Board 8 > RATE THE GAME - #295 - Clair Obscur: Expedition 33

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Twilight Princess outperformed Wind Waker

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15: Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Trials and Tribulations - 9.02 (45)
16: Umineko no Naku Koro ni - 9.00 (15)
17: Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance - 9.00 (34)
18: Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening - 8.98 (24)
19: Chrono Trigger - 8.97 (59)
20: WWF No Mercy - 8.96 (17)
21: Metal Gear Solid 2 - 8.95 (41)
22: FTL: Faster Than Light - 8.95 (12)
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108: Triangle Strategy - 8.29 (14)
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110: Hollow Knight - 8.27 (32)
111: Inscryption - 8.27 (15)
112: Monster Sanctuary - 8.25 (6)
113: Pokemon Red / Blue / Yellow - 8.24 (54)
114: It Takes Two - 8.23 (17)
115: Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic - 8.22 (16)
116: Mass Effect 3 - 8.22 (31)
117: Final Fantasy IX - 8.20 (52)
118: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel - 8.20 (14)
119: Sonic Mania - 8.19 (19)
120: Streets of Rage 2 - 8.18 (17)
121: Prey (2017) - 8.16 (7)
122: The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - 8.15 (30)
123: Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess - 8.15 (34)
124: Horizon Zero Dawn - 8.15 (23)
125: Halo: Combat Evolved - 8.15 (30)
126: Shovel Knight - 8.14 (24)
127: Dead Cells - 8.14 (16)
128: Slay the Spire - 8.13 (27)
129: Super Mario Bros Wonder - 8.11 (26)
130: Pokemon Gold / Silver / Crystal - 8.10 (41)
131: Ghost of Tsushima - 8.10 (21)
132: Super Street Fighter II Turbo - 8.10 (27)
133: Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze - 8.08 (21)
134: Crash Team Racing - 8.08 (17)
135: Genshin Impact - 8.07 (8)
136: Neon White - 8.07 (7)
137: Guitar Hero II - 8.07 (27)
138: Sleeping Dogs - 8.06 (15)
139: Ori and the Blind Forest - 8.05 (26)
140: DOOM (93) - 8.05 (22)
141: Death Stranding - 8.04 (9)
142: Tetris - 8.03 (53)
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145: Dark Souls - 8.02 (35)
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150: Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 - 8.00 (30)

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163: Marvel vs. Capcom 2 - 7.93 (29)
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167: Mark of the Ninja - 7.91 (7)
168: Dead Space - 7.91 (20)
169: Ikaruga - 7.90 (12)
170: NHL '94 - 7.90 (10)
171: World of Warcraft - 7.89 (17)
172: Final Fantasy V - 7.88 (42)
173: The Last of Us Part II - 7.88 (22)
174: Wolfenstein: The New Order - 7.87 (10)
175: Pikmin 2 - 7.86 (13)
176: Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare - 7.86 (18)
177: Castlevania - 7.86 (21)
178: Grand Theft Auto V - 7.86 (25)
179: Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga - 7.86 (20)
180: Psychonauts - 7.85 (21)
181: Undertale - 7.84 (48)
182: Xenogears - 7.84 (20)
183: Guild Wars - 7.83 (3)
184: Skies of Arcadia Legends - 7.83 (18)
185: Metroid Dread - 7.81 (32)
186: Control - 7.81 (22)
187: The Walking Dead: Season One - 7.81 (35)
188: Viewtiful Joe - 7.80 (23)
189: Super Mario Bros - 7.79 (53)
190: Bioshock Infinite - 7.79 (28)
191: Final Fantasy VII Remake - 7.78 (31)
192: Final Fantasy XIV - 7.78 (24)
193: The Legend of Zelda - 7.76 (27)
194: Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow - 7.76 (27)
195: Katamari Damacy - 7.74 (33)
196: Tales of Symphonia - 7.73 (41)
197: The Last of Us - 7.72 (40)
198: Tomb Raider (2013) - 7.72 (19)
199: Animal Crossing: New Horizons - 7.69 (13)
200: God Hand - 7.69 (9)
201: Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island - 7.68 (40)
202: 999: Nine Hours, Nine Persons, Nine Doors - 7.68 (33)
203: Blast Corps - 7.67 (16)
204: Fell Seal: Arbiter's Mark - 7.67 (4)
205: Sonic the Hedgehog 2 - 7.66 (36)
206: Crypt of the NecroDancer - 7.64 (14)
207: Monster Hunter: World - 7.63 (11)
208: Mario Kart 64 - 7.62 (46)
209: Crystalis - 7.61 (13)
210: Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos - 7.61 (18)
211: Life is Strange - 7.59 (34)
212: Stardew Valley - 7.58 (25)
213: Assassin's Creed II - 7.56 (25)
214: Banjo-Kazooie - 7.54 (36)
215: N++ - 7.53 (7)
216: Xenoblade Chronicles X - 7.53 (10)
217: Grim Fandango - 7.53 (19)
218: Rocket League - 7.52 (24)
219: Castle Crashers - 7.50 (10)
220: Golden Sun: The Lost Age - 7.49 (16)
221: Recettear: An Item Shops Tale - 7.49 (18)
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223: The World Ends with You - 7.47 (30)
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226: Worms Armageddon - 7.43 (20)
227: Final Fantasy IV - 7.43 (38)
228: Spyro 2: Riptos Rage - 7.42 (28)
229: VVVVVV - 7.42 (35)
230: Splatoon - 7.42 (6)
231: Contra - 7.41 (25)
232: Crash Bandicoot: Warped - 7.40 (27)
233: Jak II - 7.39 (15)
234: NBA Jam - 7.36 (23)
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236: Bayonetta - 7.35 (23)
237: Xenosaga Episode I - 7.33 (18)
238: Bomberman 64 - 7.32 (13)
239: Overwatch - 7.29 (16)
240: Ninja Gaiden II: The Dark Sword of Chaos - 7.28 (10)
241: Goldeneye 007 - 7.28 (28)
242: Diddy Kong Racing - 7.24 (28)
243: Octopath Traveler - 7.22 (23)
244: Mirror's Edge - 7.19 (18)
245: XIII (2003) - 7.18 (4)
246: Spider-Man and Venom: Maximum Carnage - 7.18 (8)
247: The Oregon Trail - 7.17 (13)
248: Final Fantasy VIII - 7.15 (45)
249: The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth - 7.14 (17)
250: Chrono Cross - 7.12 (25)
251: Kingdom Hearts - 7.12 (55)
252: Sonic Generations - 7.10 (23)
253: Borderlands - 7.07 (17)
254: Shadow of the Colossus - 7.05 (44)
255: Disney's Aladdin - 7.05 (30)
256: Golden Sun - 7.04 (36)
257: Super Mario Bros 2 - 6.97 (33)
258: Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc - 6.88 (33)
259: Sonic Adventure 2 - 6.88 (38)
260: River City Ransom - 6.87 (10)
261: Overcooked! - 6.76 (15)
262: Gears of War 2 - 6.68 (10)
263: Super Meat Boy - 6.64 (26)
264: Tecmo Super Bowl - 6.64 (16)
265: Mortal Kombat II - 6.63 (25)
266: Command & Conquer: Red Alert - 6.61 (8)
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271: Pokemon Sword / Shield - 6.47 (22)
272: Deathloop - 6.43 (15)
273: Killer Instinct (1994) - 6.40 (15)
274: Secret of Mana - 6.40 (21)
275: Drakengard 3 - 6.25 (4)
276: Super Mario Sunshine - 6.23 (36)
277: PUBG: Battlegrounds - 6.22 (9)
278: Final Fantasy XIII - 6.05 (41)
279: Hearthstone - 5.99 (15)
280: League of Legends - 5.90 (21)
281: Double Dragon II - 5.89 (13)
282: Wave Race 64 - 5.88 (24)
283: Mega Man 7 - 5.88 (25)
284: Donkey Kong 64 - 5.74 (36)
285: Dragon Warrior - 5.61 (21)
286: Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney - 5.58 (33)
287: Final Fantasy Tactics Advance - 5.51 (29)
288: Destiny - 5.48 (10)
289: Pokemon Go - 5.45 (32)
290: Fortnite - 5.28 (15)
291: Diablo IV - 4.40 (7)
292: Fallout 76 - 3.00 (5)
293: Devil May Cry 2 - 2.51 (21)
294: Sonic the Hedgehog (2006) - 2.27 (20)

Game 295 - Clair Obscur: Expedition 33
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bonus question: have we rated your personal top 3 games?

9/10

I freaking detest parrying and it's the worst part of any game that requires it but otherwise great / 10

notdave posted...

Twilight Princess outperformed Wind Waker

Success

notdave posted...

bonus question: have we rated your personal top 3 games?

FFVIII, FFX, and MGS3, so yes

Haven't played Clair Obscur, but it's something I'd like to get to eventually

i haven't decided whether to combine the two Mario Maker games in one rating, so we're missing that from my top 3

azuarc posted...

I freaking detest parrying and it's the worst part of any game that requires it but otherwise great / 10

I started it a couple weeks ago (had a work trip so didnt go too far) but honestly the parry stuff felt overblown to me. Gave me more Paper Mario/RPG style vibes than anything from the Souls games

maybe Ill go back now to see if it goes deeper

LiquidOshawott posted...

I started it a couple weeks ago (had a work trip so didnt go too far) but honestly the parry stuff felt overblown to me. Gave me more Paper Mario/RPG style vibes than anything from the Souls games

I made my opinion on this pretty clear in the Clair Obscur topic back when we had it, but I'll just encapsulate it here and then move on:

a) I have never been able to parry in any game ever. I can do anything else I might be asked to do as a gamer, but never parrying.
b) I don't like interruptions/interactivity to JRPG attacks in any game. It simply slows down the pace in the name of supposedly making things interesting, when all it does is punish you for not engaging with a mechanic that gets old after the third or fourth time you do it.
c) You "can" play without parrying, but not really. You'll get punished by status effects and usually by massive damage if you don't at least dodge.
d) The timing on dodge/parry is sometimes very clear and obvious once you learn to focus on the audio clues and the slowdown, but for many enemies it's very frustrating until you've fought them a whole pile of times...which is precisely the same moment you stop fighting them. Even then, you still have to twiddle your thumbs as you watch them bob and weave like a drunken master.

So basically, I'm bad at it and think it wastes time.

10

Leonhart4 posted...

Success

B8 got it right!

I've started Clair Obscur but didn't get very far yet. Check back in the end of September.

I own it, but I probably won't get to it until November or so

notdave posted...

bonus question: have we rated your personal top 3 games?

Nope. Only one of them (Dragon Quest V)

10/10

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9/10

Am I truly TP's only hater lol

7.5

10

One of the best games I've played in a while

8.9

I think of all the candidates for my top three games the only one missing is Valkyria Chronicles.

notdave posted...

bonus question: have we rated your personal top 3 games?

Still got Tekken 3 to rate for me.

notdave posted...

i haven't decided whether to combine the two Mario Maker games in one rating, so we're missing that from my top 3

I would keep the Mario Makers separate. There were some features in Mario Maker 2 IIRC that made it enough of a different game to its predecessor that they should be ranked individually.

Overwatch - 8
Portal - 8
Halo CE - 8

My top 3 games have all scored well on B8. Proud of you guys.

Paratroopa1 posted...

Am I truly TP's only hater lol

Don't worry, Ulti joined you

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My top 3 games are 3, 21 and 58 which i guess isn't bad

Haven't played this yet but I will before the year's out

Clair Obscur gets an 8

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azuarc posted...

I freaking detest parrying and it's the worst part of any game that requires it but otherwise great / 10

[3(3+3)-3/3] / (3-3/3)

That's 17/2 = 8.5.

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10

Rekindled a love for gaming that I hadnt felt since the Mass Effect trilogy and the PlayStation Final Fantasies.

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Nominate Lies of P

last time

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