Poll of the Day > Why does it seem like so many bands biggest hits are among their worst songs?

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Muscles
06/10/22 3:12:36 PM
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It's weird that songs like Stairway to Heaven and Smells Like Teen Spirit get way bigger than songs like When the Levee Breaks or Sliver for example

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ReturnOfFa
06/10/22 3:13:47 PM
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it's because the public chooses those things

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VampireCoyote
06/10/22 3:18:15 PM
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Because youve heard the hits so many times that youre sick of them

Theres also a very real psychological effect of feeling like you enjoy something thats not known to casual fans so you have more appreciation for the group/artist

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Dikitain
06/10/22 3:37:44 PM
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The Smashing Pumpkins are my favorite band of all time, but even I will admit the majority of their best songs (with the exception of some songs on Siamese Dream and Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness) are their hits. The rest of them feel like filler.

And this is from a band that regularly releases 20-30 b-sides with every full-length album.

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adjl
06/10/22 3:59:54 PM
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Because you generally don't like the sort of music that tends to become popular.

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ParanoidObsessive
06/10/22 5:44:11 PM
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Because you're a hipster.

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Firewood18
06/10/22 10:43:55 PM
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Warren Zevon was known to come out and play werewolves of London and then go back stage for twenty minutes and wait for his real fans to stay for his real music.

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Metalsonic66
06/10/22 10:45:20 PM
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I do like that Pandora has a "Deep Cuts" shuffle option

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Zareth
06/10/22 11:22:23 PM
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Hoobastank comes to mind, The Reason sucks ass

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VampireCoyote
06/10/22 11:24:43 PM
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the Killers is my favorite band but Somebody told me is probably one of my least favorite songs by them

its not even close to the best song on that album

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Muscles
06/11/22 12:00:20 AM
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Would you say Somebody Told Me is bigger than Mr. Brightside? I always thought Mr. Brightside was their biggest, either way neither are the best

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Metalsonic66
06/11/22 12:03:29 AM
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Africa isn't even top-5 Toto

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BlackScythe0
06/11/22 12:16:42 AM
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Muscles posted...
It's weird that songs like Stairway to Heaven and Smells Like Teen Spirit get way bigger than songs like When the Levee Breaks or Sliver for example

Sounds like you're a hipster. Not necessarily a major one but the fact that you can't understand why people don't all share the same favorite as you hints at it. I used to work with a guy with a major hipster complex he would talk about all the bands he used to like but lost interest in because they "made it" and he had gotten to the point (at the time I knew him) where all the stuff he listened to was basically difficult for me to acknowledge as music it was like he was intentionally listening to stuff so awful no one would ever like it.

Typically stuff that is popular isn't popular because of lyrical or instrumental complexity or innovation. Stuff will be popular for having a beat you can bob your head to or a simple (usually positive) message that is widely relatable. Sliver is a great song, but Smells Like Teen Spirit obviously has the wider appeal given that most people don't even know what he is saying in the song while sliver is kinda sad.

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Muscles
06/11/22 12:58:59 AM
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I'm not saying they have to like my favorites, sometimes I don't even have a favorite song for a band. I'm also not saying every biggest hit is bad, I absolutely love (Don't Fear) The Reaper for example.

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zebatov
06/11/22 2:29:36 AM
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Theyre just overplayed. Stairway was done as soon as Waynes World used it.

There are so many untapped tracks for each of us that we dont know about. I continually find new old music that Ive never heard before where I think Why?.
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Count_Drachma
06/11/22 3:47:34 AM
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Because things with mass appeal tend to be less distinct than other content by the very nature of having mass appeal. Or, like Zebatov says, it could be overplay.

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ReturnOfFa
06/11/22 4:15:52 AM
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Dikitain posted...
The Smashing Pumpkins are my favorite band of all time, but even I will admit the majority of their best songs (with the exception of some songs on Siamese Dream and Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness) are their hits. The rest of them feel like filler.

And this is from a band that regularly releases 20-30 b-sides with every full-length album.
so they're like bad radiohead (because with radiohead, the filler is good)

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VampireCoyote
06/11/22 6:53:07 AM
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Muscles posted...
Would you say Somebody Told Me is bigger than Mr. Brightside? I always thought Mr. Brightside was their biggest, either way neither are the best

I think Somebody Told Me was a bigger hit(I could be wrong) initially but obviously Mr Brightside has become a total classic. It definitely gets played a lot more at bars and clubs and whatnot.

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SunWuKung420
06/11/22 7:43:24 AM
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Why is the newest Red Hot Chili Pepper's terrible song being played on the radio? Oh yeah, corporations telling you what to enjoy and the populace follows.

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VampireCoyote
06/11/22 8:24:26 AM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
Why is the newest Red Hot Chili Pepper's terrible song being played on the radio? Oh yeah, corporations telling you what to enjoy and the populace follows.

or they want to sell album and make ad revenue $$$$

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BUMPED2002
06/11/22 10:15:19 AM
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Probably because it's all determined by sales for the most part. The songs that are good that do not sell well usually get tossed aside.

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Muscles
06/11/22 10:21:18 AM
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BUMPED2002 posted...
Probably because it's all determined by sales for the most part. The songs that are good that do not sell well usually get tossed aside.
It doesn't make much sense since they can get away with pushing garbage and artificially making it popular, so why not push good songs and make them popular instead?

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VampireCoyote
06/11/22 10:24:00 AM
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Muscles posted...
It doesn't make much sense since they can get away with pushing garbage and artificially making it popular, so why not push good songs and make them popular instead?

its all subjective, the music you think is garbage, a lot of people like and enjoy

there are plenty of hits that are incredible songs

btw if you talk about popular music like that irl, plenty of folks are just gonna think youre an asshole if you start calling music they like trash or garbage

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Muscles
06/11/22 10:37:28 AM
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I mean, you can't really say that a lot of popular music isn't popular only because it got pushed so hard, that's why they do it, record labels know what they're doing. I'm not saying people can't like low effort music like Hanson, Bieber, Jonas brothers, drake, etc. but it sure helps when you get it shoved down your throat and it gets stuck in your head on a regular basis.

If you like generic pop, go a head, I'm not gonna hate you, and I don't talk trash about it irl, but you have to admit that a good chunk of the appeal is the fact that it's popular, not that it's good, and we can get more complex and skilled songs just as popular of record labels pushed Tool, Primus and Dream Theater instead of Kanye, Taylor swift and whatever other flavor of the week that gets pushed.

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DirtBasedSoap
06/11/22 10:46:31 AM
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Muscles: perpetually mentally 12

im jealous in a way
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DirtBasedSoap
06/11/22 10:49:22 AM
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guys i only like good music like primus and tool, not garbage poop (hehe see what i did there??) music like KANYE WEST AND TAYLOR SWIFT

listen to yourself man. this is why girls dont like you
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DirtBasedSoap
06/11/22 10:50:30 AM
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dream theater and tool are fucking terrible Im sorry

i would rather listen to the wiggles

https://youtu.be/a13WnqsRc5g
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Kyuubi4269
06/11/22 10:52:23 AM
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You're just a hipster

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DirtBasedSoap
06/11/22 10:52:55 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
You're just a neckbeard

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Muscles
06/11/22 11:00:55 AM
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As I already said, it's cool if you like that, I won't argue with you over it (at least irl) but you have to admit top 40 stuff isn't as complex or skilled as prog, that's not subjective.

But that's not what this topic is about, good bands can have bad/underwhelming songs and they usually make it big for some reason.

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DirtBasedSoap
06/11/22 11:02:54 AM
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if you think that music is about complexity or prowess you dont really understand or like music

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Muscles
06/11/22 11:07:48 AM
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I don't think that's all music is about, hell I like pop punk and that's no more complex than pop. I also admit that, despite my feelings towards pop punk, that's its kinda shit, why can't we just all admit when we like something that's shit instead of trying to justify it?

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Jen0125
06/11/22 11:14:33 AM
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Because it's only your opinion that those things are "shit" or "low effort." I'd love to see you write, produce and record a hit pop song since it's so low effort and easy?
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DirtBasedSoap
06/11/22 11:16:23 AM
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literally doesnt even matter how easy or hard it is/was to write. music comes from a place of passion. THATS IT
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Jen0125
06/11/22 11:19:48 AM
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Muscles I'd actually love to know if you actually know what the process of creating a song is? Especially a pop or electronic song?

You truly only seem to think music is full of effort if you see a band playing music in front of you visually.
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DirtBasedSoap
06/11/22 11:21:43 AM
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seven nation army is like 6 notes and doesnt even have a chorus lmao
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Muscles
06/11/22 11:22:13 AM
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DirtBasedSoap posted...
literally doesnt even matter how easy or hard it is/was to write. music comes from a place of passion. THATS IT
Most pop artists don't write their own stuff, how can it come from a place of passion if it's not even coming from them?

That's besides the point though, this topic is about music relative to an artists discography not whole genres of music.

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DirtBasedSoap
06/11/22 11:23:57 AM
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Kanye west and Taylor swift both write their own shit homie
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Muscles
06/11/22 11:24:30 AM
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Good thing I said most and not all

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Jen0125
06/11/22 11:25:50 AM
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Most pop artists contribute to writing their songs. Many pop artists also write songs for other artists.

https://www.openmicuk.co.uk/advice/singers-who-write-their-own-songs/

Pop music is a very collaborative genre. You think NONE of the dozens of people who work on a pop album have passion?

Writing songs = passion?
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Muscles
06/11/22 11:29:39 AM
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How did this topic become about pop music? It started off exclusively about rock bands with randomly popular songs.

If you like pop music, good for you, go do your thing, I'm not trying to get it banned or anything.

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DirtBasedSoap
06/11/22 11:30:22 AM
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Muscles posted...
It doesn't make much sense since they can get away with pushing garbage and artificially making it popular, so why not push good songs and make them popular instead?

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Jen0125
06/11/22 11:33:58 AM
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Muscles posted...
How did this topic become about pop music? It started off exclusively about rock bands with randomly popular songs.

If you like pop music, good for you, go do your thing, I'm not trying to get it banned or anything.

No but every time you bring it up it's the same dumb shit and you never even try to reconsider your opinion. Your opinion makes no sense.
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Muscles
06/11/22 11:34:05 AM
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Pop music isn't the only popular music, that can apply to any popular artist regardless of genre. They managed to get nickleback huge and they're a garbage rock band.

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VampireCoyote
06/11/22 11:34:35 AM
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DirtBasedSoap posted...
seven nation army is like 6 notes and doesnt even have a chorus lmao

it totally has a chorus though it goes like this

Bloo, bloo bloo bloo bloo bloo bloo
Bloo, bloo bloo bloo bloo bloo bloo bloo bloo bloo

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VampireCoyote
06/11/22 11:36:50 AM
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Muscles posted...
Pop music isn't the only popular music, that can apply to any popular artist regardless of genre. They managed to get nickleback huge and they're a garbage rock band.

omg muscles I cannot even with you today anymore

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captpackrat
06/11/22 12:05:04 PM
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KISS' number one top selling song of all time is...

"Beth"

Their one song that isn't even a rock song.

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BlackScythe0
06/11/22 12:23:42 PM
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Muscles posted...
I don't think that's all music is about, hell I like pop punk and that's no more complex than pop. I also admit that, despite my feelings towards pop punk, that's its kinda shit, why can't we just all admit when we like something that's shit instead of trying to justify it?

You're basically attacking things people like and demanding they justify it? Then asking why people are justifying stuff. I liked a lot of the pop punk bands when I was a kid and still listen to it now, I don't care if a hipster shits on them.

You seem to have become more of a hipster as this thread has gone on. Here I'll give you something that might appeal to your hipster sensibilities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT7x1NvGf5k
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VampireCoyote
06/11/22 12:26:02 PM
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I liked the California Raisins til they went all corporate

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Dikitain
06/11/22 12:37:11 PM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT7x1NvGf5k

I have so many questions that I don't think they will fit into the character limit of one post, and I doubt I really want the answers to them.

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