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cuttin_in_farm 05/04/22 8:57:38 PM #1:	I swear to God, if people start gaslighting, being offensive, or troll, Im locking this topic. I have a question. Over the years, Ive been learning a lot about the transgender community. I dont think trans activist truly understand how little the general public understands. Everyone in my family gets confused when I say that someone transitioning has nothing to do with their sexual orientation. With that said, I feel a bit of spite with the whole transgender thing. Growing up a darker shade of black, I have always had a bit of hatred of what I am. I didnt fit in the black culture. I could never really see characters that represented me. And in school, I always felt like the white kids were more like how I acted. White women were the ones who showed romantic interest, etc. Something that I just have trouble understanding with trans people is that their identity not aligning with what they feel is fixable. Like, I grew up having to have the mentality that You are this, and even if it sucks, you have to deal with it. And after decades of dealing with self hatred and confusion on why certain groups never accepted me, Ive started to love who I am in the body I was given. Why is it that transgender people feel they have to fix themselves? I dunno if my source is reliable from what I read, but less than 1% of people suffer from gender dysphoria. When I compare the amount of traction transgender people have made in the last ten years vs the amount of effort black people had to push, I cant help but feel confused. A feminine boy or a masculine girl is what I always think of when people mention transitioning. At what point do transgender people feel like they cant simply be those things? Why is being proud of the body you were born into not the answer instead? I hope this question isnt offensive. And I hope people who have actually transitioned answer. Im not on social media. And my social group is so very behind. This place is legitimately the only place that I even encounter these discussions. I hope the question makes sense. Where is the line for why transgender people have to transition? --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:964798398] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>I swear to God, if people start gaslighting, being offensive, or troll, Im locking this topic. I have a question. Over the years, Ive been learning a lot about the transgender community. I dont think trans activist truly understand how little the general public understands. Everyone in my family gets confused when I say that someone transitioning has nothing to do with their sexual orientation. With that said, I feel a bit of spite with the whole transgender thing. Growing up a darker shade of black, I have always had a bit of hatred of what I am. I didnt fit in the black culture. I could never really see characters that represented me. And in school, I always felt like the white kids were more like how I acted. White women were the ones who showed romantic interest, etc. Something that I just have trouble understanding with trans people is that their identity not aligning with what they feel is fixable. Like, I grew up having to have the mentality that You are this, and even if it sucks, you have to deal with it. And after decades of dealing with self hatred and confusion on why certain groups never accepted me, Ive started to love who I am in the body I was given. Why is it that transgender people feel they have to fix themselves? I dunno if my source is reliable from what I read, but less than 1% of people suffer from gender dysphoria. When I compare the amount of traction transgender people have made in the last ten years vs the amount of effort black people had to push, I cant help but feel confused. A feminine boy or a masculine girl is what I always think of when people mention transitioning. At what point do transgender people feel like they cant simply be those things? Why is being proud of the body you were born into not the answer instead? I hope this question isnt offensive. And I hope people who have actually transitioned answer. Im not on social media. And my social group is so very behind. This place is legitimately the only place that I even encounter these discussions. I hope the question makes sense. Where is the line for why transgender people have to transition? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 05/04/22 8:58:17 PM #2:	How you lock topic --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. <cite>Irony posted [p:964798409] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>How you lock topic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DespondentDeity 05/04/22 9:00:06 PM #3:	Im gonna post here to see what happens --- SHE: In black of night, a die is cast, heavens overflow with stars HER: All is light, all is ash, you must become just as you are <cite>DespondentDeity posted [p:964798461] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>Im gonna post here to see what happens </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zero_Slash 05/04/22 9:01:58 PM #5:	cuttin_in_farm posted... Why is being proud of the body you were born into not the answer instead? I am also interested in knowing the answer to this question. --- Current Title: Title Master Titles Given: 12 <cite>Zero_Slash posted [p:964798504] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>Why is being proud of the body you were born into not the answer instead?</quote>I am also interested in knowing the answer to this question. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sevihaimerej 05/04/22 9:05:14 PM #6:	Not transgender but this could be a fascinating topic of discussion if folks actually participate...track topic --- There was a sig here It's gone now <cite>sevihaimerej posted [p:964798586] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>Not transgender but this could be a fascinating topic of discussion if folks actually participate...track topic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PoundGarden 05/04/22 9:15:12 PM #7:	Were you ever able to wrap your head around how someone having their young child participate in a porn movie is 100% sexual abuse and wildly innapropriate? --- "You go. I'm just going to stare at the lake and think about how I almost just killed a baby." <cite>PoundGarden posted [p:964798786] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>Were you ever able to wrap your head around how someone having their young child participate in a porn movie is 100% sexual abuse and wildly innapropriate? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Masao 05/04/22 9:18:10 PM #8:	cuttin_in_farm posted... Why is it that transgender people feel they have to fix themselves? This is pretty much right on top of the "you have to go through it to understand it" list. --- http://masaohf.atspace.com/ http://www.youtube.com/masaoHF <cite>Masao posted [p:964798863] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>Why is it that transgender people feel they have to fix themselves?</quote> This is pretty much right on top of the "you have to go through it to understand it" list. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 05/04/22 9:30:43 PM #9:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Yes, it is. Hence, why I tried to phrase my question carefully. PoundGarden posted... Were you ever able to wrap your head around how someone having their young child participate in a porn movie is 100% sexual abuse and wildly innapropriate? I think you may be misremembering something. Feel free to dm me tho. Im asking a question. Masao posted... This is pretty much right on top of the "you have to go through it to understand it" list. So I attempted to draw a comparison with how I felt about my race with transgender people and how they felt about gender for this reason? I understand if its not as comparable as I think it is, but I was hoping there may be more insight? sevihaimerej posted... Not transgender but this could be a fascinating topic of discussion if folks actually participate...track topic I feel like people wont take the topic seriously. The first couple responses arent optimistic. I genuinely dont know how to even talk about this subject here. Even the times I start getting good conversations, people who arent even engaging in the discussion start marking things as offensive and just have things deleted. It doesnt help that my way of talking is a bit douchey, so I feel people view me as intentionally inflammatory. I wish someone else could ask maybe. The Dave Chappelle thing happening also doesnt help. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:964799176] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Yes, it is. Hence, why I tried to phrase my question carefully. PoundGarden posted... </cite> <quote>Were you ever able to wrap your head around how someone having their young child participate in a porn movie is 100% sexual abuse and wildly innapropriate?</quote> I think you may be misremembering something. Feel free to dm me tho. Im asking a question. Masao posted... </cite> <quote>This is pretty much right on top of the "you have to go through it to understand it" list.</quote> So I attempted to draw a comparison with how I felt about my race with transgender people and how they felt about gender for this reason? I understand if its not as comparable as I think it is, but I was hoping there may be more insight? sevihaimerej posted... </cite> <quote>Not transgender but this could be a fascinating topic of discussion if folks actually participate...track topic</quote> I feel like people wont take the topic seriously. The first couple responses arent optimistic. I genuinely dont know how to even talk about this subject here. Even the times I start getting good conversations, people who arent even engaging in the discussion start marking things as offensive and just have things deleted. It doesnt help that my way of talking is a bit douchey, so I feel people view me as intentionally inflammatory. I wish someone else could ask maybe. The Dave Chappelle thing happening also doesnt help. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HairyQueen 05/04/22 9:36:47 PM #10:	I believe you're genuinely trying to understand it better, right? Why not ask your question on r/asktransgender? You'd probably get a lot of helpful answers there. I'd suggest you really make sure to present your question respectfully because it's so common for bigots to troll about trans people online using the "just asking questions" tactic. --- everybody loves intransigent zoo animals <3 <cite>HairyQueen posted [p:964799308] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>I believe you're genuinely trying to understand it better, right? Why not ask your question on r/asktransgender? You'd probably get a lot of helpful answers there. I'd suggest you really make sure to present your question respectfully because it's so common for bigots to troll about trans people online using the "just asking questions" tactic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 05/04/22 9:38:36 PM #11:	Tag --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate <cite>emblem boy posted [p:964799358] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>Tag </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Naysaspace 05/04/22 9:40:20 PM #12:	cuttin_in_farm posted... Yes, it is. Hence, why I tried to phrase my question carefully The fact that you need to walk on eggshells goes to show that people will assertively look for ways to attack you and the question rather than engage in discussion. And it's shit like that which is fuel to the fire of the divide --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVkE2oJrxM8 <cite>Naysaspace posted [p:964799407] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>Yes, it is. Hence, why I tried to phrase my question carefully</quote>The fact that you need to walk on eggshells goes to show that people will assertively look for ways to attack you and the question rather than engage in discussion. And it's shit like that which is fuel to the fire of the divide </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bnui_ransder 05/04/22 9:42:10 PM #13:	I'm good friends with someone who is transitioning and I still don't understand everything either Everyone is different too, with how everyone feels varying wildly between one another Some people just need a few changes while others need a lot but it all comes down to how they feel about and perceive themselves at their very core I try to talk to a lot of people to broaden my horizons but it's such a sensitive topic that I don't really ask questions. I'm included in discussions due to my friendship so I just try my best to understand what's given to me --- http://bnuiransder.tumblr.com/ So much A R T <cite>bnui_ransder posted [p:964799445] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>I'm good friends with someone who is transitioning and I still don't understand everything either Everyone is different too, with how everyone feels varying wildly between one another Some people just need a few changes while others need a lot but it all comes down to how they feel about and perceive themselves at their very core I try to talk to a lot of people to broaden my horizons but it's such a sensitive topic that I don't really ask questions. I'm included in discussions due to my friendship so I just try my best to understand what's given to me </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 05/04/22 9:42:59 PM #14:	HairyQueen posted... I believe you're genuinely trying to understand it better, right? Why not ask your question on r/asktransgender? You'd probably get a lot of helpful answers there. I'd suggest you really make sure to present your question respectfully because it's so common for bigots to troll about trans people online using the "just asking questions" tactic. Im not very familiar with reddit. The only time I used reddit was for Survivor, the show. And saying things that deviated even slightly was always downvoted there. Here, even if what I say is unpopular, I can still get engagement. But certain posters just make it difficult. Like the PoundGarden guy up there bringing up something that happened years ago I can barely even remember. Its as if someone has a bad take on one topic, they are disqualified from talking about anything else. But I guess I can try it if you think itd be more beneficial. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:964799472] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>HairyQueen posted... </cite> <quote>I believe you're genuinely trying to understand it better, right? Why not ask your question on r/asktransgender? You'd probably get a lot of helpful answers there. I'd suggest you really make sure to present your question respectfully because it's so common for bigots to troll about trans people online using the "just asking questions" tactic.</quote> Im not very familiar with reddit. The only time I used reddit was for Survivor, the show. And saying things that deviated even slightly was always downvoted there. Here, even if what I say is unpopular, I can still get engagement. But certain posters just make it difficult. Like the PoundGarden guy up there bringing up something that happened years ago I can barely even remember. Its as if someone has a bad take on one topic, they are disqualified from talking about anything else. But I guess I can try it if you think itd be more beneficial. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 05/04/22 9:43:08 PM #15:	HairyQueen posted... I believe you're genuinely trying to understand it better, right? Why not ask your question on r/asktransgender? You'd probably get a lot of helpful answers there. I'd suggest you really make sure to present your question respectfully because it's so common for bigots to troll about trans people online using the "just asking questions" tactic. yeah I was going to post something to this effect. this board is a terrible place for these kinds of discussions --- http://error1355.com/ce/averagejoel.html <cite>averagejoel posted [p:964799474] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>HairyQueen posted... </cite> <quote>I believe you're genuinely trying to understand it better, right? Why not ask your question on r/asktransgender? You'd probably get a lot of helpful answers there. I'd suggest you really make sure to present your question respectfully because it's so common for bigots to troll about trans people online using the "just asking questions" tactic.</quote>yeah I was going to post something to this effect. this board is a terrible place for these kinds of discussions </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GrandConjuraton 05/04/22 9:44:04 PM #16:	Naysaspace posted... The fact that you need to walk on eggshells goes to show that people will assertively look for ways to attack you and the question rather than engage in discussion. And it's shit like that which is fuel to the fire of the divide You want to know why there is no genuine discussion? Because no one wants to actually listen to us and are only looking for ways to say "Gotcha!" or to make us a villain in some way, no matter what the person asking actually says. It's a waste of time and emotional energy. --- Crown of creation, creation of shame. https://imgur.com/o21DN7r <cite>GrandConjuraton posted [p:964799496] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>Naysaspace posted... </cite> <quote>The fact that you need to walk on eggshells goes to show that people will assertively look for ways to attack you and the question rather than engage in discussion. And it's shit like that which is fuel to the fire of the divide</quote>You want to know why there is no genuine discussion? Because no one wants to actually listen to us and are only looking for ways to say "Gotcha!" or to make us a villain in some way, no matter what the person asking actually says. It's a waste of time and emotional energy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bnui_ransder 05/04/22 9:44:15 PM #17:	cuttin_in_farm posted... Im not very familiar with reddit. The only time I used reddit was for Survivor, the show. And saying things that deviated even slightly was always downvoted there. One of my main gripes with reddit, buried like that --- http://bnuiransder.tumblr.com/ So much A R T <cite>bnui_ransder posted [p:964799497] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>Im not very familiar with reddit. The only time I used reddit was for Survivor, the show. And saying things that deviated even slightly was always downvoted there.</quote>One of my main gripes with reddit, buried like that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bnui_ransder 05/04/22 9:45:23 PM #18:	GrandConjuraton posted... You want to know why there is no genuine discussion? Because no one wants to actually listen to us and are only looking for ways to say "Gotcha!" or to make us a villain in some way, no matter what the person asking actually says. It's a waste of time and emotional energy. It's a shame that people have made you feel this way because no one should have to assume this but this is sadly our current world --- http://bnuiransder.tumblr.com/ So much A R T <cite>bnui_ransder posted [p:964799527] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>GrandConjuraton posted... </cite> <quote>You want to know why there is no genuine discussion? Because no one wants to actually listen to us and are only looking for ways to say "Gotcha!" or to make us a villain in some way, no matter what the person asking actually says. It's a waste of time and emotional energy.</quote>It's a shame that people have made you feel this way because no one should have to assume this but this is sadly our current world </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Masao 05/04/22 9:46:31 PM #19:	Why do you absolutely need to understand, though? That's the thing. When someone talks about how incredibly important something is to them, isn't it generally preferable to give them the benefit of the doubt even if you don't understand it? --- http://masaohf.atspace.com/ http://www.youtube.com/masaoHF <cite>Masao posted [p:964799556] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>Why do you absolutely need to understand, though? That's the thing. When someone talks about how incredibly important something is to them, isn't it generally preferable to give them the benefit of the doubt even if you don't understand it? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HairyQueen 05/04/22 9:50:56 PM #20:	cuttin_in_farm posted... Im not very familiar with reddit. The only time I used reddit was for Survivor, the show. And saying things that deviated even slightly was always downvoted there. Here, even if what I say is unpopular, I can still get engagement. But certain posters just make it difficult. Like the PoundGarden guy up there bringing up something that happened years ago I can barely even remember. Its as if someone has a bad take on one topic, they are disqualified from talking about anything else. But I guess I can try it if you think itd be more beneficial. Online it's really hard to distinguish trolling from ignorance sometimes. And if a community is constantly being trolled/attacked, they're understandably going to be naturally hypervigilant. It sounds like you don't have much exposure to information about trans people at all, so maybe it'd be a good idea to just ask basic questions first to develop a baseline knowledge of trans experiences before tackling your question in the OP. I say this because even if you ask your question and get genuine answers, those answers may not really even click with you if you aren't already familiar with trans identities. That's my two cents. --- everybody loves intransigent zoo animals <3 <cite>HairyQueen posted [p:964799661] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>Im not very familiar with reddit. The only time I used reddit was for Survivor, the show. And saying things that deviated even slightly was always downvoted there. Here, even if what I say is unpopular, I can still get engagement. But certain posters just make it difficult. Like the PoundGarden guy up there bringing up something that happened years ago I can barely even remember. Its as if someone has a bad take on one topic, they are disqualified from talking about anything else. But I guess I can try it if you think itd be more beneficial.</quote>Online it's really hard to distinguish trolling from ignorance sometimes. And if a community is constantly being trolled/attacked, they're understandably going to be naturally hypervigilant. It sounds like you don't have much exposure to information about trans people at all, so maybe it'd be a good idea to just ask basic questions first to develop a baseline knowledge of trans experiences before tackling your question in the OP. I say this because even if you ask your question and get genuine answers, those answers may not really even click with you if you aren't already familiar with trans identities. That's my two cents. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ElatedVenusaur 05/04/22 9:51:48 PM #21:	I have no idea why people expect us to justify ourselves. Over and over and over. Do you have any idea how exhausting and demeaning that is? --- I'm Queen of Tomorrow baby! Remember: heat from fire, fire from heat! She/her <cite>ElatedVenusaur posted [p:964799684] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>I have no idea why people expect us to justify ourselves. Over and over and over. Do you have any idea how exhausting and demeaning that is? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
haloiscoolisbak 05/04/22 9:54:57 PM #22:	bnui_ransder posted... I'm good friends with someone who is transitioning and I still don't understand everything either Everyone is different too, with how everyone feels varying wildly between one another Some people just need a few changes while others need a lot but it all comes down to how they feel about and perceive themselves at their very core I try to talk to a lot of people to broaden my horizons but it's such a sensitive topic that I don't really ask questions. I'm included in discussions due to my friendship so I just try my best to understand what's given to me This seems like a decent explanation. I'm cis and can't really wrap my head around feeling like you've been assigned the wrong gender. I have a few "feminine traits" like most guys and for a while I felt like trans women just had a lot more, such a large amount of them to the point they realise they're not a man. But then it opens a whole discussion about gender stereotypes and what even is a feminine or masculine trait and should that whole concept be put to rest. It really is genuinely difficult to comprehend as a cis person even if you're a total ally --- Started from the bottom now we here <cite>haloiscoolisbak posted [p:964799764] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>bnui_ransder posted... </cite> <quote>I'm good friends with someone who is transitioning and I still don't understand everything either Everyone is different too, with how everyone feels varying wildly between one another Some people just need a few changes while others need a lot but it all comes down to how they feel about and perceive themselves at their very core I try to talk to a lot of people to broaden my horizons but it's such a sensitive topic that I don't really ask questions. I'm included in discussions due to my friendship so I just try my best to understand what's given to me</quote> This seems like a decent explanation. I'm cis and can't really wrap my head around feeling like you've been assigned the wrong gender. I have a few "feminine traits" like most guys and for a while I felt like trans women just had a lot more, such a large amount of them to the point they realise they're not a man. But then it opens a whole discussion about gender stereotypes and what even is a feminine or masculine trait and should that whole concept be put to rest. It really is genuinely difficult to comprehend as a cis person even if you're a total ally </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DespondentDeity 05/04/22 9:59:28 PM #23:	Also what traction btw? --- SHE: In black of night, a die is cast, heavens overflow with stars HER: All is light, all is ash, you must become just as you are <cite>DespondentDeity posted [p:964799875] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>Also what traction btw? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Slash 05/04/22 10:04:02 PM #24:	ElatedVenusaur posted... I have no idea why people expect us to justify ourselves. Over and over and over. Do you have any idea how exhausting and demeaning that is? It's not at all. This comment is literally dodging the question. --- Current Title: Title Master Titles Given: 12 <cite>Zero_Slash posted [p:964799995] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>ElatedVenusaur posted... </cite> <quote>I have no idea why people expect us to justify ourselves. Over and over and over. Do you have any idea how exhausting and demeaning that is?</quote>It's not at all. This comment is literally dodging the question. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 05/04/22 10:04:29 PM #25:	HairyQueen posted... Online it's really hard to distinguish trolling from ignorance sometimes. And if a community is constantly being trolled/attacked, they're understandably going to be naturally hypervigilant. It sounds like you don't have much exposure to information about trans people at all, so maybe it'd be a good idea to just ask basic questions first to develop a baseline knowledge of trans experiences before tackling your question in the OP. I say this because even if you ask your question and get genuine answers, those answers may not really even click with you if you aren't already familiar with trans identities. That's my two cents. Ive been trying for the last two years. But the problem is that people assume what level of knowledge is common knowledge. I use the my family conflates transgender people and sexual orientation to showcase to people online how little people know. I try to give a warning that my social circle isnt knowledgeable at all. I live in the midwest too. I just dont interact with this. I once asked something about cross dressing, and that aeris poster silently marked my question only to reveal later in the topic that they thought I was concern trolling. Mind you, I was having a productive back and forth with a poster in this topic, but despite that, everyone assumes the worst. To my understanding, aeris is a good poster. So tbh, ever since I just feel very defeated trying to ask anything. No one will even try to give you the benefit of the doubt. I understand theres trolls. But I just feel like we should be able to gauge trolls easily based on how people ask questions and more importantly if conversation progresses as things go on. ElatedVenusaur posted... I have no idea why people expect us to justify ourselves. Over and over and over. Do you have any idea how exhausting and demeaning that is? Just dont post? I dont understand transgender people. But being misunderstood and being asked questions is something everyone who isnt a white dude has had to deal with throughout history. Im sorry if it sounds callous, but this is how promoting understanding works? And the dont post is a genuine suggestion. Only because I dont want you to feel like you have to justify anything. Again, Im sorry if my way of speaking is douchey. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:964800009] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>HairyQueen posted... </cite> <quote>Online it's really hard to distinguish trolling from ignorance sometimes. And if a community is constantly being trolled/attacked, they're understandably going to be naturally hypervigilant. It sounds like you don't have much exposure to information about trans people at all, so maybe it'd be a good idea to just ask basic questions first to develop a baseline knowledge of trans experiences before tackling your question in the OP. I say this because even if you ask your question and get genuine answers, those answers may not really even click with you if you aren't already familiar with trans identities. That's my two cents.</quote> Ive been trying for the last two years. But the problem is that people assume what level of knowledge is common knowledge. I use the my family conflates transgender people and sexual orientation to showcase to people online how little people know. I try to give a warning that my social circle isnt knowledgeable at all. I live in the midwest too. I just dont interact with this. I once asked something about cross dressing, and that aeris poster silently marked my question only to reveal later in the topic that they thought I was concern trolling. Mind you, I was having a productive back and forth with a poster in this topic, but despite that, everyone assumes the worst. To my understanding, aeris is a good poster. So tbh, ever since I just feel very defeated trying to ask anything. No one will even try to give you the benefit of the doubt. I understand theres trolls. But I just feel like we should be able to gauge trolls easily based on how people ask questions and more importantly if conversation progresses as things go on. ElatedVenusaur posted... </cite> <quote>I have no idea why people expect us to justify ourselves. Over and over and over. Do you have any idea how exhausting and demeaning that is?</quote> Just dont post? I dont understand transgender people. But being misunderstood and being asked questions is something everyone who isnt a white dude has had to deal with throughout history. Im sorry if it sounds callous, but this is how promoting understanding works? And the dont post is a genuine suggestion. Only because I dont want you to feel like you have to justify anything. Again, Im sorry if my way of speaking is douchey. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robot2600 05/04/22 10:04:59 PM #26:	ElatedVenusaur posted... I have no idea why people expect us to justify ourselves. Over and over and over. Do you have any idea how exhausting and demeaning that is? ElatedVenusaur posted... I have no idea why people expect us to justify ourselves. Over and over and over. Do you have any idea how exhausting and demeaning that is? ElatedVenusaur posted... I have no idea why people expect us to justify ourselves. Over and over and over. Do you have any idea how exhausting and demeaning that is? ElatedVenusaur posted... I have no idea why people expect us to justify ourselves. Over and over and over. Do you have any idea how exhausting and demeaning that is? ElatedVenusaur posted... I have no idea why people expect us to justify ourselves. Over and over and over. Do you have any idea how exhausting and demeaning that is? ElatedVenusaur posted... I have no idea why people expect us to justify ourselves. Over and over and over. Do you have any idea how exhausting and demeaning that is? --- ( o _o) <cite>Robot2600 posted [p:964800025] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>ElatedVenusaur posted... </cite> <quote>I have no idea why people expect us to justify ourselves. Over and over and over. Do you have any idea how exhausting and demeaning that is?</quote>ElatedVenusaur posted... </cite> <quote>I have no idea why people expect us to justify ourselves. Over and over and over. Do you have any idea how exhausting and demeaning that is?</quote>ElatedVenusaur posted... </cite> <quote>I have no idea why people expect us to justify ourselves. Over and over and over. Do you have any idea how exhausting and demeaning that is?</quote>ElatedVenusaur posted... </cite> <quote>I have no idea why people expect us to justify ourselves. Over and over and over. Do you have any idea how exhausting and demeaning that is?</quote>ElatedVenusaur posted... </cite> <quote>I have no idea why people expect us to justify ourselves. Over and over and over. Do you have any idea how exhausting and demeaning that is?</quote>ElatedVenusaur posted... </cite> <quote>I have no idea why people expect us to justify ourselves. Over and over and over. Do you have any idea how exhausting and demeaning that is?</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AmericaTheBrave 05/04/22 10:06:00 PM #27:	People should be allowed to ask questions and have a conversation. Just saying "shut up and accept it!" is not conducive to progress. It might not seem fair but it's how the world works. --- https://imgur.com/h74Kc6W <cite>AmericaTheBrave posted [p:964800054] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>People should be allowed to ask questions and have a conversation. Just saying "shut up and accept it!" is not conducive to progress. It might not seem fair but it's how the world works. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 05/04/22 10:08:36 PM #28:	DespondentDeity posted... Also what traction btw? Being a popular and supported social movement. Politicians and people in media actually calculate their words to accommodate. I feel like the transgender movement only started in the last decade, so it seems pretty quick. Maybe Im wrong. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:964800121] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>DespondentDeity posted... </cite> <quote>Also what traction btw?</quote> Being a popular and supported social movement. Politicians and people in media actually calculate their words to accommodate. I feel like the transgender movement only started in the last decade, so it seems pretty quick. Maybe Im wrong. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HairyQueen 05/04/22 10:09:46 PM #29:	cuttin_in_farm posted... my way of speaking is douchey. So it sounds like you understand why people may not take you seriously online then. Until you learn to change your approach, I don't think you'll have much luck. --- everybody loves intransigent zoo animals <3 <cite>HairyQueen posted [p:964800147] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>cuttin_in_farm posted... </cite> <quote>my way of speaking is douchey.</quote>So it sounds like you understand why people may not take you seriously online then. Until you learn to change your approach, I don't think you'll have much luck. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 05/04/22 10:11:13 PM #30:	AmericaTheBrave posted... People should be allowed to ask questions and have a conversation. Just saying "shut up and accept it!" is not conducive to progress. It might not seem fair but it's how the world works. people are allowed to ask questions and have a conversation though --- http://error1355.com/ce/averagejoel.html <cite>averagejoel posted [p:964800184] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>AmericaTheBrave posted... </cite> <quote>People should be allowed to ask questions and have a conversation. Just saying "shut up and accept it!" is not conducive to progress. It might not seem fair but it's how the world works.</quote>people are allowed to ask questions and have a conversation though </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SpiritSephiroth 05/04/22 10:13:56 PM #31:	Masao posted... Why do you absolutely need to understand, though? Isn't that what human beings do? Try to understand each other? How else are you going to be compassionate for others in regards to anything? --- https://i.imgur.com/spfW7gv.jpg https://i.imgur.com/EAuZ5LW.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ZzXmr8X.jpg <cite>SpiritSephiroth posted [p:964800241] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>Masao posted... </cite> <quote>Why do you absolutely need to understand, though?</quote> Isn't that what human beings do? Try to understand each other? How else are you going to be compassionate for others in regards to anything? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 05/04/22 10:14:14 PM #32:	HairyQueen posted... So it sounds like you understand why people may not take you seriously online then. Until you learn to change your approach, I don't think you'll have much luck. I am aware. Im trying really hard to filter my natural way of talking. But people online have such a lower sense of what offends them than in my irl circle. Especially when someone just dismisses my attempts. Like, the poster came in to my topic to say Its too tiring. Im not going to answer you, yet Im the one that is douchey. It just seems unfair. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:964800246] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>HairyQueen posted... </cite> <quote>So it sounds like you understand why people may not take you seriously online then. Until you learn to change your approach, I don't think you'll have much luck.</quote> I am aware. Im trying really hard to filter my natural way of talking. But people online have such a lower sense of what offends them than in my irl circle. Especially when someone just dismisses my attempts. Like, the poster came in to my topic to say Its too tiring. Im not going to answer you, yet Im the one that is douchey. It just seems unfair. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SpiritSephiroth 05/04/22 10:14:54 PM #33:	ElatedVenusaur posted... I have no idea why people expect us to justify ourselves. Over and over and over. Do you have any idea how exhausting and demeaning that is? If you're exhausted, don't post. Let someone else have the discussion. --- https://i.imgur.com/spfW7gv.jpg https://i.imgur.com/EAuZ5LW.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ZzXmr8X.jpg <cite>SpiritSephiroth posted [p:964800261] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>ElatedVenusaur posted... </cite> <quote>I have no idea why people expect us to justify ourselves. Over and over and over. Do you have any idea how exhausting and demeaning that is?</quote> If you're exhausted, don't post. Let someone else have the discussion. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AmericaTheBrave 05/04/22 10:15:05 PM #34:	averagejoel posted... people are allowed to ask questions and have a conversation though (X) Doubt You can see ITT people are trying immediately to shut TC down. --- https://imgur.com/h74Kc6W <cite>AmericaTheBrave posted [p:964800266] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>people are allowed to ask questions and have a conversation though</quote> (X) Doubt You can see ITT people are trying immediately to shut TC down. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonStar 05/04/22 10:15:40 PM #35:	Because they don't feel right in the body they were born with. Not every trans person transitions and the decision to do so isn't a thing they take lightly. Being stuck in the body they don't feel is them while being treated by everyone accordingly to that body and not how they want to be treated every waking moment of their life seems pretty awful, no? <cite>CommonStar posted [p:964800277] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>Because they don't feel right in the body they were born with. Not every trans person transitions and the decision to do so isn't a thing they take lightly. Being stuck in the body they don't feel is them while being treated by everyone accordingly to that body and not how they want to be treated every waking moment of their life seems pretty awful, no? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fire_bolt 05/04/22 10:16:02 PM #36:	AmericaTheBrave posted... People should be allowed to ask questions and have a conversation. Just saying "shut up and accept it!" is not conducive to progress. It might not seem fair but it's how the world works. You can ask all the questions you want. Thinking you're entitled to answers is the problem. No one, trans person or otherwise, owes you an explanation for *anything* they do. --- Please, call me Bolt <cite>fire_bolt posted [p:964800286] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>AmericaTheBrave posted...</cite> <quote>People should be allowed to ask questions and have a conversation. Just saying "shut up and accept it!" is not conducive to progress. It might not seem fair but it's how the world works. </quote> You can ask all the questions you want. Thinking you're entitled to answers is the problem. No one, trans person or otherwise, owes you an explanation for anything they do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PlantBased 05/04/22 10:16:08 PM #37:	You were at odds with the world over how you fit in (or did not fit in) as a black person. Trans people are at odds with how they fit in in their own body. <cite>PlantBased posted [p:964800291] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>You were at odds with the world over how you fit in (or did not fit in) as a black person. Trans people are at odds with how they fit in in their own body. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
haloiscoolisbak 05/04/22 10:16:40 PM #38:	It'd probably be constructive to ignore the people you feel are shutting you down TC unless you want your thread to devolve into a hostile back n forth over whether you're genuine or trolling with your initial question --- Started from the bottom now we here <cite>haloiscoolisbak posted [p:964800307] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>It'd probably be constructive to ignore the people you feel are shutting you down TC unless you want your thread to devolve into a hostile back n forth over whether you're genuine or trolling with your initial question </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SpiritSephiroth 05/04/22 10:17:24 PM #39:	fire_bolt posted... You can ask all the questions you want. Thinking you're entitled to answers is the problem. No one, trans person or otherwise, owes you an explanation for *anything* they do. Then goodluck gaining the support of others. Having grounded conversations (Not arguments) is healthy for everyone if conducted correctly. --- https://i.imgur.com/spfW7gv.jpg https://i.imgur.com/EAuZ5LW.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ZzXmr8X.jpg <cite>SpiritSephiroth posted [p:964800325] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>fire_bolt posted... </cite> <quote>You can ask all the questions you want. Thinking you're entitled to answers is the problem. No one, trans person or otherwise, owes you an explanation for anything they do.</quote> Then goodluck gaining the support of others. Having grounded conversations (Not arguments) is healthy for everyone if conducted correctly. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kingdrake2 05/04/22 10:17:28 PM #40:	haloiscoolisbak posted... It'd probably be constructive to ignore the people it's the best idea of all. maybe block a few. just to keep em in line. --- rolled in a tortilla from the peeled skin of a rabid jackal - Broodwich wrap. all served on a bed of evil and lettuce. <cite>kingdrake2 posted [p:964800326] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>haloiscoolisbak posted...</cite> <quote>It'd probably be constructive to ignore the people</quote> it's the best idea of all. maybe block a few. just to keep em in line.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fire_bolt 05/04/22 10:18:23 PM #41:	SpiritSephiroth posted... Then goodluck gaining the support of others. Having grounded conversations (Not arguments) is healthy for everyone if conducted correctly. Why should they need the support of others? Do you need support to be CIS? Why can't they just be allowed to be? --- Please, call me Bolt <cite>fire_bolt posted [p:964800351] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>SpiritSephiroth posted...</cite> <quote> Then goodluck gaining the support of others. Having grounded conversations (Not arguments) is healthy for everyone if conducted correctly. </quote> Why should they need the support of others? Do you need support to be CIS? Why can't they just be allowed to be?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
refmon 05/04/22 10:19:24 PM #42:	SpiritSephiroth posted... Then goodluck gaining the support of others. Having grounded conversations (Not arguments) is healthy for everyone if conducted correctly. --- If you read this signature, then that meant that I had control of what you read for 5 SECONDS!! <cite>refmon posted [p:964800374] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>SpiritSephiroth posted... </cite> <quote>Then goodluck gaining the support of others. Having grounded conversations (Not arguments) is healthy for everyone if conducted correctly.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SpiritSephiroth 05/04/22 10:20:54 PM #43:	fire_bolt posted... Why should they need the support of others? Do you need support to be CIS? Why can't they just be allowed to be? Because being a trans person isn't the majority believe it or not. There are places and cultures who have no idea who these people are. Again, I shouldn't even speak for them since I know so little myself. But if you're a minority of anything, it would be much better for a community to understand you. I don't even know how this is hard to grasp? Acceptance at all levels comes with understanding. Without acceptance, there is a possibility of conflict and strife. --- https://i.imgur.com/spfW7gv.jpg https://i.imgur.com/EAuZ5LW.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ZzXmr8X.jpg <cite>SpiritSephiroth posted [p:964800401] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>fire_bolt posted... </cite> <quote>Why should they need the support of others? Do you need support to be CIS? Why can't they just be allowed to be?</quote> Because being a trans person isn't the majority believe it or not. There are places and cultures who have no idea who these people are. Again, I shouldn't even speak for them since I know so little myself. But if you're a minority of anything, it would be much better for a community to understand you. I don't even know how this is hard to grasp? Acceptance at all levels comes with understanding. Without acceptance, there is a possibility of conflict and strife. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokison 05/04/22 10:21:37 PM #44:	I really want to participate in this topic, but I need to go to bed. TC, I think you have worded your question beautifully and I hope you get respectful answers to this question. I only read maybe 10 posts though so.. idk. If this is up I'd like to read it tomorrow and maybe learn some stuff myself. --- Word from the wise: Don't run in the shower. <cite>Lokison posted [p:964800417] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>I really want to participate in this topic, but I need to go to bed. TC, I think you have worded your question beautifully and I hope you get respectful answers to this question. I only read maybe 10 posts though so.. idk. If this is up I'd like to read it tomorrow and maybe learn some stuff myself. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fire_bolt 05/04/22 10:23:23 PM #45:	SpiritSephiroth posted... Because being a trans person isn't the majority believe it or not. There are places and cultures who have no idea who these people are. Again, I shouldn't even speak for them since I know so little myself. But if you're a minority of anything, it would be much better for a community to understand you. I don't even know how this is hard to grasp? Acceptance at all levels comes with understanding. Without acceptance, there is a possibility of conflict and strife. Again, why do you need to accept them to let them exist? Why do they need to prove themselves to you in any way? Are you required to wake up every day and explain on the internet why you're a straight white male or whatever? --- Please, call me Bolt <cite>fire_bolt posted [p:964800450] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>SpiritSephiroth posted...</cite> <quote> Because being a trans person isn't the majority believe it or not. There are places and cultures who have no idea who these people are. Again, I shouldn't even speak for them since I know so little myself. But if you're a minority of anything, it would be much better for a community to understand you. I don't even know how this is hard to grasp? Acceptance at all levels comes with understanding. Without acceptance, there is a possibility of conflict and strife. </quote> Again, why do you need to accept them to let them exist? Why do they need to prove themselves to you in any way? Are you required to wake up every day and explain on the internet why you're a straight white male or whatever?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 05/04/22 10:24:42 PM #46:	haloiscoolisbak posted... It'd probably be constructive to ignore the people you feel are shutting you down TC unless you want your thread to devolve into a hostile back n forth over whether you're genuine or trolling with your initial question Yes, youre right. PlantBased posted... You were at odds with the world over how you fit in (or did not fit in) as a black person. Trans people are at odds with how they fit in in their own body. Sure, I believe I understand that. But I had to overcome my feelings of not fitting in by accepting it. Maybe theres not an answer and the previous poster is right, but I guess Im not understanding the strong need to forcibly correct that lack of fitting in with ones body, is all. CommonStar posted... Because they don't feel right in the body they were born with. Not every trans person transitions and the decision to do so isn't a thing they take lightly. Being stuck in the body they don't feel is them while being treated by everyone accordingly to that body and not how they want to be treated every waking moment of their life seems pretty awful, no? I guess thats something I cant necessarily go through. Eventually, me being black doesnt affect me as constantly I think. I guess its always that question of what does feeling like a man feel like. Like, Im a guy. But I couldnt exactly tell you what it feels like. Im just a guy because the world says I am. Maybe that nuance is what Im lacking to understand. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:964800482] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>haloiscoolisbak posted... </cite> <quote>It'd probably be constructive to ignore the people you feel are shutting you down TC unless you want your thread to devolve into a hostile back n forth over whether you're genuine or trolling with your initial question</quote> Yes, youre right. PlantBased posted... </cite> <quote>You were at odds with the world over how you fit in (or did not fit in) as a black person. Trans people are at odds with how they fit in in their own body.</quote> Sure, I believe I understand that. But I had to overcome my feelings of not fitting in by accepting it. Maybe theres not an answer and the previous poster is right, but I guess Im not understanding the strong need to forcibly correct that lack of fitting in with ones body, is all. CommonStar posted... </cite> <quote>Because they don't feel right in the body they were born with. Not every trans person transitions and the decision to do so isn't a thing they take lightly. Being stuck in the body they don't feel is them while being treated by everyone accordingly to that body and not how they want to be treated every waking moment of their life seems pretty awful, no?</quote> I guess thats something I cant necessarily go through. Eventually, me being black doesnt affect me as constantly I think. I guess its always that question of what does feeling like a man feel like. Like, Im a guy. But I couldnt exactly tell you what it feels like. Im just a guy because the world says I am. Maybe that nuance is what Im lacking to understand. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
haloiscoolisbak 05/04/22 10:25:53 PM #47:	SpiritSephiroth posted... Because being a trans person isn't the majority believe it or not. There are places and cultures who have no idea who these people are. Again, I shouldn't even speak for them since I know so little myself. But if you're a minority of anything, it would be much better for a community to understand you. I don't even know how this is hard to grasp? Acceptance at all levels comes with understanding. Without acceptance, there is a possibility of conflict and strife. Also, minority groups should aim for higher than reluctant acceptance. A better understanding can lead to genuine embracement and affection. Tolerance is a bit of an ugly word to me, it implies someone is just putting up with something while still resenting it deep down, like a redneck over the subject of gay people. "I won't beat 'em up anymore but I ain't gonna be friends with one!" Mind you Transphobia is so ingrained in society that maybe acceptance is all they feel they can realistically achieve --- Started from the bottom now we here <cite>haloiscoolisbak posted [p:964800501] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>SpiritSephiroth posted... </cite> <quote>Because being a trans person isn't the majority believe it or not. There are places and cultures who have no idea who these people are. Again, I shouldn't even speak for them since I know so little myself. But if you're a minority of anything, it would be much better for a community to understand you. I don't even know how this is hard to grasp? Acceptance at all levels comes with understanding. Without acceptance, there is a possibility of conflict and strife.</quote> Also, minority groups should aim for higher than reluctant acceptance. A better understanding can lead to genuine embracement and affection. Tolerance is a bit of an ugly word to me, it implies someone is just putting up with something while still resenting it deep down, like a redneck over the subject of gay people. "I won't beat 'em up anymore but I ain't gonna be friends with one!" Mind you Transphobia is so ingrained in society that maybe acceptance is all they feel they can realistically achieve </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SpiritSephiroth 05/04/22 10:27:30 PM #48:	fire_bolt posted... Again, why do you need to accept them to let them exist? Why do they need to prove themselves to you in any way? Are you required to wake up every day and explain on the internet why you're a straight white male or whatever? You're missing the point. Being a straight-white male is a norm. But for example if I enter a school full of white people as a black guy or asian guy, and they know nothing about my ways or culture, discimination occurs. This discrimination comes from a lack of understanding about their ways. A fear of the unknown which can be dispelled if they knew more. Also, you're not required to do anything at all if you wish that. Except as a people, to grow we need to share our beliefs and cultures, no matter how different we are. Thats how new laws are made, and thats how society begins to accept people who are different from them, or the norm that has been established for so many years. --- https://i.imgur.com/spfW7gv.jpg https://i.imgur.com/EAuZ5LW.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ZzXmr8X.jpg <cite>SpiritSephiroth posted [p:964800531] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>fire_bolt posted... </cite> <quote>Again, why do you need to accept them to let them exist? Why do they need to prove themselves to you in any way? Are you required to wake up every day and explain on the internet why you're a straight white male or whatever?</quote> You're missing the point. Being a straight-white male is a norm. But for example if I enter a school full of white people as a black guy or asian guy, and they know nothing about my ways or culture, discimination occurs. This discrimination comes from a lack of understanding about their ways. A fear of the unknown which can be dispelled if they knew more. Also, you're not required to do anything at all if you wish that. Except as a people, to grow we need to share our beliefs and cultures, no matter how different we are. Thats how new laws are made, and thats how society begins to accept people who are different from them, or the norm that has been established for so many years. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The X Dawg 05/04/22 10:28:48 PM #49:	Honestly I think it boils down to acceptability and access. I have no doubt that individuals have had these thoughts about themselves for thousands of years. Now we have have the tools and resources to make it more viable. And it is more acceptable in society. ...well barely apparently. Hundred of years from now or so, someone transitioning won't have anyone blink an eye. As it should be. I mean if you didn't feel like you were the person you were supposed to be and there were actual ways to fix that, and not make you incredibly poor, wouldn't you go for it? <cite>The X Dawg posted [p:964800554] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>Honestly I think it boils down to acceptability and access. I have no doubt that individuals have had these thoughts about themselves for thousands of years. Now we have have the tools and resources to make it more viable. And it is more acceptable in society. ...well barely apparently. Hundred of years from now or so, someone transitioning won't have anyone blink an eye. As it should be. I mean if you didn't feel like you were the person you were supposed to be and there were actual ways to fix that, and not make you incredibly poor, wouldn't you go for it? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 05/04/22 10:29:42 PM #50:	I think the idea of "be proud of your body" usually has to do with external pressures (society says this is the right weight, this is the best body shape to be attractive, etc) and your internalization of it, whereas body dysmorphia has more to do with internal "pressures". Sure some of that is expressed in ways that are based on societal factors, but it's more than just how other perceive you. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:964800578] in Can I ask ... [t:80009696]...</cite> <quote>I think the idea of "be proud of your body" usually has to do with external pressures (society says this is the right weight, this is the best body shape to be attractive, etc) and your internalization of it, whereas body dysmorphia has more to do with internal "pressures". Sure some of that is expressed in ways that are based on societal factors, but it's more than just how other perceive you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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