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The funny part is we pretty much agree on the actual problem with the Leia scene

I'm just saying she would also die as an aside because of the situation around her ejection into space and you're claiming I don't know how space works because you assumed I said she'd die for a reason I never actually said. Maybe someone else said it.
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Rogue One > Last Jedi > TFA I think.

None of em were great but yeah. Last Jedi was more disappointing than anything because the whole feeling off of TFA was "well the movie wasn't great but they set up a lot of potentially interesting stuff here where will they go with it" and then they didn't really go anywhere very interesting with any of it. It was still better than TFA because it actually did go do its own thing, and that the villain threat actually seemed credible this time around which is what killed the first one for me more than anything-- but pacing on the first half and just taking a fairly standard route on the major points did hurt it.

I'm not really looking forward to whatever the next movie is very much. Only real question mark for me is if Kylo Ren is redeemed or just defeated, and how well built he becomes before that happens-- which I'd definitely like to see him become a monstrosity after how impotent he was in the first movie. But that's not really as intriguing.

If you're going bog standard Star Wars he's probably redeemeed, and he isn't given a ton of build. Hopefully that's wrong because I really don't think redeeming the guy is something that makes a lot of sense.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

My main complaints with the film were: Kylo Ren and Rey should've joined together. It would've been a breath of fresh air.

And: Luke should've been for real on salt Hoth, especially if they were gonna kill him anyway.

As I said before said drunken rambling these are really my main sticking points with the movie as well

The rest was just kinda weird details that I don't like-- like I don't like the Leia thing because it's ultimately pointless to what happened and it's shot clownishly. I don't like the hyperdrive thing(s) because it kinda makes a lot of the space escape and combat dynamics really stupid-- but these aren't really things that ruined my enjoyment of the movie or anything. More nitpicks than anything.
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That was drunken rambling not a big proud contribution

Also I'm not being smug I'm just pointing out you never actually argue points, just attack people

Much like you're doing now with the strawman there
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LapisLazuli posted...

You don't suddenly just black out.

And no one said this and it's made clear why you don't actually explain anything cause that would illustrate that you don't actually have the reading comprehension to back up your smugness.
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Honestly though either way I'd make it clear that scene in particular wasn't even a big problem of mine anyway

It was just shot kinda stupidly and was ultimately very unnecessary to the plot other than teasing Leia dying for like a minute.
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I like how in your posting style you so consistently act superior and smug but never actually contribute any content whatsoever (hint: explain why that interpretation is incorrect)
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The difference is if you're suddenly flung into space you've

1. Got momentum sucking you out and AWAY from the ship
2. Can't really be expected to have your wits about you immediately-- Leia really should've even have her bearings before 15 seconds expire and she's dead.
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It's funny if I'd done that on time it would probably seem like an improvement to what WWE was doing with Jinder/the title.

But now that AJ beat him it's probably not.

Oh I uh forgot to write up a part of that and was very close to the-- Jinder stormed to Shane's office before the end of a show and demanded his rematch clause NOW and Shane blew him off cause he had a match soon.

It's minor but it kinda matters for the story <_<
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tcaz2 posted...

You can survive in space for several minutes. You'll go unconcious from lack of oxygen in about 10-15 seconds, but even if Leia went over that (which I don't believe she did) its pretty easily handwaved by 'the force helped her slightly'.

How about after being blown into space from an explosion, though.
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I'll just guess the two things that got the most reaction from me.

1. Luke brushing his shoulder off like a boss after the laser volley.
2. Snoke beaning Rey in the back of the head with the lightsaber handle.

Well okay the latter was more me audibly laughing.
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Random stuff:

- I hate this mod. Shane McMahon: "Sorry I won't do a Crazy Bump" yeah that's realistic. I actually just simulated the Crazy Bump by making the stretcher angle a major defeat high injury risk angle. I don't entirely like this solution but whatever. I probably would've got a less garbage rating for the match if Shane would've taken the damn bump too!
- Charlotte Flair and Jinder have begun dating.
- Lita and Cesaro have begun dating.
- Nakamura says "I'm liking what I hear from Heath Slater, there's money in his promos if given air time." Yeahhhhh if Shinsuke approves you can too.
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Alright, hoping I can make some headway on catching up to the current day with the holiday season.

Hell in a Cell 2017

In a match very similar to the original Hell In A Cell, The Usos d. Big E and Xavier Woods in a Hell in a Cell match to become the new Tag Champs. (68) Natalya d. Charlotte Flair to retain the Smackdown Women's Championship after a ref bump leaves Natalya free to whack Charlotte in the knees with a chair and apply The Sharpshooter to the crippled Charlotte. (48)

Ziggler vs Sami Zayn. Ziggler comes out with no music, straight up-- no record scratches. He intentionally wrestles the most boring match possible, spamming headlocks, despite Sami's best effort. Eventually the match is taken outside-- Ziggler drags Zayn wayyyy up the entryway with a MIGHTY HEADLOCK. He kicks Zayn in the knee at 7, then sprints to the ring and wins by countout (66) Ziggler cuts a promo on Sami Zayn, telling him that WINNING is the only thing that matters and that he too should stop caring about what these fans think. (61)

AJ Styles d. Baron Corbin and Tye Dillinger in a fairly bog standard title retention, getting the pin on Tye. Baron is Livid! (67)

Jinder Mahal is out there with Khali for the MAHARAJA Open Challenge! He does his usual spiel about how great he is, then calls anyone who happens to be in the back.



It's Heath Slater! He says he was traded to Smackdown this last Friday... and he's wasting no time. He taught Jinder Mahal everything he knows back in 3MB and he'll be taking the title RIGHT NOW BABAY!!! Jinder is incredulous that this JOKE would come out and address him as an equal-- he sends Khali away. He will defeat this hillbilly alone! (71) Heath Slater vs Jinder Mahal. Mahal dominates early, clearly putting his 3MB days well behind him... standard squash style, lots of taunting... but then... Slater isn't having this, he starts to actually get momentum and the crowd behind him. However... Jinder eventually cuts him off with a Khallas out of nowhere. 1... 2... Slater kicked out! Mahal is bug eyed, shouts the hell out of the ref for some time... Slater starts to stumble to his feet, Khali starts to take this into his hands and we see his figure lumbering towards the ring from the backstage area-- Slater starts to pick up the pace, he hits a flurry of offense on the arguing Mahal as the slow as hell Khali steps onto the apron-- Slater drop kicks him at the knees to knock him off, buying a few seconds, hits a snap mare face driver... 1... 2... 3! Slater is your new champion! (63)

Slater flees Khali, goes wild celebrating all over the place, shouting about how HE'S GOT KIDS etc etc-- Renee Young tries to get an interview with him, but he's pretty well incoherently shouting so she can't get much-- the audience eats it up though. 3MB! 3MB! He's got kids! He's got kids! (87)

Breezango vs Aiden English and Bobby Roode. Once Roode does his entrance, he's done here. He leaves Aiden in a 2v1. Breezango wins easily. (46) Breezango stand there looking at the fallen Aiden English... they sorta shrug, anticlimactic? A Rusev in Bulgaria vignette plays on the tron-- Rusev is RKOing more randos and shouting RUSEV MACHKA! We cut back to the ring... Fandango: "Breeze... 2B..." Breeze: "Hmmm..." Simulateously: "2... Bulgaria!" They dash towards the next lead. (65)

Randy Orton vs Shinsuke Nakamura. Competitive match. Orton ekes out a win by being the more wily, but without blatantly cheating. (75)

Shane McMahon vs Kevin Owens in HiaC. This is different from the normal match-- Owens takes most of it and it's much shorter though the climax is roughly the same. They tease jumps off, and Shane jumps off the damn cell onto KO who is on the announce tables, but misses the mark as Sami Zayn moves Kevin Owens out of the way, then puts him on top of Shane for the pin. (53) Shane is stretchered out, dead. No thumbs up here. (78)

Show Rating: 63 LOST MUCH POPULARITY DAMMIT SHANE
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Yeah I think it's better than the Burst one probably, which I will be drawing on

I just happen to be stacked on healing soul breaks. I probably have about half the relics on the banner, and it'd be the better half at that.
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Healer lucky is an easy pass for me. Not a lot of interesting draws there. I think Yuna's Ultra and Vanille's Burst are the only ones I'd kinda want that I don't have. Minwu's SSB for +10 MND I guess. Have my top two of the set in Minwu's Ultra and Ovelia's Ultra.
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Jam Kuradoberi
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I'd call it sloppy more than risky. Like details in your execution isn't really about risks or lack thereof-- stuff like tone, direction of the plot and main characters, stuff like that are where you take risks. (and where the movie really didn't have any)
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Yeah basically everything about the Star Wars hyperdrive mythos was dismantled because they couldn't think of better ways to move the plot along.
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Also the escape pod strategy was pretty stupid when you really thought about it-- like why would you send out escape pods when the last ship was being destroyed. You'd think doing that when there were the least amount of ships left on the table and at closest proximity to your main ship (which they're launching from) would make them more likely to notice not less.

Now granted this stuff is all kinda nitpicky more than actual issues with the movie but yeah that whole plodding chase didn't really make a lot of sense as some sorta master plan.
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I mean that whole thread of the movie was basically like, a buncha mcguffins and just becauses to me. Which if that's good enough for you then you'll like it I guess. I'd personally prefer tracking through hyperspace, something we'd never seen before, to be achieved by something with a better explanation than "there's some sorta device on that Star Destroyer we gotta disable it"
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I was really drunk when I wrote that but I do think her being some sort of droid or fake or decoy Leia would've been better, ironically not even as a twist but to make the continuity of the movie make more sense. Not a clone per se just similar in appearance.

I mean she was unconscious the whole time up until that point so it could've worked and would've explained why the empire was able to track them, why their plan was so bad, why she was able to so effortlessly vault through the vacuum of space after being blown up, etc etc. Plants on the ship made a lot more sense than what we got.
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Is that the force or is that Scary Mary
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One of the twists I thought would be cool

Mary Poppins Leia was some sorta imperial spy. She shot Poe and I was like OH MY GOD IT MAKES SENSE WHY SHE GOT IN THERE CAUSE SHE WAS SOME SORTA CLONE OR SOMETHING.

But then she wasn't so it was still dumb.

Trust me I have like 12 things to rewrite with this movie
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It depends what you mean by safe

If you mean by safe relative to the expectations set forth by the first movie it was incredibly safe

If you mean safe relative to the expectations set forth by the lore as a whole it was less safe cause they axed Luke and Rey was irrelevant to the grand scheme of things

But then you consider Obi Wan was axed in a similar fashion and it removes a lot of the daring from Luke's end. Also that Han died pretty unceremoniously in the VII.

I think either way it was a disappointment-- either you thought it was "too safe" or you thought the first half was incredibly boring-- the people I watched it with they didn't really comment a ton on the safety but they found the movie to be a snooze-- my first issue was that I was constantly finding the plot more potentially interesting than it turned out to be.
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Kylo doing a face turn and Rey doing a heel turn would be really weird though to the main narrative-- those two sticking to the course is the bog standard.

Snoke being alive vs not would matter more if Snoke mattered more in the first movie. It would've been a risky move if he was established as a major player-- but in TFA Snoke was pretty irrelevant-- killing Kylo would've been the risky move.

Luke being the real hero of the movie would've been risky too as you were basically building Rey as a big deal the first movie and Luke was your Yoda.

Basically the movie teased a lot of interesting plot developments but delivered on none of them. Any of those forks could've been unexpected but the presentation made pretty much all of em obvious.
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How important is that stuff to the narrative though unless you're heavily invested in Rey.

Like the "risks" were in the petty details. The main narrative was very safe
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How is any of that like, risky, though.

Those feel like forks in the road more than risk taking ventures. Like things didn't work okay, that happens all the time in Star Wars. If that's your definition of risk Rogue One was the most risky movie ever.

I dunno most of it wasn't very unexpected to me. The natural flow of the story took that stuff where it went.
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Do you think playing it safe is a weird complaint or do you not think it played it safe. And if you don't think it played it safe what do you think it did that was particularly risky or unexpected.
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AquaArcane posted...

I'm afraid the next movie will be bogged down from all the "fans" bitching about stupid shit. So they'll have to play it more safe to "please everybody"

I'm not even sure how this is possible btw

Probably my biggest problem with the movie is it played it too safe. I'm not even sure how you could play it safer.
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I think VIII kinda buried most of the plot threads I was potentially interested in to be honest by toeing the line so closely. I'm not even sure what I'm supposed to be hyped up for in IX.
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Board 8, though it's by far the best social board on the site

Every other game board I've been a regular at for any amount of time has seemed better though
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Jam Kuradoberi
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Kinda bad movie. First half was just kinda boring. Second half was filled with myself mentally rewriting everything before it happened, getting hyped, and then promptly having my hype killed when the movie delivered the "boring" result.

ExThaNemesis posted...

They teased the one plot point I wanted THE ABSOLUTE MOST. Even though they didn't do it in the end, I loved that they at least acknowledged it and it was on the board as a possibility. My god though, if Rey/Ren had joined forces and had to be stopped by Luke (the Last Jedi), it would've been the greatest of all time. I understand it's Disney and we have to play everything safe now, but hey at least they acknowledged it.

While far from the only thing I wanted done differently, this exact rewrite in my head being prime among them. God that would've been so good. So good. But nope we can't have cool things like this.
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Hell in the Cell, brief match card storylines (I'll be doing this before all the PPVs because I think with my erratic schedule this is kinda necessary)

Kevin Owens vs Shane McMahon
Basically the same as the WWE storyline at this point. KO headbutted Vince. Shane is taking it a bit more personally and has been arguably neglecting his duties as Commissioner, certain superstars, and Daniel Bryan.

Jinder Mahal(c) Maharaja Open Challenge
Mahal has been issuing open challenges and having Khali + The Singh Brothers beat down the challengers before they start the match. Mahal has stated he will be continuing this at the PPV.

Randy Orton vs Shinsuke Nakamura
The two have wanted to face Mahal, but neither really got a rematch due to miscommunication between the two, apathy, and arguably sabotage by the other allowing Mahal to get the upper hand, so they just straight up battle each other instead because Orton is pissed.

Dolph Ziggler vs Sami Zayn
Less focus on Ziggler aping entrances as he only did it once with Undertaker's entrance, more focus on Ziggler not giving a crap and making fun of part timers and the fans. Zayn plays the champion of all that is good just because he's Sami Zayn.

New Day(c) vs Usos
Filler tag feud identical to WWE's build pretty much.

AJ Styles(c) vs Corbin vs Tye Dillinger
Filler 3 way identical to WWE's build pretty much.

Natalya(c) vs Charlotte
Filler feud identical to WWE's build pretty much.

Misc storylines that don't directly have a match but might
Rusev
Training in Bulgaria vignettes to redeem himself for his loss to Orton that involve RKOing randos and buying pets.

Zack Ryder
Upset with losing streak with Mojo

Breezango vs Aiden English
They are certain Aiden English is 2B and repeatedly challenge him to tag matches where he brings randos and leaves.
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I mean

Keep in mind "52% support it now or later" was accompanied by the literal poll responses so it's pretty cut and dry who was being more misleading tbqh.
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StealThisSheen posted...

My point is that while his use of hyperbole was dishonest, it's not really any more dishonest than trying to say "52% are in favor of moving it now or in the future" as if they're basically one in the same, and it's easier to get to the truth of the matter (that a majority are against the current move) from what he said than from what you said.

I mean at the very minimum you could say "52% are not horrified by moving it" from that statistic which definitely makes Peaf's hyperbole the more misleading statement.
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Well Wrex prevents all ability uses period, including ones that don't directly interact with your team, so I think it would.
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I mean I'd assume so since you've been playing it so long but your woes seemed so close to Chris's that I had to ask.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

it's definitely true that the people on the left criticize each other a lot more than the people on the right in this topic. seems to just be a reflection of the "democrats fall in love, republicans fall in line" thing.

I still think it's a result of the proportions of people on each side and some of the personalities on the side of the left in here, based on my personal tendencies as close to a neutral party in here, but whatever-- not really provable and not worth continuing either.
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Hey ChampionCloud you put the battle speed at 1 right <_<
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Claws we get 4!

Though unfortunately Scathach needs 6. Baby steps.
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It's your ability phase

Take my spoiler tagged ability phase as the one I did
Take Kanzaris's as the one he did
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Alright I guarantee there will be updates tonight.
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Suprak the Stud posted...

and only did the other stuff to make it more palatable to the non super wealthy.

That would be the "compromise" I was talking about btw.

I mean I dunno I was just hoping there was some sort of logic to what the plan is for the economy as it relates to the tax cuts or whatever. Even if it's just some bs it would be interesting to get any sort of justification for it.
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Random question that I apologize if has been brought up in here but is there any sort of justification being given on the corporate tax rate cut being permanent and the middle class one being temporary or is it sort of just a thing that was slipped in as a compromise with no real logic behind it.
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Looks accurate
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Speaking of these stupid free summon units in the raid I'm closer than not to getting most of their TMRs but I'm not sure I'm close enough to ever justify TM grinding them so maybe I should just sell them. I don't know.
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Honestly though if you read Corrik's posts and SephG's posts and think they agree on everything just because they don't outright argue against one another often I think that's kinda weird. They clearly have very different priorities on discussion points which kinda points to the kinda things they consider important.

But yeah it's just not really necessary for the two to rebuke one another most of the time cause that's pretty much already happened by like 3-4 people almost instantly in most cases. That's really the gist of it. It's a lot easier to have civil discussions and actually flesh out how you feel on issues when you're on the side where the flunkies aren't waiting to maul ya.
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Errr my bad I thought that was LtM

Sorry Lord of the Morons no offense intended.
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I've actually literally never seen LotM disagree with anyone that was a liberal in here. If Liberal Echo Chamber was defined by a user it would be him. So I mean you say you disagree on hella policy issues but it sounds like a fabrication to me.
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