity-of-psychology-experiment-results

In the investigation, a whopping 75% of the social psychology experiments were not replicated, meaning that the originally reported findings vanished when other scientists repeated the experiments. Half of the cognitive psychology studies failed the same test. Details are published in the journal Science.

Even when scientists could replicate original findings, the sizes of the effects they found were on average half as big as reported first time around.


A lot of psychology basically amounts to pseudoscience. Psychologists apply something resembling the scientific method to data that they collect from experiments involving people and write up a paper sounding as confident as they can in some conclusion when ultimately in the vast majority of cases it is complete nonsense.


The replication crisis extends across all scientific domains, not just psychology. Psychology is just the field at the forefront of trying to understand it and make changes to the scientific culture to ensure better practices.
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TopicIs psychology really a useless degree?
COVxy
12/27/18 11:49:01 AM
#93
Conflict posted...
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Y'all really fed this guy hardcore huh


Regardless as to whether he's trolling or not, there are dozens of people reading his posts and agreeing.
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TopicThe original HIMYM ending is perfect. I'm not wrong.
COVxy
12/27/18 11:18:30 AM
#20
YookaLaylee posted...
COVxy posted...
It was pretty clear that they didn't have the balls to stick with the original plan and just said fuck it, let's break up that marriage we spent an entire season building up just so that Ted has her available and we can just stick Ted with Robin like spineless pussies.

Whatre you talking about? It was obvious from the very first episode of the last season that they were going to kill off the mother


Yeah, no, i mean break up Barnie and Robin.
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TopicThe original HIMYM ending is perfect. I'm not wrong.
COVxy
12/27/18 11:16:21 AM
#17
It was pretty clear that they didn't have the balls to stick with the original plan and just said fuck it, let's break up that marriage we spent an entire season building up just so that Ted has her available and we can just stick Ted with Robin like spineless pussies.
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TopicIs psychology really a useless degree?
COVxy
12/27/18 10:27:36 AM
#83
SterlingM posted...
So what I think you're trying to say is the brain takes input and the output is our senses.


No, I didn't say that lol.
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TopicIs psychology really a useless degree?
COVxy
12/27/18 9:33:40 AM
#80
I think you're just trolling at this point, but I'll make one more point.

If you do not understand the link between input stimuli and output action, it's very easy to get lost in the trees. With a complex system like the brain, with many dynamic pieces performing many actions, it's incredibly hard to see the bigger picture. Understanding the input output relationships allows for grounding, for dynamically linked computations across the brain to make sense when grounded on the known input-output conversion.
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TopicIs psychology really a useless degree?
COVxy
12/27/18 9:14:06 AM
#77
SterlingM posted...
Yes its given definitions to things we all intuitively know

But it can't get inside the brain, so why pretend we'll need it when neuroscience is fully developed


You don't intuitively know it. Many properties of these phenomenon counter normal intuition. People just think they know how people work.

You can think of psychology in the abstract, which might help you understand the goals and purposes of it. You have general input, stimuli, and you have output, behavior. By systematically manipulating the input and examining what happens to the output, you can get an idea as to what that blackbox function is doing. This is essentially David Marr's algorithmic level of abstraction.

Neuroscientists care about how the brain does these things, how it implements those computations, that's essentially at David Marr' implementation level of abstraction.

See, both are important levels to study. While they can get at similar questions, and the end run for neuroscientists is to understand how these computations are necessarily constrained by the brain's architecture, both level of analysis are important and are often asking very different questions.
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TopicIs psychology really a useless degree?
COVxy
12/27/18 9:02:23 AM
#72
SterlingM posted...
and what has psychology contributed


You realize this is a silly question right? I'm not going to summarize the psychological literature for you. One because i don't really have the expertise for that (though, nor does any one psychologist), two because that's a silly waste of my time.

Psychology has shown, empirically, the properties of memory encoding, memory recall, attention, visual perception, etc...
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TopicIs psychology really a useless degree?
COVxy
12/27/18 8:57:32 AM
#70
SterlingM posted...
oh what is science about?


Almost entirely incremental knowledge gain.
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TopicIs psychology really a useless degree?
COVxy
12/27/18 8:46:17 AM
#68
'Breakthrough'? You misunderstand science in general.
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TopicIs psychology really a useless degree?
COVxy
12/27/18 8:42:39 AM
#66
SterlingM posted...
i'd love to be proven wrong, psychology hasn't done that


If you've read a single journal article on psychology I would be surprised.
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TopicIs psychology really a useless degree?
COVxy
12/27/18 8:32:25 AM
#64
SterlingM posted...
I didn't say that was recent, I just haven't seen any evidence to the contrary and that blog highlighted some "research"

Seems like people wanna hold on to it for some reason when we will be moving past it


Why do you feel so confident waving off a field you know nothing about?
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TopicControversial treatment transfuses blood from teenages to reverse aging process.
COVxy
12/27/18 7:51:27 AM
#33
Tyranthraxus posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
If it works, then whatever I guess

It doesn't. This is just old people with too much money willing to try literally anything


Seems to work in rodents, across many different preparations.
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TopicIs psychology really a useless degree?
COVxy
12/27/18 7:38:49 AM
#62
SterlingM posted...
I'm sure psychology has been overlapping neurology more recently

https://scienceblogs.com/cognitivedaily/2007/04/04/ask-a-scienceblogger-do-we-rea

i'm not convinced we are gonna need psychology once neuroscience is further developed


Which is a different (still wrong though) argument from the one you just made ("psychology is conventional wisdom not science").
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TopicIs psychology really a useless degree?
COVxy
12/26/18 6:17:22 PM
#53
g980 posted...
how would you compare a bachelors in psych to a bachelors in mathematics?

Youre not going to be doing pure math without a grad degree either, but the perception seems different


Perception and selection bias.

Not the smartest most motivated students are drawn to the psych degree, tbh.
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TopicIs psychology really a useless degree?
COVxy
12/26/18 5:54:19 PM
#51
rikasa posted...
SchoolForAnts posted...
Are there any jobs that require a bachelors degree, without mattering in what? Or even a masters degree, but no matter in what??

Yeah, but if people stopped paying for useless degrees like Psych BA then those jobs wouldn't require a bachelor's degree


I mean, students really shouldn't be entering college without any goal in mind.
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TopicIs psychology really a useless degree?
COVxy
12/26/18 3:24:23 PM
#44
No.
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TopicSociety has become too medicated : Antidepressants, antianxiety, painkillers
COVxy
12/26/18 2:00:19 PM
#9
Anti-psychiatric medication stances are extremely detrimental to society. Think whatever you may, but keep your bullshit to yourself.
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TopicIs psychology really a useless degree?
COVxy
12/26/18 9:01:28 AM
#27
SchoolForAnts posted...
I really feel we live in a fucked up system when a bachelors degree is NOT an adequate qualification for work in a specific field. Sure, you may not be anyones first choice, but at least you should be able to earn a living with said degree, or else the system is just a fucking joke.


I mean, different fields require different amount of training. You wouldn't want there to be untrained doctors out there, just as you wouldn't want untrained clinical psychologists.

Then, any other path in psychology is identical to any other path in the sciences, in terms of amount of training.
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TopicIs psychology really a useless degree?
COVxy
12/25/18 10:27:39 PM
#18
SchoolForAnts posted...
Pitlord_Special posted...
I have a BS in psychology (as my second degree, primary degree is in biochemistry earned concurrently) and dont even bother mentioning it most of the time

You need a PhD or a PsyD to have a legitimate practice


What is the difference between PhD and PsyD?


A clinical psych PhD has a large research component and requires a dissertation while the PsyD has no research and requires no dissertation.

Important to note that clinical psych PhDs are the only psych PhDs that can practice or have any focus on therapy at all.
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TopicIs psychology really a useless degree?
COVxy
12/25/18 7:45:27 PM
#11
SterlingM posted...
yes since its gonna be supplanted by neurology

its gonna be like astronomy and astrology


As a neuroscientist, or at least one in training, with a psych degree, naw.
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TopicTinder date ended poorly all because I told her that psych is a useless degree
COVxy
12/25/18 7:42:54 PM
#53
karlpilkington4 posted...
I'm still on the fence on whether this date even happened.


Lmao, of course it didn't.
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TopicWhy do people get history degrees?
COVxy
12/25/18 2:00:42 PM
#76
rikasa posted...
The days of paying for college to follow your passion are done. You can get every single ounce of information you'd learn from college online or in a book when it comes to a subject like History. Don't encourage that shit, you're just freely advertising a highly exploitative industry. Go to college to learn how to do an in-demand job.


That never has been the purpose of academia, and the push to make it so is extremely detrimental to the culture of academia.
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TopicControversial treatment transfuses blood from teenages to reverse aging process.
COVxy
12/24/18 11:29:40 PM
#9
MrMallard posted...
This is fucked up. Literally feeding on our youth.

Then again, if the pay is good, slap my arm and tie a rubber hose around it! Though I would probably want to donate blood for medical use afterwards, as penance for contributing to what is essentially capitalist pseudoscience. I'm giving some old, rich prick my blood so they get to feel a fleeting sense of youth, I should open my veins to someone who actually fucking needs it.


I mean, there's good science behind the idea.
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TopicDirector Kyle Newman Says Most of Hollywood Hates The Last Jedi; critics scared.
COVxy
12/24/18 3:36:00 PM
#97
BruceWayneJr posted...
This Disney shit does nothing for me, but I'm grateful for TLJ because it brought me and the last girl I was with closer together. She liked TFA, I didn't, and we clashed over the direction of the franchise. After TLJ, she knew exactly what I was talking about and asked me to please show her some real Star Wars.


I laughed and cringed and felt bad all at the same time. Pretty much the saddest display of a fake story I've ever seen. I bet you made love to her all night long after that, right?
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TopicDon't believe anyone who tells you that ''SJWs'' are a legitimate problem.
COVxy
12/24/18 3:22:37 PM
#66
AdviceMan posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
Just looking at his name it seems like a month ago he announced that he was launching another tour in the early part of next year, and still has been running smaller shows recently. And the tour next year is all major venues and major cities. And Netflix said they're willing to go ahead when he's ready for another season of Master of None, it was Aziz's decision to put the show on hold.

So I mean, it doesn't seem like his career is ruined at all


That's great. But you are aware that his "comeback" tour is a complete and utter result of the fact that he laid low for an extensive period of time for the outrage to die down. Yes, it was his decision, and it most certainly was a wise one.

But it would be disingenuous to pretend like his career did not take a hit, people weren't calling for him to not be renewed by Netflix, or he was not affected significantly by any of this. I suppose I should take partial blame for setting this up as an all or nothing game. I picked Aziz in particular because he's one of the few people involved in MeToo where the consensus was split rather than mostly against him.


Consensus was split because there was a conversation that needed to be had. The sheer amount of men coming out pretending like pressuring women into sex is just part of the game should have made that clear.
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TopicIntegrative Medicine is the new bullshit woo
COVxy
12/24/18 3:18:37 PM
#27
If medicine were 100% science doctors probably wouldn't do much at all. That's not to say woo-woo bullshit should be tolerated, but I think people need to understand that medicine is just as much art as applied science.
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TopicSwitch sounds like a downgrade if you list what it's missing
COVxy
12/24/18 10:12:17 AM
#37
CapnMuffin posted...
For server side gaming it might not matter but games like Smash use player side for connection and wired makes a difference.


I'd complain about that then, no dedicated servers is a crapshoot for online gaming regardless.
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TopicSwitch sounds like a downgrade if you list what it's missing
COVxy
12/24/18 10:08:04 AM
#33
Irony posted...
COVxy posted...
I think the last time I worried about running on WiFi rather than ethernet was 2009.

Idk why anyone would willingly use ethernet these days, tbh, except for intranets.

Because ethernet is factually faster and more stable. This will never change.


Is the bus really the bottleneck here? For gaming?

For file transfer, absolutely. But for gaming? Idk, i have single digit ping on my universities wifi.

Probably has more to do with, back in the day at least, the unreliability of the tech. If people are having a hard time gaming online with the switch, my guess is that it would be more likely due to the way the servers are hosted.
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TopicSwitch sounds like a downgrade if you list what it's missing
COVxy
12/24/18 9:29:48 AM
#24
I think the last time I worried about running on WiFi rather than ethernet was 2009.

Idk why anyone would willingly use ethernet these days, tbh, except for intranets.
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TopicDirector Kyle Newman Says Most of Hollywood Hates The Last Jedi; critics scared.
COVxy
12/24/18 9:07:14 AM
#34
It's the SJWs behind this!
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Topicpeople are such morons when it comes to science
COVxy
12/24/18 8:24:33 AM
#73
DarkRoast posted...
COVxy posted...
DarkRoast posted...
Nobody waved it off jfc


Either you were arguing that it's unimportant because inheritance is debatable, or you didn't wave it off. One or the other, not both. Choose one.


Do you even know what the word significance means?


No technical definition in this sense, so in the normal, importance.
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Topicpeople are such morons when it comes to science
COVxy
12/24/18 8:11:24 AM
#71
DarkRoast posted...
Nobody waved it off jfc


Either you were arguing that it's unimportant because inheritance is debatable, or you didn't wave it off. One or the other, not both. Choose one.
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Topicpeople are such morons when it comes to science
COVxy
12/24/18 8:06:27 AM
#69
Kineth posted...
It's a salient point to say that methylation isn't as bad as genetic mutations and shifting bases, etc. etc. If your issue is that you thought it was being completely dismissive, I can understand that, but you've gotta understand that methylation of DNA happens regularly.


The point is that it happens regularly. Gene methylation mediates a lot of normal biological function, and therefore changes in it can lead to a lot of changes to normal functioning. I'm not over here arguing one is "worse" than the other (highly context dependent, as both can simply part of normal functioning). Just that waving off observed changes in methylation is silly.
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Topicpeople are such morons when it comes to science
COVxy
12/24/18 7:46:37 AM
#66
DarkRoast posted...
COVxy posted...
Changes in methylation are biologically important, full stop. It's silly to wave off changes in methylation. That's the point I was making.


And I said the effects of inherited epigenetic changes on offspring are debatable, and provided a source. Not exactly sure why that caused drama.


You either misread the OP and doubled down on it, or are just being silly.

Based on the OP, this wouldn't haven't very much direct relation to inheritance of epigenetic effects. It certainly could, but that would be a stupid fucking reading of it because inheritance of epigenetic changes is rare at best, with no evidence in humans.

The OP makes it clear that changes were observed in the children, not the parents. If it said "gene changes in parents potentially leading to harm in offspring" your comment would have been reasonable.
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Topicpeople are such morons when it comes to science
COVxy
12/24/18 7:39:56 AM
#64
Changes in methylation are biologically important, full stop. It's silly to wave off changes in methylation. That's the point I was making.
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Topicpeople are such morons when it comes to science
COVxy
12/24/18 7:14:26 AM
#62
Kineth posted...
COVxy posted...
DarkRoast posted...
If this is related to methylation and not mutation rate, the actual significance is debatable.


This is pretty fucking stupid coming from an MD. I was writing up a response but couldn't even finish.


It's actually a salient point.


You bumped a dead topic to comment on a post while ignoring all the subsequent discussion on said post?
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TopicWhen you meet someone and they start saying "Problematic"
COVxy
12/23/18 2:03:43 PM
#2
This topic is bad and you should feel bad.
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