Board 8 > Star Trek Mafia - Topic 12: There are Four Lights!

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Ben, whenever I flip, everyone is going to see for sure I've been truthful about everything this whole game.

I'm so ready for the vindication.

EDumey posted...

So you admit that Ctes is not Town Cleared, thank you.

Because he was a confirmed Doctor that had possibly already stopped one shot. Next question.

But really. We KNOW that a lot of times scum teams will prioritize kills around roles and not who does or doesn't support or suspect them. This is actually useless WIFOM. Ulti was the doctor. That's why he was killed. End of discussion.

Nobody is town cleared until they flip. This is common knowledge. I'm still allowed to be confident.

EDumey posted...

I don't even think I was that concerned with the reaction to the scan, was I? That was just BCT going crazy on the OMGUS train while I desperately tried to get him to admit to any kind of grounded statement on Wallz. Unless that was a different convo.

no you're right you were more just in the OMGUS camp of that discussion

still gave me an aneurysm

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Ben, whenever I flip, everyone is going to see for sure I've been truthful about everything this whole game.

I'm so ready for the vindication.

Vindication matters to you over winning? Because if you flip town it's likely game over

You're completely making up numbers for people thinking Ben and I are scum there, Dumey.

PunishedBen posted...

Vindication matters to you over winning? Because if you flip town it's likely game over

Endgame counts as flipping too

EDumey posted...

So you admit that Ctes is not Town Cleared, thank you.

Because he was a confirmed Doctor that had possibly already stopped one shot. Next question.

But really. We KNOW that a lot of times scum teams will prioritize kills around roles and not who does or doesn't support or suspect them. This is actually useless WIFOM. Ulti was the doctor. That's why he was killed. End of discussion.

Leaving him alive though sows so much doubt that he is not the doctor. Plus leaving him alive makes it that much easier for me to get my way because I have someone on my side. Re-opening question. What is the downside to keeping him alive for me?

PunishedBen posted...

Leaving him alive though sows so much doubt that he is not the doctor. Plus leaving him alive makes it that much easier for me to get my way because I have someone on my side. Re-opening question. What is the downside to keeping him alive for me?

There is zero chance we were letting anyone live who tried to honestly go after Ulti. You saw me question Han about something similar just earlier today. The downside is that HE IS A DOCTOR THAT COULD PREVENT YOU FROM WINNING IF HE BLOCKS YOUR NIGHT KILL.

Discussion re-closed.

EDumey posted...

There is zero chance we were letting anyone live who tried to honestly go after Ulti. You saw me question Han about something similar just earlier today. The downside is that HE IS A DOCTOR THAT COULD PREVENT YOU FROM WINNING IF HE BLOCKS YOUR NIGHT KILL.

Discussion re-closed.

Then you just kill Ulti after getting the mislynch today. He can't block that. Discussion RE FUCKING OPENED

This is fun. No quarrel

ctesjbuvf posted...

You're completely making up numbers for people thinking Ben and I are scum there, Dumey.

Ben - Han/Lea/Dumey vs Ctes/JC (Sultan undecided?) 50% was a charitable percentage.
Ctes - Han/Lea/Dumey/Sultan (JC I thought but I will again caveat I don't explicitly remember) vs Ben. 66% without JC, 83% with. 70% is a fair representation.

Proven with MATHS and LOGICS, BOOM.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


BOOM! Reopened

PunishedBen posted...

This is fun. No quarrel

No hard feelings. I would prefer if people always assume that any snarky comments I make are supposed to be interpreted as shitposts and not me being angry or mean-spirited. I was definitely having fun with it too.

The BOOM heard round the scum team world apparently, jeez.

I'd like to think as wavering as Ulti is he wouldn't have ever voted for his SOUL READ, BCT. I don't think I've ever seen him turn on a soul read. Have you?

Last game, like 5 times

5 times just on me, really

Less than 30 minutes. Sultan gone again. Is Sultan's vote still on Ctes?

Oh wait this actually ends in 30 minutes?

Ctes, JC, I don't suppose either of you wanted to input who you would like me to vote for would you?

What happens if Sultan never shows up and we 3v3 tie? Is that no lynch leading into mafia win?

Then it would just be on Ctes to block the kill. I'd love to see that I guess if we're gonna lose anyway

PunishedBen posted...

I dont think you answered this question Dumey.

And yet he still doesn't

EDumey posted...

Less than 30 minutes. Sultan gone again. Is Sultan's vote still on Ctes?

Thankfully, it is not.

EDumey posted...

Less than 30 minutes. Sultan gone again. Is Sultan's vote still on Ctes?

no

Also based off of the start of Topic 8 I don't think Ben/Sultan can be scumbuddies. BCT is asking way too many questions about how town drunk works in a way that I don't think he's faking. Idk how helpful that is but yeah.

EDumey posted...

Proven with MATHS and LOGICS, BOOM.

Except you ignored what half the players actually said.

Oh okay. I was worried over nothing then.

JC I need you to be here and responding. What is your lynch priority right now? Give me at least a top three lynch order.

Chaeix posted...

no

Also based off of the start of Topic 8 I don't think Ben/Sultan can be scumbuddies. BCT is asking way too many questions about how town drunk works in a way that I don't think he's faking. Idk how helpful that is but yeah.

Thank you for the input that Lea will ignore anyway ;-;

I actually skipped all BCT posts on my re read so didn't see that

PunishedBen posted...

Ctes, JC, I don't suppose either of you wanted to input who you would like me to vote for would you?

It's Han, Dumey or maybe Sultan I think. But you're not voting Sultan anyways. I keep being back and fourth if Lea and Dumey can be scumbuddies here. If it's the case I think the most likely thing is that they actually have neighborizer but just never used it.

Are you still trying to reread and make some read based on that, JC?

I will absolutely go Dumey after seeing arguments today, if you would prefer that

ctesjbuvf posted...

Except you ignored what half the players actually said.

You're going to have to be more specific than that if you want to actually counter what I'm saying with this little time left in the day. Other people aren't going to go back and research your claims. Or better yet, let's just assume everyone is here and ask what our lynch priorities are.

I'm at Ben > Ctes > Sultan at the moment, with Han being a distant fourth and JC and Lea being pretty clear back in the "Would not support under any circumstances today" category.

I'm not sure who I prefer the most.

I'm not sure there is time for me to consider if Dumey makes these arguments as town or not, because it's distracting me that I think there's really bad.

EDumey posted...

You're going to have to be more specific than that if you want to actually counter what I'm saying with this little time left in the day.

I already did like within the last hour, but Lea straight up said that she saw value in keeping me alive because of the RB and basically grouped us together for her third after Ben and Sultan. Han has been back and fourth.

The way I see it now is that if I'm wrong about even one, we lose. And if by some miracle there's only 2 scum left, and one of the 3 flips town, then I'm lynched and we lose anyway. So I'm all or nothing

And if that's not a compelling argument that I'm not scum and haven't been for the past 2 days, I don't know what is

ctesjbuvf posted...

I already did like within the last hour, but Lea straight up said that she saw value in keeping me alive because of the RB and basically grouped us together for her third after Ben and Sultan. Han has been back and fourth.

So she does still think you're possibly scum, just not as high in priority. So me grouping her in the group that thinks you're scum isn't wrong. She is free to come in and say she does not think you are scum at this time and I would have to accept that. But that's not my understanding of the situation, hence why I'm trying to determine what everyone actually feels.

Dumey why do you keep ignoring this?

PunishedBen posted...

And say Ctes is Town Jack. Did he do anything wrong? Anything at all? Assume innocent until proven guilty first. Why would he reveal day 2 that he's jack if he has one more power under his belt?

Unless you think i plotted Wallz downfall

Yo just got back from a tournament.

One thing is saw Dumey Pointed out Ben doesn't care about my Option just my vote that's very weird

EDumey posted...

So she does still think you're possibly scum, just not as high in priority. So me grouping her in the group that thinks you're scum isn't wrong. She is free to come in and say she does not think you are scum at this time and I would have to accept that. But that's not my understanding of the situation, hence why I'm trying to determine what everyone actually feels.

Okay so you're manipulting your numbers based on valueing "This person is guaranteed scum" and "Maybe x if there's a third" the exact same.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

One thing is saw Dumey Pointed out Ben doesn't care about my Option just my vote that's very weird

I trust my own opinion over yours, yes this is true. Can you think of a game where I didn't?

EDumey posted...

Oh okay. I was worried over nothing then.

JC I need you to be here and responding. What is your lynch priority right now? Give me at least a top three lynch order.

the problem is it's not a top 3 lynch order problem right now? i'm trying to come up with a game state that makes sense but quite frankly struggling.

i probably should just give up on my reading and focus here though cause i'm going to run out of time

Ben/Han are probably not scumbuddies. Sultan/Ben probably not scumbuddies. I don't think Dumey is scum because I actually thought his contributions in topic 7 were thoughtful and asking questions I don't think scum dumey would fake (like when he asked about redirector vs bus driver). Maybe the better conclusion is that ctes/Dumey are delinked there.

I've been terrified that Han is fleecing me the whole game. In honesty I've felt like there were points where Han was counterproductive in conversation (like where he was like "you showed that you don't care about scanning vanillas n1, why would scum assume you scanned a vanilla n2?" in essence). Like, it struck me as odd that Han didn't reinforce the likely assumption that I scanned BCT. And then again with not fully thinking through his definitive statement of "jc was shot beyond a doubt". Earlier in the game I didn't feel great about Han (and said so) but then started to feel a bit better. I didn't really get as many of those warm fuzzy vibes from Topic 6 and 7 on reread.

Honestly no matter who I vote, reality will somehow warp and they will end up becoming town.

this is all very unhelpful

Plus I think Ctes is town and you don't. So I need you not to vote for him. Han, Dumey, and Lea have all said they're gonna vote Ctes already

Living Long:
1- ctes - Jack
2- EDumey - Neighborizer
3- Han - Vanilla
4- JC - Lazy Tracker
5- Lea - Vanilla
6- PunishedBen (BCT) - Vanilla
7- Sultan - Drunk

Prospering:
LD1 - SirChris - Harry Mudd, Scum Hammerer/Double Voter
KN1 - Death - Ensign Harry Kim, Town Vanilla
LD2 - Sheep - Kasidy Yates, Town Vanilla
KN2 - Crescent - Elim Garak, Town Miller Guilty Cop
LD3 - Isquen - Sylvia Tilly, Town Vanilla
LD4 - wallmasterz - Boothby, Town Vanilla
KN4 - UltimaterializerX - The Doctor, Town Doctor

just for visibility

PunishedBen posted...

I trust my own opinion over yours, yes this is true. Can you think of a game where I didn't?

But you haven't even considered my opinion or told me why mine is wrong.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Dumey why do you keep ignoring this?

I didn't ignore it. I responded that I think the way you claimed had scum equity. The reason why you reveal that you're jack if you have one more power is because you needed an excuse to be seen moving by JC.

A jack claiming their action isn't necessarily scummy in itself, but it will heavily depend on the context of the game. I don't think Ctes claiming his actions was scummy. I think HOW Ctes claimed their actions, and WHEN they chose to reveal each piece of info was scummy. Letting people talk about the Death kill before claiming it. Letting town discuss Bus Driver/Redirector a LOT (I disagree with Ctes earlier saying that I'm overselling how much discussion there was. There was a LOT of setup discussion, and Redirector was the key to a lot of whether or not the setup made sense.) and then claiming it later, after he had decided a need to breadcrumb his role. That breadcrumb shows there was INTENT to claim, and not just because "Oh people are talking about Redirector again, let me squash this."

It is not THAT he claimed that makes him scummy, but HOW and WHEN he claimed.

All of this was discussed before, I did not ignore the question. I had already answered it and Ben likes to repeat questions that have already been answered multiple times before.

PunishedBen posted...

Plus I think Ctes is town and you don't. So I need you not to vote for him. Han, Dumey, and Lea have all said they're gonna vote Ctes already

I'd rather vote you tbh

Votals:
[0] EDumey: (Sultan)
[0] Ctes: (EDumey), (Han), (Han)
[0] Han - (Ben)
[0] Lea - (JC), (Han)

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