Board 8 > Star Trek Mafia - Topic 12: There are Four Lights!

(+) Yeah! (+)

Yeah I just watched as town killed me it was pretty neat.

Anyway good town players look inward after a loss bad town players blame others

Something to keep in mind

Gg to everyone

I wonder how much scum would be complaining about overpowered doctor if they lost lol

Blame me if that was out of line. I thought with the gf traitor and weak scanning the setup was fine but yeah.

UltimaterializerX posted...

You led all four.

Neigh way. I was just along for the ride.

I didn't have to do shit with regards to Sheep and Isquen, and didn't have to do much with Wall.

I basically just chilled all game. The only person I felt confident was Scum with me was Dumey.

Anyway scum played super well and Han was not obvscum at all shut up dead town

Gg all. I didn't follow super closely, but it was a fun skim.

Sorry that you got played so hard, dumey.

Post of the game contenders:

EDumey posted... (t1.386)
you're supposed to live in shame with your typos.

wallmasterz posted... (t2.096)
Your behavior is literally the reason I started suspecting BCT, I interpret your approach to BCT as BCT sneezed and was self aware enough to say excuse me, town confirmed

Chaeix posted... (t5.98)
wrong topic awkward

HanOfTheNekos posted... (t6.398)
Dammit Jim, I'm a Doctor, not a Kitten Princess

Ben's post (t8.282) where he calls the entire game

PunishedBen posted... (t8.408)
I am better now and also found a way to play at work. I am remoted into my home computer and using that to access gamefaqs LOL

EDumey posted... (t10.237)
This is maybe the most stupid reason I have ever read to try and "hard clear" someone.

EDumey posted... (t10.253)
why did you quote me saying cum tho.

EDumey posted... (t11.296)
Which leaves... you. Oh sweet betrayal, how could this happen to me?

EDumey posted...

Lets not pretend like you weren't completely wrong on me though, buddy. This whole "how many mislynches" thing is a pretty fucking awful benchmark, seeing as how it was wrong when it came to me. Please don't act sanctimonious when you had no idea what was happening either.

You were scum aligned regardless of what your actual PM said thanks to Lea being really really good at this game.

Yeah Ulti's role wasnt an active use, just a passive BP that went away after the first shot.

Sbell admitted he regretted not making that clearer. But I understand not answering that question afterwards.

Lopen posted...

I wonder how much scum would be complaining about overpowered doctor if they lost lol

Blame me if that was out of line. I thought with the gf traitor and weak scanning the setup was fine but yeah.

Not a huge fan of BP doctor and also traitor being unknown but better than when I thought it was 3/14

But also scum chat was mostly good vibes from the start with me going really!? A few times at sbell

SirChris posted...

Yeah I just watched as town killed me it was pretty neat.

Anyway good town players look inward after a loss bad town players blame others

Something to keep in mind

Gg to everyone

I never would have figured Sultan out live during the day (I even doc saved him), but I was thinking his claim was kind of off. Kind of.

Very proud I bought everyone elses claim, even if it was with Bens help!

Couldnt' answer the question mid game, too much meta had already gone into it.

Hey @PunishedBen I do want to make one request of you as a town player moving forward.

You really should be more careful about the way you present your arguments (like the han/lea/dumey false dichotomy) to people as certain because you really look like someone pushing a narrative instead.

It wasn't a deciding factor but it was part of why my confidence in you waned over the course of the day to the point where I was actually uncomfortable enough to place a vote.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I never would have figured Sultan out live during the day (I even doc saved him), but I was thinking his claim was kind of off. Kind of.

Very proud I bought everyone elses claim, even if it was with Bens help!

Yeah the claim wasn't the best but I had to think of something kind of plausible.

Jc half figured that out.

I have a session to focus on, but I'll leave at this:

Lea, if your heartfelt defense of me was honest, then I still feel a little bad, but your defense was very correct still. I don't think I play the first 3 days any differently as Town, except for looking at Dumey more.

Lopen posted...

I wonder how much scum would be complaining about overpowered doctor if they lost lol

Blame me if that was out of line. I thought with the gf traitor and weak scanning the setup was fine but yeah.

I'm still ready to complain, but too busy to do so lol

Also as always I apologize if I ever sound rude, it helps me try to read the game to "yell" a bit at people, but I fully enjoy playing with you all. It might sound like I'm angry but I never really am.

Except at myself for typing Death instead of Sultan night 1 when I considered both.

SirChris posted...

Not a huge fan of BP doctor and also traitor being unknown but better than when I thought it was 3/14

What was the reaction when you guys finally shot me?

I was intentionally being as obnoxious as possible (sorry!) to stay alive past night 1, because theres no way scum shoots me when Im being that blatant. Sucks you had the bypass because I so knew Crescent was cop.

gg scum, you really played a perfect game in the sense that matters (willingly sacrificed Chris and didnt lose anyone else - even the godfather you didnt know was scum!) and Chris/Lea/Sultan, doing this while you thought you were a 3 member team is insanely ballsy. Props to you all. Han, nice job too. You had a tough role.

jc, Dumey, anyone else feeling like you didnt play your best game, dont beat yourself up. Scum played a really great game overall. Jc even though you helped mislynch me I dont want you to take a break unless you want to do so for reasons unrelated to how well you did/didnt play. All of us, scum included can learn from this game and be better for it next time.

thanks all for letting me play. I had a lot of fun, learned a lot (including some observations about both town and scum I will keep in mind for next time ) and will definitely plan on signing up for next one depending on how life looks.

@Obellisk thanks for hosting and @Peace___Frog thanks for assisting

I thought Sultan might be scum because nothing he did ever felt right, even by his standards, though I didn't think town had a chance of winning after that disaster of a day 2. Not sure it's possible for that day to have gone any worse.

Anyways considering how fast this was I may play the next one depending on who joins.

SirChris posted...

Yeah the claim wasn't the best but I had to think of something kind of plausible.

Jc half figured that out.

I should have insisted we lynch him harder just based off the game state tbh. He was a role that would only ever get resolved by a lynch, so we should have just done it before lylo.

Town had to clear Sultan to have any chance of clarity about who to vote at dwindling numbers.

UltimaterializerX posted...

What was the reaction when you guys finally shot me?

I was intentionally being as obnoxious as possible (sorry!) to stay alive past night 1, because theres no way scum shoots me when Im being that blatant. Sucks you had the bypass because I so knew Crescent was cop.

We shot you and got a message of your thing being destroyed. I was like really sbell.

I figured out crescent was power from how she played day 1 so that was a great doc save tbh. Jc outing her didn't matter that much tbh

Obellisk posted...

Couldnt' answer the question mid game, too much meta had already gone into it.

In no way your fault and if anyone criticizes your hosting job I will fight them. You did a perfect job! I loved this game. This is the happiest Ive ever felt after a loss because the game was just too good man.

Lopen posted...

Anyway scum played super well and Han was not obvscum at all shut up dead town

As a complete spectator, I thought Han was scum since Day 1. Seeing Han be all "I think Chris is sus, but I'm gonna vote for Death" was a massive red flag to me lol

Granted, I only started spectating since I saw that scum Chris got lynched D1 and I was like, "How did that happen?" So I had prior knowledge of what to look for. And as I was catching up, I was also tracking the flips, making it more apparent to me that Han was scum.
... Though honestly I was correct for all of the wrong reasons. Han being traitor makes the truth a lot more muddled lol

Suffice to say, seeing Ben replace in and go absolutely ham was awesome. I had a strong feeling he was town. But Lea and especially Han played smartly and gaslit the everlasting hell out of him to make him look insane or floundering lol

Shout-out to Ulti this game. Dude was absolutely playing out of his mind this game

Wallz was also really cool to see in action.

And honestly major props to Sultan because I didn't suspect him at all as scum. My eyes were totally on Han, Lea, and Dumey as a blatantly united scum front (which couldn't have been further from the truth!)

htaeD posted...

Still baffled scum chose to bus Chris like that

Fair to be surprised, but it was a wise calculated decision and worked out so well for them

wallmasterz posted...

gg scum, you really played a perfect game in the sense that matters (willingly sacrificed Chris and didnt lose anyone else - even the godfather you didnt know was scum!) and Chris/Lea/Sultan, doing this while you thought you were a 3 member team is insanely ballsy. Props to you all. Han, nice job too. You had a tough role.

jc, Dumey, anyone else feeling like you didnt play your best game, dont beat yourself up. Scum played a really great game overall. Jc even though you helped mislynch me I dont want you to take a break unless you want to do so for reasons unrelated to how well you did/didnt play. All of us, scum included can learn from this game and be better for it next time.

thanks all for letting me play. I had a lot of fun, learned a lot (including some observations about both town and scum I will keep in mind for next time ) and will definitely plan on signing up for next one depending on how life looks.

@Obellisk thanks for hosting and @Peace___Frog thanks for assisting

Wall you played extremely well tbh. You did not fall for any of my dastardly tricks at all.

It's a bit funny that both Lea and I were both technically right about Han.

I regret not making Ultis BP disabled if he successfully attempted to save a strongwoman kill. Which he did do. I regret the Doctor role being as strong as it was.

Ben replacing in really helped me. I felt so good about him, I couldn't quite figure BCT out.

And we were so close Ben!

wallmasterz posted...

jc, Dumey, anyone else feeling like you didnt play your best game, dont beat yourself up. Scum played a really great game overall. Jc even though you helped mislynch me I dont want you to take a break unless you want to do so for reasons unrelated to how well you did/didnt play. All of us, scum included can learn from this game and be better for it next time.

I appreciate that Wallz! Maybe I'll play one more if it happens before I go back to work, but realistically I won't be able to play much after April 10.

Also wallz I have to say that you have an impressive ability to pick up on what is 'normal' for people. I was actually a little bit uneasy about you in part because you made some stray comments (I didn't keep track of them) about players that didn't make sense for a newbie to make. It seemed like you knew people, or were being told about people, and finding out that was purely observational from your limited interactions is good.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Congrats, Dumey, on winning scum MVP despite being town! Truly impressed with such a feat.

Lets not forget I think literally every member of town except maybe one member had at least one if not multiple miscues. I certainly didnt play great. No townie was lynched just by scum + Dumey, nearly all of us went along with sheep, Isquen and so on.

Say all that to say, Dumey dont feel bad. Its just a game and we lost together.

I didnt even get a chance to misplay!

Oh btw, I had used my RB on Lea n4, I just didn't want to give scum that information in case they didn't already have it.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Oh btw, I had used my RB on Lea n4, I just didn't want to give scum that information in case they didn't already have it.

god bless you

but also you should have blocked sultan lol

htaeD posted...

I didnt even get a chance to misplay!

You're welcome.

And I'm so sorry. I dislike being vig because I legitimately feel terrible when I miss.

I am retiring from mafia permanently and would ask that people firmly remind me of that if I try and join another game? I think it was pretty obvious I wasn't right this game and Chris telling me to go sort myself out D1 gave me a little existential crisis. I just really can't keep up with arguments nor make any semblance of logic work myself, which is a lil sad but just the reality of where my brain is. I'm not physically able to be in a game without there being a good chance I will actively sabotage my team, which really isn't fair on y'all - I spent basically every waking hour I could on the game and just... couldn't pull together a coherent argument because I simply wasn't capable. It's frustrating because my reads D1 were really damn excellent, but my instincts don't detract from the fact my cognitive ability isn't there to do the far more important communication part of the game.

Aside from that... I think this was one of the higher levels of play I've seen in a game for quite a while, with almost exclusively excellent players around. Town got a little complacent on those who lynched Chris and everyone seemed burned out the last two days, but the start of the game was crazy good from basically everyone. Props to scum for the crazy D1 plan, I said as soon as I died that's a stacked team and no chance everyone on there was gonna die. They all have very different strengths, are crazy smart, and would have come up with a different way to get a simple win if the Chris plan hadn't carried the team through D2-4.

Extremely well played from sultan

Side note: I considered claiming Miller JOAT, but I was paranoid about JOAT actually existing.

That would've been awkward!

Chaeix posted...

god bless you

but also you should have blocked sultan lol

Yeah I was trying to go for the scum I thought they least expected me to go for. I hit scum, just the wrong one apparently, oh well.

Kirby321 posted...

As a complete spectator, I thought Han was scum since Day 1. Seeing Han be all "I think Chris is sus, but I'm gonna vote for Death" was a massive red flag to me lol

Granted, I only started spectating since I saw that scum Chris got lynched D1 and I was like, "How did that happen?" So I had prior knowledge of what to look for. And as I was catching up, I was also tracking the flips, making it more apparent to me that Han was scum.
... Though honestly I was correct for all of the wrong reasons. Han being traitor makes the truth a lot more muddled lol

Suffice to say, seeing Ben replace in and go absolutely ham was awesome. I had a strong feeling he was town. But Lea and especially Han played smartly and gaslit the everlasting hell out of him to make him look insane or floundering lol

Shout-out to Ulti this game. Dude was absolutely playing out of his mind this game

Wallz was also really cool to see in action.

And honestly major props to Sultan because I didn't suspect him at all as scum. My eyes were totally on Han, Lea, and Dumey as a blatantly united scum front (which couldn't have been further from the truth!)

Love you too.

Just gimme bulletproof doctor every game and I will keep us alive as long as possible!!

The only thing that stings a little is Ben being the last death. Like come on guys. I soul read Andy and then Ben went H.A.M. on a mfer right from the jump. Any other final mislynch Id understand but Ben? Brutal. He did not deserve that. Wall didnt deserve it either. He was literally Godfather or town, with nothing else possible, just based on his day one play. I said it so many times :(

ctesjbuvf posted...

Yeah I was trying to go for the scum I thought they least expected me to go for. I hit scum, just the wrong one apparently, oh well.

well the thing is if sultan's scum, he *has* to move or else risk being scanned by me

i mean he probably was assuming that he wouldn't be scanned but he effectively locked himself into having to do something every night just in case

Chaeix posted...

well the thing is if sultan's scum, he *has* to move or else risk being scanned by me

i mean he probably was assuming that he wouldn't be scanned but he effectively locked himself into having to do something every night just in case

You're right it was the optimal play. I was too focused on feeling very strong about Han/Lea being scum.

Kirby321 posted...

As a complete spectator, I thought Han was scum since Day 1. Seeing Han be all "I think Chris is sus, but I'm gonna vote for Death" was a massive red flag to me lol

My call for scumteam d1 was Han Lea Crescent but I think Han recovered well

ctesjbuvf posted...

You're right it was the optimal play. I was too focused on feeling very strong about Han/Lea being scum.

that's fair haha. in any case you were still on the right track and weren't one of the people who botched EoD

UltimaterializerX posted...

And especially shout out Wallz. Fuckin professional genius!!

Thanks Ulti, youre kind. I never really suspected scum at any point so I dont feel very genius tbh. Got fixated on bct, sheep, you as youre well aware, ctes, and never even got around to sharing thoughts when I suspected crescent and Dumey for a time. One game is a small sample size which Ill keep in mind for future games, but Ill be a better player for this next time for sure.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Ben replacing in really helped me. I felt so good about him, I couldn't quite figure BCT out.

May I ask how? Not a criticism, I truly dont get how people saw Andy as scum here.

wallmasterz posted...

Thanks Ulti, youre kind. I never really suspected scum at any point so I dont feel very genius tbh. Got fixated on bct, sheep, you as youre well aware, ctes, and never even got around to sharing thoughts when I suspected crescent and Dumey for a time. One game is a small sample size which Ill keep in mind for future games, but Ill be a better player for this next time for sure.

Attitude matters more than results. You are a treasure to play with so who cares if we lost?

Trust me. I learned that lesson the very hard way and Id rather you take my word for it than have to go through like 5 community bans plus a bunch of modkills and replacements. Crescent was not joking; I was an absolute Machiavellian asshole ten years ago and its a miracle I came out the other side to have any friends on here.

Blame Han. Some people are born to help others and you can tell its his calling in life.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

wtf it was Sultan?

LOL

all the claimed Town power was power except the drunk, that's a riot

Lol okay Han was also scum this is actually really funny

Chaeix posted... (t5.98)
wrong topic awkward

Oh my god I am still laughing about this one. Im so glad it happened. Jc you literally cracked me up. The combo of Pamela being suplexed and cappy better hit Tingle or else! is great

Aigis tracks and suplexes Pamela
Labrys tells Mario that Cappy better hit Tingle or else!
Done

something something here we go in a Mario voice

Play Undertale.