Poll of the Day > People suck

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I have this coworker who I feel never tries to debug his own issues and always foists them onto others. I find it extremely frustrating because I am genuinely trying to try/succeed in my position and I feel like he's actively bringing down the organization (and has been for a few years now).

But he's older and ageism and shit. Found it really funny that I as the millennial am working my ass off to try and keep the company successful while this guy as the boomer just sits around and collects a paycheck pushing buttons, likely making more money than me (he definitely lives better than me).

Sorry I worked like ~12 hours a day every day this week trying to fix another coworker's mistakes (honestly I don't blame him for them), and trying to impress my boss.

Have you reflected on why you work so much harder than others? I used to be like you and get annoyed by low performers before I realized that companies don't give a shit about us and now I have no loyalty to any company.

It is really annoying though to do others' work. I think everyone should bare minimum do their own work load.

You new to earth? People have always sucked, that's just how it is.

Jen0125 posted...

Have you reflected on why you work so much harder than others? I used to be like you and get annoyed by low performers before I realized that companies don't give a shit about us and now I have no loyalty to any company.

8 years in the industry and I have not seen a single product launch that I consider successful, and I will work my ass off until the day that a product I designed is actually used by people.
I also seek stability in my life and people actively try and sabotage that stability.

Judgmenl posted...

8 years in the industry and I have not seen a single product launch that I consider successful, and I will work my ass off until the day that a product I designed is actually used by people.
I also seek stability in my life and people actively try and sabotage that stability.

Well I wish you luck. Have you thought of changing companies?

Jen0125 posted...

Well I wish you luck. Have you thought of changing companies?

The benefits I get at this current position would be very hard to expect from another company.
The offset is the salary is slightly below average.

Have you considered that your co-worker is actually an energy vampire, a Colin Robinson if you will; infuriating or frustrating you to drain your energy.

KodyKeir posted...

Have you considered that your co-worker is actually an energy vampire, a Colin Robinson if you will; infuriating or frustrating you to drain your energy.

I know all about energy vampires, and yes, I would consider him one, as I would consider most people.

Judgmenl posted...

8 years in the industry and I have not seen a single product launch that I consider successful, and I will work my ass off until the day that a product I designed is actually used by people.
I also seek stability in my life and people actively try and sabotage that stability.

Ayo youre either in the wrong industry or the wrong companies. 8 years without a successful launch is... bad.

ZangsBeard posted...

Ayo youre either in the wrong industry or the wrong companies. 8 years without a successful launch is... bad.

No, he said what HE considers successful. He may have different standards and is being hard on himself.

Jen0125 posted...

No, he said what HE considers successful. He may have different standards and is being hard on himself.

True. So he either has impossible standards or isnt actively seeking an environment that suits his standards. Also bad.

ZangsBeard posted...

True. So he either has impossible standards or isnt actively seeking an environment that suits his standards. Also bad.

Yes both of those would lead to the low satisfaction he's feeling. Pretty crummy.

ZangsBeard posted...

True. So he either has impossible standards or isnt actively seeking an environment that suits his standards. Also bad.

Both of them are probably right? What's wrong with trying to make your current job environment better? If I worked somewhere where all of the problems were already solved that would be boring as hell.

Jen0125 posted...

Have you reflected on why you work so much harder than others? I used to be like you and get annoyed by low performers before I realized that companies don't give a shit about us and now I have no loyalty to any company.

It is really annoying though to do others' work. I think everyone should bare minimum do their own work load.

Really depends on what company you work for, but yeah, I'd agree that most companies will just take advantage of your hard work and you'll see little to no reward for it. Or they'll give you a non reward like a new position with more work to do for barely increased pay.

The key is finding out if the company you work for sucks which is fairly easy in my experience. Just got to look at how they treat their employees and examine their business practices. But also knowing your value to the company is really important. If you truly are valuable and they know it, you'll generally get paid what you want (within reason) if you don't settle for their corporate spiel trying to talk you down from whatever figure you're looking for. And if your company doesn't offer you a yearly review to discuss your job/pay then leave that company immediately

Judgmenl posted...

Both of them are probably right? What's wrong with trying to make your current job environment better? If I worked somewhere where all of the problems were already solved that would be boring as hell.

Because they wont let you. They want to make a profit at the least expense. What youre experiencing is an exact cause from that. You wont fix it from the inside. Youll do nothing but frustrate yourself and help their bottom line.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

You new to earth? People have always sucked, that's just how it is.

Half of our mythology and religion basically just boils down to coming up with explanations for why we suck so much.

Original Sin, the Five Ages, the Four Yugas, etc. Even scientific concepts like Entropy. It's sort of our calling card that everything is always terrible but also getting worse all the time (even when it isn't necessarily entirely true).

Second job I worked with I had a coworker that was in his late 50s. He had dedicated 15 years of his life to the the company. I tohught that was something to aspire to and decided to always work at a company that valued their employees like that. Current company has two people who have worked there for 20 years each.
That's what I appreciate out of a job.

Oh I just want to get paid a lot to do as little as possible at this point so I can get more time for fulfillment in my home life

let's just say I strongly agree, though it's definitely not universal.

I have yet to suffer coding with others and I can only imagine how potentially awful that could be.

Jen0125 posted...

Oh I just want to get paid a lot to do as little as possible at this point so I can get more time for fulfillment in my home life

#goals

Not all people suck but there are a few bad apples unfortunately. You co-worker sounds like a slacker to me and I have worked with many people who are slackers.

Judgmenl posted...

8 years in the industry and I have not seen a single product launch that I consider successful, and I will work my ass off until the day that a product I designed is actually used by people.
I also seek stability in my life and people actively try and sabotage that stability.

Yeah that's the case for most ideas, you would assume that you can start a company and make it but you really can't. It's more of a fantasy and a mistake. You're better off just doing on your free time and investing as a product after when/if it ever gets successful. At that point, you might not have even done any paperwork to be a company, but you are in practice. If it makes you feel any better you are definitely getting paid more than I am at my startup.

One of the guys I work with says he constantly has to fix other people's SQL queries that literally make no sense, like

SELECT * FROM T1, T2, T3, T4, T5 WHERE id = 4;

And they wonder why it returns literal endless garbage. That is after working in that job for 8 years, with the title "Data Scientist".

My code is good though, so the whole code base is good. I know it's good because I've shown other people how to work with it and they said it was pretty sensible/easy. I used Blazor, cut the fat so much out of the stack, keep a very low line count, and I don't have to use Javascript. Javascript is hit or miss, mostly miss.

People are out there making fun of Blazor for being niche and then they use a tech stack with 7 different frameworks. I use 2.

Yellow posted...

My code is good though, so the whole code base is good. I used Blazor, cut the fat so much out of the stack, keep a very low line count, and I don't have to worry about Javascript.

People are out there making fun of Blazor for being niche and then they use a tech stack with 7 different frameworks. I use 2.

I recently had to learn Django (learn? It took like an hour), due to having to change our stack at work, and I was actually quite impressed that a backend framework could integrate so many different things seamlessly and as easily as it did (especially when stacked with something that serves wsgi), historically I've done all of my backend integrations manually as that was how I was taught to do it. Still have coworkers that seem to struggle with why it's used and how to properly use it, then again these coworkers still manage to struggle with docker 5 years into using it.

Most of the "fun" stuff is when I have to figure out how to do things like take an unprivileged user inside of a container, and execute privileged code on the container's host with the least impact possible (e.g. I don't want to run any software outside of containers). For this current task I think I have a good solution right now, but I hate the idea that I could potentially need another container, but I just don't see a both clean and safe (as in secure) way of enabling a REST API to do what I'm trying to do (without having my endpoints do something "braindead" like use sudo to become privileged).

I won't do my "Microsoft is garbage" rant here,

Judgmenl posted...

I recently had to learn Django (learn? It took like an hour), due to having to change our stack at work, and I was actually quite impressed that a backend framework could integrate so many different things seamlessly and as easily as it did (especially when stacked with something that serves wsgi), historically I've done all of my backend integrations manually as that was how I was taught to do it. Still have coworkers that seem to struggle with why it's used and how to properly use it, then again these coworkers still manage to struggle with docker 5 years into using it.

Thankfully because I control the whole code base I stick to my framework of choice nearly everywhere and would be opposed to integrating any other framework, since I don't see a good reason why I shouldn't, and I think other people will actually appreciate that. But I agree with picking up newer (promising) frameworks designed to streamline the process as a rule of thumb, some people believe in vanilla framework "maturity" but I only see it as more work.

In my canvassing volunteer work our head dev is dead set on a HTML/Javascript static website (independent decision-making on their part), and to that I say have fun writing your own framework instead of learning an established one in this year of 2022.

Keep in mind I am ignorant of most of your experiences and am pretty new to web development in general.

Blazor's biggest downside is that there are no solid UI designer GUIs available for it that I know of, so it's all manual HTML/CSS. I still don't think that would deter me from using it in retrospect, but I would prefer a GUI designer to speed things up. One caveat of it being new. But it's growing fast since I started.

Question though, django uses Python, which is a lot slower than most other languages. Do you have issues with performance a lot, what kind of work does it do?

Oh I don't do frontend web development full stop. The last time I did any frontend web development was for xFAQs a decade ago and everyone knows how that turned out (pretty awful).

Judgmenl posted...

What's wrong with trying to make your current job environment better?

Theoretically, nothing. When you've been trying and getting nowhere because the company doesn't want your job environment to get better, though, and that persistent failure is taking a toll on your mental (or even physical) health, you need to accept that you aren't going to be able to improve it. Move on to something that either is already better or gives you the opportunity to cultivate the environment you want. Beating your head against a wall that won't break is only going to give you a concussion.

Judgmenl posted...

Second job I worked with I had a coworker that was in his late 50s. He had dedicated 15 years of his life to the the company. I tohught that was something to aspire to and decided to always work at a company that valued their employees like that. Current company has two people who have worked there for 20 years each.
That's what I appreciate out of a job.

Really? I always thought people that worked that long at a company unless they are in a high level position tend to be suckers. It's not like you get a pension & most of the promotions you get tend to be by interviewing for companies outside the company you work for, not within. Big companies almost expect that you are going to leave in a couple years, so deliberately treat you like crap to maximize your value while you work there.

Judgmenl posted...

Oh I don't do frontend web development full stop. The last time I did any frontend web development was for xFAQs a decade ago and everyone knows how that turned out (pretty awful).

Yeah frontend development sucks. I have to do literally everything, up and to and including the products we sell. We even had me dabble in market research and data analysis (I know)

Find a new job and then show back up like a month later to "visit" and ask how things are going.