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ai123
03/29/24 8:04:20 AM
#51:


A game doesn't include women with exaggerated proportions.

Gamers: that's outrageous! There are real women who look like that! Why are you discriminating against them?

A game includes women who are plain, average looking, and/or muscular (like Abby, who was based on an actual person).

Gamers: get that shit out of my videogames! This is supposed to be fantasy, not real life!

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NihonOctopus
03/29/24 8:12:39 AM
#52:


Microsoft:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4da1a6d1.jpg

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Crimsoness
03/29/24 8:22:02 AM
#53:


ai123 posted...
A game doesn't include women with exaggerated proportions.

Gamers: that's outrageous! There are real women who look like that! Why are you discriminating against them?

A game includes women who are plain, average looking, and/or muscular (like Abby, who was based on an actual person).

Gamers: get that shit out of my videogames! This is supposed to be fantasy, not real life!
It's almost like they don't actually care about women

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Solo_Wing
03/29/24 8:33:55 AM
#54:


I mean, they maybe giving out their games to Sony to justify the capital spent because their user base is so small and gamepass peaked without reaching sustainability, but hey, at least they're woke af. Might as well try and cater to modern audiences when you can't sell to general audience

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BignutzisBack
03/29/24 8:47:55 AM
#55:


NihonOctopus posted...
Microsoft:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4da1a6d1.jpg

lol

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deoxxys
03/29/24 9:02:28 AM
#56:


The point of the SBI controversy isn't about who's right or wrong. Game companies are free to make games how they like. But gamers are also free to buy the games they want.

So when gamers say they don't want to play a certain kind of game they're being attempted to be shut down, de-platformed and slandered as extremists that's were the shit hits the fan.

It's never right to send people death threats or dox them, but people disagreeing with you on the internet isn't harassment.

NihonOctopus posted...
Microsoft:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4da1a6d1.jpg

Also lol saved.

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Bass_X0
03/29/24 9:04:40 AM
#57:


Lonestar2000 posted...
Only an incel would be bothered by these guidelines.

even non-incels are bothered

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LeoRavus
03/29/24 9:06:16 AM
#58:


Maybe they're underestimating the number of people who may be influenced by a game's fappability. I doubt everyone who bought DOA Beach Volleyball did so for the amazing gameplay. This is especially rich coming from the home of exclusive DOA games that were full of tits bouncing everywhere.

Sex always has and always will sell.

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LonelyStoner
03/29/24 9:09:41 AM
#59:


PesticideDream posted...
Imagine being a real life woman and being told that you aren't a realistic woman by these gaming companies.


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Darkinsanity1
03/29/24 9:10:53 AM
#60:


I don't even like the exaggerated proportions that you see in games, but I still support it being in games and media because to stop it is just more censorship and there is too much of that these days.

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IShall_Run_Amok
03/29/24 9:13:39 AM
#61:


Microsoft peen more like, amirite fellas

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creativerealms
03/29/24 9:19:51 AM
#62:


People really read way too into this and fear monger it.

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Murphiroth
03/29/24 9:21:23 AM
#63:


You've really made this made up crusade your entire personality and it's sad.
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SocialistGamer
03/29/24 9:24:24 AM
#64:


Microsoft:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/859ba7f0.jpg

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loafy013
03/29/24 9:27:00 AM
#65:


Bass_X0 posted...
even non-incels are bothered
Press X to doubt.

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Bass_X0
03/29/24 9:28:31 AM
#66:


loafy013 posted...
Press X to doubt.

People who have sex also like to see attractive people in videogames.

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NihonOctopus
03/29/24 9:33:37 AM
#67:


SocialistGamer posted...
Microsoft:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/859ba7f0.jpg
lmao

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UnfairRepresent
03/29/24 9:41:37 AM
#68:


What's the betting that all the men all look like male models while rocking brickhouse abs and biceps the size of their head?

But a woman with large tits is harmful to body identity.

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McMarbles
03/29/24 9:51:54 AM
#69:


Bass_X0 posted...
People who have sex also like to see attractive people in videogames.
Not everyones idea of attractive people is grotesquely large breasts.

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NihonOctopus
03/29/24 9:52:52 AM
#70:


McMarbles posted...
Not everyones idea of attractive people is grotesquely large breasts.
Most people do tho >_> That's like saying "Not everyone's idea of a good desert is chocolate cake"

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8cfc5b1e.jpg

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2Pacavelli
03/29/24 9:54:30 AM
#72:


We should also reduce muscle sizes. Tekken 8 has me feeling insecure from unrealistic body goals

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OudeGeuze
03/29/24 9:55:26 AM
#73:


Guide posted...
That's stupid. Shut up M$, just because you're micro and soft doesn't mean I can't be macro and hard.
God like response

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Revelation34
03/29/24 9:58:12 AM
#74:


DnDer posted...


There's volumes of literature and research about the unreasonable (and often unhealthy) standards and expectations models and modeling set for media consumers.

Stellar Blade might use a real woman, but she's not exactly a realistic woman to portray, and that's probably why it's caught so much flak.

There's nothing terribly untoward in Microsoft's guidelines, in that light.



A real woman is most definitely not realistic.

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LeoRavus
03/29/24 10:00:25 AM
#75:


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I dunno. Horizon FW is full of fatties and they made Aloy ugly. I think this is some universal shit.

Seriously I don't think I've ever seen this many overweight people in a single game.

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NihonOctopus
03/29/24 10:07:09 AM
#76:


LeoRavus posted...
Horizon FW is full of fatties and they made Aloy ugly.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/28a85623.jpg

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DuneMan
03/29/24 10:09:21 AM
#77:


Trelve posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/70dfdfe2.jpg
There's a wide gulf between this and, say, making characters with "balloon tits" that are dressed like strippers.

I think it is informative to see what the average person does in games that have character creators when determining where to put the goal for general design. It's a fact that the average person creates "attractive" characters. So many games will feature characters in prominent roles that are seen as "attractive".

There isn't really anything wrong if a game goes for a 'mildly attractive' approach.

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streamofthesky
03/29/24 10:11:00 AM
#78:


Get fucked Microsoft. I'm so glad your gaming division is utterly tanking. Normally more competition is a good thing, but you've been a cancer on console gaming for two decades now, always the tip of the spear on nearly every horrible change to console gaming.

Also gotta love how no one ever complains about all the dudes who could only look so insanely jacked as they do in games if they were downing tons of steroids daily, but a regular healthy woman w/ nice T&A is "unrealistic" and gets a legion of critics.
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Revelation34
03/29/24 10:15:40 AM
#79:


streamofthesky posted...
Get fucked Microsoft. I'm so glad your gaming division is utterly tanking. Normally more competition is a good thing, but you've been a cancer on console gaming for two decades now, always the tip of the spear on nearly every horrible change to console gaming.

Also gotta love how no one ever complains about all the dudes who could only look so insanely jacked as they do in games if they were downing tons of steroids daily, but a regular healthy woman w/ nice T&A is "unrealistic" and gets a legion of critics.


Bring back Sega.

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Unknown5uspect
03/29/24 10:29:14 AM
#80:


streamofthesky posted...
Also gotta love how no one ever complains about all the dudes who could only look so insanely jacked as they do in games if they were downing tons of steroids daily, but a regular healthy woman w/ nice T&A is "unrealistic" and gets a legion of critics.
What? People have been saying this shit since at least the 360 gen.

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Torgo
03/29/24 10:33:14 AM
#81:


If anyone thinks this is because MS is "woke" you are a fool.

They want more female gamers, and this is what they think will draw them in.

They need female gamers now because the capitalist economic growth model requires increased market share all the time, and there's no male gamers left to tap... at this point every male that could possibly be a gamer is a gamer.

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viewmaster_pi
03/29/24 10:37:12 AM
#82:


Torgo posted...
They want more female gamers, and this is what they think will draw them in.
i have news for anyone who thinks female gamers don't like big tits and anime and vtubers and all that

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Dungeater
03/29/24 10:37:40 AM
#83:


how do these people type all this shit out and not reflect on themselves about it

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CSCA33
03/29/24 10:39:39 AM
#84:


God forbid devs are encouraged to engage thoughtful consideration about what they create

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action52
03/29/24 11:17:36 AM
#85:


deoxxys posted...
So when gamers say they don't want to play a certain kind of game they're being attempted to be shut down, de-platformed and slandered as extremists that's were the shit hits the fan.
Wow, that's terrible! It would be a real problem if it were actually happening.

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IShall_Run_Amok
03/29/24 11:21:35 AM
#86:


viewmaster_pi posted...
i have news for anyone who thinks female gamers don't like big tits and anime and vtubers and all that
Soulless corporations believe the same nonsensical sexless things about women as the stupid "gamers" who whine about the SJWs and "the woke", I wonder why that is.

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Zonbei
03/29/24 11:32:05 AM
#87:


action52 posted...
It's so hard to have discussions on things like this because so many gamers see all these things in absolute terms.

If you say we should try to have more female characters that aren't sexualized people go "Oh, so female game characters can NEVER be SEXY?"

If you say it's unrealistic to have games filled with female characters who all have tiny waists and giant boobs so maybe let's more variety of body types people go "Oh so if a REAL LIFE WOMAN has big boobs that means SHE'S NOT REALISTIC?"

If you say we should avoid female characters with no agency who serve only as damsels in distress for the male protagonist to save, people say "Oh so NO MAN can ever help ANY WOMAN or it's sexist?"

No one is expecting all games to follow all of the "rules" 100%. No one is saying games will be forced to follow them. There are no negative consequences for not following them. Are they even rules? More like suggestions. Seems to me like they're saying, hey, here are a bunch of guidelines, and maybe when you're making your games try to move a little bit in this direction? Thanks, we appreciate it.

It's like people are intentionally missing the point and reducing everything to the stupidest terms possible just so we can't have real discussions. It's exhausting.

They have the same ulterior motive as every person who has ever stood in the way of social progress. They probably dont even know it and its all unconscious, but theyre threatened by the removal of privilege.

Now I get to see a bunch of dudes freak out because I said the P word.

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Zonbei
03/29/24 11:34:01 AM
#88:


streamofthesky posted...
Get fucked Microsoft. I'm so glad your gaming division is utterly tanking. Normally more competition is a good thing, but you've been a cancer on console gaming for two decades now, always the tip of the spear on nearly every horrible change to console gaming.

Also gotta love how no one ever complains about all the dudes who could only look so insanely jacked as they do in games if they were downing tons of steroids daily, but a regular healthy woman w/ nice T&A is "unrealistic" and gets a legion of critics.

You realize the main group concerned with getting rid of unhealthy body standards for men is feminists. Right? People complain about that all the time bud, you just dont listen to them.

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Zonbei
03/29/24 11:35:41 AM
#89:


NihonOctopus posted...
Most people do tho >_> That's like saying "Not everyone's idea of a good desert is chocolate cake"

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8cfc5b1e.jpg

My ex hated chocolate. And personally, Im more of a butt/hips/thighs/face person. You dont need big boobs to be attractive.

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Zonbei
03/29/24 11:36:45 AM
#90:


UnfairRepresent posted...
What's the betting that all the men all look like male models while rocking brickhouse abs and biceps the size of their head?

But a woman with large tits is harmful to body identity.

That first things also harmful to body identity. Welcome to feminism 101. Turns out we care about men and harmful stereotypes about them, too.

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Dakimakura
03/29/24 11:38:07 AM
#91:


Mods should just lock this topic now to save people from all the incoming weird melties.

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Sufferedphoenix
03/29/24 11:44:57 AM
#92:


Zonbei posted...
That first things also harmful to body identity. Welcome to feminism 101. Turns out we care about men and harmful stereotypes about them, too.
Thing is men dont cry about it. I've never liked when people get offended on someone else's behalf when that group isn't even bothered by it.

And that's even giving the benefit of the doubt cause I only see it brought up as a counter argument to this.

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NoxObscuras
03/29/24 11:48:19 AM
#93:


All of that is perfectly reasonable. This is really making a mountain out of a molehill. Why even be outraged by this?

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Zonbei
03/29/24 11:50:54 AM
#94:


Sufferedphoenix posted...
Thing is men dont cry about it. I've never liked when people get offended on someone else's behalf when that group isn't even bothered by it.

And that's even giving the benefit of the doubt cause I only see it brought up as a counter argument to this.

Men were literally JUST crying about it. (Which is fine, men are allowed to cry.)
men: nobody cares about unrealistic male body standards!
evil woke feminists: we do actually
you: nobody asked

bro.

as for your point that you only see it brought up as a counter argument, uh. How often do you listen to actual feminists and have conversations with them about things like this? Because breaking down toxic masculinity is sort of their whole thing and it helps men too.

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NihonOctopus
03/29/24 11:51:45 AM
#95:


Zonbei posted...
My ex hated chocolate. And personally, Im more of a butt/hips/thighs/face person. You dont need big boobs to be attractive.
You're on the losing side

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/738fa4cc.jpg


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Seaman_Prime
03/29/24 11:53:01 AM
#96:


NihonOctopus posted...
Microsoft:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4da1a6d1.jpg
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viewmaster_pi
03/29/24 11:53:59 AM
#97:


NihonOctopus posted...
You're on the losing side
we're all on the losing side as far as western AAA publishers are concerned

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Zonbei
03/29/24 11:54:21 AM
#98:


NihonOctopus posted...
You're on the losing side

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/738fa4cc.jpg

Correct ideas always have to struggle against the wrong ones at the start.

:p

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NihonOctopus
03/29/24 11:55:31 AM
#99:


Zonbei posted...
Correct ideas always have to struggle against the wrong ones at the start.

:p
Your idea isnt correct tho. Prove to us that butts are better

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kage_53
03/29/24 11:59:50 AM
#100:


I kind of agree. I remember when I first played soul caliber 2 when it came out and I was smh at Taki and Ivy.
NihonOctopus posted...
Your idea isnt correct tho. Prove to us that butts are better
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