Board 8 > Super Smash Bros. Mafia - Topic 10: PK Fire

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Corrik7
05/31/23 12:39:55 PM
#151:


Or anyone tell me what he claimed. I wanna see something

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Corrik7
05/31/23 12:42:57 PM
#153:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Night 2 - 2 beetles out, only the deku nut back. I genuinely thought Lea was the roleblocker and made a misplay, plus the BG claim with choice of targeting was weird.

Night 3 - High beetle out, special flag/action/priority whatever back. Mafia can target dead town with a backup role.
The item you got back night 3 was target dead town with backup role?

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MZero
05/31/23 12:44:48 PM
#154:


what happened to the resurrect part?

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Obellisk
05/31/23 12:45:19 PM
#155:


but didn't he use the backup on Night 3?

Does that mean you don't find out until a night later?

So what if you used something Night 1? You'd find out nothing?

So convenient you didn't use it night 1 then right?

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Corrik7
05/31/23 12:49:28 PM
#156:


Okay let's shits and giggles act like no bypass and this is all legitimate information.

The nut was a roleblock you said. Wallz claimed roleblocked.

Thus every other action we know happened would have to be town.

Lea going to mzero had to be town.
Cody tracking Lea had to be town.

Plums action wasn't confirmed but it was accurate night 1.
Sbells action was an assist and wouldn't show I guess.

Chris gave a fish and thus that's not a scum item. We knew that already.

Chang all the sudden says he activated his eye or something night 2. Unconfirmable though convenient after the fact.

Sheep didn't say if moved that night I think but unconfirmable regardless.
Mzero I think says he doesnt move so invalid.
Crescent did you say when you bus drove?

So if ulti is legit... it confirms Chris not scum. Cody town.

I guess that's actually it.

That's night 2.

Night 3. Ulti you saw exactly 1 action total? Or you saw at least one? You had one beetle right?

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Obellisk
05/31/23 1:00:45 PM
#157:


Question:

Ulti said 2 beetles Night 2. and a High Beetle Night 3.

What were the 2 beetles priorities from Night 2?

Whats the purpose of the priorities if you send out a High and get back a Special (which btw is not part of the 3 tier priority system that was given to us).

Feels like you keep moving the goal posts on this one Ulti.

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MZero
05/31/23 1:04:41 PM
#158:


Obellisk posted...
Question:

Ulti said 2 beetles Night 2. and a High Beetle Night 3.

What were the 2 beetles priorities from Night 2?

Whats the purpose of the priorities if you send out a High and get back a Special (which btw is not part of the 3 tier priority system that was given to us).

Feels like you keep moving the goal posts on this one Ulti.

He claimed one high and one normal Night 2

and now he's claiming that the item was a Special Flag, when before it was called Resurrect with Special priority

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Obellisk
05/31/23 1:10:44 PM
#159:


So the Deku nut came back as High or Normal?
And Ulti said that the Deku Nut also told him that it stood for a Roleblock?
(And then we had town claim they were roleblocked) so for all we know Ulti sent out a roleblock.

Further reading into Smash Wiki, i'm not seeing a correlation between the Special Flag (S-Flag) and a resurrect ability. Like Deku Nut :: Roleblock, ok. I see that. But this one, not so much.

Also mentioning again that linking the back-up role of cody's from Night 2 to Ulti's Beetle Night 3 doesn't make any sense.


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MZero
05/31/23 1:14:14 PM
#160:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Let me claim my actual role, full honesty, yet again.

Town clairvoyant. At the end of each DAY PHASE, I get a beetle in my inventory. I can choose to send it out to scout the scum team. I pick one of the 3 priorities (high, normal, low). I can do this for each beetle if I have multiple. If it sees an item used, I see it. If it does NOT see an item used, an item the scum team used is randomly selected from other priorities. More on this in a second.

On night 1, I did nothing. Every single thing I discussed with Chris yesterday was absolute bullshit. If you want to kill me for that, I understand and I won't argue. I melted down a little because I think my role is neat and wanted to stay alive. I think that's a little defensible, but hey.

On night 2, I had 2 beetles. I sent both out, one high and one normal. The "high" beetle returned a Deku Nut, and I was told what it did. Target stunned, but no passive abilities are stopped. This is almost assuredly telling me that Lea is their roleblocker so we kill her today and move on.

The normal beetle returned nothing. Zero. No items. This means scum has a ninja something-or-other (possible given watchers and trackers and me going around) or only used the Deku Nut last night.

This leads to a lot of easy conclusions. Unless Goldeens are ninja fish, Chris is confirmed town and if he's scum we lynch Kirby. Who even cares. SBell is confirmed town.

Cody, MZero, Wallz, and Plum are like 99% confirmed town unless scum is self targeting to trick us. Possible, but we don't consider that today. Occulam's Razor.

If you guys stop the BS and just listen to me and Corrik, the POE becomes impossible to lose from -- Chang, Corrik, Crescent, Lea, and Red (sorry Corrik, just being thorough!).

Lynch Lea -> Crescent -> Red -> Chang in that order and we almost assuredly win. If you have to kill me to confirm my role and this lynch order, I won't argue with anyone about it anymore. Just do it tomorrow after Roleblocker Lea dies so town power can finish things off.

Listen to the correct POE and learn from last game.



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Obellisk
05/31/23 1:19:58 PM
#161:


Thank you MZero.

So whats the point of priorities if he's going to get something back regardless?

In what world do you not use a Beetle Night 1? The Night that scum is most likely to use them.

There is clearly no advantageous reason to hold onto a Beetle.

Why make a new dynamic for the scum team "Items instead of Abilities" if you are going to make a Town Role that will see every time they use an Item?

This all sounds like a not very well constructed lie with all the "Buts and Howevers"

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Corrik7
05/31/23 1:21:15 PM
#162:


Wallz woulda had to be town via hit by the scum roleblock

Sbell now says he doesn't act but assists do so that wouldn't show I'd think.

Plum wasn't confirming on night 2 but was on night 1.

Cody was confirming.
Chris was confirming.

The only thing that ulti clears if legit is that Chris and Cody are not scum.

Then night 3, ulti says Cody is scum? But Cody says he didn't act?

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Obellisk
05/31/23 1:24:56 PM
#163:


Corrik7 posted...
Sbell now says he doesn't act but assists do so that wouldn't show I'd think.

The Assist Trophy would show. SBell would not.

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Corrik7
05/31/23 1:29:49 PM
#164:


Obellisk posted...
The Assist Trophy would show. SBell would not.
Yeah i don't think your assist is using an item. It's clearly a bypass to the role.

Uh uh. Not bullshitting your way to being confirmed there. Nice try.

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MZero
05/31/23 1:30:33 PM
#165:


##Vote: Ulti

good night. Do the right thing town. I believe in you

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Corrik7
05/31/23 1:31:52 PM
#166:


3 people with 1 vote at possible mylo. Ugh

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Obellisk
05/31/23 1:32:16 PM
#167:


Ulti says:
Cody, MZero, Wallz, and Plum are like 99% confirmed town unless scum is self targeting to trick us. Possible, but we don't consider that today. Occulam's Razor.

But even if scum is self targeting, Ulti still should have seen the items being used. Throwing this line of thought into this version of his claim feels like scum ulti is just looking to devil advocate his own claim. As if he's already thought of all the answers, except they all contradict each other.

I'm not just not feeling good on this one. I didn't feel good about lynching Marth (i was right). I dind't feel good about lynching Lea's BG claim (i was right). I don't feel good about Ulti being town.

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Obellisk
05/31/23 1:33:32 PM
#168:


Corrik7 posted...
Yeah i don't think your assist is using an item. It's clearly a bypass to the role.

Uh uh. Not bullshitting your way to being confirmed there. Nice try.

I dont think my assist is using an item either. I'm a summoner. I summon the Assist Trophy and it does the action.

I'm not trying to bullshit my way into your heart Corrik, I just want to make sure you have all the pertinent information for you to make the best decision you can.

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Kirby321
05/31/23 1:34:53 PM
#169:


Gleaming Faintly as Votals Dwindle from Sight
[1] Corrik - (Chang), Chang
[1] Ulti - (Dumey), (MZero), (Crescent), MZero
[0] Chang - (Corrik)
[0] Cody - (Ulti), (Dumey)
[0] Crescent - (Sheep)
[0] Sheep - (Corrik)

With 10 players, it takes 6 votes to lynch. Day ends on Wednesday at 7 PM EDT, approximately 5.5 hours from now.

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Corrik7
05/31/23 1:36:35 PM
#170:


Oh I unvoted Chang. Still seems the right way.

Okay sbell. Let's say that's right. And ulti is legit all the way through. And you and Cody and Chris are confirmed not scum. I don't believe this, but let's say I do.

Who is the scum team?

Chang, Crescent, Sheep, Plum, Mzero is all your left in the pool at that point.

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Corrik7
05/31/23 1:37:45 PM
#171:


I would need 4 of those most likely, but I feel pretty confident there is only 3 in there.

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Obellisk
05/31/23 1:43:24 PM
#172:


Changs claim is questionable. His use of it and the way he speaks about his role comes across like he knows the way he's played doesn't match with the claim he's making which in turn, feels fake.

Plum has been triggering my scumdar for days. Lots of little things. Not calling me loud town. Really coming after me for absolutely no reason. His choice to watch Chris night 2. This is why I roleblocked him. I think the player slot is scum, it just sucks at the moment that I don't 100% hate dumey.

a third? I'm not sure. If you are telling me there is 4 in that pile then i'd likely not lynch MZero out of that pool of 5.

However I do not think that Ulti is legit. So i'd pull right now Ulti, Changmas, EDumey(Plum) and then we've got 1 in Crescent/Sheep/MZero/Corrik.?

Maybe Cody is actually scums ninja and he did act Night 1 and I just failed to see him?

We are in an unfortunate state where the claimed night actions don't really shed any light and only create more confusion

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Corrik7
05/31/23 1:44:34 PM
#173:


I think everyone has to start with whether ulti is town and work from there.

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Crescent-Moon
05/31/23 2:26:32 PM
#174:


Obellisk posted...
So the Deku nut came back as High or Normal?
And Ulti said that the Deku Nut also told him that it stood for a Roleblock?
(And then we had town claim they were roleblocked) so for all we know Ulti sent out a roleblock.

Further reading into Smash Wiki, i'm not seeing a correlation between the Special Flag (S-Flag) and a resurrect ability. Like Deku Nut :: Roleblock, ok. I see that. But this one, not so much.

Also mentioning again that linking the back-up role of cody's from Night 2 to Ulti's Beetle Night 3 doesn't make any sense.
Wall claimed roleblocked before Ulti claimed the beetle thing, not after. Chris specifically called him out on this. I feel like the only reason he backed off of Cody was how much resistance/lack of momentum the lynch had. He was deadset on still lynching him long after it had been pointed out it made no sense.

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Obellisk
05/31/23 2:41:49 PM
#175:


Im good with lynching Ulti here.

A) Thinking you have a cool role and wanting to be able to play it for many days does not correlate to him trying to eat a bullet Night 1.

B) If he's town and his role is legit and its as convoluted as he makes it out to be with all the ifs, buts and howevers, then he fucked up this game by doing whatever it is he was trying to do and his ultimate mislynch is his to own and not anyone elses fault.

C) I was convinced he was scum Day 1 before he became a raging ass hat and I was told to move along by the rest of the game. The only reason i've had him as town at any point this game is because others said he was clearly town.

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Obellisk
05/31/23 2:44:15 PM
#178:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Its the roles fault tbh. I have no hard feelings if I get mislynched because I would have lynched this role days ago.


ehhh... you need to take some responsibility on this one if you are town. You made it extremely hard to believe anything you said this game.

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Crescent-Moon
05/31/23 2:45:51 PM
#179:


Obellisk posted...
Im good with lynching Ulti here.

A) Thinking you have a cool role and wanting to be able to play it for many days does not correlate to him trying to eat a bullet Night 1.

B) If he's town and his role is legit and its as convoluted as he makes it out to be with all the ifs, buts and howevers, then he fucked up this game by doing whatever it is he was trying to do and his ultimate mislynch is his to own and not anyone elses fault.

C) I was convinced he was scum Day 1 before he became a raging ass hat and I was told to move along by the rest of the game. The only reason i've had him as town at any point this game is because others said he was clearly town.
I have not seen a single compelling argument for Ulti being town, and I still think Cody was a direct attempt at a mislynch.

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Obellisk
05/31/23 2:52:19 PM
#182:


why didn't you beetle night 1?

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Obellisk
05/31/23 2:57:03 PM
#184:


UltimaterializerX posted...
My role lets me store them. I wanted to send out multiple on night 2 or 3.


why?

what good did you think that would do?

You knew nothing odd the setup except that scum had items and that eveything had priorities.

You knew your role exposed scum item use regardless of what priority you sent out.

Your reason for not acting night 1 is poor, it's poor for "town ulti"

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Obellisk
05/31/23 2:57:20 PM
#185:


of the setup*

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Obellisk
05/31/23 2:58:35 PM
#186:


ESPECIALLY after you stated day 1 that if it came down to a lynch between marth and joyrock you absolutely are killing marth, and then you were stone cold Wrong.

What world does town ulti then not try to catch scum night action?

that doesn't track.

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Corrik7
05/31/23 3:07:42 PM
#187:


Where is everybody

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SirChris
05/31/23 3:08:08 PM
#188:


Obellisk posted...
ESPECIALLY after you stated day 1 that if it came down to a lynch between marth and joyrock you absolutely are killing marth, and then you were stone cold Wrong.

What world does town ulti then not try to catch scum night action?

that doesn't track.

I find it hard to believe ulti who knows joyrock is scum makes that direct statement tbh

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SirChris
05/31/23 3:08:20 PM
#189:


Also corrik what is your claim

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Crescent-Moon
05/31/23 3:11:23 PM
#190:


Ulti's end of day 1:

Calls Marth scum a lot
Shades Wall a lot, tries to special him, then tries to reignite the special later.
Calls Plum scum a lot (But doesn't vote him. Plum never received a vote all day.)
Vetoes a special on me

The only post in topic 3 he has that mentions Joyrock is the post where he says he'll kill Marth over him. Reminds me of what I saw in Chang's ISO where didn't mention him at all before saying he leaned Joyrock over Marth.

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SirChris
05/31/23 3:13:02 PM
#191:


Ulti has posta in topic 2 about joyrock that I found relevant

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Obellisk
05/31/23 3:15:43 PM
#192:


why is Chris now defending ulti when so many people are saying he's the optimum lynch when Chris himself has been saying ultibmust be scum

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Corrik7
05/31/23 3:16:20 PM
#193:


SirChris posted...
Also corrik what is your claim
Irrelevant

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EDumey
05/31/23 3:16:36 PM
#194:


I feel like Corrik didn't read my Chang post because he went over a lot of the same stuff I did, albeit coming to a different overall conclusion.

Also Chang didn't reply to my question, so I also think Chang didn't read my Chang post.

This is sad.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80460603

To repeat the question for Chang, I'd really like to know why his opinion on the Red/Sheep slot changed so dramatically because I didn't see anything in my ISO to explain that, though I could have missed it since it was late at night when I did it.

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Corrik7
05/31/23 3:16:49 PM
#195:


##vote: Chang

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Corrik7
05/31/23 3:17:31 PM
#196:


EDumey posted...
I feel like Corrik didn't read my Chang post because he went over a lot of the same stuff I did, albeit coming to a different overall conclusion.

Also Chang didn't reply to my question, so I also think Chang didn't read my Chang post.

This is sad.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80460603

To repeat the question for Chang, I'd really like to know why his opinion on the Red/Sheep slot changed so dramatically because I didn't see anything in my ISO to explain that, though I could have missed it since it was late at night when I did it.
I guess not

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Crescent-Moon
05/31/23 3:17:52 PM
#197:


SirChris posted...
Ulti has posta in topic 2 about joyrock that I found relevant
Outside of post #447 where he attacks Marth for voting Joyrock, Ulti never mentions Joyrock in a single post in topic 2.

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EDumey
05/31/23 3:17:56 PM
#198:


Corrik7 posted...
Irrelevant

I was fine with you holding your Vanilla claim last game because it was fairly obvious. But in a game where everyone seems to be some kind of power, I really think this looks bad for you. This is just like Ctes holding off on his claim because he wasn't sure if he would need to fake claim something specific later, that was proven in scum chat after the game was what was happening.

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SirChris
05/31/23 3:19:30 PM
#199:


Corrik7 posted...
Irrelevant
Corrik I will vote you out of principle. You know I l don't bluff. I will vote you and leave thread if you don't claim

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Crescent-Moon
05/31/23 3:20:33 PM
#200:


Crescent-Moon posted...
Outside of post #447 where he attacks Marth for voting Joyrock, Ulti never mentions Joyrock in a single post in topic 2.
Which means the only two posts Ulti ever mentions Joyrock in in both topic 2 and 3 combined are indirectly defending him by attacking Marth. He never gives a read or argument of any sort directed at Joyrock.

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