Board 8 > Super Smash Bros. Mafia - Topic 10: PK Fire

(+) Yeah! (+)

Crescent-Moon posted...

Isn't pandering to Chris normal for Lea though

Didn't like the way it was incorporated into a post for no reason about Marth.

But anyways there's a decent chance Chang is also scum, yes. I feel like of all the players in the game, Chang is the one who's had the least of a stance regarding Ulti. They took opposite sides of defending Joyrock late in day 1 without much fanfare, and spent most of day 2 completely avoiding him. Chang's progression at the end of day 1 feels like he playing for appearances rather than to hunt scum.

On another note, Ulti's second given reason to special wall was "There was zero reason to call this a town/town lynch", yet he made zero effort at all to pressure the other wagon on day 2?

I don't think there's a single four-man scum team I can construct in my head that doesn't include Sheep. Not suggesting a swap to him right now, but just noting for the future. I feel like the only time Sheep is town is if there's only three scum left.

Crescent-Moon posted...

But anyways there's a decent chance Chang is also scum, yes. I feel like of all the players in the game, Chang is the one who's had the least of a stance regarding Ulti. They took opposite sides of defending Joyrock late in day 1 without much fanfare, and spent most of day 2 completely avoiding him. Chang's progression at the end of day 1 feels like he playing for appearances rather than to hunt scum.

On another note, Ulti's second given reason to special wall was "There was zero reason to call this a town/town lynch", yet he made zero effort at all to pressure the other wagon on day 2?

He was implying at least on the surface that wall had tmi

EDumey posted...

I don't think there's a single four-man scum team I can construct in my head that doesn't include Sheep. Not suggesting a swap to him right now, but just noting for the future. I feel like the only time Sheep is town is if there's only three scum left.

I don't think there is a 3 or 4 man team without Chang on it.

Sheep isn't much better tho to be fair.

What did mzero ever say about joyrock

I feel like we've hit the point where everyone has said their piece and I'm about to be gone for a at least an hour but I should be back fairly well before deadline if there's anything left to discuss. I haven't seen anything convincing me that Ulti isn't the Occam's Razor play.

##Vote: Ulti

Seriously let's not totally screw this up and do something stupid like lynching Cody.

SirChris posted...

What did mzero ever say about joyrock

I don't know but I'll look when I get back

Felt good about MZero much of the time though.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Seriously let's not totally screw this up and do something stupid like lynching Cody.

second time you've eluded to the lynching of cody as if it was ever on the table today.

EDumey posted...

I feel like Corrik didn't read my Chang post because he went over a lot of the same stuff I did, albeit coming to a different overall conclusion.

Also Chang didn't reply to my question, so I also think Chang didn't read my Chang post.

This is sad.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80460603

To repeat the question for Chang, I'd really like to know why his opinion on the Red/Sheep slot changed so dramatically because I didn't see anything in my ISO to explain that, though I could have missed it since it was late at night when I did it.

Hi sorry i missed this earlier and i know this is not a particularly satisfying answer but its mostly the player swap of sheep for red. i am and perhaps overly so, willing to put up with some nonsense from red in a way Im less willing to do for sheep. general afkness (especially today now!) is something i have come to expect from red and feel generally unbothered by, and when sheep came in and basically launched in a different direction entirely i didnt particularly like it ( i mean, of course it was directly at me but that was not the #1 issue to me). Like i feel the continuity in positions for you and plum is more along the same wavelength whereas that doesnt exist the same way for red and sheep. although i think through it now and it seems like that would be a point more in favor of sheep town and you scum, as it would be easier to keep things consistent when you have a team to fall in line with. but i guess Im just not that into the new sheep in the slot. Im contradicting myself in this explanation a bit but idk thats just what my brain is gonna do

and secondly in the wake of lea dying and red/sheep having been her top and perhaps singularly most confident read i am more willing to take fully seriously her opinion on that slot

changmas posted...

Like i feel the continuity in positions for you and plum is more along the same wavelength whereas that doesnt exist the same way for red and sheep.

Nope. Plum said I was like the most town person in the game. Said to give me a gun. Etc. Edumey came in and suspected me right away.

I think my issue is the level of confidence you ascribed. The explanation you just gave me reads as a "town lean on red, and sheep back into the PoE" situation. But you used language like "near guaranteed scum".

Corrik7 posted...

Nope. Plum said I was like the most town person in the game. Said to give me a gun. Etc. Edumey came in and suspected me right away.

I did go back and read Plum's game knowing that he was town, but that doesn't mean I agree with every take he had, especially after he was very loud wrong about Lea!

But as far as "continuity" goes, I do think it is important for replacees to go back and look at their replaced player's takes because they are the one person who 100% knows their alignment. But that may just be a mafia philosophy thing rather than a town/scum thing.

EDumey posted...

I think my issue is the level of confidence you ascribed. The explanation you just gave me reads as a "town lean on red, and sheep back into the PoE" situation. But you used language like "near guaranteed scum".

I did go back and read Plum's game knowing that he was town, but that doesn't mean I agree with every take he had, especially after he was very loud wrong about Lea!

But as far as "continuity" goes, I do think it is important for replacees to go back and look at their replaced player's takes because they are the one person who 100% knows their alignment. But that may just be a mafia philosophy thing rather than a town/scum thing.

that was today after the lea flip though

yesterday i wasnt nearly so black and white

EDumey posted...

I think my issue is the level of confidence you ascribed. The explanation you just gave me reads as a "town lean on red, and sheep back into the PoE" situation. But you used language like "near guaranteed scum".

I did go back and read Plum's game knowing that he was town, but that doesn't mean I agree with every take he had, especially after he was very loud wrong about Lea!

But as far as "continuity" goes, I do think it is important for replacees to go back and look at their replaced player's takes because they are the one person who 100% knows their alignment. But that may just be a mafia philosophy thing rather than a town/scum thing.

I do agree mafia would follow a continuity more than replacing town.

Either scum on ulti or not mylo.

Corrik7 posted...

Either scum on ulti or not mylo.

or ulti scum

EDumey posted...

or ulti scum

Don't think he is...

Its only mylo if sheep is lying and crescent is out of actions or also lying

theres multiple claimed things that can potentially stop the kill tonight

Didn't sheep claim x use and didn't say how many.

I thought he said or implied he had some remaining

changmas posted...

I thought he said or implied he had some remaining

Almost every use has been 1 use or unlimited so I mean... if he is protection, having saved it for 3 nights is unlikely. Though the dude is probably just scum too.

votals? ulti at 3?

yes. votals from the end of last page + crescent voting for ulti.

EDumey posted...

yes. votals from the end of last page + crescent voting for ulti.

don't get smart with me dumey. I'll turn this game right around.

I was trying to be helpful!

##Vote: Ulti

I'm going to my cousin's graduation so I will be gone the rest of the day. My thoughts have not changed.

In the End, the Chains of Votals Will Not Break
[4] Ulti - (Dumey), (MZero), (Crescent), MZero, Dumey, Crescent, Cody
[1] Chang - (Corrik), Corrik
[1] Corrik - (Chang), Chang
[0] Cody - (Ulti), (Dumey)
[0] Crescent - (Sheep)
[0] Sheep - (Corrik)

With 10 players, it takes 6 votes to lynch. Day ends on Wednesday at 7 PM EDT, less than 1 hour from now.

Guess I am not gonna be able to convince anyone today

well thr little voice is starting to tell me it's the wrong choice but those other feels have been pretty strong.

changmas posted...

Hi sorry i missed this earlier and i know this is not a particularly satisfying answer but its mostly the player swap of sheep for red. i am and perhaps overly so, willing to put up with some nonsense from red in a way Im less willing to do for sheep. general afkness (especially today now!) is something i have come to expect from red and feel generally unbothered by, and when sheep came in and basically launched in a different direction entirely i didnt particularly like it ( i mean, of course it was directly at me but that was not the #1 issue to me). Like i feel the continuity in positions for you and plum is more along the same wavelength whereas that doesnt exist the same way for red and sheep. although i think through it now and it seems like that would be a point more in favor of sheep town and you scum, as it would be easier to keep things consistent when you have a team to fall in line with. but i guess Im just not that into the new sheep in the slot. Im contradicting myself in this explanation a bit but idk thats just what my brain is gonna do

and secondly in the wake of lea dying and red/sheep having been her top and perhaps singularly most confident read i am more willing to take fully seriously her opinion on that slot

Sheep had a super awkward opening in ST Mafia as town, then did virtually nothing but roll over until like half an hour before he was lynched. I don't have a lot of experience playing with him though.

it would really surprise me if red was scum here who just 1) correctly said people were town 2) push me day 2

SirChris posted...

it would really surprise me if red was scum here who just 1) correctly said people were town 2) push me day 2

Join me on chang?

Going to let Ulti go through I think. I think it is more possible that ulti just baffled me as scum than town winning with town ulti being alive at end game.

basically

MZero, Dumey, Crescent, Cody

if this isnt the scum team then ulti is always a loss for town as town and I am suspicious of chang so lol

Yeah but if its cody, then he just didn't do anything for scum night 1 or he's a ninja.

And if he's a ninja then how did you target him with a fish.

And if he's not acting night 1 for the scum team then whats even going on here?

Obellisk posted...

Yeah but if its cody, then he just didn't do anything for scum night 1 or he's a ninja.

And if he's a ninja then how did you target him with a fish.

And if he's not acting night 1 for the scum team then whats even going on here?

sbell, ninja doesnt interact with being targeted buddy

ninja means you cant be seen on watches or tracked

its not untargetable

ok, totally melding together untargetable with ninja.

I mean idk I think I buy plum the watcher being wrong on lea which means by definition scum have a ninja imo

also tracker is low priority so if scum used it n2 town ulti wouldnt have seen it

I dont know though the thing is in my experience its KINDA rare to go from scum to scum like in day 2

so day 2 I felt really bad about the game state and I then voted joyrock who flipped scum

let me look at something rq

SirChris posted...

also tracker is low priority so if scum used it n2 town ulti wouldnt have seen it

Why not?
He specifically claimed that he would be given a random priority if there was nothing in his priority category. (which is just dumb in general for the role and makes the whole thing sound made up).

So if Ulti sent out Two Beetles and got back Deku Nut Stunned and Nothing then the track clearly wasn't an item.

[7] Joyrock - (Ulti), (Chris), (Chris), Ulti, Chris, Death, (Lea), Cody, Lea, Chang, Corrik

I know lea and death were town along with me

chang and corrik come along later

idk feels bad as the only scum lynch that went through was because I lost my head =/

I also think the wagon formations kind of made sense for ulti and joyrock both being scum because then ulti has very little to lose by bussing his idle team mate tbf

I guess I can't really disagree with my own reads though. I think Ulti is town, I should just go against his lynch and if I am wrong hey I'm wrong, that's kind of mafia you know.

Sigh, I felt so relatable to death day 2 when he said he didn't have a firm grasp on the game. It sucks coming home and knowing you dont have a firm grasp on things but expecting to be the savior when you just want to be a cog in the machine =/

I think the only person not accounted for by either voting or being in topic recently is Sheep. So either scum is comfortable with this lynch or don't want to make themselves look bad by opposing it too strongly.

I can respect that Chris is not voting Chang here to not give scum control of the lynch (i think that's what's happening in any case).