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TheSultanOfSlam
03/06/23 9:57:31 PM
#252:


What I mean by that is his exchange wirh Dumey in posts in the 190s of topic one

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Chaeix
03/06/23 10:00:30 PM
#253:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Though I will give JC this.

The limited stuff I saw From Mzero I didn't mind.

I dont nessisarily think that makes him town but some decent thoughts on sheep and Dumey when he was here
Which somewhat ironically Ulti agrees with. He pointed out Post 196 for MZero being where his town read came from. Coincidentally, where my read of MZero came from!

Who would have thought - my contentless-wall (and follow up responses) beating Ulti to the punch on reading MZero.


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SirChris
03/06/23 10:03:14 PM
#254:


Chaeix posted...
Which somewhat ironically Ulti agrees with. He pointed out Post 196 for MZero being where his town read came from. Coincidentally, where my read of MZero came from!

Who would have thought - my contentless-wall (and follow up responses) beating Ulti to the punch on reading MZero.

This is why I asked Ulti this btw.

Because he hates your wall but has enough to think Mzero is town is ??? to me.

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/06/23 10:03:41 PM
#255:


ctesjbuvf posted...
Now thinking it would be interesting myself, I did Chris' homework.

1- BlueCrystalTear
2- Crescent-Moon - Called it hit and run. Said it felt like he asked the game to analyze votes instead of doing it himself, probably not only directed to the claim.
3- ctes - Thought it didn't align with Sheep's initial post about claiming. Thought flavor didn't matter.
4- Death - Disliked him humoring same time at this stage, couldn't follow him. Thinks Dumey baked off to easily.
5- EDumey - Unvoted and understood the supposed idea. Thought it not being something to get around trackers made it more believable.
6- Han - Felt better about Sheep due to no flavor.
7- JC
8- Lea - Felt ignored, asked for flavor but doesn't think it matters, called it a hair trigger claim. Agreed with ctes. Didn't get the fun in town vanilla claiming early and doesn't think it was a genuine feeling or offer. Thought it's good as scum.
9- MZero
10- Sheep007 - Did the claim.
11- SirChris - Tried to be cute and played Yakuza. Didn't want to get into wifom with flavor.
12- Sultan - Thought it seemed odd and guessed he tried to pull a gambit. Neutral on the flavor aspect.
13- UltimaterializerX - Wanted a vote him in spitit because of claiming vanilla with no flavor and thought it had to do with discord issues.
14- wallmasterz - Expected more of him than say vanilla and run so kept his vote for now.

In case it isn't obvious, the remaining three people have said nothing yet. They also haven't been around except that JC came in and said he will catch up.

Don't think this turned out to be too useful to sum up like this but there we go.


Oh ctes is another wall that comes to mind.. I ment to mention earlier his might actually be the worst one.

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/06/23 10:03:57 PM
#256:


Actually ##vote:Ctes

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Chaeix
03/06/23 10:04:12 PM
#257:


ctes' was a direct response to being asked by Chris though.

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Chaeix
03/06/23 10:05:02 PM
#258:


SirChris posted...
I am going to play yakuza and be cute. There is a post game dungeon.

You can be my assistant though. List generally everyone's reaction to sheep's claim and any who have not given a reaction. We are information gathering ctes.


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Crescent-Moon
03/06/23 10:05:10 PM
#259:


I don't have much of a problem with JC's first real content post being a block containing a list because that's totally something I've done before when coming back from well behind. I just found some parts of it awkward, like the MZero blurb.

I feel like there was a delayed reaction before anyone actually started calling him scum for it, which I find... Curious?

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/06/23 10:05:16 PM
#260:


It's all in response to the sheep claim.

I guess it's not as bad as I thought.

But i guess it provides a summary on everyone's stance but why?

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Chaeix
03/06/23 10:06:10 PM
#262:


Crescent-Moon posted...
I don't have much of a problem with JC's first real content post being a block containing a list because that's totally something I've done before when coming back from well behind. I just found some parts of it awkward, like the MZero blurb.

I feel like there was a delayed reaction before anyone actually started calling him scum for it, which I find... Curious?
probably because my reads are such fire that scum didn't know what to do with them

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/06/23 10:06:22 PM
#263:


Yeah I guess it's fine...

Since it was at a request just seems like a hey look I'm helping im town post is more or less what I'm getting at.

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/06/23 10:07:03 PM
#264:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


A different kind of wall with the same thought of hey look I'm town is what I ment idk if that makes sense

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EDumey
03/06/23 10:07:37 PM
#266:


Yeah, despite being in a list, that was not a "list post" from Ctes.

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Crescent-Moon
03/06/23 10:07:51 PM
#267:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
It's all in response to the sheep claim.

I guess it's not as bad as I thought.

But i guess it provides a summary on everyone's stance but why?

Chaeix posted...
ctes' was a direct response to being asked by Chris though.


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SirChris
03/06/23 10:08:11 PM
#268:


what I responded to ctes' list!

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SirChris
03/06/23 10:08:52 PM
#269:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Yeah I guess it's fine...

Since it was at a request just seems like a hey look I'm helping im town post is more or less what I'm getting at.

Sultan, go make a list for me


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TheSultanOfSlam
03/06/23 10:18:26 PM
#270:


SirChris posted...
Sultan, go make a list for me

I mean I can I guess

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Crescent-Moon
03/06/23 10:19:19 PM
#271:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
I mean I can I guess
Do, or do not.

There is no try.

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SirChris
03/06/23 10:22:01 PM
#273:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
I mean I can I guess

congratulations you are now as scummy as ctes was for making that list.

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/06/23 10:36:51 PM
#274:


Give me a few juat sitting down for dinner

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/06/23 11:06:22 PM
#275:


1- BlueCrystalTear- this has been typical BCT behavior. I am leaning more so town for him based on the votes he layed down and some of his read being thought out rather than thrown at the wall. Only slight note not to be solid town I thought he be more active.

2- Crescent-Moon- pretty sure this is town Creasent right now. She came in pretty aggressive after her im a kitty cute Fliff she does.

3- ctes- only thing that got me was the main thing I saw from him was that response to Chris is the main reason I was bringing it up. It seemed like a hey look at me please im town! But I could be looking to into it for sure.

4- Death- ??? Never get good reads on Death

5- EDumey- dumey's I was gonna claim but nah. Thing was weird. The other play has been okay. I haven't had the most memorable

6- Han- Han seems fine for now.

7- JC- his list seems a little un nessisarily long for the lack of reads he actually has.

8- Lea- she's being cute funny Lea but not sure if that has any alignment indication.

9- MZero- very little from Mzero, but what I've seen I liked. Last few games I feel like I've been able to read town MZERO. He is town I think he will make the rght reads then disappoints me. What 3 games in a row now lol.

10- Sheep007- provided thoughts on sheep earlier.

11- SirChris- always weary of chris but if i had to pick a side right now id pick town

13- UltimaterializerX- ulti usually makes himself an easy read. The fact i was in the same wave length on jc was a bit weird.

14- wallmasterz- so far I like Walls day 1 pass I dont think is even needed I wouldn't lynch Walls today.

So I guess I'd lynch one of

Sheep
Jc
Or
Dumey.

Day 1 isn't my forty


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TheSultanOfSlam
03/06/23 11:06:36 PM
#276:


Oh and Death I guess but I got nothing

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Crescent-Moon
03/06/23 11:08:17 PM
#277:


UltimaterializerX posted... My current poe is Dumey, Sheep, and Justin. Add Wall if it was day 2. Feeling good about almost everyone else.


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
So I guess I'd lynch one of

Sheep
Jc
Or
Dumey.

Interesting.

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/06/23 11:08:27 PM
#278:


Also weird no one even posted anything in that gap

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Crescent-Moon
03/06/23 11:11:37 PM
#279:


Wait did you say being a cute kitty is fluff...

Well you're right, it is fluffy <3

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/06/23 11:12:40 PM
#280:


Crescent-Moon posted...
Wait did you say being a cute kitty is fluff...

Well you're right, it is fluffy <3

More or less It's your go to no matter what you're always a kitty. The game play matches your town intensity

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/06/23 11:14:27 PM
#281:




oh

##unvote: Ctes

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MZero
03/06/23 11:22:04 PM
#282:


Chaeix posted...
classic waking up in PST and there being a few hundred more posts than when I went to bed

will have thoughts for you all in the next little while

try waking up in JST

(catching up)

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EDumey
03/06/23 11:40:03 PM
#283:


Oh my. Sultan, no matter how many people call Crescent or Lea cute, know that you're the real cutie here.

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MZero
03/06/23 11:40:09 PM
#284:


i feel very attacked on page 3

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Crescent-Moon
03/06/23 11:44:26 PM
#285:


MZero posted...
i feel very attacked on page 3
Then do something about it <3

EDumey posted...
Oh my. Sultan, no matter how many people call Crescent or Lea cute, know that you're the real cutie here.
I'm adorable.

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TheSultanOfSlam
03/06/23 11:49:51 PM
#286:


Did dumey just hit on me lol??

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MZero
03/07/23 12:01:58 AM
#287:


Crescent-Moon posted...
Then do something about it <3

hey he said "a" proper discussion, singular

I engaged in a conversation with Dumey!

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BlueCrystalTear
03/07/23 12:04:15 AM
#288:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
1- BlueCrystalTear- this has been typical BCT behavior. I am leaning more so town for him based on the votes he layed down and some of his read being thought out rather than thrown at the wall. Only slight note not to be solid town I thought he be more active.
Hi, I'm here. I had a social life tonight, what's up?

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MZero
03/07/23 12:19:33 AM
#289:


Crescent-Moon posted...
What I find interesting is MZero posted 5 times and the soft defense of you is the only thing that resembles content in any of his posts. Everything else was fluff.

Um, I attacked Dumey for his of Sheep, and only soft defended him when Dumey asked me directly if I thought he was wrong about it

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EDumey
03/07/23 12:57:36 AM
#290:


Hello BCT. Hello MZero. Do you two need help guiding a conversation? I was hoping I'd have some new posts to come back to from you two! Give me some thoughts.

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BlueCrystalTear
03/07/23 1:01:56 AM
#291:


"I think, therefore I am." - Descartes

I don't really have any thoughts that somebody else hasn't already expressed tbh. Still got a scum soul read on wallz but we aren't lynching him today.

Though there is ONE thing... Ulti suspected me at the top of Page 5. Then he said this 20 minutes later:
UltimaterializerX posted...
My current poe is Dumey, Sheep, and Justin. Add Wall if it was day 2. Feeling good about almost everyone else.

Why'd he change his mind so fast?

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EDumey
03/07/23 1:14:11 AM
#292:


BCT, take no offence to this, but I feel like my impression is that you've only commented on people or things directly related to you. I don't have much of a memory of you giving opinions on other topics. Let me ask you a couple general questions just to poke your brain.

  1. The easy one, Sheep's claim. What did you think of Sheep before claim? What did you think of Sheep's claim? Do you think anyone's reactions to Sheep's claim positive or negative stood out?
  2. More recent, JC. Han, Ulti, and Sultan all called out JC's list post as being bad, for maybe differing reasons. Do you think there's merit to them calling out JC's list, or was it an okay post?
  3. A harder one, thoughts on SirChris. He led a train on Sheep to get a claim out of him, and posted his thoughts on the results in post 2.043, then tried to start something on Ulti, but got no one to bite and said it was bait. Do you think this is a Town Chris trying to solve the game?
MZero, if you are around still tonight and don't have anything else you want to bring up, you are free to answer these questions as well.

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MZero
03/07/23 1:31:16 AM
#293:


EDumey posted...
The easy one, Sheep's claim. What did you think of Sheep before claim? What did you think of Sheep's claim? Do you think anyone's reactions to Sheep's claim positive or negative stood out?

I still think Sheep seems town from the whole thing. It was wholly unnecessary to draw that much attention to himself and I can't think of a way it benefits scum. I think Sheep is town and was just trying to get some conversation going as it was still pretty early in the day. I don't think scum is particularly antsy to get the ball rolling usually. Scum certainly make boneheaded plays, so he's not town cleared by any means, but I don't have any reason to suspect him for it. I don't see the scum motive.

EDumey posted...
More recent, JC. Han, Ulti, and Sultan all called out JC's list post as being bad, for maybe differing reasons. Do you think there's merit to them calling out JC's list, or was it an okay post?

I think Han made a valid point about it sounding like JC was trying to comment on everyone, but it felt pretty authentic to me. He wasn't afraid to say he didn't have a read yet or that all he had was gut. He didn't say much about Han himself either, relevant to this game at least. I didn't feel like he was forcing anything, so I'm fine with the list. The list = scum argument is bad, though. You have to actually analyze the contents.

EDumey posted...
A harder one, thoughts on SirChris. He led a train on Sheep to get a claim out of him, and posted his thoughts on the results in post 2.043, then tried to start something on Ulti, but got no one to bite and said it was bait. Do you think this is a Town Chris trying to solve the game?

So far so good on Chris. He's poking around to see where things go and stimulating the game in a pro-town way as far as I can tell. I don't really remember a scum Chris game though, not sure I've ever seen it.

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BlueCrystalTear
03/07/23 1:31:53 AM
#294:


EDumey posted...
The easy one, Sheep's claim. What did you think of Sheep before claim? What did you think of Sheep's claim? Do you think anyone's reactions to Sheep's claim positive or negative stood out?
Sheep before claim was acting shifty. The fact that he said he was thinking of claiming out of the gate, only to claim vanilla without flavor, makes me incredibly suspicious. Everyone reacted to this the same way I did. I had no idea what the hell he was doing and it felt like he was justifying things backward.

More recent, JC. Han, Ulti, and Sultan all called out JC's list post as being bad, for maybe differing reasons. Do you think there's merit to them calling out JC's list, or was it an okay post?
Recall I made an early list post myself that was meant to be my initial impressions on people. This was different than JC because I didn't feel compelled to put something down for everyone; if I had nothing, I said I had nothing. JC's list did feel forced at times but that's a likely null tell. There's nothing wrong with someone listing out their feelings on each remaining person, but there's still merit to calling out specific parts of it that stand out.

A harder one, thoughts on SirChris. He led a train on Sheep to get a claim out of him, and posted his thoughts on the results in post 2.043, then tried to start something on Ulti, but got no one to bite and said it was bait. Do you think this is a Town Chris trying to solve the game?
This is Chris we're discussing. Chris is Chris. He's an absolute master of Mafia, regardless of alignment. His Poke Wars Mafia performance was a masterpiece and I frankly find it impossible to read him so early. All this said, Chris tends to control the narrative and brings scum out into the open, so that's probably what he's doing. It's his style of play.

With Chris, if he's alive Day 3, there's a lot of cause for concern. Scum teams fear him. Towns fear scum Chris. I think my stance here has to be "just wait and see" because this is the first time I've played with Chris since my one-off disaster in 2018.

Now I DO like these questions you're asking me. It's certainly indicative of someone trying to solve the game.

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MZero
03/07/23 1:34:57 AM
#295:


I have a question for you too, Dumey.

EDumey posted...
I think I'm okay with taking a more aggressive line this game and actually pressuring for claims, as opposed to the last two games where we had very low commitment until very end of day. Plus I think there's something actually valuable to asses from Sheep's claim to see if it matches with him following my soft claim page 1.

First of all, weren't you scum the last two games? I can't exactly explain why, but it feels unnatural to be comparing your current playstyle as town to previous scum games. Might be nothing but I wanted to point it out.

As for my question, what role could Sheep have claimed that you would have said didn't match with him following your soft claim? Since you said Vanilla made sense, I'm wondering what wouldn't have.

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htaeD
03/07/23 1:42:00 AM
#296:


*scoffs*

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MZero
03/07/23 1:43:37 AM
#297:


htaeD posted...
*scoffs*

I see your scoff and raise you a nasty look

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htaeD
03/07/23 1:45:43 AM
#298:


But to be serious now. I already made clear that Monday is the day for me with the least time.

Dont you worry JC
On the phone right now. But I will be able to answer you soon. Not that I agree with your assessment of 'shockingly little"

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htaeD
03/07/23 1:50:38 AM
#299:


Mzero softdefending sheep is why I asked Sheep about mzero btw

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htaeD
03/07/23 1:52:18 AM
#300:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Oh and Death I guess but I got nothing

This is a strange thing coming from someone who seemed to not like JCs opinion on me.

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