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I'm still working on my 100% clear. Watched 3, 4, 7, and went back to 1. Going in order to save 6 (hopefully the best) for last.

How do people who have finished feel about it? So far I'm still feeling a bit underwhelmed, but I still enjoy listening to the man talk.

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plasmabeam posted...

Going to start Devil Survivor Overclocked (3DS) soon.

What difficulty should I play? Normal or Easy?

I don't play many SRPGs, but for what it's worth, I beat Fire Emblem Awakening and Conquest on Hard.

Also not a SRPG guy but from what I remember it's comparable to Persona's difficulty. Mostly fine, you will occasionally get owned by RNG or a bad team comp, and there are some big difficulty spikes on certain bosses.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

It's slightly annoying since you would not expect a skill like Fire 2 to just become completely irrelevant. With the exception of level 1 cure spells, I can't thank of any other example of an ability just becoming straight up irrelevant when it didn't use to be earlier on in the process.

I can! They're all from Black Mage.

Edit: Okay it's just Blizz 2 now but Freeze also used to be trash. It's extremely good now.

EDIT2: and Blizzard 1 which I genuinely forgot existed lmao. Technically not useless but you never WANT to be using it.

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BLM aoe is complete unintuitive nonsense, really hoping the Endwalker skills change that.

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

That said, it was absolutely fucking stupid for him to even go out there in the first place. But I think that he's just guilty of being an idiot, not of being some wannabe vigilante. I feel like people's minds are made up about that though, so I'm not going to bother convincing anyone after this.

I mean you can be an idiot and still get sucked into an alt-right vortex is the thing. If someone's so stupid that you end up on the same side as the Proud Boys and end up killing people, why should I have sympathy for them? Maybe he learns from the experience and gets his shit together instead of sliding further down the white supremacist rabbit hole. I'm not hopeful, but maybe! But I also...don't care.

I found myself truly not caring about the trial or verdict. I wasn't exactly rooting for him to go to jail, because I do that for very few people and I didn't have any expectations he would. The fact of the matter is that the flawed US criminal justice system is not the end-all-be-all of moral judgments. This case in particular had so many technicalities that reasonable self-defense was almost assured. But you can't extricate that from the surrounding circumstances which are definitely fucked up. Regardless if Rittenhouse is personally justified or not, it doesn't change that there are still groups gathering with arms for the purpose of escalating to violence with protestors. That's just facts. The systemic issues at play here are bigger than this one case, and it's not something the legal system is even equipped to deal with.

All this I guess to say no, you didn't change my mind. Your writeups did convince me the legal system is even more of a joke though because from everything you said the trial sounded like a total shitshow.

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Yeah as I said in the other topic, fflogs is mostly a dick-measuring competition and anyone who takes it THAT seriously is going to a special level of hell. One of those ironic punishment type deals, where the only game they're allowed to play is 1.0.

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Dels posted...

Still, I was assuming RDM was always a step behind, so I did learn something today.

Oh for sure, RDM has come a long way since it was basically considered the prog-only caster

Dels posted...

Also, maybe a dumb question, but I don't delve into fflogs stats much, are these stats "over a range of 2 weeks" and "standard comps 5.5", meaning it is only taking data from people who are doing no-echo pulls right now in the last 2 weeks? That's a very different data sample than the general playerbase during the release of a tier, if so.

Correct, this is basically gonna be the most optimized runs possible by the most hardcore people still playing (or people who resubbed early in anticipation for Endwalker lmao)

edit2: also I just realized this is a new player topic and not the main one so feel free to ignore literally all of this as fflogs's primary function is comparing genital size

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It's optimizing mana generation, I think, combined with RNG procs. But the actual optimization you can control is pretty hard. Also, if the entire party is super optimized, you're getting more rDPS so it's gains on gains.

That said, I don't think 99th percentile is what you should be looking at for a general sense of high level play. 90 and 95th percentile show Red Mage exactly where you'd expect. And that's still the best of the best. 99th percentile is like...hyper-optimized teams farming the shit out of fights to get perfect runs, down to having good crit RNG.

And I say this as someone with a 99 parse on E12S-2. It's literally just a baseline of good play + crit RNG lol

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I mean very few people actually do those anyways. The joke when I started playing is that glamour was the true endgame (you used to have to be level 50 to unlock glam). It's still true though! The only rewards from raiding that don't deteriorate in value are the dyable clothes and the mount, so grinding for the amaro is basically an equally valid use of time.


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Xiahou Shake posted...

This used to be a serious issue for me but (at least in my experience) if you can just force yourself to start playing anything while also telling yourself it's okay to play other things, the flood gates burst open pretty quick.

Oh yeah this too.

The Action Button discord had an event a few weeks back called "Murder Your Backlog" that I did with some friends. You pick 3 games in your library, play each one for approximately 20 minutes, and based on that write a short review or haiku (these are Tim Rogers fans we're talking about here). Super helpful mental icebreaker that also helps you determine how much you actually want to play a game or not. Gotta have no issue with dropping a game.

I ended up beating a very short game, returning to the second the next day to finish it, and the third...okay the third is still in backlog limbo because it was just on the fence of being interesting or not. But it helped!

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

At 77 with Monk.

This is neat but I am just about at my limit with these positionals, lol.

Finally getting my Amaro tomorrow!

Bro this is crazy, I've played since 2015 and don't even have everything to 50 lol. Congrats!

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Yep

One thing that's helped me this past year is mentally organizing a small list of games I truly want to focus on and then sticking to it. There were so many releases this year and so I sorted them into high priority vs wishlist for later and generally did a good job of sticking with it. Limiting myself to choosing between 3-5 games breaks whatever choice paralysis I have.

Just don't do something stupid like downloading Genshin Impact on a whim while you wait for a big release. Live service games fuck me up.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I dont think Georgia is cloneable.

I think its a unique state in the sense that while its a Southern state, its arguably the birthplace of civil rights while also a huge state for media/arts/culture, so its far more blue than the results of its elections (until recently).

I think most red states are more blue than the results of their elections but I do agree Georgia has unique reasons for being the closest.

I mean part of why I am so adamant that Dems suck strategically is that I live in Texas and directly saw the 2018 vs the 2020 elections. It's really clear there's a lot of structural and strategic issues with the party here, plus it doesn't help when Republicans control the state government and warp the election itself. Not to say all red states are as flippable as Georgia, but there's a model for improvement there that involves not getting smashed in local races.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Yes, and it is why progress is naturally slow. Because over time people go "huh, this is kind of stupid we've been doing this forever guess we can stop and be a little bit better."

But it takes decades. And then I realize if I was a young man around the time of the revolutionary war I'd likely never know any country but one that enslaved people.

Like, I am not going to be around in 2100. And worrying about the slow progress of history is going to find me my grave sooner rather than later.

Progress is slow in the long view of history. In the short term it's often sudden, violent, and not guaranteed to be good. I'm more worried about that sort of early grave, considering we are witnessing the rise of an American fascist movement and all. I'm just tired.

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Suprak the Stud posted...

"They failed to win the stupid vote because they didn't capitulate on LGBTQ rights or social justice" is ok with me though. People deserve republicans then. "This group that stormed the capital and yelled JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US while carrying tiki torches are closer to my cultural values because sometimes the other side is mean to me on Twitter" well if people believe that than the US is lost anyway. You can say Dems are out of touch or are bad at branding themselves, but people believe what they want to believe. If Republicans have behaved the way they have behaved and said the things they said, and now democrats are going to lose votes because CRT is SCARY because "WE DON'T KNOW WHY BUT FOX NEWS SAID SO" then I don't think its worth our time trying to convince them otherwise. Enjoy your family and hobbies and try to get through the pendulum shift back to the right.

And yes the last five to six years have left me a very cynical bitter man, why do you ask?

I'm talking about that it sounds like he ran an awkward campaign during an off-year and pissed off some people he shouldn't have. According to the thread, his attacks didn't land and he fumbled the messaging on education. And like...yeah. I agree that none of these CRT-fearing teacher union haters have a good enough grasp on education policy to be making the decisions on it. But if you're trying to get them to vote for you, you probably shouldn't tell them that...?

Frankly, I DON'T think people deserve republicans, that's why I can't get over shit like this. Democracy is dying and this is the best defence we can muster.

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https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457787561003212807?t=iqudTB96FZv8Wpj-iJ0Oqw&s=19
https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457785356821032967?t=f_e66p9G4wPXdnJw4lRJfQ&s=19
https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457777007131983876?t=ucIZDmlgz2equJokShmBmA&s=19

Again, as dumb as this stuff is, it also clearly shows that they think Dems are out of touch. It doesn't really matter how stupid you think the voters are - this is the exact suburban swing voter demographic that Democrats are trying to win and they failed. Dems want the stupid vote!

And Rock is right about the school thing. We went with such a half-assed measure that it's no wonder no one was happy with it.

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Inviso posted...

1. I think there's been scientific studies that show Democratic voters are not susceptible to propaganda in the same way that Republican voters are. If it was possible to build a highly effective propaganda machine, it would exist and would have worked by now (for example, the failed left-wing talk radio stations.)
2. I think the problem is that there are two elections that Democrats need to worry about at any point. Yes, it sucks that when it comes to general elections, Dems messaging sucks and is uninspiring. However, in the primary, the majority of voters want the lie that the Democrats are going work with the Republicans (because the GOP ISN'T some suicidal cult that hates everything the Dems stand for) and be bipartisan and fair and moderate to get things done. The majority of Democratic voters want the party to NOT be the left-wing equivalent of the GOP. They don't want an extreme swing to the left, and they want to believe (misguidedly) that GOP voters are decent people at heart, and shouldn't be completely shut out of political discussions (in part because they don't like it when the GOP takes control and does exactly that to the Democrats).

Ok, but these points just lead me back to what I don't understand about the defeatist mindset.

If the goal is to stop the GOP from attaining power, but Dems can't win by playing fair OR playing dirty, what's the point of the party? What value are we assigning to Democrats and democracy this way?

Maybe this comes across as cynical, but Democrats merely being corrupt and incompetent is less depressing to me than them being helplessly doomed.

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KamikazePotato posted...

Democrats are bad at advertising, but it's also significantly easier to advertise to Republicans. They barely even had to do anything to get people worked up about CRT. Fox News has already spent decades laying the groundwork for easy indoctrination.

Right, the Democrats not building their own highly effective propaganda machine is a tactical error.

red13n posted...

Democrats have to ground their advertising in facts.

All politicians lie to voters all the time. We should at least demand lies that actually win elections! No part of our political system is pure. If Dems can't win playing clean and aren't allowed to play as dirty as their opponents what's even the point?

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Suprak the Stud posted...

I think we're basically saying the same thing, except you are more optimistic on the nature of people than I am. I think that, no matter what the dems do, they lose here just because of the stupid nature of politics in the US and Americans in general. I agree it is a tactical failure, but not in the sense that it is causing them to lose seats which I think is inevitable just based on the cyclical nature of US politics. The tactical failure is not doing the greatest good they can because, no matter what they do, they're going to lose seats so they might as well do whatever they want.

Yeah I'd say I'm less optimistic about people and more about democracy in a broad sense? In a specific sense hell no, I have little faith in the future of US democracy. But that's largely because Dems suck. From my perspective if you truly believe there's nothing Dems can do to avoid losing, democracy is already dead. I don't think we are there yet, and I think some things can still be saved, but the Democratic Party's refusal to do so and other tactical failures are just slowing the bleeding. We'll get there soon though.

Basically, if it's true that people are selfish then it's utterly laughable how bad the Dems are at utilizing that for their own gain.

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Suprak the Stud posted...

Democratic strategists are less than useless but you're also giving voters too much credit. Exit polls in Virginia had education as a top concern and those voters broke republican by something like eight points. CRT is a nice dog whistle to scare all the racist suburban voters back into the booth. These culture war issues are dumb to us but "the way of life you knew is changing and only we can save it" works really well on boomers. Virginia also did a bunch of good stuff in the past two years and still got crushed.

That isn't to say Democrats should do more. But it's more of a "do everything you can because you're going to lose anyway" imo.

I won't speak for Tony but to me that's the point. All this "culture war" stuff isn't strategically dumb if it works. There's this tendency to discount that or separate it out from "real" politics when it very much still is real politics. Like that video that was going around of a reporter making fun of the old dude who didn't know what CRT was. The GOP is winning votes by doubling down on racism, and that's a problem! I don't think that's giving voters too much credit as much as acknowledging the GOP knows how to work an audience.

And the second part being is that the take you tend to see among liberal pundits and analysts is for Dems to focus on policy, which like you say doesn't always work. Less so when they don't deliver policy. The difference is I don't think this is insurmountable as much as it is a tactical failure by Dems.

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Yeah, based on what you're saying I would say to give Red Mage a shot.

One thing I'll point out is that both RDM and DNC have abilities that briefly increase their speed, similar to Hypercharge on MCH. BUT they're still better because MCH makes you weave, which is alternating 2 button presses every 1.5 seconds instead of 1 press. RDM's is also a consistent combo every time, while DNC has you do a semi-random Simon Says mini game. Just so you know.

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Thunder Manifestation is just a rough fight. I found it totally manageable at earlier WLs but now that I'm WL7 and need to grind it for Raiden's last ascension it's kicking my ass in a way the other bosses don't. It feels way too tanky for all the teleporting it does and running around you have to do.

In the meantime I've been building up the rest of my team. I got C2 Diona from the wanderlust banner so I got her to 70/80. Finally having a good shielder should help me out a lot and makes me feel like a god when doing Ahzdaha co-op. I think my next character to focus on is Yanfei so I need it. Soon it will be time to unleash the explosion lawyer...

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Machinist along with Bard and Ninja have some of the highest APM in the game, so basically any DPS outside of those are going to improve your experience on that front

Here, this is a year old but should remain relatively similar with the exception of MNK and SMN which will be changing dramatically one way or the other in a month



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I never played Apocalypse but IV is a great game. It's dragged down by being on a handheld but it has a lot of improvements over Nocturne despite that one being a stronger overall package. I'm hoping 5 combines the best aspects of both, and from what I'm seeing in some of these reviews, it sounds like it does.

SMT2 also absolutely slaps. It holds up better than you'd think for a SNES JRPG. Part of this is due to Nocturne also lacking a bunch of QOL and so 2 compares a bit more favorably, but I would still recommend playing the fan translation. The aesthetic is impeccable and it's got the coolest lore in the series. I would kill for a modern remake of this game, it truly deserves it.

Strange Journey is quasi-mainline because it was considered to be before IV was released. It's a bit more exhausting due to the Etrian Odyssey-esque nature but it's still worth playing especially if you love the dungeon crawler aspect.

Part of what is great about the series (and Megaten as a whole) is the variety. Each of these games is excelling at different things and there's a chance you can find different stuff you like in each. Even SMT1 is doing some unique things even if it's ultimately outclassed by every other game. SMTV sounds like it's going to be the best entry point yet but like SMT4 I don't expect it to obsolete the others, so we will probably get similar differences in opinion.

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Yakuza 7 has a free upgrade and you should be able to find the PS4 version cheaper than the PS5 one

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Accel_R8 posted...

SMT is great but its very much a "skip the cutscenes" sort of RPG

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Are gathering leaves really better than collectibles? Collectable turn-ins are so god damn strong, the only part that's an issue is when you are struggling to get geared right after 50.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

I'm not interested in constantly looking over at the ailments list to see where I'm at.

You can decouple the ailments from the enemy's bar (I put it right above my buffs) but yeah it's still not ideal because I only care about my dots...and trick...and chain. At that point it's a very specific series of asks to fix

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It was pointed out to me that one very good thing about the release delay is the Savage release timing changing. Savage typically launches 4 weeks after real launch (not early access), which would have put it the same week as Christmas, which is completely insane. Now it's launching Jan 4th, which is...much better. Progging raids during the holiday season sucks.

Speaking of which...I might as well ask in here. My old raid group appears to have disbanded over the break and my raid leader has been unresponsive and mains New World or something now, so I'm lacking a group if nothing changes. If anyone on Aether needs a phys ranged for the new tier, I'm available, apparently! I'm also willing to go caster as I have BLM/RDM raid experience but BRD is love, BRD is life.

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swordz9 posted...

Guess Im headed to Seirai, but I think the quests there are time gated too

Yes but it's only 4 days from what I hear. Also, I started the first quest yesterday, lifted the fog, but did not complete the quest, and the fog is still gone today. It looks like this



I think I might just try to leave it half-complete until I know where the event wants me to go, since there's more event quests dropping in the next three days and I don't know if I'll have time to explore the island.

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swordz9 posted...

How do I go about Tsurumi Island anyways? Do I gotta clear Seirai first? All I know is theres mist almost everywhere and no quests here yet as far as I can tell

Yeah it's the quest that unlocks after you do all the Seirai ones. The good news is you don't have to do all of Tsurumi's quests to get rid of most of the fog. I'm only partway through the first one and I can get to most of the island, hopefully that's good enough for the event.

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Well, Moonlight Merriment only needed completion of the Liyue story, which isn't too bad. I think this one might be the worst gate yet because not only do you have the normal Inazuma gate, but you have to do Seirai Stormchasers, another big exploration-heavy questline, to unlock the Tsurumi one.

I know part of it is deliberate to incentivize players to get to endgame quickly for the limited events, but I'm hoping that it stops being quite as bad once we get out of Inazuma. As a new-ish player having events and character upgrades locked to a place I can't even walk to sucked.

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Yeah I just started the Tsurumi quest yesterday and am not done with the fog either. Whoops!

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

After watching tons of new players stream. This game, I think the hype and urge to get to Shadowbringers and the general cooled down response to 4.0 has led to the unfortunate side effect of the Stormblood patch content outside the MSQ being skipped by a LOOOOOOT of people. I actually can't think of a single streamer who did Ivalice or the trials as they went through it.

Honestly this is the correct move. I would never tell someone to do all that crap before Shadowbringers. 4 Lords feels like filler and the fights aren't even that good (Suzaku is the best, but duty finder hates it), and the best part of its story is Alphinaud buying a sword. The Ivalice raids are great (but again, duty finder hates and is Not Good at them) but the writing is some of the worst in the entire game. Omega really is the only 4.x postgame content I'd suggest to do before moving on. It's easy, has cool fanservice, and ties directly into Shadowbringers lore

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The real issue of inventory management is the crafter's dilemma: what if the new recipes use old mats??? (they always do, but which ones will be worth keeping is a more mysterious question)

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azuarc posted...

Oceanid is a reasonably easy fight...unless you have a team that can't hit the jerk birds.

I made do with Raiden skill/burst plus charge attacks. It's less the difficulty and more all the downtime making it take forever. Plus

Luis_Sera89 posted...

The power of water is it's ability to take on any shape.

Luis_Sera89 posted...

The power of water is it's ability to take on any shape.

Luis_Sera89 posted...

The power of water is it's ability to take on any shape.

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um excuse you he releases biyearly book and music reccomendations

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The only thing I have left that I could do is finish the Bozja story. I stopped after the second big dungeon, before the second open world area. And I hear the story is...not good, so I feel no pressure to do it now while I have other games to get out of the way before SMT5 and Endwalker ruin my life further.

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JonThePenguin posted...

Rolling through 5.4 today. Probably going to try to do some raid story catchup this weekend; my wife will be out of town so I'll have some extra time available. Haven't decided which one to do first though. Still need to do all of Omega and Eden, the second and third parts of Ivalice, all of Void Ark, and haven't even started the Nier quest chain. Oh, and Coil T9 and beyond. Almost forgot about that.

Highly recommend doing Eden. Coil is also highly recommended but T9 is a pain to do solo, try getting a buddy (or 2, or 3) to help avoid the headache. Omega is neat. The 24-mans are whatever unless you're a big FFT or Nier/Drakengard fan. Don't feel bad about skipping them for now because they're a time sink. However, they do have some cool bosses, glam, and cosmetics.

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Finally got Tartaglia to 80/90 and Xingqiu to 70/80.

No offense to Barbara and my non-existent Mona but I don't want to fight Oceanid ever again.

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Mac Arrowny posted...

I still think it's reasonable to expect a comparison to previous games in a series in a review of the newest game in the series.

Sure, then read those reviews

You can't expect every review to be from the same perspective

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Strife2 posted...

It's more the fact they even said it at all, as if they never played an SMT game (or Persona game), and thought, "THIS IS FINE!" Besides, 4 and 4A have pretty decent characters and plot for as dungeon crawl heavy they are compared to Persona anyway. So is stuff like Soul Hackers. Which someone who played them would have probably understood and...fact checked first. Even more so that the line is the last thing they see on their OFFICIAL TWEET! I mean...that is pretty much asking for people to beat you with sticks. Said in the body of a buried review, I doubt anyone would notice. The review would look stupid, but not a complete own goal.

SMTV is meant to be an entry point to the series. So is SMTIV. So is Nocturne HD! Atlus markets these games by counting on Persona to open the door to the rest of the games, so the perspective of a reviewer who has never played an SMT title before is not going to stop being relevant until the series gains a similar amount of traction. The fanbase is extra pissy about this because Atlus themselves treats Persona as the "main" Megaten series, but the fans basically just refuse to admit it. The other spinoff series are rare now, but even the ones we do get (like Devil Survivor and SMT#FE) are clearly taking cues from Persona instead.

anyways, give me raidou 3 atlus you motherfuckers

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Of course there's nothing wrong with it. There's not even anything wrong with docking points for it. It's just that it's not what the series is about, it's unlikely to change, and as colliding is saying there is zero reason to be surprised or indignant that people have different viewpoints.

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Reg posted...

This, right here, is why I would like to see a Persona 6 either make all party member links auto-advance or do away with them entirely. Definite flaw of the series.

The auto-advance links are also pretty weak. 3 again has the right idea here by simply having hard stops in certain links until you have progressed far enough in the story. I can't remember if P5 does this with party members, but I know that Sojiro's did and was all the better for it.

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AxemRedRanger posted...

Maybe SMT just needs better plot and characters to go along with everything else it offers then.

No, because the plot and characters have clear goals and generally accomplish them. It's just those goals are not what everyone wants from a JRPG. But it is what they need.

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I have not replayed 4 in ages but I have a pretty low opinion of most of the party member links in that one since besides a few they felt redundant. 5 at least solved that problem by having them be mostly unrelated to the character introduction, although they aren't all winners. Meanwhile 5 easily takes non-party links, so I gotta hand it to 5.

3 is weird but including P3P nudges it above 4.

5 > P3+P > 4 > 3FES

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colliding posted...

IGN's comment about it being "persona without the heart" is getting it ratio'd

Yeah I know SMT vs Persona reviews is a meme but phrased another way this is totally accurate (SMT is Persona, but heartless). Persona is a series about making friends, mainline is a series about (spoilers if you have not played a single SMT game) killing your friends.

It's tiring to have to relitigate this once every decade when get a new mainline title, but people coming from the spinoffs do need to know up front the strength of these games isn't plot and characters but atmosphere, themes, and the gritty RPG mechanics. And this isn't even specific to Megaten as a franchise. It's abnormal compared to...most popular JRPGs.

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Not_an_Owl posted...

I will freely admit EW DRK is basically the same job as it is in ShB, but you cannot tell me with a straight face that StB and EW are identical. Their rotation, resource management, and overall flow are significantly different.

And you press Edge of Darkness way, way, way less often than you used to press Dark Arts, so much so that I would say if you're "spamming" Edge you're playing the job wrong. At its core DRK is a resource management job, focused around saving MP and gauge for raid buff windows, dumping everything, and then storing up again for the next raid buff window. Realistically you're pressing Edge 4 times per minute (3 and 5 in alternating minutes if you're min/maxing in a raid environment). If you pressed Dark Arts at that rate you'd overcap MP like crazy.

You're not wrong but I don't know what to tell you other than the overall design philosophy has been the same since Stormblood. At its core DRK has been managing meter, managing MP with a flexible oGCD (regardless of how many times per minute you hit the button), and TBN.

I'm really not trying to discredit you but to explain why the general perception is the way it is. You obviously know what you're talking about. My experience with DRK is playing casually in dungeons and trials - compared to how it was when it was introduced, the job feels basically the same to me now as it did in 4.0. This casual perception is obviously going to dominate conversation. My friend who has mained the job since Heavensward and raided on it is giving it up because the progressive streamlining of it and the tank role have removed the things he liked about it in 3.x. Shadowbringers did not really address any of the issues he had with the job. I think the major issue he had wasnt the cpm being too high, but that most of them were Dark Arts, so it was busy but boring. Now it's just boring to him, so he is considering going GNB to get some of the complexity back.

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Not_an_Owl posted...

DRK has changed quite considerably from HW to StB and then from StB to ShB, so I'm not sure what you mean by this!

StB, ShB, and Endwalker are 3 expansions

And the StB -> ShB changes were mostly to streamline the job, which is not better and is why people complain about it! Specifically, people complained that Dark Arts spam was not fun or engaging design, so they removed it...so that you can spam Edge of Darkness instead. It's a lateral move.

That said the job still performed very well all expansion and is definitely one of the top tanks. It's just gotten stale to the community.

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Dark Knight has been identical for three expansions, that's why people are salty

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masterplum posted...

Someone needs to send this to every single Democrat strategist.

At this point I think it's just that every Democrat strategist should be fired

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