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deoxxys 03/29/24 4:01:01 AM #1:	Microsoft urges developers not to create female characters with exaggerated body proportions on their official site to support game devs. The site, titled Product Inclusion Action: Help Customers Feel Seen includes a bullet list of considerations they urge developers to make when working on their product. One Twitter user pointed out the language expressly condemning certain female characters as reinforcing negative gender stereotypes. Are you reinforcing any negative gender stereotypes? Are you unnecessarily introducing gender & gender barriers into your code or design? Are you creating playable female characters that are equal in skill and ability to their male peers. Are your female characters equipped with clothing and armor that fits their tasks? Do they have exaggerated body proportions? When the story allows, do you show male characters who display a full range of emotions, including joy, sadness, and vulnerability? Recently, western game developers have been making a point to rally against objectification in games and are citing unrealistic beauty standards set by fictional characters. Most recently, Stellar Blade has been the subject of such criticism despite the games heroine being based off of a real life model. Between Microsofts developer site and Stellar Blade it seems theres been a reversal of roles. In recent years Sony has been criticized for its censorship policies after relocating its gaming business units to California. Gamers have been more vigilant in recent weeks following an attempted harassment campaign initiated by an employee of Sweet Baby Inc against a Steam curator and his personal account. The controversy has spilled over from the employees actions to a wider conversation about narrative consultation in video games. You can check out an archive of Microsofts developer page, including their comments about female characters here: https://archive.is/97j6H#selection-1017.0-1025.24 https://nichegamer.com/microsoft-cautions-developers-to-avoid-curvy-female-characters/ --- twylite sprinkle http://tinyurl.com/jeqyas3 https://tinyurl.com/mgvx7h2 <cite>deoxxys posted [p:979620783] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>Microsoft urges developers not to create female characters with exaggerated body proportions on their official site to support game devs.The site, titled Product Inclusion Action: Help Customers Feel Seen includes a bullet list of considerations they urge developers to make when working on their product. One Twitter user pointed out the language expressly condemning certain female characters as reinforcing negative gender stereotypes.Are you reinforcing any negative gender stereotypes?Are you unnecessarily introducing gender & gender barriers into your code or design?Are you creating playable female characters that are equal in skill and ability to their male peers. Are your female characters equipped with clothing and armor that fits their tasks? Do they have exaggerated body proportions? When the story allows, do you show male characters who display a full range of emotions, including joy, sadness, and vulnerability?Recently, western game developers have been making a point to rally against objectification in games and are citing unrealistic beauty standards set by fictional characters. Most recently, Stellar Blade has been the subject of such criticism despite the games heroine being based off of a real life model.Between Microsofts developer site and Stellar Blade it seems theres been a reversal of roles. In recent years Sony has been criticized for its censorship policies after relocating its gaming business units to California.Gamers have been more vigilant in recent weeks following an attempted harassment campaign initiated by an employee of Sweet Baby Inc against a Steam curator and his personal account. The controversy has spilled over from the employees actions to a wider conversation about narrative consultation in video games.You can check out an archive of Microsofts developer page, including their comments about female characters here:https://archive.is/97j6H#selection-1017.0-1025.24https://nichegamer.com/microsoft-cautions-developers-to-avoid-curvy-female-characters/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bnui_ransder 03/29/24 4:02:48 AM #2:	Make sure all of your games are firmly limited by reality as well, we don't want to introduce things impossible by current science --- http://bnuiransder.tumblr.com/ So much A R T <cite>bnui_ransder posted [p:979620793] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>Make sure all of your games are firmly limited by reality as well, we don't want to introduce things impossible by current science </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 03/29/24 4:04:45 AM #3:	That's stupid. Shut up M$, just because you're micro and soft doesn't mean I can't be macro and hard. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:979620803] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>That's stupid. Shut up M$, just because you're micro and soft doesn't mean I can't be macro and hard. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 03/29/24 4:07:11 AM #4:	When the story allows, do you show male characters who display a full range of emotions, including joy, sadness, and vulnerability? They'll get no credit for this, because everyone will be focused on 'as a 45 year old man, I can't cope without enormous tits in my videogames'. But in the light of the male suicide thread, I thought it was worth highlighting. --- 'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'. <cite>ai123 posted [p:979620809] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote><quote>When the story allows, do you show male characters who display a full range of emotions, including joy, sadness, and vulnerability?</quote>They'll get no credit for this, because everyone will be focused on 'as a 45 year old man, I can't cope without enormous tits in my videogames'.But in the light of the male suicide thread, I thought it was worth highlighting. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cobra1010 03/29/24 4:07:19 AM #5:	Americans telling the rest of the world what to do again. --- Load me into the matrix and dont pull the plug <cite>Cobra1010 posted [p:979620810] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>Americans telling the rest of the world what to do again. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dakimakura 03/29/24 4:07:36 AM #6:	Glad they are showing respect for us women --- Bees <cite>Dakimakura posted [p:979620811] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>Glad they are showing respect for us women </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NihonOctopus 03/29/24 4:26:37 AM #7:	This is why theyre losing the console war <cite>NihonOctopus posted [p:979620914] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>This is why theyre losing the console war</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoenix 03/29/24 4:28:01 AM #8:	Not like some women dont naturally have proportions these people would call exaggerated. As long as not literally every woman in a game is like that I don't see a problem. Not the same but similar take Fina fantasy 15 Cindy was really the only heavily sexualized woman. Dragoon chick at most showed cleavage. Every other woman dressed conservatively. --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process <cite>Sufferedphoenix posted [p:979620923] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>Not like some women dont naturally have proportions these people would call exaggerated. As long as not literally every woman in a game is like that I don't see a problem.Not the same but similar take Fina fantasy 15 Cindy was really the only heavily sexualized woman. Dragoon chick at most showed cleavage. Every other woman dressed conservatively. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
projectpat72988 03/29/24 4:29:13 AM #9:	I want all male characters to be 400 pounds. <cite>projectpat72988 posted [p:979620930] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>I want all male characters to be 400 pounds. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 03/29/24 4:30:59 AM #10:	projectpat72988 posted... I want all male characters to be 400 pounds. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8bdfdc8c.jpg --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:979620938] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>projectpat72988 posted... </cite><quote>I want all male characters to be 400 pounds.</quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8bdfdc8c.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PesticideDream 03/29/24 4:31:27 AM #11:	Imagine being a real life woman and being told that you aren't a realistic woman by these gaming companies. <cite>PesticideDream posted [p:979620940] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>Imagine being a real life woman and being told that you aren't a realistic woman by these gaming companies. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nukazie 03/29/24 4:33:01 AM #12:	ms should do this https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/48e12622.jpg --- We suffer from the delusion that the entire universe is held in order by the categories of human thought. <cite>Nukazie posted [p:979620945] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>ms should do thishttps://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/48e12622.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NihonOctopus 03/29/24 4:34:43 AM #13:	Nukazie posted... ms should do this lol <cite>NihonOctopus posted [p:979620951] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>Nukazie posted... </cite><quote>ms should do this</quote>lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 03/29/24 4:37:44 AM #14:	deoxxys posted... Gamers have been more vigilant in recent weeks following an attempted harassment campaign initiated by an employee of Sweet Baby Inc against a Steam curator and his personal account. ???? --- If you say I am wrong, then prove that you are right. <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:979620969] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>deoxxys posted... </cite><quote>Gamers have been more vigilant in recent weeks following an attempted harassment campaign initiated by an employee of Sweet Baby Inc against a Steam curator and his personal account.</quote>???? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
projectpat72988 03/29/24 4:39:16 AM #15:	PesticideDream posted... Imagine being a real life woman and being told that you aren't a realistic woman by these gaming companies. <cite>projectpat72988 posted [p:979620982] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>PesticideDream posted... </cite><quote>Imagine being a real life woman and being told that you aren't a realistic woman by these gaming companies.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
deoxxys 03/29/24 4:43:08 AM #16:	Sufferedphoenix posted... Not like some women dont naturally have proportions these people would call exaggerated. As long as not literally every woman in a game is like that I don't see a problem. To these people against this one woman being sexual is too much. There's lots of women like that in real life, that aren't even showing it off, the office lady in a sweater, the modestly dressed woman at the grocery store, etc. Some women just have calcium cannons you can't hide even when you dress modestly. Even athletic women have that GYATT https://youtu.be/uDzmFk4hgqw https://youtu.be/utrV_xeV-e4 https://youtu.be/2ItvHiWRM4E https://youtu.be/of8wBk-PANs --- twylite sprinkle http://tinyurl.com/jeqyas3 https://tinyurl.com/mgvx7h2 <cite>deoxxys posted [p:979621002] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>Sufferedphoenix posted... </cite><quote>Not like some women dont naturally have proportions these people would call exaggerated. As long as not literally every woman in a game is like that I don't see a problem.</quote>To these people against this one woman being sexual is too much. There's lots of women like that in real life, that aren't even showing it off, the office lady in a sweater, the modestly dressed woman at the grocery store, etc. Some women just have calcium cannons you can't hide even when you dress modestly.Even athletic women have that GYATThttps://youtu.be/uDzmFk4hgqwhttps://youtu.be/utrV_xeV-e4https://youtu.be/2ItvHiWRM4Ehttps://youtu.be/of8wBk-PANs </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 03/29/24 4:49:09 AM #17:	cjsdowg posted... ???? A company that advises devs on how to not offend players, had a list made of all the games they worked on. So that people who wished to avoid those games would know how to. The company got mad and tried to get the list maker's steam account banned <cite>Zikten posted [p:979621026] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>cjsdowg posted... </cite><quote>????</quote>A company that advises devs on how to not offend players, had a list made of all the games they worked on. So that people who wished to avoid those games would know how to. The company got mad and tried to get the list maker's steam account banned </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 03/29/24 4:50:51 AM #18:	deoxxys posted... To these people against this one woman being sexual is too much. There's lots of women like that in real life, that aren't even showing it off, the office lady in a sweater, the modestly dressed woman at the grocery store, etc. Some women just have calcium cannons you can't hide even when you dress modestly. Even athletic women have that GYATT https://youtu.be/uDzmFk4hgqw https://youtu.be/utrV_xeV-e4 https://youtu.be/2ItvHiWRM4E https://youtu.be/of8wBk-PANs Any kind of sport that involves a bit of sustained high output has women with incredible asses. Speedskating and polevaulting come to mind. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:979621034] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>deoxxys posted... </cite><quote>To these people against this one woman being sexual is too much. There's lots of women like that in real life, that aren't even showing it off, the office lady in a sweater, the modestly dressed woman at the grocery store, etc. Some women just have calcium cannons you can't hide even when you dress modestly.Even athletic women have that GYATThttps://youtu.be/uDzmFk4hgqwhttps://youtu.be/utrV_xeV-e4https://youtu.be/2ItvHiWRM4Ehttps://youtu.be/of8wBk-PANs</quote>Any kind of sport that involves a bit of sustained high output has women with incredible asses. Speedskating and polevaulting come to mind. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
deoxxys 03/29/24 4:51:17 AM #19:	cjsdowg posted... ???? Individuals who work with Sweet Baby Inc. have begun a harassment campaign against the creator of the Sweet Baby Inc. Detected Steam curator. The curation page is intended to inform users whether a game has relied on Sweet Babys narrative consultation service. Critics of Sweet Baby believe that their mission of promoting inclusivity is done at the expense of a games narrative quality. Meanwhile the Sweet Baby employees criticize the curator for being ideologically motivated against woke ppl and have mocked the curators attempts to legitimize their work by avoiding loaded language and instead focusing on informing consumers. The employees in question, Chris Kindred and Felix Kramer have both mentioned the curator, meanwhile Kindred has encouraged their followers to mass flag the curator, as well as his personal Steam account (seemingly to punish him). https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/1f62fd58.jpg https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f44890dd.jpg Kindred also claims that the curator runs afoul of Steams Code of Conduct which says interactions should not be abusive, disparaging, or inflammatory, nor create an environment that is unwelcoming. However as stated previously, the curator has been tidying up their page in order to focus on informing consumers. Kramer on the other hand, accuses the curator of being able to arbitrarily list any game they want as being involved with Sweet Baby and questions its accuracy and legitimacy. However the tweet has since received a community note which explains the curator uses Sweet Babys own website as a resource --- twylite sprinkle http://tinyurl.com/jeqyas3 https://tinyurl.com/mgvx7h2 <cite>deoxxys posted [p:979621036] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>cjsdowg posted... </cite><quote>????</quote>Individuals who work with Sweet Baby Inc. have begun a harassment campaign against the creator of the Sweet Baby Inc. Detected Steam curator.The curation page is intended to inform users whether a game has relied on Sweet Babys narrative consultation service.Critics of Sweet Baby believe that their mission of promoting inclusivity is done at the expense of a games narrative quality. Meanwhile the Sweet Baby employees criticize the curator for being ideologically motivated against woke ppl and have mocked the curators attempts to legitimize their work by avoiding loaded language and instead focusing on informing consumers.The employees in question, Chris Kindred and Felix Kramer have both mentioned the curator, meanwhile Kindred has encouraged their followers to mass flag the curator, as well as his personal Steam account (seemingly to punish him).https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/1f62fd58.jpghttps://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f44890dd.jpgKindred also claims that the curator runs afoul of Steams Code of Conduct which says interactions should not be abusive, disparaging, or inflammatory, nor create an environment that is unwelcoming. However as stated previously, the curator has been tidying up their page in order to focus on informing consumers.Kramer on the other hand, accuses the curator of being able to arbitrarily list any game they want as being involved with Sweet Baby and questions its accuracy and legitimacy. However the tweet has since received a community note which explains the curator uses Sweet Babys own website as a resource </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 03/29/24 4:55:52 AM #20:	I think steam came out and said the list doesn't break their rules. Personally I don't care about sweet baby. I will play a game even if they worked on it. They might have some takes I don't agree with but I'm not opposed to their games. One of them, Spider-Man 2, I plan to play eventually But I also heard that the Sweet Baby CEO tries to blackmail devs into using their service. Threatening them that they will be "canceled " if they refuse And the original Sweet Baby employee who started this feud seems like a troll. So I have no sympathy to the company <cite>Zikten posted [p:979621061] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>I think steam came out and said the list doesn't break their rules. Personally I don't care about sweet baby. I will play a game even if they worked on it. They might have some takes I don't agree with but I'm not opposed to their games. One of them, Spider-Man 2, I plan to play eventually But I also heard that the Sweet Baby CEO tries to blackmail devs into using their service. Threatening them that they will be "canceled " if they refuseAnd the original Sweet Baby employee who started this feud seems like a troll. So I have no sympathy to the company </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 03/29/24 5:05:27 AM #21:	deoxxys posted... Individuals who work with Sweet Baby Inc. have begun a harassment campaign against the creator of the Sweet Baby Inc. Detected Steam curator. It seems like both sides are trying to do the same thing to each other. --- If you say I am wrong, then prove that you are right. <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:979621106] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>deoxxys posted... </cite><quote>Individuals who work with Sweet Baby Inc. have begun a harassment campaign against the creator of the Sweet Baby Inc. Detected Steam curator.</quote>It seems like both sides are trying to do the same thing to each other. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cynrascal 03/29/24 5:05:30 AM #22:	ai123 posted... They'll get no credit for this, because everyone will be focused on 'as a 45 year old man, I can't cope without enormous tits in my videogames'. But in the light of the male suicide thread, I thought it was worth highlighting. Why not let both exist within the same media and the consumer pick what they want? --- Asocial, not introverted. Know the difference. Maybe those JRPGs villains were on to something about humanity being trash. <cite>Cynrascal posted [p:979621109] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>ai123 posted... </cite><quote>They'll get no credit for this, because everyone will be focused on 'as a 45 year old man, I can't cope without enormous tits in my videogames'.But in the light of the male suicide thread, I thought it was worth highlighting.</quote>Why not let both exist within the same media and the consumer pick what they want? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
action52 03/29/24 5:08:05 AM #23:	It's so hard to have discussions on things like this because so many gamers see all these things in absolute terms. If you say we should try to have more female characters that aren't sexualized people go "Oh, so female game characters can NEVER be SEXY?" If you say it's unrealistic to have games filled with female characters who all have tiny waists and giant boobs so maybe let's more variety of body types people go "Oh so if a REAL LIFE WOMAN has big boobs that means SHE'S NOT REALISTIC?" If you say we should avoid female characters with no agency who serve only as damsels in distress for the male protagonist to save, people say "Oh so NO MAN can ever help ANY WOMAN or it's sexist?" No one is expecting all games to follow all of the "rules" 100%. No one is saying games will be forced to follow them. There are no negative consequences for not following them. Are they even rules? More like suggestions. Seems to me like they're saying, hey, here are a bunch of guidelines, and maybe when you're making your games try to move a little bit in this direction? Thanks, we appreciate it. It's like people are intentionally missing the point and reducing everything to the stupidest terms possible just so we can't have real discussions. It's exhausting. --- "It's Brockin' time." Erin Brockovich, Erin Brockovich <cite>action52 posted [p:979621133] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>It's so hard to have discussions on things like this because so many gamers see all these things in absolute terms. If you say we should try to have more female characters that aren't sexualized people go "Oh, so female game characters can NEVER be SEXY?" If you say it's unrealistic to have games filled with female characters who all have tiny waists and giant boobs so maybe let's more variety of body types people go "Oh so if a REAL LIFE WOMAN has big boobs that means SHE'S NOT REALISTIC?" If you say we should avoid female characters with no agency who serve only as damsels in distress for the male protagonist to save, people say "Oh so NO MAN can ever help ANY WOMAN or it's sexist?" No one is expecting all games to follow all of the "rules" 100%. No one is saying games will be forced to follow them. There are no negative consequences for not following them. Are they even rules? More like suggestions. Seems to me like they're saying, hey, here are a bunch of guidelines, and maybe when you're making your games try to move a little bit in this direction? Thanks, we appreciate it. It's like people are intentionally missing the point and reducing everything to the stupidest terms possible just so we can't have real discussions. It's exhausting. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaiganeer 03/29/24 5:22:22 AM #24:	action52 posted... It's exhausting you know what's relaxing? watching polygonal tits jiggle <cite>Kaiganeer posted [p:979621195] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>action52 posted... </cite><quote>It's exhausting</quote>you know what's relaxing? watching polygonal tits jiggle</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NihonOctopus 03/29/24 5:34:19 AM #25:	Kaiganeer posted... you know what's relaxing? watching polygonal tits jiggle https://webmshare.com/play/LB66B <cite>NihonOctopus posted [p:979621264] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>Kaiganeer posted... </cite><quote>you know what's relaxing? watching polygonal tits jiggle</quote>https://webmshare.com/play/LB66B</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mistymermaid 03/29/24 5:40:44 AM #26:	deoxxys posted... Are your female characters equipped with clothing and armor that fits their tasks? Right here is the important part. We want EFFORT. If you're going to include steamy moments and skimpy costumes, integrate them more into the game's scenario. --- Swimming over the barrier to protect my egg. <cite>mistymermaid posted [p:979621301] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>deoxxys posted... </cite><quote>Are your female characters equipped with clothing and armor that fits their tasks?</quote>Right here is the important part. We want EFFORT. If you're going to include steamy moments and skimpy costumes, integrate them more into the game's scenario. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 03/29/24 5:44:39 AM #27:	deoxxys posted... Microsoft urges developers not to create female characters with exaggerated body proportions on their official site to support game devs. The site, titled Product Inclusion Action: Help Customers Feel Seen includes a bullet list of considerations they urge developers to make when working on their product. One Twitter user pointed out the language expressly condemning certain female characters as reinforcing negative gender stereotypes. <u>Are you reinforcing any negative gender stereotypes?</u> * Are you unnecessarily introducing gender & gender barriers into your code or design? * Are you creating playable female characters that are equal in skill and ability to their male peers. * Are your female characters equipped with clothing and armor that fits their tasks? * Do they have exaggerated body proportions? * When the story allows, do you show male characters who display a full range of emotions, including joy, sadness, and vulnerability? Recently, western game developers have been making a point to rally against objectification in games and are citing unrealistic beauty standards set by fictional characters. Most recently, Stellar Blade has been the subject of such criticism despite the games heroine being based off of a real life model. Between Microsofts developer site and Stellar Blade it seems theres been a reversal of roles. In recent years Sony has been criticized for its censorship policies after relocating its gaming business units to California. Gamers have been more vigilant in recent weeks following an attempted harassment campaign initiated by an employee of Sweet Baby Inc against a Steam curator and his personal account. The controversy has spilled over from the employees actions to a wider conversation about narrative consultation in video games. You can check out an archive of Microsofts developer page, including their comments about female characters here: https://archive.is/97j6H#selection-1017.0-1025.24 https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/9799771f.jpg Source: https://nichegamer.com/microsoft-cautions-developers-to-avoid-curvy-female-characters/ Resetera doesn't count. They have no influence even though they think they do. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms, Switch: SW-1900-5502-7912 <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:979621326] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>deoxxys posted...</cite><quote>Microsoft urges developers not to create female characters with exaggerated body proportions on their official site to support game devs.The site, titled Product Inclusion Action: Help Customers Feel Seen includes a bullet list of considerations they urge developers to make when working on their product. One Twitter user pointed out the language expressly condemning certain female characters as reinforcing negative gender stereotypes.<u>Are you reinforcing any negative gender stereotypes?</u>* Are you unnecessarily introducing gender & gender barriers into your code or design?* Are you creating playable female characters that are equal in skill and ability to their male peers.* Are your female characters equipped with clothing and armor that fits their tasks?* Do they have exaggerated body proportions?* When the story allows, do you show male characters who display a full range of emotions, including joy, sadness, and vulnerability?Recently, western game developers have been making a point to rally against objectification in games and are citing unrealistic beauty standards set by fictional characters. Most recently, Stellar Blade has been the subject of such criticism despite the games heroine being based off of a real life model.Between Microsofts developer site and Stellar Blade it seems theres been a reversal of roles. In recent years Sony has been criticized for its censorship policies after relocating its gaming business units to California.Gamers have been more vigilant in recent weeks following an attempted harassment campaign initiated by an employee of Sweet Baby Inc against a Steam curator and his personal account. The controversy has spilled over from the employees actions to a wider conversation about narrative consultation in video games.You can check out an archive of Microsofts developer page, including their comments about female characters here:https://archive.is/97j6H#selection-1017.0-1025.24https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/9799771f.jpgSource:https://nichegamer.com/microsoft-cautions-developers-to-avoid-curvy-female-characters/</quote>Resetera doesn't count. They have no influence even though they think they do. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rexcrk 03/29/24 5:52:32 AM #28:	Oh no, heaven forbid we have attractive women! Its not like there arent women who look like that either. --- Shplendid! <cite>rexcrk posted [p:979621374] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>Oh no, heaven forbid we have attractive women! Its not like there arent women who look like that either. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 03/29/24 5:58:34 AM #29:	Cynrascal posted... Why not let both exist within the same media and the consumer pick what they want? Not sure how this relates to what I was doing, which was to draw attention to the guidance on the portrayal of male characters. We've been through a thread of people correctly stating that the expectation that men conceal and suppress emotions is damaging. In light of this, I thought the guidelines could be a small positive step forward. --- 'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'. <cite>ai123 posted [p:979621408] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>Cynrascal posted... </cite><quote>Why not let both exist within the same media and the consumer pick what they want?</quote>Not sure how this relates to what I was doing, which was to draw attention to the guidance on the portrayal of male characters.We've been through a thread of people correctly stating that the expectation that men conceal and suppress emotions is damaging. In light of this, I thought the guidelines could be a small positive step forward. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lonestar2000 03/29/24 5:58:59 AM #30:	Only an incel would be bothered by these guidelines. --- Rumble Roses. Someone enters the room. Them: O_O Me: What?! I always play games without my pants on!- Inmate 922335 #ImpeachToadDickTrump <cite>Lonestar2000 posted [p:979621411] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>Only an incel would be bothered by these guidelines. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rosstin316 03/29/24 6:02:40 AM #31:	Its important that women in video games dont have exaggerated body proportions and are equipped with clothing and armor that fits their tasks. Women should be portrayed as they are. The next time they make a wild west video game they should use this cowgirl below as a template: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/10fd1663.jpg --- [This signature is viewable with an active GameFAQs Gold subscription.] <cite>Rosstin316 posted [p:979621430] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>Its important that women in video games dont have exaggerated body proportions and are equipped with clothing and armor that fits their tasks. Women should be portrayed as they are. The next time they make a wild west video game they should use this cowgirl below as a template:https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/10fd1663.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CrimsonGear80 03/29/24 6:12:07 AM #32:	deoxxys posted... Critics of Sweet Baby believe that their mission of promoting inclusivity is done at the expense of a games narrative quality. "critics" are just a bunch of incels who are whining and not understanding what that company actually does. --- PSN: ArsenalGear, NNID: CrimsonG80, XB GT: CrimsonG80 Last game(s) finished: Robocop: Rogue City (PS5), Star Wars Jedi: Survivor (PS5) <cite>CrimsonGear80 posted [p:979621485] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>deoxxys posted... </cite><quote>Critics of Sweet Baby believe that their mission of promoting inclusivity is done at the expense of a games narrative quality.</quote>"critics" are just a bunch of incels who are whining and not understanding what that company actually does. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vyrulisse 03/29/24 6:13:21 AM #33:	CrimsonGear80 posted... "critics" are just a bunch of incels who are whining and not understanding what that company actually does. We seen what they've done and it's not good. Simple as. The best thing about this Sweet Baby controversy is how it utterly exposed all sorts of journalists as dishonest gaslighters and grifters and exposed even worse companies in the same vein. It's refreshing to see people aren't falling for the "le evil gamergaters" bullshit this time around. --- http://i.imgur.com/6VeX04D.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7T2OR-O2Vk <cite>Vyrulisse posted [p:979621490] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>CrimsonGear80 posted... </cite><quote>"critics" are just a bunch of incels who are whining and not understanding what that company actually does.</quote>We seen what they've done and it's not good. Simple as.The best thing about this Sweet Baby controversy is how it utterly exposed all sorts of journalists as dishonest gaslighters and grifters and exposed even worse companies in the same vein. It's refreshing to see people aren't falling for the "le evil gamergaters" bullshit this time around. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mistymermaid 03/29/24 6:17:29 AM #34:	CrimsonGear80 posted... "critics" are just a bunch of incels who are whining and not understanding what that company actually does. What else is new? Those types misconstrue everything. There's an entire eroge industry for what they want. Smut doesn't need to be tacked onto mainstream games, totally off tone from the game's setting. --- Swimming over the barrier to protect my egg. <cite>mistymermaid posted [p:979621509] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>CrimsonGear80 posted... </cite><quote>"critics" are just a bunch of incels who are whining and not understanding what that company actually does.</quote>What else is new? Those types misconstrue everything. There's an entire eroge industry for what they want.Smut doesn't need to be tacked onto mainstream games, totally off tone from the game's setting. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CrimsonGear80 03/29/24 6:18:54 AM #35:	Vyrulisse posted... We seen what they've done and it's not good. Simple as. such as? Vyrulisse posted... The best thing about this Sweet Baby controversy is how it utterly exposed all sorts of journalists as dishonest gaslighters and grifters and exposed even worse companies in the same vein. It's refreshing to see people aren't falling for the "le evil gamergaters" bullshit this time around. the whole thing revolves around these "gamers" thinking they are stopping "sexy women" from being in all their video games. that's incel gamergate BS if I ever heard it... but let me guess, it's about "ethics in game journalism", right? --- PSN: ArsenalGear, NNID: CrimsonG80, XB GT: CrimsonG80 Last game(s) finished: Robocop: Rogue City (PS5), Star Wars Jedi: Survivor (PS5) <cite>CrimsonGear80 posted [p:979621515] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>Vyrulisse posted... </cite><quote>We seen what they've done and it's not good. Simple as.</quote>such as?Vyrulisse posted... </cite><quote>The best thing about this Sweet Baby controversy is how it utterly exposed all sorts of journalists as dishonest gaslighters and grifters and exposed even worse companies in the same vein. It's refreshing to see people aren't falling for the "le evil gamergaters" bullshit this time around.</quote>the whole thing revolves around these "gamers" thinking they are stopping "sexy women" from being in all their video games. that's incel gamergate BS if I ever heard it...but let me guess, it's about "ethics in game journalism", right? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mistymermaid 03/29/24 6:31:39 AM #36:	Besides, there's always modders. It's not my business what mods someone installs. --- Swimming over the barrier to protect my egg. <cite>mistymermaid posted [p:979621570] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>Besides, there's always modders. It's not my business what mods someone installs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 03/29/24 6:38:22 AM #37:	Sexist MS smh --- See profile pic <cite>Irony posted [p:979621593] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>Sexist MS smh </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Iodine 03/29/24 6:40:13 AM #38:	Its a video game why would they have to have realistic proportions? --- In Belichick we Trust <cite>Iodine posted [p:979621598] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>Its a video game why would they have to have realistic proportions? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GhostFaceLeaks 03/29/24 7:01:50 AM #39:	Humanity, specifically Western and especially American humans are sex negative and prudish by their very nature. So this isn't a surprise. I remember a survey done where many parents admitted they'd rather have their kids become serial killers than learn about sex at a young age from school if that tells you anything. --- "Do you like Scary movies?" <cite>GhostFaceLeaks posted [p:979621709] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>Humanity, specifically Western and especially American humans are sex negative and prudish by their very nature. So this isn't a surprise. I remember a survey done where many parents admitted they'd rather have their kids become serial killers than learn about sex at a young age from school if that tells you anything. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trelve 03/29/24 7:02:43 AM #40:	https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/70dfdfe2.jpg <cite>Trelve posted [p:979621715] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/70dfdfe2.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mistymermaid 03/29/24 7:09:03 AM #41:	GhostFaceLeaks posted... Humanity, specifically Western and especially American humans are sex negative and prudish by their very nature. So this isn't a surprise. I remember a survey done where many parents admitted they'd rather have their kids become serial killers than learn about sex at a young age from school if that tells you anything. I'm seeking an approach that maximizes freedom. While companies don't have to add or condone this material, players should not be stopped from modifying their own game for personal use. --- Swimming over the barrier to protect my egg. <cite>mistymermaid posted [p:979621752] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>GhostFaceLeaks posted... </cite><quote>Humanity, specifically Western and especially American humans are sex negative and prudish by their very nature. So this isn't a surprise. I remember a survey done where many parents admitted they'd rather have their kids become serial killers than learn about sex at a young age from school if that tells you anything.</quote>I'm seeking an approach that maximizes freedom. While companies don't have to add or condone this material, players should not be stopped from modifying their own game for personal use. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 03/29/24 7:21:04 AM #42:	GhostFaceLeaks posted... Humanity, specifically Western and especially American humans are sex negative and prudish by their very nature. So this isn't a surprise. I remember a survey done where many parents admitted they'd rather have their kids become serial killers than learn about sex at a young age from school if that tells you anything. Stop assuming that all people in the west are Republicans --- See profile pic <cite>Irony posted [p:979621828] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>GhostFaceLeaks posted... </cite><quote>Humanity, specifically Western and especially American humans are sex negative and prudish by their very nature. So this isn't a surprise. I remember a survey done where many parents admitted they'd rather have their kids become serial killers than learn about sex at a young age from school if that tells you anything.</quote>Stop assuming that all people in the west are Republicans </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_____Cait 03/29/24 7:23:41 AM #43:	Gamers are weird, they care more about seeing boobs and having their games match exactly with their weeb RPG dialogue. But if any piece of media makes fun of them, ohhhh boy. --- ORAS secret base: http://imgur.com/V9nAVrd 3DS friend code: 0173-1465-1236 <cite>_____Cait posted [p:979621838] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>Gamers are weird, they care more about seeing boobs and having their games match exactly with their weeb RPG dialogue.But if any piece of media makes fun of them, ohhhh boy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SugarFlakes 03/29/24 7:24:01 AM #44:	Iodine posted... Its a video game why would they have to have realistic proportions? That part. --- Boop <cite>SugarFlakes posted [p:979621840] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>Iodine posted... </cite><quote>Its a video game why would they have to have realistic proportions?</quote>That part. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mistymermaid 03/29/24 7:28:18 AM #45:	Irony posted... Stop assuming that all people in the west are Republicans Even the deepest blue Democratic states aren't especially accommodating to sex work. --- Swimming over the barrier to protect my egg. <cite>mistymermaid posted [p:979621884] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>Irony posted... </cite><quote>Stop assuming that all people in the west are Republicans</quote>Even the deepest blue Democratic states aren't especially accommodating to sex work. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Irony 03/29/24 7:35:05 AM #47:	mistymermaid posted... Even the deepest blue Democratic states aren't especially accommodating to sex work. There's a big difference between this and saying you'd rather your children be serial killers instead of learning about sex early --- See profile pic <cite>Irony posted [p:979621943] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>mistymermaid posted... </cite><quote>Even the deepest blue Democratic states aren't especially accommodating to sex work.</quote>There's a big difference between this and saying you'd rather your children be serial killers instead of learning about sex early </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 03/29/24 7:43:56 AM #48:	Vyrulisse posted... We seen what they've done and it's not good. Simple as. The best thing about this Sweet Baby controversy is how it utterly exposed all sorts of journalists as dishonest gaslighters and grifters and exposed even worse companies in the same vein. It's refreshing to see people aren't falling for the "le evil gamergaters" bullshit this time around. Lmao of course you support it --- Let's make biscuits! <cite>Funkydog posted [p:979622030] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>Vyrulisse posted... </cite><quote>We seen what they've done and it's not good. Simple as.The best thing about this Sweet Baby controversy is how it utterly exposed all sorts of journalists as dishonest gaslighters and grifters and exposed even worse companies in the same vein. It's refreshing to see people aren't falling for the "le evil gamergaters" bullshit this time around.</quote>Lmao of course you support it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DnDer 03/29/24 7:46:57 AM #49:	deoxxys posted... Most recently, Stellar Blade has been the subject of such criticism despite the games heroine being based off of a real life model. There's volumes of literature and research about the unreasonable (and often unhealthy) standards and expectations models and modeling set for media consumers. Stellar Blade might use a real woman, but she's not exactly a realistic woman to portray, and that's probably why it's caught so much flak. There's nothing terribly untoward in Microsoft's guidelines, in that light. --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 <cite>DnDer posted [p:979622061] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>deoxxys posted... </cite><quote>Most recently, Stellar Blade has been the subject of such criticism despite the games heroine being based off of a real life model.</quote>There's volumes of literature and research about the unreasonable (and often unhealthy) standards and expectations models and modeling set for media consumers.Stellar Blade might use a real woman, but she's not exactly a realistic woman to portray, and that's probably why it's caught so much flak.There's nothing terribly untoward in Microsoft's guidelines, in that light. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mistymermaid 03/29/24 7:58:36 AM #50:	Irony posted... There's a big difference between this and saying you'd rather your children be serial killers instead of learning about sex early Did you expect conservatives to say anything else? Their fixation on blocking sexual education, denying gender transition care, and the like, is a cover for their own perverse desires. --- Swimming over the barrier to protect my egg. <cite>mistymermaid posted [p:979622159] in MS urges d... [t:80733478]...</cite> <quote>Irony posted... </cite><quote>There's a big difference between this and saying you'd rather your children be serial killers instead of learning about sex early</quote>Did you expect conservatives to say anything else? Their fixation on blocking sexual education, denying gender transition care, and the like, is a cover for their own perverse desires. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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