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I think Maul did a lot more with what he had in any case as far as hype was concerned.
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It's getting to the point where I need to start realizing how many soul breaks is overkill for someone to be expected to use. Since the old ones aren't getting powercrept out into irrelevance anymore you've got a lot of character that have more good breaks than they can use.

Like I see Rikku has a water chain and attack +50% on that banner, but then Rikku also has two really good Ultras and honestly a decent unreleased burst too, and it's unlikely I can maintain all of those except in Jump Starts particularly since she doesn't have Lifesiphon so like, how much do I really care to draw for from her

Similarly, with Tidus do I try to let him be the chainbearer to keep that stress off Rikku to keep the Water Chain up so she can more frequently use her other two. Or do I, since her chain is better, not put high priority on Tidus's chain to free HIM up for other stuff.
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ZeroSignal620 posted...

Final match was the Andre Battle Royal at WM33.

I was sure he'd had a match since then but it appears I was mistaken. Think I was thinking of his match with Strowman on Raw but that was February of this year already. Time flies I guess.
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NeoElfboy posted...

Go check how many Google search results show up for each one

Kylo Ren - 1,750,000 results (0.38 seconds)
Darth Maul - 3,060,000 results (0.45 seconds)

I mean that's not fair because Maul has like 15 years seniority on Kylo (though to be fair to Maul Kylo has like 20x the screentime already) but what are you even talking about here
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Aayla Secura
Asajj Ventress
Aurra Sing
Boba Fett
Emperor Palpatine
Grand Moff Tarkin
Greedo
Jango Fett (Attack of the Clones)
Jar Jar Binks
Jek Porkins
Jodo Kast (Tatooine Manhunt/Star Wars Masters of Teras Kasi)
Lando Calrissian
Mace Windu
Qui-Gon Jinn
Zam Wesell (Attack of the Clones)

Specified the origin on the ones that weren't taken from other noms. Bolded doubles.
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His MND isn't actually that high. Three's overkill for sure. I was able to get it to less than like 2s duration on base 400 MND + Yuna's Mag/Mnd +30% + Mind Breakdown + Gordon's Mind Hyperbreak. As long as you're mostly using dudes with decent mind (which mages are significantly more effective damage anyway) there should be no issue.
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200 Vali is actually really easy if you bring a mind boost, mind breakdown, and a mind break/down soulbreak since his damage isn't that high. Stop scales so heavily on mind that you can basically ignore it at that point.

If you don't have a mind boost or a soulbreak that hits mind though yeah it can be kinda rough. Going prepped it shouldn't be too bad though. Never had Rikku's goggles actually prevent the stop either so I suspect it might have a base success of higher than 100% or be autohit
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I think if you're going to use Luke for doing things that are completely out of character, and not justify his changes well, that using Luke is just hollow fanservice and you could just use a different character for that role.

Which I mean, I guess when Episode 7 is a retelling of Episode 4 that much goes without saying but ideally we'd hold these movies to a higher standard
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I don't think either side fully understands what makes Star Wars good

Like, if you had this team working on the original trilogy I simply put don't think Star Wars is a household name today-- might not even hit it out of the park so well as to get a sequel. I just don't see this team making memorable characters like Darth Vader, Chewbacca, etc etc. You'd probably just get a bog standard space movie.

You can hate the prequel trilogy for a lot of reasons, but it had a lot of memorable stuff. Darth Maul didn't really do anything, but people thought he was badass and got way more talk than Snoke, the Shiny Stormtrooper, or even Kylo Ren ever did. Hell even that dumb droid that used 6 lightsabers was more memorable than at least Snoke and the trooper in a lot of ways.

Lucas doesn't know what makes a good movie, but he knows what makes Star Wars tick. I bet if he was brought in as like a consultant and basically told to know his role when mentioning dumb shit like midichlorans this new trilogy would be better than it is.
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Lucas understood Star Wars very well, he just didn't understand how to deliver his vision of Star Wars while maintaining a readable script and good acting unless he was properly reined in.

Prequel Trilogy: All the soul of Star Wars is there, but it's incredibly muddled by George not being good at things like human interaction, keeping the plot focused, etc etc, and no one keeping him in line there
New Trilogy: Soulless version of Star Wars that don't really add much of note to the universe or lore, but snappy writing and good direction. Significantly better movies, but worse at being Star Wars movies.
Original Trilogy: Best of both

That's how I see it anyway.
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Well it'd be less out of character for Luke at least
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Heh. I did that with Dark Knight Cecil for some reason.

I guess I liked doing dumb things with the guy-- I also did the entirety of the Mt Ordeals event with him solo back in the day (I believe he was the reward for the last segment but I redid all of it) when he was level 1 and was one of the only characters we had

Wish the guy would get more of his relics here so I could justify using him more.
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My argument was never Luke's lying

My argument is that we're thinking about it way more than the writers did, because they don't really understand Luke Skywalker or Star Wars all that well.
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I'm making the argument that the story wasn't thought out at all there and as presented at face value (his original story, Kylo's story, and his reaction to Kylo's take on the story when Rey presses him) it's easier to take him as a premeditated attempted murderer. The only reason you guys are assuming otherwise is because one course of action that requires a lot more creative liberties to reach is less out of character but WHO KNOWS MAN IT'S BEEN 30 YEARS HE DIDN'T GET ALL THE TRAINING.

Like I'm just saying if you're making Luke act that far out of character, you'd better justify it damn well. It wasn't. Because you can fanfic a reason that is a bit more justified than the face value doesn't make it good writing.
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On general principle, the story being left to your interpretation is fine

If we're trying to rationalize a character doing something that is literally the opposite of his established character from Return of the Jedi, however, it's much less fine
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I mean you guys created the "he's going in to scan him when his guard is down" narrative for the record. If you need to unpack (the kind word-- create could also be used if you're less generous) that much of the storytelling that's probably a sign it's not really written very well.
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Kenri posted...

boring and overused as shit

My thoughts on killing nazis in a nutshell

Zombies too, granted
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I'm replying to foolmo who is implying that it would destroy the universe to confront the guy when he's actually awake
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LOLIAmAnAlt posted...

"William Sh"

Pretty much.
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I guess Kylo Ren just got universe destroying darkness the day Luke realized it, literally out of nowhere. Makes sense!
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Well I wanted to pick Life Aura with Kirby's BASS custom, then mix it onto KOS-MOS's Hilbert Effect who I'd pay down with my bonus Wrex money, then also pre-selecting Kirbnapping via Tira passive to make up the difference-- the issue at that point was I lacked enough abilities to remove all the targeted stuff

I'd considered pre-selecting CATS's "For Great Justice" option to mix twice and doing what I did here more or less but:

1. I'm not sure that actually works as Mix had already been used that wartime so being able to use an ability on cooldown might not get around that fact to allow me to double use it, and didn't want to bother with a ruling on that.
2. I needed Wrex (who couldn't be paid down if KOS was) to truly remove all 3/week+ ability threats-- unless Wesker straight up couldn't use his mass undead thing due to Nilin-- which again, not a ruling I cared to get.
3. A lucky CATS bomb solves a lot of that but it's too unreliable.
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Nothing beats mercilessly slaughtering humans who are begging for their life as a chaotic evil character in an RPG.

Fantasy creatures would beat the stuff you put in parens but I still voted humans.
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I dunno, man. Not really to me-- just doesn't really profile as the kinda thing to create that "crime of passion" reaction given how Jedi have historically reacted to "sensing darkness" in the series but agree to disagree I guess
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Dude was asleep-- if you just want to confront him wait till morning. Or at least, you can safely keep your Lightsaber undrawn while saying "hey dude wake up I need to talk to you"

Luke's story straight up doesn't wash with me. He's either lying or more likely the plot is just poorly thought out and kinda forced there.
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Also keep in mind the theory behind going to CNN and Fox News is you temper the more outrageous articles either one posts by having the other one sanity check it. I kinda do similar stuff but my main news source is like BBC rather than CNN or Fox News.

I would trust a Corrik vetted Fox News link significantly more than a random one on average because of this. Most of the truly stupid Fox News articles are probably debunked by CNN's news. So it doesn't really matter which one is linked more as they're both being considered when determining whether to link an article.
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It's mostly that super Bass becomes very oppressive in low, especially with these teamcomps. The options to knock down his life aura are limited.

I was seriously considering as a joke trying to get KOS-MOS into low with an unbreakable Life Aura on her. I think I was one ability use short.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

until we get to abils

*paydowns
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I mean you don't have to have considered killing anyone to know that it was more than a brief fleeting moment needed to line all those ducks in a row.

Consider the scenario the movie presents to you: He's in Kylo's room at night, draws his Lightsaber and is about to strike when Kylo wakes up.
- Why was he in Kylo's room at that time of night
- Why did he have a Lightsaber on him

Consider Luke's typical night time routine and he probably isn't doing patrols with his Lightsaber. Consider also that sensing Kylo's darkness is probably going to come at a time while he's training him like it did with Rey

So Luke was basically thinking about this for part of a day minimum with any reasonable interpretation-- that's more than a fleeting thought. Even with an unreasonable interpretation of thinking it just came to him while he was in his room reading a book while Kylo slept and was emanating zs of darkness, that's still a few minutes where he's thinking about ways to deal with these zs of darkness and he comes to the conclusion that killing him is the best option when... that doesn't line up with his past mindset at all.
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There's a difference between a fleeting moment of anger and like, pre-meditation when the dude is asleep

Like Luke can claim he only considered it for a moment, but you don't have 'just a moment' where you consider killing someone in their sleep-- that's something you dwell on for a while, then have second thoughts when it actually comes time to do it. It's a disservice to Luke's character because he got even that far. Like if the plot had been "he thought about it very briefly once while training him but said "no that's wrong", and Kylo Ren sensed his murderous thoughts and tried to murder Luke in his sleep that night" it would've been a lot less dumb I think.
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Yeah imo Tom's winning strategy was:

1. Bid a conservative amount on High
2. Bid literally all the rest of your GP on going first with abilities.

Not sure that wins but low was definitely a blunder.
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

He's come out multiple times saying his initial impression was wrong and that the movie is much better for it. Please stop repeating this.

That's why I said he agrees "to some extent."

I mean I doubt he completely flipped on his head 180-- he probably just felt he was a bit overly harsh, or didn't want to come off as bitter, or whatever else. He wouldn't have said it to begin with if he didn't agree at all though.
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Like to me the real kicker is the moment where he considered killing Kylo Ren not just being bs made up by Kylo Ren.

That's pretty much at direct odds with the entirety of the Luke/Vader arc in RotJ.

I won't deny his performance was excellent, and I couldn't ask for a better way to represent the vision if you must have a 30 years traumatized darkened Luke (although thinking the Jedi texts mattered much was actually hard to envision by any version of Luke) but his subplot really needed work.
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I think so. Like he had some badass and funny moments but overall I think becoming a hermit and going all dark when the galaxy needed him wasn't justified well enough seeing how far at odds it was with his demeanor in the OT-- and having a moment where he wanted to ace Kylo was awful. Really out of character.

I mean Mark Hamill himself agrees to some extent. Granted I'm not trying to claim playing Luke makes him the definitive source on the Luke Skywalker character but... he probably understands the character more than most people at least!
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I mean this may just be me but I think linking CNN even 25% of the time is pretty solid evidence that the guy goes there pretty often

He links Fox News more often because they tend to agree with his positions more often-- go figure. Dude never said he agrees with both equally just that he reads both equally.
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Jeff Zero posted...

Metroid, maybe? Atmosphere is one of the main things I look for in games, so I figure the franchise should click for me, but it doesn't. I have tried both Super and Prime to no avail. My best guess is that I just don't care for the whole Metroidvania thing.

How far did you get into Super?

Because I don't really feel like the Atmosphere really starts clicking in that one for a while. Like the ghost ship and especially Maridia (the underwater part of the game) are where it really starts to get awesome for me. Could take or leave most of the game's aesthetic up till that point.
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Kinda surprised to see Luke Skywalker fanboys LeonhartFour and Jeff Zero like the movie so much. I feel like Luke fans would be more upset than most on the plot front seeing as how he was done so dirty in the movie
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I wish the blizzard tome could be inherited-- I mean with a generic name like that you'd think it'd be able to but they never are.

That thing would be sick with my debuffing Matthew but I would want to put it on like Robin or something.
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Ashtar indeed can do nothing.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Speaking of idiotic smark opinions, imagine actually thinking Cena can't wrestle

Well I think you're better qualified than any of us to tell us how to imagine that.

Anyway I think it's more that face Rusev, which, booking be damned, is what he is, matters a lot more than a dumb sing along. Dude is just better at playing a face imo.
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Mega Man 10

I think I got more out of Mega Man 6, which is probably the weakest Mega Man game that I still like, than that game, and I just can't put my finger on why. Heck Mega Man 9 is one of my favorites.
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I did not but probably some updates tomorrow.
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Thanks bud merry Christmas to you too
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2/11

Curillia and Basch USB

Not a fan of the draws but could be worse I guess
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Yeah I will start skipping those if I am looking to finish too late
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I'm working through comics roster. Trying to go whole hog ala Fire Emblem and put everything in there. Since that's the only fed I've put in that isn't detailed yet. I'll update the sheet later (and by later I mean like Tuesday going to be busy today and tomorrow)

To clarify that was all I was supposed to be doing at the minimum this go right. Anyway I should have it back to you just after the New Year I think based on what I've done, scheduling, etc.
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Not necessarily. There are a few ways to play that where it doesn't necessarily create plot holes.

The easiest one being that she was only compromised fairly recently. But there are a lot of easy ways to do it that are less dumb than hyperdrive tracking mcguffin imo.
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3/11

Celes's Lightbringer (Maria's Song) (Holy Boost Sword)
Lann's Fritt Mirage (Channel Element: Fire) (Fire Boost Thrown)
And the real prize
Paine's Guise (Grand Storm) (WATER BOOST ARMOR yeahhh)

Very happy with this pull just from the gear end. Really wanted that Paine Armor to give to Tidus and/or Rikku.

Might actually use Celes once in a while though.
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We haven't been, but after seeing your impassioned Leia Poppins defense I'm sure you have in the past two topics.
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I dunno man

I don't think you have to be some kinda nerd to realize that having ramming a star destroyer with hyperdrive being a viable method to one shot it when you lose entire fleets trying to get close enough to get bombers onto it kinda undermines a lot of the drama in space combat if you think about it-- and that being able to track through hyperspeed kinda takes away the generally accepted resolution method of space encounters that isn't "blow up the other guy"

Why didn't they just hyperdrive their x-wings into the death star who needs bombing runs

I mean there are a lot of things I think the fanbase is dumb about-- like making such a big deal about MIDICHLORANS or whatever when it was just a throwaway gibberish line to most people was kinda dumb. But there's a lot of stuff that's well established in the movies that's kinda thrown off by the creative liberties they took with the hyperdrive stuff I feel. I don't really think it's overthinking it to have an issue with it-- like it's not a mythos nerddom thing it's a consistency thing.
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Sober Lopen's rewrite to that plot thread is to just kill Leia btw

Have the purple haired chick who assumed command be an imperial spy or whatever. You can still BS the hyperdrive mcguffin to give them something to do and just have them ultimately be wrong about that. Like they were fed incorrect information somehow to throw off the idea that there's a spy on board. *shrug

I'm not sure how to blow up the Star Destroyer and get Finn and Rose out of there. Having Snoke just cause major damage to the ship with a massive force lightning storm as he dies might've worked without ruining hyperdrive continuity.

But if you must have Leia Mary Poppins her ass back into the ship, making her a first order android or body double or changeling or whatever would have been more plot relevant than what she did that's all drunk Lopen was saying!
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