Board 8 > Star Wars: The Last Jedi: Spoiler Thread Episode III

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LeonhartFour posted...

Luke doesn't have to be there physically for that to count as a reunion.

They could have reunited. Luke, chose not to.
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that's got nothing to do with what I said but sure
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LeonhartFour posted...

that's got nothing to do with what I said but sure

I mean, it does. Do you reunite with someone every time you Skype them? He wasn't there. And, sure, Leia thought he was, but it was just a short conversation across the Galaxy.
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That was still a reunion, and if you weren't moved by that scene then you need to check your soul
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it's not really the same thing as Skype or Facetime or whatever you want to compare it to but it doesn't really matter either way

that scene was great regardless of whether you quibble over whether Luke needs to be there physically to count as a reunion
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Corrik posted...

Jeff Zero posted...

I'm not sure I understand that last sentence, Corrik. What do you mean about running the risk of losing interest in the main storyline? You seem to be suggesting Rogue One caused less interest in the main films somehow? I can't possibly be reading that correctly but I don't know what else you might mean there.

Yes. If you overload the product, people get tired of the whole franchise.

So what's the deal with the MCU?

AquaArcane posted...

It's the opposite for me, the more Star Wars I get the happier I am. Rogue One just enhanced my love of ANH. I'm excited to see all of the other side movies, I just love being in the Star Wars universe.

Me too, personally.
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Corrik posted...

They could have reunited. Luke, chose not to.

Luke's only mode of transportation was underwater for what looks like a long time.

He really couldn't once Rey left in a huff.
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Jeff Zero posted...

Corrik posted...

Jeff Zero posted...

I'm not sure I understand that last sentence, Corrik. What do you mean about running the risk of losing interest in the main storyline? You seem to be suggesting Rogue One caused less interest in the main films somehow? I can't possibly be reading that correctly but I don't know what else you might mean there.

Yes. If you overload the product, people get tired of the whole franchise.

So what's the deal with the MCU?

AquaArcane posted...

It's the opposite for me, the more Star Wars I get the happier I am. Rogue One just enhanced my love of ANH. I'm excited to see all of the other side movies, I just love being in the Star Wars universe.

Me too, personally.

MCU has been relatively proving it is fatigue proof so far, but some argue the totals haven't been increasing as predicted in the main line avengers movies.
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The Last Jedi opened at #2 domestic of all time right behind The Force Awakens so I'm not sure we're anywhere near it yet anyway. Not saying you were necessarily arguing that we were, but yeah.
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AquaArcane posted...

That was still a reunion, and if you weren't moved by that scene then you need to check your soul

I was moved until I realized it was fake and he didn't have the decency to go meet with her in real life if he was going to do an act that would kill him if he truly cared for her.
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(It ain't doing too shabbily worldwide either but it's never been the beast overseas that it is stateside, alas)
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Corrik posted...

AquaArcane posted...

That was still a reunion, and if you weren't moved by that scene then you need to check your soul

I was moved until I realized it was fake and he didn't have the decency to go meet with her in real life if he was going to do an act that would kill him if he truly cared for her.

THEDavyJones posted...

Corrik posted...

They could have reunited. Luke, chose not to.

Luke's only mode of transportation was underwater for what looks like a long time.

He really couldn't once Rey left in a huff.

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Jeff Zero posted...

The Last Jedi opened at #2 domestic of all time right behind The Force Awakens so I'm not sure we're anywhere near it yet anyway. Not saying you were necessarily arguing that we were, but yeah.

Oh no, but it is doing significantly worse than TFA and is projected to be maybe 55-65% of the total of TFA.
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The Falcon was in a junkyard for what looked like a long time and that didn't stop Mary Sue from running onboard and out-piloting multiple TIE-fighters in it!
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How was that Luke's only mode of transportation? I thought Superman-flying through space was a basic force skill!

Corrik posted...

Jeff Zero posted...

The Last Jedi opened at #2 domestic of all time right behind The Force Awakens so I'm not sure we're anywhere near it yet anyway. Not saying you were necessarily arguing that we were, but yeah.

Oh no, but it is doing significantly worse than TFA and is projected to be maybe 55-65% of the total of TFA.

What was TFA's final haul? I'm mobile and don't recall offhand. But wasn't it like $2.0 billion? This film passes the $1 billion mark very soon and isn't even out in China yet (not that Star Wars ever makes real waves over there but it should clear like $100 million or so?) I don't see it dropping that heavily off of TFA if my TFA numbers are accurate. I see this film reaching ~$1.3-1.5 billion worldwide.
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Seginustemple posted...

How was that Luke's only mode of transportation? I thought Superman-flying through space was a basic force skill!

That literally rendered Leia comatose after like 30 seconds of traveling maybe 80 meters
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https://screenrant.com/star-wars-8-last-jedi-box-office-worldwide/

This article has the projected total.much higher than the other articles I had seen prior. If so, that is much better than I was thinking.
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Corrik posted...

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-8-last-jedi-box-office-worldwide/

This article has the projected total.much higher than the other articles I had seen prior. If so, that is much better than I was thinking.

Yeah, my $1.3 billion listing is like super-conservative. $1.5 billion is my main guess but if THR thinks $1.6 billion is in play then more power to it I guess. The historic drop-offs make me think that's being optimistic however.
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SmartMuffin posted...

The Falcon was in a junkyard for what looked like a long time and that didn't stop Mary Sue from running onboard and out-piloting multiple TIE-fighters in it!

It was in far better shape than an underwater vehicle.
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Luke's X-Wing was literally partly scavenged to make his door. There is no comparison.
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Jeff Zero posted...

Luke's X-Wing was literally partly scavenged to make his door. There is no comparison.

Wait, really?
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Jeff Zero posted...

Corrik posted...

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-8-last-jedi-box-office-worldwide/

This article has the projected total.much higher than the other articles I had seen prior. If so, that is much better than I was thinking.

Yeah, my $1.3 billion listing is like super-conservative. $1.5 billion is my main guess but if THR thinks $1.6 billion is in play then more power to it I guess. The historic drop-offs make me think that's being optimistic however.

The article I read initially was talking about the doomsday scenario where it barely managed to cross 1 billion. Since its drops were so high.
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THEDavyJones posted...

Jeff Zero posted...

Luke's X-Wing was literally partly scavenged to make his door. There is no comparison.

Wait, really?

Yep, I had it pointed out to me on another site. A bunch of folks were talking about it. I think part of it might be inside his hut too but I don't remember.
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AquaArcane posted...

That was still a reunion, and if you weren't moved by that scene then you need to check your soul

IDK it felt a little bland to me. It didn't move me that much when I felt that Leia should have been much more frustrated at Luke for leaving her behind, and for not being there to help save Han.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

It didn't move me that much when I felt that Leia should have been much more frustrated at Luke for leaving her behind, and for not being there to help save Han.

It wasn't really the time for that sort of thing. He's still her brother regardless of how he screwed up in the past.
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I mean he really screwed up.

Here she is literally fighting a war by herself and losing badly while Luke is off being emo hermit (which is still so out of character the more I think about it).
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Jeff Zero posted...

That literally rendered Leia comatose after like 30 seconds of traveling maybe 80 meters

I'm being facetious of course but don't start applying logic now, it's just a dumb franchise about space wizards

I mean, for me I didn't see it until literally tonight. Part of it is that I learned from TFA that I might as well wait till Christmas cause my family will want to see it together, so I didn't actually see it on opening night. So...it wouldn't surprise me if the movie has a slightly stronger tail than normal, for people who wait till their family is together on Christmas to see the movie.

(I can kind of agree that Rogue One really didn't need to exist, though).
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He did and he knows he did, which is why he's there. The dude felt guilty because he lost Ben, most of all because he's Leia's son. No need to beat him up even more about that when he's there to try to make whatever amends he can.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Luke doesn't have to be there physically for that to count as a reunion.

Technically neither did Leia.

But honestly I didn't really have any problems with the Leia flying scene aside from the fact it looked really stupid.
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Grand Kirby posted...

But honestly I didn't really have any problems with the Leia flying scene aside from the fact it looked really stupid.

This is what sticks with me. It's conceptually fine and I have no problem with it.

But it looked so excessively silly.
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Corrik posted...

LeonhartFour posted...

that's got nothing to do with what I said but sure

I mean, it does. Do you reunite with someone every time you Skype them? He wasn't there. And, sure, Leia thought he was, but it was just a short conversation across the Galaxy.

She 100% knew he wasn't really there. She has a Force link with him, you think she couldn't sense that he wasn't directly in front of her?

That's why she left the dice, she knew they were an illusion. She wouldn't leave the dice if she thought they were real, considering how much said dice represent Han.

It was clearly enough of a reunion for her!
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Hmmm...overall this movie...

I think they went much more interesting places than VII, did much more interesting things with the force. Doing much more original things with the plot.

On the other hand, the movie felt long at several points. Which...probably actually indicates pacing problems moreso than length (it was within 20 minutes of Episode VII, so not a significant length difference). Honestly, as much as I wanted to like this part of the movie, I feel like most of the Finn/Rose subplot was not very good. Her crashing into him to stop his suicide run was great, but almost everything else before that, it just felt like they wanted some action clips in between Jedi training and Fin/Rose was their choice of filler.
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metroid composite posted...

I mean, for me I didn't see it until literally tonight. Part of it is that I learned from TFA that I might as well wait till Christmas cause my family will want to see it together, so I didn't actually see it on opening night. So...it wouldn't surprise me if the movie has a slightly stronger tail than normal, for people who wait till their family is together on Christmas to see the movie.

(I can kind of agree that Rogue One really didn't need to exist, though).

It has a historically low second-week drop actually but its opening was second highest of all time domestically right behind TFA

Like the drop is huge but it still posted $120 million or so for the four-day weekend so that's really just saying a ton about just how much it made here on opening weekend ($220 million)

Mixed word-of-mouth + Christmas falling on a Monday + Jumanji overperforming versus expectations all play big roles in the drop but it's still making bank like crazy right now and yeah, you might be right about it having decent legs in weeks 3 through 5 or so. I don't know though, I kind of expect them to keep buckling
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metroid composite posted...

Hmmm...overall this movie...

I think they went much more interesting places than VII, did much more interesting things with the force. Doing much more original things with the plot.

On the other hand, the movie felt long at several points. Which...probably actually indicates pacing problems moreso than length (it was within 20 minutes of Episode VII, so not a significant length difference). Honestly, as much as I wanted to like this part of the movie, I feel like most of the Finn/Rose subplot was not very good. Her crashing into him to stop his suicide run was great, but almost everything else before that, it just felt like they wanted some action clips in between Jedi training and Fin/Rose was their choice of filler.

Yeah. I wanted to like Finn/Rose more than I did too. I like it from the moment they're aboard the ship though, personally.
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Jeff Zero posted...

metroid composite posted...

I mean, for me I didn't see it until literally tonight. Part of it is that I learned from TFA that I might as well wait till Christmas cause my family will want to see it together, so I didn't actually see it on opening night. So...it wouldn't surprise me if the movie has a slightly stronger tail than normal, for people who wait till their family is together on Christmas to see the movie.

(I can kind of agree that Rogue One really didn't need to exist, though).

It has a historically low second-week drop actually but its opening was second highest of all time domestically right behind TFA

Like the drop is huge but it still posted $120 million or so for the four-day weekend so that's really just saying a ton about just how much it made here on opening weekend ($220 million)

Mixed word-of-mouth + Christmas falling on a Monday + Jumanji overperforming versus expectations all play big roles in the drop but it's still making bank like crazy right now and yeah, you might be right about it having decent legs in weeks 3 through 5 or so. I don't know though, I kind of expect them to keep buckling

Where did you see $120? I saw 66 weekend and 105 4 day. Which means it did 40 on Christmas day.
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Corrik posted...

Yes. If you overload the product, people get tired of the whole franchise.

Star Wars has so far been immune to this buy Disney sure as hell will test its limits

1 movie a year is not the limit, that's for sure
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foolm0r0n posted...

Corrik posted...

Yes. If you overload the product, people get tired of the whole franchise.

Star Wars has so far been immune to this buy Disney sure as hell will test its limits

1 movie a year is not the limit, that's for sure

I am worried about the Han Solo movie personally.
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Saw it today.

Had low expectations based on the mixed reception, but it was actually pretty good!

Floating space Leia was pretty silly though.

But I was just thinking, what if...and bear with me on this one...what if instead, she was an imperial spy clone?
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I think the lower your expectations are going in the more you will enjoy it. Going in with such high expectations as a Star Wars Fan probably leads to a lot of the bad taste of it.
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Had high expectations and still loved it
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Yeah I wanna know when they're going to re introduce "Luuke Skywalker"
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Kinda surprised to see Luke Skywalker fanboys LeonhartFour and Jeff Zero like the movie so much. I feel like Luke fans would be more upset than most on the plot front seeing as how he was done so dirty in the movie
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Was he done dirty?
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I think so. Like he had some badass and funny moments but overall I think becoming a hermit and going all dark when the galaxy needed him wasn't justified well enough seeing how far at odds it was with his demeanor in the OT-- and having a moment where he wanted to ace Kylo was awful. Really out of character.

I mean Mark Hamill himself agrees to some extent. Granted I'm not trying to claim playing Luke makes him the definitive source on the Luke Skywalker character but... he probably understands the character more than most people at least!
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I was a bit skeptical at first, honestly, but they sold me on it by the end of the movie. Plus, Mark Hamill's performance was brilliant.

I mean, yeah, RotJ Luke and TLJ Luke feel like totally different characters, but it's also been 30 years and screwing up Leia's son would probably have some fairly traumatic effects on him. One of my favorite lines in the movie is when Luke's explaining what happened between him and Kylo to Rey and he says, "Leia trusted me...with her son," and you can hear Luke choking up as he says it. The delivery on that part is so good.
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Lopen posted...

I mean Mark Hamill himself agrees to some extent. Granted I'm not trying to claim playing Luke makes him the definitive source on the Luke Skywalker character but... he probably understands the character more than most people at least!

He's come out multiple times saying his initial impression was wrong and that the movie is much better for it. Please stop repeating this.
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Like to me the real kicker is the moment where he considered killing Kylo Ren not just being bs made up by Kylo Ren.

That's pretty much at direct odds with the entirety of the Luke/Vader arc in RotJ.

I won't deny his performance was excellent, and I couldn't ask for a better way to represent the vision if you must have a 30 years traumatized darkened Luke (although thinking the Jedi texts mattered much was actually hard to envision by any version of Luke) but his subplot really needed work.
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

He's come out multiple times saying his initial impression was wrong and that the movie is much better for it. Please stop repeating this.

That's why I said he agrees "to some extent."

I mean I doubt he completely flipped on his head 180-- he probably just felt he was a bit overly harsh, or didn't want to come off as bitter, or whatever else. He wouldn't have said it to begin with if he didn't agree at all though.
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