Poll of the Day > Dutch soldiers shot in the US

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Nichtcrawler-X
08/27/22 11:34:30 AM
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Anyone here read about the shooting in Indianapolis?

Dutch elite soldiers (at the time off duty, but in the US for training) were shot in front of their hotel.

Is US news reporting on this? What is the news saying over there?

Edit: most US news sites either refuse me access, and the ones that do mention nothing about the identity of the victims.

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VampireCoyote
08/27/22 11:39:09 AM
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Three Dutch commandos were injured in a shooting in Indianapolis, Indiana, early Saturday morning. All three men were hospitalized, and at least one of them was in critical condition, and one was in stable condition.
A statement from the Dutch Ministry of Defense indicated two of the victims are conscious and were able to answer questions. However, a police spokesperson told local media outlets that two men were in critical condition.

The incident happened just after 3:30 a.m. local time on the 100 block of South Meridian, the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department told NL Times. An argument on the street may have preceded the shooting.
The shooting took place in front of the hotel where the commandos are staying, the ministry said. The incident happened during the military members free time. There were no arrests made in the case, and the investigation is ongoing, the ministry added.

Prior to the shooting, the three commandos may have gotten into a fight at a different location, local broadaster WISH reported. Several witnesses were interviewed, and police were following leads in the hours after the shooting that could take them to the suspects involved.
Indianapolis police were not immediately able to release a description of the suspect or suspects involved. Investigators do not believe the incident was random, police told local television station WRTV.
The three military personnel are part of the Dutch Commando Corps. They were in the United States taking part in a training exercise in the Indiana. Their families were notified of the shooting.
WRTV reported that it was the second time in a week that three people were shot in a single incident in Indianapolis.

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DragonClaw01
08/27/22 11:47:01 AM
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No. But we got shooter fatigue over here. It may be shocking to the Dutch, but it is just another day in paradise over here.

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wpot
08/27/22 11:51:17 AM
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DragonClaw01 posted...
No. But we got shooter fatigue over here. It may be shocking to the Dutch, but it is just another day in paradise over here.


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Nichtcrawler-X
08/27/22 11:54:48 AM
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So one of your soldiers being put on legal trial over here is enough to declare war on us, but our soldiers being shot in your country is "just another day in paradise"?

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wpot
08/27/22 11:57:44 AM
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Nichtcrawler-X posted...
So one of your soldiers being put on legal trial over here is enough to declare war on us
The US public doesn't know anything about that, either. Lock him up if he's guilty of something, I say.

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Nichtcrawler-X
08/27/22 12:00:38 PM
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wpot posted...
The US public doesn't know anything about that, either.

It is not currently happening, just a theoretical based on your laws.

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Revelation34
08/27/22 12:01:53 PM
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Nichtcrawler-X posted...


It is not currently happening, just a theoretical based on your laws.


That's not how that would work.

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Jen0125
08/27/22 12:01:53 PM
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I mean if your off duty soldiers were in a fight over something earlier.. They're in America. People solve problems with gun violence here. You need to be aware of the culture of where you're visiting and act smart. I'm glad they're okay it seems. I hope the third one is okay too. But yes, that is our culture here. Don't visit.
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Jen0125
08/27/22 12:02:33 PM
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If you do visit mind your own business and avoid getting in fights.
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Nichtcrawler-X
08/27/22 12:04:24 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
That's not how that would work.

You basically have a law that demands the US to goto war with the Netherlands if the ICC ever tries a US citizen.

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Nichtcrawler-X
08/27/22 12:05:58 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
I mean if your off duty soldiers were possibly in a fight over something earlier.. They're in America. People solve problems with gun violence here. You need to be aware of the culture of where you're visiting and act smart. I'm glad they're okay it seems. I hope the third one is okay too. But yes, that is our culture here. Don't visit.

These are the kind of soldiers that know how to escalate and de-escalate any situation. That they are the only ones that got hurt shows they let the other side live.

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Jen0125
08/27/22 12:07:30 PM
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Nichtcrawler-X posted...
These are the kind of soldiers that know how to escalate and de-escalate any situation. That they are the only ones that got hurt shows they let the other side live.

They apparently weren't de-escalated enough if they were in a confrontation. You have to understand that people kill each other here for cutting them off in traffic. It's entirely possible they did something they thought was benign but wasn't to someone. It's possible they were victims of random gun violence. That is the nature of being here. That's why it wouldn't make anyone think extra about the fact it was Dutch soldiers. Anyone here can get shot.

We just aren't surprised anymore. We just kind of think...another day, another shooting.
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Lokarin
08/27/22 12:08:39 PM
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this might be a dumb observation, but it's kinda encouraging that so many people survive getting shot these days

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Nichtcrawler-X
08/27/22 12:08:57 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
That's why it wouldn't make anyone think extra about the fact it was Dutch soldiers.

Even if it could incite an international political incident?


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Jen0125
08/27/22 12:09:41 PM
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Nichtcrawler-X posted...
Even if it could incite an international political incident?

What is The Netherlands going to do to us?
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Lokarin
08/27/22 12:10:11 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
What is The Netherlands going to do to us?

sink the US like they did the Doggerland?

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Jen0125
08/27/22 12:10:47 PM
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I mean maybe the government is freaking out but citizens literally will not think anything more about it. It's just another day, another gun violence problem.
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Nichtcrawler-X
08/27/22 12:12:35 PM
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Maybe it will remind Biden the "Hague Invasion Act" exists and finally revoke it.

Because you really want a law on the books that when enacting it, would lead to war with many of your allies...

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Jen0125
08/27/22 12:14:10 PM
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America is still, unfortunately, above reproach but I love your spunky attitude. I wish some entity would come stop some of the things happening here as we slide into a Christofascist murder society.
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VampireCoyote
08/27/22 12:15:17 PM
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Most Americans cant even find Dutch on a map

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Jen0125
08/27/22 12:16:38 PM
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VampireCoyote posted...
Most Americans cant even find Dutch on a map

Most Americans wouldn't know that the word Dutch refers to The Netherlands. Or that Holland could be involved as well.
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VampireCoyote
08/27/22 12:17:37 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
Most Americans wouldn't know that the word Dutch refers to The Netherlands. Or that Holland could be involved as well.

dont stink up my joke with your knowledge

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Nichtcrawler-X
08/27/22 12:19:23 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
Or that Holland could be involved as well.

"Holland" is not a country.

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Jen0125
08/27/22 12:21:51 PM
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Nichtcrawler-X posted...
"Holland" is not a country.

No, it's an informal name for a country.
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Nichtcrawler-X
08/27/22 12:23:03 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
No, it's an informal name for a country.

Are you a Yankee?

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ReturnOfFa
08/27/22 12:23:47 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
No, it's an informal name for a country.
If you don't know things, sure. Not to be rude, but that's a super American perspective lol. Holland is...not an informal name for anything. Holland is a region in the Netherlands. It is not a country nor an informal name for the Netherlands.

*correction, checked wikipedia and apparently it's kind of a thing. I've only met Dutch people that corrected me lol

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ReturnOfFa
08/27/22 12:26:17 PM
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Nichtcrawler-X posted...
You basically have a law that demands the US to goto war with the Netherlands if the ICC ever tries a US citizen.
Doesn't mean it'll be applied.

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Nichtcrawler-X
08/27/22 12:28:11 PM
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ReturnOfFa posted...
Doesn't mean it'll be applied.

Still a Sword of Damocles waiting to eventually fall.

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ReturnOfFa
08/27/22 12:29:39 PM
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Nichtcrawler-X posted...
Still a Sword of Damocles waiting to eventually fall.
maybe if there was a literal sword hanging somewhere but y'know there isn't

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Nichtcrawler-X
08/27/22 12:32:44 PM
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ReturnOfFa posted...
maybe if there was a literal sword hanging somewhere but y'know there isn't

Huh? No, of course not.

It is a figure of speech, the sword is symbolic.

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shadowsword87
08/27/22 12:33:46 PM
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https://www.stripes.com/branches/army/2022-08-23/army-death-south-korea-collision-7077273.html

We must invade south korea, an american soldier died there.
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ReturnOfFa
08/27/22 12:34:29 PM
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Nichtcrawler-X posted...
Huh? No, of course not.

It is a figure of speech, the sword is symbolic.
not really any point in dramatizing a claim with weird symbolism. it's not a sword hanging over anyone's head. it's a law that may or may not be implemented. does it have a historical precedent of being implemented?

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Jen0125
08/27/22 12:36:09 PM
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ReturnOfFa posted...
If you don't know things, sure. Not to be rude, but that's a super American perspective lol. Holland is...not an informal name for anything. Holland is a region in the Netherlands. It is not a country nor an informal name for the Netherlands.

*correction, checked wikipedia and apparently it's kind of a thing. I've only met Dutch people that corrected me lol

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Nichtcrawler-X
08/27/22 12:36:12 PM
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ReturnOfFa posted...
not really any point in dramatizing a claim with weird symbolism.

Where did I use weird symbolism? Damocles Risks and the Sword itself are pretty common phrases.

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ReturnOfFa
08/27/22 12:44:41 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
Okay lol
i've just been abused by dutchmen

Nichtcrawler-X posted...
Where did I use weird symbolism? Damocles Risks and the Sword itself are pretty common phrases.
lol

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CaptBuzzKiII
08/27/22 1:16:47 PM
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Nichtcrawler-X posted...
Where did I use weird symbolism? Damocles Risks and the Sword itself are pretty common phrases.
I dont mean to be a buzzkill or anything but they are not common phrases at all.
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shadowsword87
08/27/22 1:21:01 PM
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The sword of damocles is a common saying, I don't know why people are so hung up about it.
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CaptBuzzKiII
08/27/22 1:25:10 PM
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shadowsword87 posted...
The sword of damocles is a common saying, I don't know why people are so hung up about it.
Maybe in your small circle, but if I was to ask 10 random Americans what the sword of Damocles is, maybe 1-2 would have some idea and I feel like Im being generous by saying that many.
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shadowsword87
08/27/22 1:27:12 PM
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CaptBuzzKiII posted...
Maybe in your small circle, but if I was to ask 10 random Americans what the sword of Damocles is, maybe 1-2 would have some idea and I feel like Im being generous by saying that many.

I think you should read more books.
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Dikitain
08/27/22 1:33:19 PM
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shadowsword87 posted...
I think you should read more books.
I have heard the phase before, but outside of the edgiest of edge-lords, no one is using it in common speech.

A better (and more common) phase would be calling it a "powder keg" or something similar.

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CaptBuzzKiII
08/27/22 1:33:56 PM
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shadowsword87 posted...
I think you should read more books.
I dont mean to be a buzzkill or anything but I knew what it means. To say its a common phrase implies a majority of people would know what it means and that is incorrect.
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Cacciato
08/27/22 1:37:15 PM
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Nichtcrawler-X posted...
So one of your soldiers being put on legal trial over here is enough to declare war on us, but our soldiers being shot in your country is "just another day in paradise"?
Man, youre fucking annoying.
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shadowsword87
08/27/22 1:37:26 PM
#44:


CaptBuzzKiII posted...
I dont mean to be a buzzkill or anything but I knew what it means. To say its a common phrase implies a majority of people would know what it means and that is incorrect.

So if you know what it means, I know what it means, what else could you expect from a common phrase?
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CaptBuzzKiII
08/27/22 1:44:06 PM
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shadowsword87 posted...
So if you know what it means, I know what it means, what else could you expect from a common phrase?
Because we are both nerds on a video game message board and not an accurate representation of the population as a whole. Sorry, but it is not a common phrase at all and thats alright. Dont let it bother you so much.
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Metalsonic66
08/27/22 2:15:10 PM
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CaptBuzzKiII posted...
I dont mean to be a buzzkill or anything
I don't believe you

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Metalsonic66
08/27/22 2:23:51 PM
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Yeah the Sword of Damocles isn't a common phrase but it's not super rare either

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ParanoidObsessive
08/27/22 3:20:23 PM
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Dikitain posted...
I have heard the phase before, but outside of the edgiest of edge-lords, no one is using it in common speech.

I feel you either have a phenomenally incorrect understanding of what "Sword of Damocles" actually means, or a phenomenally incorrect understanding of what "edge-lord" actually means.



CaptBuzzKiII posted...
Because we are both nerds on a video game message board and not an accurate representation of the population as a whole.

Considering he was only talking to nerds on a video game message board and not the entire population as a whole, your entire argument is kind of invalid.

Though to be fair he also kind of misused it in the first place anyway. Because the thing he's worried about isn't as much of a looming threat as he thinks it is.

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Nichtcrawler-X
08/27/22 3:31:46 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Because the thing he's worried about isn't as much of a looming threat as he thinks it is.

You have to remember, in this use of the analogy, I am below the sword and you/US posters are effectively holding on to its string.

That is obviously going to affect how each of us views the risk and dangers involved.

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Dikitain
08/27/22 3:39:46 PM
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Nichtcrawler-X posted...
You have to remember, in this use of the analogy, I am below the sword and you/US posters are effectively holding on to its string.

That is obviously going to affect how each of us views the risk and dangers involved.
Considering there is a bill to repeal it, and it hasn't been invoked in the last 20 years, there isn't much to worry about:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/7523/text

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