Board 8 > Simpsons Mafia topic 2: D'oh, here's your new topic!

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Enchantress posted...

Very odd. You'd think you like at least thing this entire day.

A gigantic heaping plate of plain rice for a last meal is still a last meal.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b2615a00.jpg

bro pulling out some proverbs in his defense now lmao

absolute nonsense, but entertaining nonsense

i am pleased

Lmao

He's only riffing on my teasing him about purple prose earlier, but I seriously do love this game.

But if laughing time is over, it's extremely unnatural to not even have a weak town lean on someone. JC claimed town self confirmable, JC isn't on Isquen's entirely flavour based suspect list, but also not even a town lean? It reeks of someone not wanting to commit to faking reads for fear of being caught out. I don't believe someone's only opinion this game can be "Wallz claimed to be town mafia, the audacity of that bitch"

Yeah if Isquen said wallz is audacious, bodacious and salacious, now that would be believable. Instead here we are.

Isquen let's join Kirby on JC

This is the way

##Unvote:
##Vote: JC

Lea making an excuse to wagon Isquen because he posted a pathetic meme is noted

Lopen posted...

Lea making an excuse to wagon Isquen because he posted a pathetic meme is noted

This is an egregious misrepresentation of all the things I said.

I want to be generous and say he may be trying to actually suspect someone now
Isquen that is.
But the fact that his case is still founded on the initial 'bad claim' argument, kinda takes the wind out of his sails.

Isquen posted...

Still think Ulti's claim is dumb though. Flanders, sure. Mechanically, it stinks.

The mechanical aspects of his claim were not the reason you voted Ulti to begin with tho.

It was the catalyst for your vote

I do not recall you pushing for Isquen till the other two did

Yes, Isquen showing up and making scummy posts did in fact change my opinion on Isquen. I was in fact agreeing with you and Chang until Isquen actually showed up and bombed hard. By reducing it to "Lea voted him because she didn't like this meme :(" it completely glosses over me not liking his return to the game to say he has absolutely no updates, no town reads, but he still doesn't like Wallz claiming Fat Tony.

Lopen defending Isquen because he voted Ulti, even though he voted Ulti for the silliest possible reason is noted.

A vote on Ulti is a vote on Ulti stupid reason or not

I don't think Isquen if paired with Ulti votes him for that

The big thing to suspect Ulti for at the time was his claim

I don't think a scummate would push looking further at his claim

I largely think Isquen is town because he voted Ulti but I think Ulti is scum for more than what Isquen said

Sultan won Star Trek mafia for fake claiming what Ulti did in a profoundly unhelpful way so I don't exactly love the claim, but I'm not gonna clear Isquen for the weakest vote of all time. He's capable of voting teammates. If anything, Isquen's post there made people want to look at Ulti less out of empathetic embarrassment.

Interestingly Lea posted the only completely silly meme in response to Ulti's claim

Me Chang and FD posted actual objections to the claim in our memes

Lea then used the image of the cowboy guy to say Ulti claims glorified vanillas all the time (he does?)

Not saying Lea is scum but it's worth thinking about if the game goes long

(And if Ulti flips scum of course)

(He will)

Lopen posted...

The big thing to suspect Ulti for at the time was his claim

I don't think a scummate would push looking further at his claim

How can you say this and then give Isquen town equity for voting Ulti for a weak reason completely other than his claim

He just got mislynched in Isquen's Dead by Daylight mafia for not realizing he was a vanilla. And before that in SSBU mafia he got mislynched for not grokking he had a super over powered scanner role that wasn't a glorified vanilla. It's a pattern.

wallmasterz posted...

voting Ulti for a weak reason completely other than his claim

Didn't he literally vote him because he claimed Ned Flanders ie his claim

Lopen posted...

Didn't he literally vote him because he claimed Ned Flanders ie his claim

The questionable part of Ultis claim was the role not the flavor tho

wallmasterz posted...

The questionable part of Ultis claim was the role not the flavor tho

Irrelevant that the reason was "wrong" it's still calling attention to the claim. It gets people to look at the claim again so it's still not something a scummate does imo.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I have a weird role again, but Ive been beaten down into depressed submission multiple times whenever I get weird roles and try to figure them out publicly. Lesson learned.

And I refuse to allow a Justin lynch.

but what's so weird about it if it's as you claimed?

It singlehandedly poisoned FD's brain to the point he still only cares about completing a list of who has a repeat flavour or not. Devasting play tbqh

Lopen posted...

Irrelevant that the reason was "wrong" it's still calling attention to the claim. It gets people to look at the claim again so it's still not something a scummate does imo.

I disagree. Youre drawing attention to the claim and then people are going oh ok its not a problem nothing to see here

Its not like it relaunched some big convo about how Ultis role worked that was already exhausted

Im not sure what to make of ulti, but Ultis alignment doesnt matter here. The point is from my view this wouldnt give Isquen town equity regardless of Ultis alignment

If poisoning FD's brain makes him make spreadsheets he's had enough poison for a lifetime already

Often his game info spreadsheets are genuinely helpful. This one is not, especially to the exclusion of all else.

I do love a good spreadsheet. I have zero availability for new short term memory.

It's a useful spreadsheet it just has one dumb column on it

unnecessary column. we don't need to use 4 letter words.

Lopen posted...

Irrelevant that the reason was "wrong" it's still calling attention to the claim. It gets people to look at the claim again so it's still not something a scummate does imo.

Drew my attention more towards isquen really

You have to wonder why Ulti town reads JC that hard if it's not just blatant power wolfing

can someone confirm for me that ultis claim is still standing at "targets a player and does nothing to them" (with no confirmation that its involuntary even though that would sorta need to be).

Just say he's claiming town drunk, it's so much easier

Enchantress posted...

Just say he's claiming town drunk, it's so much easier

that's what that is, specifically?

I don't love that connected to "Ned Flanders". But I'm not going to play that game.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

So you're claiming to be vanilla both in role-name and function?

I'm an idiot and don't understand this question. What part of Death's claim didn't make perfect sense? Lenny and Carl were the name and Vanilla was the 'function'? What am I missing here?

As a corollary I don't get Ben's praise for FD and Lopen give I just don't understand the question here.

Oh and FD my flavour is not on the old list.

unsolicited list of opinions

1. Corrik - hasn't done anything offensive since showing up, need to see more I liked his offhand comment about ctes saying him showing up late made him look town
2. Death - I'm confused about the discussion after his claim, and why there ended up being a need to clarify beyond Vanilla. Gut says I'd be fine lynching him but I don't want to bark up his tree again yet since he's claimed.
3. FD - agree with Lea's comment that he comes across as a bit more secretarial than playing
4. IGCD/MZero - need MZero to say things
5. Isquen - no real read yet
6. JC - hi that's me
7. Kirby - I would be leaning town if he didn't explicitly say he wasn't keen on pursuing me further, before pursuing me further. Why the change of heart Kirby, especially given your self-admitting that I'm not even your top scumspect?
8. Lea - I've seen Lea hop around on lynches halfheartedly as town before, hard to get a read.
9. Lopen - loud town taking the shotgun approach.
10. Red - policy lynch red. are we taking his vig claim seriously? honestly unsure
11. Sbell - notwithstanding his claim, which i don't have a lean on either way, i think he's playing very town.
12. Ulti - i'm inherently skeptical of nothingburgers but no red flags on Ulti so far. The last time there were red flags and I pushed an Ulti lynch he was town. Does that mean anything? I don't know.
13. Wallz - Part of the Isquen push seemed like you picked who you wanted to build a case on instead of building a case and making judgment at the end. but there is an earnestness to it despite that. neutral.
14. Ben - no real read yet
15. Ctes - lots of content that just seem like discussion for the sake of discussion. post 93 of this topic is v scummy to me. you're a better player than thinking showing up late is an indication that someone is more likely to be town than not. and for relatively arbitrary criteria that list was narrowed down a bit too much. Isquen vote seems weak. not a fan of ctes at the moment.
16. Chang - feels light on content but I like his soft Isquen defense

##vote: ctes

It's the role that randomly visits a player and does nothing, ie, miller for movement scanners. It's what Sultan fake claimed in your Star Trek mafia to singlehandedly win as track proof scum. Ulti didn't explicitly say this, but I don't think any other interpretation is possible based on what's been stated so far.

Enchantress posted...

It's the role that randomly visits a player and does nothing, ie, miller for movement scanners. It's what Sultan fake claimed in your Star Trek mafia to singlehandedly win as track proof scum. Ulti didn't explicitly say this, but I don't think any other interpretation is possible based on what's been stated so far.

This is my biggest concern. If Ulti is scum he gets huge benefits out of our blind faith.

Enchantress posted...

It's the role that randomly visits a player and does nothing, ie, miller for movement scanners. It's what Sultan fake claimed in your Star Trek mafia to singlehandedly win as track proof scum. Ulti didn't explicitly say this, but I don't think any other interpretation is possible based on what's been stated so far.

ahh. Thank you. I don't love it.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I'm lacking a bit of direction, so let's first narrow the field down a bit. Most claims or half-claims were kinda botched and makes them not seem well considered. Talking about Ulti, SBell, JC, Wallz and Death here, I haven't made out what to think of Red's. It's seems towny to me. If I'm wrong about anyone of those five, I'd guess JC. I pushed for Wallz' myself and I was quite satisfied with what that lead to, I didn't expect him to end up making sense. The way the claims arne't being considered makes them somwhat towny. I thought Death looked a bit too flailing for my taste at first, but then he did the same thing with his claim and it looks towny. Death doesn't correct himself like that right away as scum, either he would have planned better or he wouldn't really know what he was being asked for. Chances are pretty great that's an all town conversation, Ben pointing this out is also a good point in his favor. Also kind of a lame argument but I honestly think Kirby and Corrik not showing up for that long makes them more likely to be town.

4. IGCD
5. Isquen
8. Lea
10. Red
16. Chang

That narrowed it down more than I thought, amazing if that's it. Not saying it has to be, we'll see what happens, but this is where I wanna dig.

for easy reference this is the ctes post i actively dislike

Chaeix posted...

This is my biggest concern. If Ulti is scum he gets huge benefits out of our blind faith.

It really feels bad to have to trust a claim out of blind faith

What Isquen has done since we tried to push it has been useless but haven't made me like him any less, on the contrary it's not out of line with his weird town tells. I don't think I'm getting any further with this anyway

##unvote
##vote: chang

That defense of Isquen was trash, two votes pushing activity and it's suddenly we do the same d1 always even though we found out that isn't even true. Besides, he invited this vote himself.

Enchantress posted...

It really feels bad to have to trust a claim out of blind faith

careful you might get tetanus on my post

Chaeix posted...

for easy reference this is the ctes post i actively dislike

The worst part of this Ctes post is definitely him believing Red actually claimed vigilante and thinking it's towny directly after saying how much he refuses to ever claim

Enchantress posted...

The worst part of this Ctes post is definitely him believing Red actually claimed vigilante and thinking it's towny directly after saying how much he refuses to ever claim

immediately before including red on his narrowed down list of what i can only assume are scumspects

Enchantress posted...

The worst part of this Ctes post is definitely him believing Red actually claimed vigilante and thinking it's towny directly after saying how much he refuses to ever claim

Okay that didn't happen.

Oh wait it's pretty apparent how it came off like that

ctesjbuvf posted...

Okay that didn't happen.

"Most claims or half-claims were kinda botched and makes them not seem well considered. Talking about Ulti, SBell, JC, Wallz and Death here, I haven't made out what to think of Red's. It's seems towny to me."

Did I misread this?