Board 8 > Super Smash Bros. Mafia - Topic 10: PK Fire

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SirChris posted...

Corrik I will vote you out of principle. You know I l don't bluff. I will vote you and leave thread if you don't claim

And if you are town, you can lose. I don't really give a fuck. I have my reasons.

EDumey posted...

I was fine with you holding your Vanilla claim last game because it was fairly obvious. But in a game where everyone seems to be some kind of power, I really think this looks bad for you. This is just like Ctes holding off on his claim because he wasn't sure if he would need to fake claim something specific later, that was proven in scum chat after the game was what was happening.

Please don't put me on ctes level again lol.

Alright np

###voe: corrik

btw crescent topic 2 ulti mentioning joyrock

UltimaterializerX posted...

He wouldnt know what on brand means for either of us, nor would he know Reds normal day one behavior. Its been what, over a decade since hes played here?

Im giving him the usual day one new/returning pass but Id lynch him on the spot for that if this was day 2+

SirChris posted...

Alright np

###voe: corrik

btw crescent topic 2 ulti mentioning joyrock

Oh I was specifically looking for the word "joyrock" in his posts.

See you guys tomorrow if there is one

Aight we probably have 3 scum and Chris is just a trash indy. That makes things a bit easier. For understanding poe at least.

Imma go find out if Ulti pulled a Chang and completely ignored Joyrock existed for most of day 2.

Have fun with Corrik in the meantime I guess

Edumey, I am surprised your conclusion on Chang is different. There is only one singular post I think chang looks somewhat okay on but that's literally it.

Corrik7 posted...

Please don't put me on ctes level again lol.

Ctes is a fine player. This smugness is misdirected.

Separate question for you Corrik, since you were evaluating Ulti's claim a bit more seriously and went on your idea of assuming everything is truthful about his claim, review my post
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80460603/973826511
and tell me what you think of his second beetle coming back with no item used despite the rules fairly clearly stating that each scum can use an item every night.

Corrik7 posted...

Aight we probably have 3 scum and Chris is just a trash indy

host states this is a game of town blue team vs. scum red team.

I'd like to believe our host wouldn't then insert an indy to the mix

Corrik7 posted...

Edumey, I am surprised your conclusion on Chang is different. There is only one singular post I think chang looks somewhat okay on but that's literally it.

I think the thing Chang looks the worst on are those two posts in Topic five where he devalues/misdirects from Joyrock. That's the most damning thing on his record. But the way he's interacted with Ulti/Cody claims, the way he's talked to people, and his general read on the game being wrong because of Lea not giving enough of a defense all makes sense from a town perspective from me.

If he doesn't give a good response to the Sheep/Red thing, then I'll also add him OMGUS'ing Sheep and you as pretty negative behaviors against him as well. I did clearly state I think nobody should be removing Chang from PoE at this point. Anyone giving Chang a pass because he was on Joyrock D1 is not evaluating the game honestly.

EDumey posted...

Ctes is a fine player. This smugness is misdirected.

Separate question for you Corrik, since you were evaluating Ulti's claim a bit more seriously and went on your idea of assuming everything is truthful about his claim, review my post
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80460603/973826511
and tell me what you think of his second beetle coming back with no item used despite the rules fairly clearly stating that each scum can use an item every night.

That is why I am more incredulous in the belief that this role could exist without a check to it.

Let's say one put the night kill in. One used an item the roleblock. What did the other scum do? 1 was dead. Chris all but told us there is only 3 left I guess. Or he is playing like a baby who didn't get his way. I'm assuming higher maturity though.

Is there a reason where scum wouldn't want to act? And then... doesn't ultis role become arguably broken? Or does one scum have an ability where their items are unseen (which is why I have been kinda looking at sbell and his assists, roleblock of the watcher claim, and also shot of the doctor. )

I still think Ulti is town. And if I were scum, it would be so easy to flip that on its head and say he was scum if he were town. For me to be scum here, you kinda have to think I'm trying to save my scum partner ulti. Which, um, holy hell how does this claim ever come out if I am on his team.

I stated day 2 I believe that i felt ulti was town but his logic and play are impossible to follow and make little sense.

Anyways, Ulti did not mention Joyrock in a single post in topics 4 or 5 that I could find. I get the general vibe that scum wanted to keep him under the radar day 2.

You should not assume higher maturity I am firmly in my villain Era atm and I care more about mafia policy than I do winning this game.

Obellisk posted...

host states this is a game of town blue team vs. scum red team.

I'd like to believe our host wouldn't then insert an indy to the mix

I mean, a host isn't gonna say the game has an indy. It's almost unheard of, Sbell.

The only thing I am not doing is losing to scum corrik who didn't claim.

Full stop

SirChris posted...

You should not assume higher maturity I am firmly in my villain Era atm and I care more about mafia policy than I do winning this game.

Well, then I wish you hadn't escaped what your fate shoulda been day 2 because throwing a game for not getting your way is pathetic frankly. You have plenty to evaluate my alignment in this game. My claim doesn't serve town's purpose at this time.

Corrik7 posted...

Well, then I wish you hadn't escaped what your fate shoulda been day 2 because throwing a game for not getting your way is pathetic frankly. You have plenty to evaluate my alignment in this game. My claim doesn't serve town's purpose at this time.

Why not?

Oh well I have lost more games than most of you have participated in.

Let's light this candle

Obellisk posted...

host states this is a game of town blue team vs. scum red team.

I'd like to believe our host wouldn't then insert an indy to the mix

Green Team would fit an indy flavorwise, but indy talk right now is a waste of time and a distraction we don't need.

Okay anyways.

That doesn't seem like a valid answer to "Why not?"

Crescent-Moon posted...

Green Team would fit an indy flavorwise, but indy talk right now is a waste of time and a distraction we don't need.

I think we have to kinda assume Chris is trying to protect people he gave fish to for indy reasons and not town reasons. It's stupid to say, but I think me on Chang is specifically why Chris seems to be swinging towards me.

I have frankly more respect for the player in general to throw unless it's not really a throw but a tactic.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Why not?

There is no reason to answer that or I woulda just claimed outright obviously.

Idk it took me playing inappropriately to even get one scum over so I don't mind just going with a policy lynch and if it ends the game it's not a big deal its just a game that I got overly emotional about and we can move on with our lives.

Corrik7 posted...

I think we have to kinda assume Chris is trying to protect people he gave fish to for indy reasons and not town reasons. It's stupid to say, but I think me on Chang is specifically why Chris seems to be swinging towards me.

I have frankly more respect for the player in general to throw unless it's not really a throw but a tactic.

It is pretty stupid considering I am the one that started the suspicion on chang today

Also we all know it is scum who worry about indies lol

SirChris posted...

Idk it took me playing inappropriately to even get one scum over so I don't mind just going with a policy lynch and if it ends the game it's not a big deal its just a game that I got overly emotional about and we can move on with our lives.

If you say so.

Anyways, I think it's a better idea to find scum. If we were policy lynching, you are literally rule 1.

Corrik is scum gg is being audacious.

Vote stays gn

Ok while these two are butting egos I think I'm just going to go make some tea.

Corrik7 posted...

I think we have to kinda assume Chris is trying to protect people he gave fish to for indy reasons and not town reasons. It's stupid to say, but I think me on Chang is specifically why Chris seems to be swinging towards me.

I have frankly more respect for the player in general to throw unless it's not really a throw but a tactic.

Was Chris himself not just swinging toward Chang in this topic?

SirChris posted...

Corrik is scum gg is being audacious.

Vote stays gn

Good night.

EDumey posted...

Was Chris himself not just swinging toward Chang in this topic?

Seems pretty disingenuous in the last 10 minutes, don't you think?

Corrik7 posted...

I mean, a host isn't gonna say the game has an indy. It's almost unheard of, Sbell.

of course, it just felt very spelled out for us what the make up of the game is. that's all.

SirChris posted...

and I care more about mafia policy than I do winning this game.

yet here you sit, still playing this game.

I think it's clear I'm also eyeballing you for not claiming. But being that it's possibly MYLO, I don't care to follow the "policy lynch" and would like to try and win the game, something Chris was vocal about before about not wanting to lose games.

I'm not going to vote you today Corrik, because I think Ulti is the standout choice I can't ignore. But if this game is still going and you either don't claim later or your claim doesn't make sense to why you're holding out now, then I will support your lynch with prejudice.

What are the battle lines looking like right now?

Want Ulti dead
Crescent
MZero
Dumey

Want Cody dead
Ulti

Want Chang dead
Corrik
Chris (technically)

Want Corrik dead
Chris (policy)
Sheep
Chang

Where were SBell and Cody sitting?

Ulti no longer wants Cody I think.

And, yes, I have reason not to claim today. It's understandable to question it.

I'd say Mzero, you, Crescent, and Sbell? Are amenable to voting ulti. I am hard against voting ulti. I believe Chris is also.

Chang, Chris are voting me.. also I don't remember if both votes are down but if Chris is town and Chang isn't scum a scum rush is about to end this game.

I want Chang, Crescent seems open to Chang.

Not sure what Cody wants.

Oh and sheep wants me to you said

I want Ulti dead
I want Plum dead but am torn by the edumeyness of the day
I am fence sitting with changmas
I am starting to fence sit Chris again.

don't see how in a possible Mylo situation a policy lynch makes a lick of sense.

I'm in the Want Ulti dead camp, apologies if that wasn't clear. Nothing I've read since I posted last night has changed my thoughts on that.

Was there any real reason behind the Lea push other than disagreeing with night action choices?

Obellisk posted...

Was there any real reason behind the Lea push other than disagreeing with night action choices?

I worked backwards from confirmations that woulda happened if she were scum based on things she said this game to affirm my read of her. Basically. She like rolled over tho.

Right now I think my overall reads looks something like
Leaning Town: Chris, Cody, Crescent, MZero
Neutral: Chang, SBell (context wants me to believe town, but I hate the claim)
Leaning Scum: Corrik, Sheep, Ulti

Part of me thinks Corrik and Ulti are not scum together, but Corrik fighting for a Chang lynch instead of Ulti could link them together here. If there are 4 scum left, then Chang or SBell seems to easily move down into PoE. If Corrik is opposite alignment of Ulti, then it's probably Cody if Ulti is town, or otherwise I'm wrong on Crescent or MZero, but neither of them are being lynched today.

As people have said before me, the PoE is very wide still, so it's hard to make strict arguments based on this. But based on the people I think are leaning town, and where they currently are voting, I feel like the people that want Ulti dead are also the people that I think are probably the most town. Which makes sense as those players are going off of Ulti's inconsistencies and not pushing personality reads.

With three hours left in the day, I think I'm going to commit to this vote.

##Vote: Ulti

If MZero and Crescent both consider Chang as a serious vote, then I will too, but I'm staying with my town reads for now.

Mzero went to sleep and his vote is locked.

No voes allowed, Chris. Only vais.
(If that was an attempt to vote, the format is not correct and does not count.)

No Escape, No Greater Votals to be Made
[2] Ulti - (Dumey), (MZero), (Crescent), MZero, Dumey
[1] Chang - (Corrik), Corrik
[1] Corrik - (Chang), Chang
[0] Cody - (Ulti), (Dumey)
[0] Crescent - (Sheep)
[0] Sheep - (Corrik)

With 10 players, it takes 6 votes to lynch. Day ends on Wednesday at 7 PM EDT, less than 3 hours from now.

Obellisk posted...

Was there any real reason behind the Lea push other than disagreeing with night action choices?

From my reread, it was Plum pushing a personality read that Lea's views weren't changing or evolving through the game, and then Lea not being present and really only making one big post all of D3 that got her killed for 'rolling over'.

I think she got frustrated with the game because of the emotional minefield that it became the first couple of days (Crescent dealing with personal stuff and being a no-go for D1, Chris telling her off for how she was interacting with him, etc.). But her leaving the game I think is the main reason why D3 went down with very little combativeness.

Kirby321 posted...

No voes allowed, Chris. Only vais.
(If that was an attempt to vote, the format is not correct and does not count.)

Gleaming Faintly as Votals Dwindle from Sight
[2] Ulti - (Dumey), (MZero), (Crescent), MZero, Dumey
[1] Chang - (Corrik), Corrik
[1] Corrik - (Chang), Chang
[0] Cody - (Ulti), (Dumey)
[0] Crescent - (Sheep)
[0] Sheep - (Corrik)

With 10 players, it takes 6 votes to lynch. Day ends on Wednesday at 7 PM EDT, less than 3 hours from now.

Omg if scum woulda rushed me there and that happened I woulda lost it. Lololololol

yeah the roll over was hard to get past. I just didn't recall what she did originally to earn the hate.

And I can't remember anyone other than myself accepting that a BG claim with such weak protection made sense.

Obellisk posted...

yeah the roll over was hard to get past. I just didn't recall what she did originally to earn the hate.

And I can't remember anyone other than myself accepting that a BG claim with such weak protection made sense.

She made a post about Marth while pandering to Chris. That's what sent off the initial salvos.

Still looks scummy to me even now.

not that I'm tooting my horn. I shot the weak doc.

Isn't pandering to Chris normal for Lea though