Poll of the Day > Dutch soldiers shot in the US

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Nichtcrawler-X
08/27/22 3:49:05 PM
#51:


Is it just a repeal, or is there currently a movement to properly integrate the US in ICC proceedings?

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08/27/22 4:09:55 PM
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Nichtcrawler-X posted...
So one of your soldiers being put on legal trial over here is enough to declare war on us, but our soldiers being shot in your country is "just another day in paradise"?

Arent those two different things, though? I wouldnt call them comparable

shadowsword87 posted...
The sword of damocles is a common saying, I don't know why people are so hung up about it.

Maybe it is in certain places. Throughout my life in the areas Ive lived, its hasnt really been common. Ive heard it maybe a couple of times ever So, I guess it also depends on what you consider common But Ive heard other phrases used more in place of it, I guess

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Dikitain
08/27/22 4:32:48 PM
#53:


Nichtcrawler-X posted...
Is it just a repeal, or is there currently a movement to properly integrate the US in ICC proceedings?
Just a repeal. The point to integrate the US in the ICC was back in 98 when it was laying out the blueprints of how it wanted the ICC to function. When none of those came to fruition, any chance of the US being part of the ICC was dead and not joining is essentially the only thing Democrats and Republicans can agree upon (other then raising their own salaries).

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ParanoidObsessive
08/27/22 6:00:25 PM
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Nichtcrawler-X posted...
You have to remember, in this use of the analogy, I am below the sword and you/US posters are effectively holding on to its string.

Unless you spend at least a few hours of your day every day worrying about this, it's not really a Sword of Damocles.

And if you DO spend at least a few hours of your day every day worrying about this, then you probably need to get some hobbies.

A Sword of Damocles is more like what we had in the Cuban Missile Crisis (or just the Cold War in general), where there was always a looming threat that something could go wrong and things would spiral out of control into a catastrophic clusterfuck. Where everyone was on edge, brinksmanship would impede any effort to mediate or de-escalate, and where the consequences of things going wrong were utterly dire.

This is more like a landmine in the middle of nowhere with a 90% chance of the fuse being a dud. Sure, it could blow up, but most likely it's never going to. Regardless of what agreements exist, the likelihood of any scenario that would escalate to a meaningful point is almost zero. This isn't something you should worry about at all, and it's something very few Americans even remotely give a shit about.

It's not a Sword of Damocles dangling overhead, it's a Sword of Derpules propped up against the wall in the corner of a room no one ever really goes into.

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Lil_Bit83
08/27/22 6:11:10 PM
#55:


Jen0125 posted...
I mean if your off duty soldiers were possibly in a fight over something earlier.. They're in America. People solve problems with gun violence here. You need to be aware of the culture of where you're visiting and act smart. I'm glad they're okay it seems. I hope the third one is okay too. But yes, that is our culture here. Don't visit.
Or you know, people could learn to deal with it like adults and not tantrum throwing psychotic hillbillies.

Anyway, why did they get shot? This is the first I've heard. Was it a robbery? Was it a hate crime? Was it some murderous serial killer? A drive-by shooting?

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wpot
08/27/22 6:12:13 PM
#56:


Yeah, the odds that the US will attack the Dutch over a prosecution is negative zero. It would be nice if that law could be cleaned up, but there are probably a few tens of thousands of other problems that are more pressing out there. I'm sure there is some discussion I'm unaware of, but negative zero is still in effect.

Unless, maybe, you try to prosecute Trump for something (that I'm sure he did) with a Republican in office. In that case I'm joining your side.

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Jen0125
08/27/22 6:20:51 PM
#57:


Lil_Bit83 posted...
Or you know, people could learn to deal with it like adults and not tantrum throwing psychotic hillbillies.

Yes, I agree.
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Kyuubi4269
08/27/22 7:08:50 PM
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Dikitain posted...

I have heard the phase before, but outside of the edgiest of edge-lords, no one is using it in common speech.

A better (and more common) phase would be calling it a "powder keg" or something similar.

Maybe in the states, but that's just more damning of the US education system than anything.

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Zareth
08/27/22 7:23:38 PM
#59:


The Netherlands is my favorite name for my taint

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Nichtcrawler-X
08/27/22 7:24:34 PM
#60:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
A Sword of Damocles is more like what we had in the Cuban Missile Crisis (or just the Cold War in general), where there was always a looming threat that something could go wrong and things would spiral out of control into a catastrophic clusterfuck.

And the US invading a (fellow) NATO country would not spiral out of control into a catastrophic clusterfuck?

Just reminds me of when I got upset over there (probably) being US nukes at Volkel and people mocking me over getting upset, because that discussion was (apparently) held over three decades ago and people had slowly just accepted they were there...

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Cacciato
08/27/22 8:12:52 PM
#61:


Zareth posted...
The Netherlands is my favorite name for my taint
Lmfao

Nichtcrawler-X posted...
And the US invading a (fellow) NATO country would not spiral out of control into a catastrophic clusterfuck?

Just reminds me of when I got upset over there (probably) being US nukes at Volkel and people mocking me over getting upset, because that discussion was (apparently) held over three decades ago and people had slowly just accepted they were there...
I feel like people probably mock you for a lot of things.
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shadowsword87
08/28/22 12:14:06 AM
#62:


Nichtcrawler-X posted...
Just reminds me of when I got upset over there (probably) being US nukes at Volkel and people mocking me over getting upset, because that discussion was (apparently) held over three decades ago and people had slowly just accepted they were there...

Welcome to the cold war, everyone is involved.
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Revelation34
08/28/22 2:15:00 AM
#63:


Nichtcrawler-X posted...


And the US invading a (fellow) NATO country would not spiral out of control into a catastrophic clusterfuck?

Just reminds me of when I got upset over there (probably) being US nukes at Volkel and people mocking me over getting upset, because that discussion was (apparently) held over three decades ago and people had slowly just accepted they were there...


Today in things that will literally never happen.

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Krazy_Kirby
08/28/22 5:21:52 PM
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why would you care? you think murderers should just get to live their life in prison anyway

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Nichtcrawler-X
08/28/22 5:45:29 PM
#65:


Krazy_Kirby posted...
why would you care? you think murderers should just get to live their life in prison anyway

Yes? As opposed to not locking them up in prison?

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VampireCoyote
08/28/22 5:59:15 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/2/3/AAfSRzAADnNP.jpg

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Zareth
08/28/22 6:00:29 PM
#67:


Do they speak Dutch in Dutchland?

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teddy241
08/28/22 6:27:42 PM
#68:


Probably over a woman/women at a bar etc
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Nichtcrawler-X
08/30/22 6:47:51 AM
#69:


No official statements about the nature of the incident yet.

The soldier that was critical has died.

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slacker03150
08/30/22 7:14:29 AM
#70:


As an American, I am willing to do my part in providing reparations and I willingly submit myself to a dutch prison. I will even accept citizenship so that law you brought up can be ignored.

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Jen0125
08/30/22 8:18:38 AM
#71:


slacker03150 posted...
As an American, I am willing to do my part in providing reparations and I willingly submit myself to a dutch prison. I will even accept citizenship so that law you brought up can be ignored.

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slacker03150
08/30/22 10:14:21 AM
#72:


Jen0125 posted...
Lmao
Shhh. Don't blow this for me. This could be my chance to escape.

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Jen0125
08/30/22 10:27:11 AM
#73:


slacker03150 posted...
Shhh. Don't blow this for me. This could be my chance to escape.

I mean I'm willing to go to Dutch prison too
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Sarcasthma
08/30/22 10:55:55 AM
#74:


Jen0125 posted...
I mean I'm willing to go to Dutch prison too
They don't even have the death penalty there; they just Dutch oven their most heinous criminals.

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shadowsword87
08/30/22 2:47:58 PM
#75:


I get to sit down, read some books, maybe watch some TV, and potentially get highly educated? Hell yeah.
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Jen0125
08/30/22 2:49:39 PM
#76:


Sarcasthma posted...
They don't even have the death penalty there; they just Dutch oven their most heinous criminals.

Cover me in fart gas, baby!
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Nichtcrawler-X
08/30/22 2:54:45 PM
#77:


Yep. no death penalty, no slavery.

It is supposed to be about rehabilitation foremost, not punishment.

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Sarcasthma
08/30/22 10:13:33 PM
#78:


Jen0125 posted...
Cover me in fart gas, baby!

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/3/9/AAY0mLAADnxb.png

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VampireCoyote
08/30/22 10:22:25 PM
#79:


scheetgas lmao

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Nichtcrawler-X
08/31/22 5:21:01 PM
#80:


Court documents state that the group accused of attacking and killing the soldiers was just "looking for trouble".

1 person has been arrested on the charge of murder.

The age of the murdered commando has been given as 26.

I am not posting names directly, since that is not the Dutch way and I am uncomfortable with it.

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Jen0125
08/31/22 5:24:20 PM
#81:


Wouldn't surprise me. Unprompted violent crime isn't uncommon here.
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Nichtcrawler-X
08/31/22 5:25:41 PM
#82:


The majority of responses on the Dutch sites is just utter disbelief at US gun laws and a condemnation of them.

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Jen0125
08/31/22 5:26:02 PM
#83:


Nichtcrawler-X posted...
The majority of responses on the Dutch sites is just utter disbelief at US gun laws and a condemnation of them.

Good. I hope your government presses the issue.
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Nichtcrawler-X
08/31/22 5:30:35 PM
#84:


I am assuming "Elite Commandos" are considerable monetary assets. Military spending has always been a contested issue here, so at the very least there is economic motivation for our government.

(I mean, for Rutte and Kaag, going all in on this would be good for their image)

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Jen0125
08/31/22 5:35:51 PM
#85:


We need world leaders to point the finger at our culture more and openly discuss how abhorrent it is here.
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Zareth
08/31/22 6:49:58 PM
#86:


I feel like that would just embolden conservachuds more

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Jen0125
08/31/22 6:51:43 PM
#87:


Zareth posted...
I feel like that would just embolden conservachuds more

Who cares? Fuck them. Coddling them and their feelings and heinous beliefs is what got us to where we are now.
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Nichtcrawler-X
08/31/22 7:27:24 PM
#88:


Jen0125 posted...
No, it's an informal name for a country.

Turns out a channel I follow actually posted a video on this recently, that I missed. But youtube has started commending it to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUiWLxGv3zU

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Jen0125
08/31/22 7:37:34 PM
#89:


Nichtcrawler-X posted...
Turns out a channel I follow actually posted a video on this recently, that I missed. But youtube has started commending it to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUiWLxGv3zU

I don't call it Holland. I said it's a name associated with The Netherlands lol
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Nichtcrawler-X
08/31/22 7:54:07 PM
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I just needed a post to quote for context.

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Krazy_Kirby
09/01/22 3:00:52 AM
#91:


Nichtcrawler-X posted...
Yep. no death penalty, no slavery.

It is supposed to be about rehabilitation foremost, not punishment.


can't rehabilitate a murderer, nor do they deserve that option

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Cacciato
09/01/22 3:44:22 AM
#92:


Krazy_Kirby posted...
can't rehabilitate a murderer, nor do they deserve that option
Its like you constantly try to outdo your own stupidity.
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ReturnOfFa
09/01/22 10:03:38 AM
#93:


Nichtcrawler-X posted...
You have to remember, in this use of the analogy, I am below the sword and you/US posters are effectively holding on to its string.

That is obviously going to affect how each of us views the risk and dangers involved.
What if we all aren't living in your metaphor?

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Jen0125
09/01/22 10:07:35 AM
#94:


Krazy_Kirby posted...
can't rehabilitate a murderer, nor do they deserve that option

You absolutely can lol not everyone who murders is a mentally ill and deranged serial killer
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Nichtcrawler-X
09/01/22 10:14:34 AM
#95:


ReturnOfFa posted...
What if we all aren't living in your metaphor?

Are you saing you are not from this world, or questioning the risk and danger posed by the Hague Invasion Act?

Sure, you can question the severity of the Sword, but it exists, that is undeniable.

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adjl
09/01/22 2:07:16 PM
#96:


Krazy_Kirby posted...
can't rehabilitate a murderer,

What's your basis for believing this?

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Revelation34
09/01/22 2:16:29 PM
#97:


Jen0125 posted...


Good. I hope your government presses the issue.


Why would the United States government care?

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Jen0125
09/01/22 2:17:36 PM
#98:


Revelation34 posted...
Why would the United States government care?

Why would they? They wouldn't because they think they're above consequence. But they should care.
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