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HanOfTheNekos
03/18/23 5:35:26 PM
#202:


ctesjbuvf posted...
How do both of you clear Sultan that hard again

There's been multitudes of things pushing me that direction, but right now it's that I disagree with Lea that it's Scum/Scum.

And Ben ain't Town.

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PunishedBen
03/18/23 5:36:13 PM
#203:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
This is literally something you're inventing to try to make me look bad.
I quoted JC or someone's comment that you replied to from last game. A comment saying that it never showed me online when I made a post 3 minutes ago. Not inventing that.

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PunishedBen
03/18/23 5:37:11 PM
#204:


ctesjbuvf posted...
How do both of you clear Sultan that hard again
Reasons piled on top of reasons at this point. But in reference to the Yakuza meta, yes I do not believe a scum Sultan attacks a scum Chris in the way he did. I'll go quote the exchange again

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PunishedBen
03/18/23 5:38:34 PM
#205:


Also Han accidentally slipped by straight up telling Sultan that I'm manipulating him earlier today. So of course Han has to town read Sultan too now

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ctesjbuvf
03/18/23 5:40:15 PM
#207:


PunishedBen posted...
Reasons piled on top of reasons at this point. But in reference to the Yakuza meta, yes I do not believe a scum Sultan attacks a scum Chris in the way he did. I'll go quote the exchange again

It's fine, I remember it.

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EDumey
03/18/23 5:40:46 PM
#208:


Let's vote Ctes then. Everyone except Ben seems to think Ctes is likely part of the scum team due to setup and PoE. Sultan who most people seem to lean town on think Ctes is scum. And we don't have this dichotomy of drawn lines in the sand of Han versus Ben.

If Han versus Ben is being set up as a 50/50, then doesn't seem like a lot of people are sure of Ctes being a likely party to either? I think scum is banking on trying to make it Ben vs Han, which makes me want to take the third option. Either scum Ben is confident he can persuade Sultan to join his side and lynch Han. Or Han thinks he's already bought me and Lea, and so just needs to convince JC to stay with us.

Let's throw aside the battle lines and lynch our common enemy.

Plus he didn't get lynched last night, so that's a good sign he's scum.

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EDumey
03/18/23 5:41:48 PM
#209:


PunishedBen posted...
Reasons piled on top of reasons at this point. But in reference to the Yakuza meta, yes I do not believe a scum Sultan attacks a scum Chris in the way he did. I'll go quote the exchange again

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


There you go. Ben trusts Sultan. Han trusts Sultan. Let's follow Sultan. Lynch Ctes.

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HanOfTheNekos
03/18/23 5:42:04 PM
#210:


PunishedBen posted...
I quoted JC or someone's comment that you replied to from last game. A comment saying that it never showed me online when I made a post 3 minutes ago. Not inventing that.

Whatever you said about second-hand tips is literally fiction you are putting together.

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PunishedBen
03/18/23 5:43:01 PM
#211:


undefined posted... SULTAN
I thought you said you beat yakuza?

undefined posted... CHRIS
I just said there is a post game dungeon I didn't know about.

I didn't expect mafia crime dragon quest ok this is too good.

undefined posted... SULTAN
My bad i got excited that I caught a scum slip to exsplain inactivity lol

And after questioned by Crescent

undefined posted... SULTAN
Catching Chris is like catching a Shark. Very hard but would be awesome.

Later in the day when votes on Chris have waned

undefined posted... SULTAN
To be fair I am starting to get a bit of the God Father coming our if you. Pushing your agenda. But not as strong as other games when you were scum and I should have kept pushing the peddle.

The Chris fear around these parts is real


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PunishedBen
03/18/23 5:44:14 PM
#213:


PunishedBen posted...
Paper Mario Mafia Topic 7

JC Says
Han this probably isnt helpful but I actually did timestamp Ben while we were waiting for him and he hadnt been online since a few minutes before my claim.

But also the timestamp was 3 minutes before his last post so uh I think thats just yet another reason to completely discount time stamps

HAN REPLIES

I didn't mean his actual profile, just the stamps of his posts. That is in-game information, and why I'm okay with talking about it.

A Scumben could be fed info on Scumboard. It's a possibility. But I also am okay discounting the time portion here, I just brought it up because it was where I was reading at the time.


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EDumey
03/18/23 5:45:38 PM
#214:


But when Ctes flips scum, then we lynch Ben for trying to hard clear him and do everything he can to mislead us in a probably MYLO situation.

We can even coordinated group strike him to avoid the whole 48 hours thing!

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PunishedBen
03/18/23 5:45:43 PM
#215:


EDumey posted...
Let's vote Ctes then. Everyone except Ben seems to think Ctes is likely part of the scum team due to setup and PoE. Sultan who most people seem to lean town on think Ctes is scum. And we don't have this dichotomy of drawn lines in the sand of Han versus Ben.

If Han versus Ben is being set up as a 50/50, then doesn't seem like a lot of people are sure of Ctes being a likely party to either? I think scum is banking on trying to make it Ben vs Han, which makes me want to take the third option. Either scum Ben is confident he can persuade Sultan to join his side and lynch Han. Or Han thinks he's already bought me and Lea, and so just needs to convince JC to stay with us.

Let's throw aside the battle lines and lynch our common enemy.

Plus he didn't get lynched last night, so that's a good sign he's scum.
Ctes is no common enemy of mine.

Sigh...

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PunishedBen
03/18/23 5:46:54 PM
#216:


If Ctes flips scum, lynch me

And yes dont forget Ctes' roleblock. You'd be a fool or scum to pick him today

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ctesjbuvf
03/18/23 5:47:07 PM
#217:


EDumey posted...
Let's vote Ctes then. Everyone except Ben seems to think Ctes is likely part of the scum team due to setup and PoE. Sultan who most people seem to lean town on think Ctes is scum.

I could literally make the exact same argument against you with the only exception being that Ben doesn't think you're necessarily town.

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PunishedBen
03/18/23 5:47:55 PM
#218:


Obviously I dont want you to actually lynch me, I'm just sure voting Ctes today ends the game so I reallllllllly dont want it.

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HanOfTheNekos
03/18/23 5:48:20 PM
#219:


PunishedBen posted...
Han this probably isnt helpful but I actually did timestamp Ben while we were waiting for him and he hadnt been online since a few minutes before my claim.

But also the timestamp was 3 minutes before his last post so uh I think thats just yet another reason to completely discount time stamps

You think I remember the content of a single post from last game that I was very clearly disregarding because it was talking about the wrong thing?


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ctesjbuvf
03/18/23 5:48:29 PM
#220:


It's not that I don't want to listen to reasons people suspect me and all but every setup case against me was also kinda BS.

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EDumey
03/18/23 5:48:37 PM
#221:


PunishedBen posted...
Ctes is no common enemy of mine.

Sigh...
I said everyone but you.
So you trust Sultan is town, but not his read of the game. Seems like you're trying to butter up Sultan to join your lynch and not actually considering his opinions. Is he nothing but a tool to you!?!?

(this post is intentionally dramatic to mimic the way Ben has been making appeals to Sultan previously in the game.)

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PunishedBen
03/18/23 5:49:02 PM
#222:


And why do we think Ctes is scum due to setup?

We're going with the theory that scum shot Death night 1. Why in ever living god why is that the first theory that pops in anyone's head?


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HanOfTheNekos
03/18/23 5:49:03 PM
#223:


PunishedBen posted...
If Ctes flips scum, lynch me

And yes dont forget Ctes' roleblock. You'd be a fool or scum to pick him today

What Roleblock?

The one he didn't use to protect a Doctor he thought wasn't bulletproof... Twice?

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PunishedBen
03/18/23 5:49:19 PM
#224:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
You think I remember the content of a single post from last game that I was very clearly disregarding because it was talking about the wrong thing?
I mean, I remembered it. :P Thats why I went and found it

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PunishedBen
03/18/23 5:50:06 PM
#225:


EDumey posted...
I said everyone but you.
So you trust Sultan is town, but not his read of the game. Seems like you're trying to butter up Sultan to join your lynch and not actually considering his opinions. Is he nothing but a tool to you!?!?

(this post is intentionally dramatic to mimic the way Ben has been making appeals to Sultan previously in the game.)
I need his vote. Not his opinion. Not right now. Sorry Sultan

I'm not trying to appeal to you, I'm trying to win

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EDumey
03/18/23 5:50:33 PM
#226:


ctesjbuvf posted...
I could literally make the exact same argument against you with the only exception being that Ben doesn't think you're necessarily town.

No, people think you are scum because of your claims and the night actions.

People include me on scum teams because they have literally no other options and have to.

WE ARE NOT THE SAME.

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ctesjbuvf
03/18/23 5:50:53 PM
#227:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
The one he didn't use to protect a Doctor he thought wasn't bulletproof... Twice?

Cmon now Han

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PunishedBen
03/18/23 5:51:09 PM
#229:


But we only win if Sultan shifts his opnion to trusting me completely so...probably not the way to win >_>

I dont know. I really dont know what else to do

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HanOfTheNekos
03/18/23 5:51:15 PM
#230:


PunishedBen posted...
I mean, I remembered it. :P Thats why I went and found it

Nobody believes this

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HanOfTheNekos
03/18/23 5:51:53 PM
#232:


ctesjbuvf posted...
Cmon now Han

Hey, it's a very valid point against you.
Town protection doesn't protect other Town protection.

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PunishedBen
03/18/23 5:51:58 PM
#233:


EDumey posted...
No, people think you are scum because of your claims and the night actions.

People include me on scum teams because they have literally no other options and have to.

WE ARE NOT THE SAME.
Just because you have done nothing so that no one has anything to look back and say is suss, doesn't make you innocent

Same could be said of Lea post day 1

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ctesjbuvf
03/18/23 5:52:23 PM
#234:


EDumey posted...
No, people think you are scum because of your claims and the night actions.

People include me on scum teams because they have literally no other options and have to.

WE ARE NOT THE SAME.

You even literally said because of setup and PoE.

Though I'll grant I can't actually read how much a joke post this is

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ctesjbuvf
03/18/23 5:54:35 PM
#235:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Hey, it's a very valid point against you.
Town protection doesn't protect other Town protection.

It's twisted as f*** though given all the uncertainties in whether or not Ulti was BP. If I had used it on N3 I wouldn't have prevented the kill despite how it looks like it. And it's one use with little chance of hitting but greater chance of hitting later.

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PunishedBen
03/18/23 5:54:42 PM
#236:


EDumey posted...


Plus he didn't get lynched last night, so that's a good sign he's scum.
So you dont think Han/Sultan scum team is possible?

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EDumey
03/18/23 5:56:33 PM
#238:


"and" is the important word there.

PunishedBen posted...
Just because you have done nothing so that no one has anything to look back and say is suss, doesn't make you innocent

Do you really want to stand by the argument that I haven't done anything this game? Is that the game we're going to play?

I would be willing to put money down that I have made more posts with unique arguments against MULTIPLE different people than anyone else in this game, because I've been genuinely trying to pressure people and scum hunt.

I pushed Wallz for multiple days in a row, and then it turned out he was town. Surely you could go back and see if my scum hunting there was problematic or disingenuous or not, no? Or would you go back and find that I was just loud wrong town?

This accusation that I haven't done enough to look sus is absolutely disgusting, and yet ANOTHER example of you intentionally lying to set up your false narrative.

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HanOfTheNekos
03/18/23 5:56:54 PM
#239:


ctesjbuvf posted...
It's twisted as f*** though given all the uncertainties in whether or not Ulti was BP. If I had used it on N3 I wouldn't have prevented the kill despite how it looks like it. And it's one use with little chance of hitting but greater chance of hitting later.

I suppose there's also an argument that, if you're Town, it would be protecting yourself. If we believe JC is Town and that Doctor would protect him, you become a likely kill target, no?

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PunishedBen
03/18/23 5:57:31 PM
#240:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]



Day 2 was mostly joking around with Han. The Sheep vote was decided at the beggninng of the day and you two stuck with it all day. Since i have entered the game, even the happiness and jokes has left you.

Now you're bored or zzzzz

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EDumey
03/18/23 5:59:03 PM
#242:


PunishedBen posted...
So you dont think Han/Sultan scum team is possible?
I've literally already answered this, I don't know why you keep asking questions that could be answered by going back two pages.

EDumey posted...
If it wasn't clear from my question to Ben above, because I know I am town and me being offline had no impact on a potential scum hammer, I think the fact that Han put Ctes to -2 and there was no Ctes lynch means that either Ctes is scum, or one of Han/Sultan is scum. I am inclined to believe it is just Ctes, but that's my analysis of last night's tomfoolery.


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PunishedBen
03/18/23 6:01:03 PM
#243:


EDumey posted...
"and" is the important word there.

Do you really want to stand by the argument that I haven't done anything this game? Is that the game we're going to play?

I would be willing to put money down that I have made more posts with unique arguments against MULTIPLE different people than anyone else in this game, because I've been genuinely trying to pressure people and scum hunt.

I pushed Wallz for multiple days in a row, and then it turned out he was town. Surely you could go back and see if my scum hunting there was problematic or disingenuous or not, no? Or would you go back and find that I was just loud wrong town?

This accusation that I haven't done enough to look sus is absolutely disgusting, and yet ANOTHER example of you intentionally lying to set up your false narrative.
Another person who claims they looked better than they did.

I read it. You did nothing that could be considered a "This guy is obvtown" play. Otherwise I would have said "This guy is obvtown"

I think I can safely say "This guy is neighborizer". So that is halfway to potentially being town. There's just a chance you're scum neighborizer anyway

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PunishedBen
03/18/23 6:02:10 PM
#244:


EDumey posted...
I've literally already answered this, I don't know why you keep asking questions that could be answered by going back two pages.
So then why are you inclined to pick Ctes as scum over the other two?

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PunishedBen
03/18/23 6:04:31 PM
#245:


Because you leave it quite open in that post. "Could be one of Han/Sultan....but I'm picking this guy"

So excuse me for asking

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EDumey
03/18/23 6:07:05 PM
#246:


PunishedBen posted...
Another person who claims they looked better than they did.

I read it. You did nothing that could be considered a "This guy is obvtown" play. Otherwise I would have said "This guy is obvtown"

I think I can safely say "This guy is neighborizer". So that is halfway to potentially being town. There's just a chance you're scum neighborizer anyway
No. Wrong answer. Your accusation wasn't that I didn't do anything to look obv town. You said "you have done nothing so that no one has anything to look back and say is suss" The exact OPPOSITE assertion. Completely two different statements that you are now backing out of because you realize you overstepped.

PunishedBen posted...
So then why are you inclined to pick Ctes as scum over the other two?


EDumey posted...
No, people think you are scum because of your claims and the night actions.


I literally went over why I thought Ctes was scum when I was arguing with you over how you were town clearing Ctes with bad reasoning. I really hope this is you being intentionally dense, or else you may need your short term memory checked.

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PunishedBen
03/18/23 6:09:08 PM
#247:


EDumey posted...
No. Wrong answer. Your accusation wasn't that I didn't do anything to look obv town. You said "you have done nothing so that no one has anything to look back and say is suss" The exact OPPOSITE assertion. Completely two different statements that you are now backing out of because you realize you overstepped.

I literally went over why I thought Ctes was scum when I was arguing with you over how you were town clearing Ctes with bad reasoning. I really hope this is you being intentionally dense, or else you may need your short term memory checked.
I scum hunt by town clearing everyone else first. So that's just a more personal answer. Scum dont slip that often. Especially when sitting back

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PunishedBen
03/18/23 6:11:31 PM
#248:


Yeah I dont know what to do anymore. Now the scum team is just offended every time i ask a question. I ask a question so that they cant sit back and hide until the game ends. They would not be posting today at all if i didnt keep asking for repeat answers to questions

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EDumey
03/18/23 6:11:51 PM
#249:


Do you remember Ben, when you said there was no scum equity in Ctes claiming Jack instead of sitting on his Vig claim, and I showed that was flawed because he very much had scum equity in claiming something that allowed him to move? How he hid the fact that he was the one who bus drove JC's scan when we argued about it for multiple days straight and ignored mentioning anything about it when Ulti was saying, "There's no way Bus Driver and my role exist in this game together" but was content to sit there and say nothing? How there was only one kill N1 and we just have to assume that Ulti blocked the scum kill, even though there is definitely scum equity in scum Ctes to try and set himself up in a semi-cleared status after scum's star player Chris was lynched D1?

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PunishedBen
03/18/23 6:12:57 PM
#250:


I just hope the people reading can put together what I'm seeing and ignore the narrative that I'm somehow the last scum because I'm the only one who cares.

Scum is up to 3 VS 4 presumably. Town is the underdogs here. I AM the underdog. Please see that

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