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_stingers_ 12/09/21 9:16:12 PM #402: |
But now you can play it!
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Anagram 12/09/21 9:24:30 PM #403: |
He was brilliant... Perhaps too brilliant...
Final Fantasy (name) Final Fantasy VII Aerith dies Blue Magic Spheres 8-Bit Theater Final Fantasy Tactics Auron Nobuo Uematsu Final Fantasy X Music Ramza Beoulve Delita Hyral Old Man Party Members Tifa Calculator/Mathematician Midgar This is the way Final Fantasy VI Spell Suffixes Summon (Command) Tifa/Scarlet Slap Fight Tonberries Desperation Attacks Aerith Chocobos Algus/Miluda at Thieve's Fort Malboro IV's Rotating Party Hinonobu Sakaguchi Opera Scene Kilika Sending Scene Omnislash Suplexing a Train Blitzbomb Celes' Attempted Suicide Galuf's Last Stand Unique Game Logos Crystals R = U Theory Midgar Zolom Final Fantasy IV Yuna's Character Growth Final Fantasy I Final Fantasy VIII Lulu's Dress Ramza vs Wiegraf Duel Temporary Party Members So enthusiastic, and yet so stupid Cecil Harvey: The cool thing about Cecil is that FFIV predates our modern conception of a JRPG by so much that he bucks a lot of trends. He's not a prettybo--oh wait now he is. Well, he's not a teenag--oh, they declared he was 20, when he was in charge of the army. Well, at least his name is norma--oh, it's "Sess-ill." Well, at least he's already in a relationship before the game starts. That's one thing I appreciate about Rosa -- there's zero 'will they or won't they.' Cecil's great as a "can I be redeemed, I'm such a monsterrrr" character, they know just the right amount to push that angle before it gets stale. He gets a bit boring after that scene because his development as a character is basically over, but I'll accept it. Cecil accepted who and what he is and has decided to move on and be the true image of a noble knight. And he has one of the best scenes in the series, where he battles his evil doppelganger to purge himself of the darkness. That's sort of the point of the scene, where the power of darkness can't stand against the light, just like how literal light banishes literal darkness. It's what's called a metaphor. I bring this up because I know he's a style switcher in Dissidia, where both skills are equally useful. Yes, I will complain about that. Basically what I'm saying is that the dark knight is meant to be a weak class because the whole point is that you're relying on a weak source of power, and that Cecil becoming a paladin is both literally and figuratively him finding a new, stronger source of power. It's almost the same thing as the Dark Side of the Force, where everyone completely misunderstood it. The whole point of 'bringing balance to the Force' was that the natural status of the Force is good, like the Jedi, and the Dark Side is just a corruption. Everything except the Lucas movies misunderstands that and treats the Dark Side as equal to the "Light Side," which is never referenced in the six movies he made because the "Light Side" is just the natural state of things. I can't believe that George Lucas is the only person who understood such an obvious concept, or else that everyone else understood it and just preferred a Yin-Yang interpretation. **** Yin-Yang interpretations of things, there I said it. I bring this up because dark knight shouldn't be a real class in the same way that thief or blue mage is a real class. Anyway Cecil is cool. Supernova l i t t l e m o n e y Jecht: Daddy Issues: The Character. Jecht has a great design, and the best interpersonal drama with his game's main character (who's his competition? Golbez? Robopope? Kuja? Give me a break). I've never liked his final boss theme, but that's not going to hurt him too much. He also holds the unique distinction of being the only FF final boss that ever gave me a game over. I got almost to the end, I was like two turns away from winning, and finally lost. I'm pretty sure that Jecht is just strong enough that you can't beat him on no-sphere grid/aeon/weapon games, too. Cactaurs Slots (skill/limit break) Aerith vs Tifa FFX's Voice Acting Bravely Default One-Winged Angel Grenades (enemy) FFT's Original Translation Gold Saucer Dates Cloud and Tifa having sex under the Highwind Golbez Going to the Moon Yuna Final Fantasy V Gun Arms World Maps Squall's Dreams Dressphere Designs FFT Spell Incantations Let's mosey Balthier Weather-themed Names Tidus/Yuna Relationship Imperial Banquet Locke Official Dressphere Spelling Kefka's Godhood Job Systems Gunblade Stay Away From the Summoner Lady Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Black Mage (job) Gold Saucer The Extreme Red Mage Card Games Dragoon (job) ATB Quistis Trepe Blitzball Victory Fanfare Cloud/Barret Date Edgar's Tools Cidolfus Orlandu Geomancer (job) Chemist (FFV) Mix (FFX) You Spoony Bard The chances of me playing FFVIIR Barret and Cid's Language Mystic Knight (job) Final Bosses Ivalice Moogles Mixing Sci-fi and Fantasy Ultimate Weapons Final Fantasy IX Wacky Hair Fourth Wall Gilgamesh Matoya's Brooms Having a good feeling because this is the way The Laughing Scene Tidus being a whiny crybaby: Contextually, this makes complete sense, and Tidus overcoming his weaknesses by finally reconnecting with his father is great. Has anyone in fiction ever learned his MOTHER was evil and needed to be killed? This seems like untapped potential. Shadow Airships Turks (organization) Monk (job) Bio (spell): I'm all for spells that aren't just 'X element damage,' and Bio basically fits that bill. Sure, all it does is poison the enemy, but I'll take it. Maechen Edea Final Fantasy Wiki Gilgamesh Bahamut The kid who wants to grow up to be a blitzball I, Garland, will knock you all down! FFXIV's Free Trial Ondore's Lies Magicite Same Orphanage Evil Empires This Guy Are Sick Xenogears White Mage (job) Megaphones (weapon) Marche is the Villain Theory Dancing Mad Dinosaurs (enemy) Berserker (job) Kingdom Hearts (series) SMFFFC Ultima Shinra Stairs Rydia Kuja Final Fantasy XII Official FFIX Strategy Guide Yu Yevon Angelo (dog) Final Fantasy Tactics Advance Psycho Cyan Mukki Sword-chucks Dark Knight (job): Conceptually, this is a cool idea for a job. The problem is that it has no consistent shtick. I can tell you FF's paladin shtick, its warrior shtick, its dragoon shtick, but not its dark knight shtick. Injuring yourself to hurt the enemy more? Please. I would have talked more about its use in FFIV, but since someone also nominated Cecil, I'll save it for his entry. I know Cecil's entry will go above this, but I'm writing these entries in the order they're given in the topic, so this won't make sense unless you skip to this part first. Garnet becoming Dagger FF characters being phased out of KH --- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anagram 12/09/21 9:24:34 PM #404: |
Whatever
Thief (job) Fellows (FFIII) Final Fantasy Commercials B8 FF Music Contest Tidus Fantasy X OST: You didn't expect me to listen to the whole thing, did ya? Surprise. Decisive Battle was the best track. Zidane/Garnet Relationship Veldt Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest music Ixion Goblins Cloud and Barret being bi Final Fantasy Dissidia 1 Final Fantasy X-2: Remember when a sequel to a specific FF was a new idea, and people argued if it would be canon? Anyway, this is not a good game. By any fair metric, it's kind of bad. Trying to get 100% completion just straight-up requires GameFAQs (I got the second to best ending blind), the main characters are just completely intolerable, the rival trio are also really bad, and 90% of it is reused assets. But everyone likes the job changing system, which is genuinely cool and fun. That's the one thing people talk about with this game, the job system. No one talks about how Lulu is randomly sidelined so we can get a second goth chick. People do talk about Tidus returning to life, though. I guess I don't hate that part, but it does sort of cheapen FFX's perfect bittersweet ending. Anyway, I'd say my biggest issues with this game are Yuna's personality change and how you simply require a guide to get some of the jobs. FF8 Game Over Screen Frocobo Gabranth Speedrunning Gil (currency) Final Fantasy IV: The After Years Colundo Vanille Tidus being an awkward fool Frontier Village Dali (song) Summon Monsters Penance Warrior (job) Final Fantasy Split Party Dungeons Bells (weapon) Squall is Dead Theory The Valkyrie (FFVIIR OST) Festival of the Hunt Ghido Sabin's WoB Segment Rikku's Older Brother Being Named Brother Gogo Yos***aka Amano X-Death vs ExDeath Roman Numerals instead of Arabic Numerals Terra vs Celes Umaro-type Characters Looking at you is making me sober Jump Rope Blinded by Light FF7 Game Over Screen Costa del Sol condo Mario Hoops 3-on-3 Ultimecia Wark vs Kweh Gambit System Final Fantasy XIV Ivalice Edge's Name Yasumi Matsuno FFVI Glitches Alexandria (city) Moogle Charm FFXIV's Financial Success Clops Dark Aeons Hildibrand gets chased and suplexed Flan Princess Gau's Gameplay Mechanics Gogo as Adlai Stevenson Theory Cast Size Shrinkage Since IX Moogles (general) FFVII CPR Minigame Final Fantasy Randomizers Smash Ultimate Sephiroth Reveal Irvines Hat Fat Chocobo Moomba Selphie-type Characters Saving healing items, but never using them Lightning Punching Snow Twice NORG Besaid Prayer The fact that my favorite thing about Final Fantasy is the name Yang's Wife Dilly dally shilly shally FFIX Fountain Tetra Master Zack Fair Prompto Argentum FFIII Final Dungeon: I've only played the DS version (well, played to completion), and I had to look this one up. I remembered it quickly, though. Unimpressive outing, honestly. I've seen better. I'm not sure what I'd say is the best final dungeon in RPGs, but it's probably not a Final Fantasy one. What even is there? Garland's Castle (bleh), whatever FFII has (I don't even remember), this (bleh), the Moon (interesting concept, but bleh execution), the X-Dimension or whatever it was (bleh), Kefka's Tower (cool concept, bleh execution), the Crater (bleh), Ultimecia's Castle (reasonable), the Crystal Dimension (bleh), Sin's Stomach (bleh), and the FFXII palace? Jesus Christ, this series. Umaro The Car Hot Dogs FFIX Game Over Screen Argath's Name Change FFII's Keyword System Tetsuya Nomura Chocobo Hot and Cold Needlessly Long Summon Animations Cloud's Kingdom Hearts Outfit XI and XIV being MMOs Ramza's Nose in Dissidia Vaan's Abs FFX vs FFX-2 Blitzball Final Fantasy XV in a Nutshell Godbert Manderville Advent Children Church Scene with Ramza and Delita The Compilation of Final Fantasy VII Renaming Characters FFIX's Battle System Law System (FFTA) Final Fantasy III Brother wanting to bone his cousin FFIX Ability Learning Final Fantasy Dimensions Nominating something already ranked in the topic Racist Wakka FFXVI Trailer Sephiroth vs Vergil Death Battle Blame yourself or God Viera (race): I don't mind the idea of bunny people, but an entire race of Playboy Bunny models is just so pathetic and lame. They're not even interesting, they are for all useful purposes just elves. Keep in mind that I've only seen them in FFTA and FFXII, so feel free to tell me that they're expanded upon and made more interesting in other games, but I won't believe you. Even in FFXII, they're useless. They're just a roadblock so Fran can say "hey let my friends thru pls" and do something in the story for once. All of the other Ivalice races are more interesting, and get 1% of the screen time. Where's my Nu Mou party member, dammit? Brave Exvius YuRiPa Square-Enix Merger Quina Final Fantasy II Level Grinding NORA Prerendered Cutscenes FFXV's Development Woes Auron's illegitimate daughter Zidane's Sexual Harassment Final Fantasy XIII Robopope Final Fantasy TCG FF6 Main Character Arguments Level Scaling Theatrhythm/Curtain Call Feral Chaos Luso's Sword Crazy Chocobo Shelinda FFX being the last good one Characters with names three letters or less Blue Mage Trailer (FFXIV) Materia (Dissidia NT) Hundreds of voices screaming in unison Moms are tough: This isn't the worst line in FF history. It's not even the lamest. But there's just something about it. It is incredibly lame, of course, but Hope's mother falling to her death with this as her last words is just skin-crawlingly bad. I have to believe it sounds less stupid in Japanese. It also doesn't help that this series doesn't have tough moms, does it? How many moms does it even have? Tidus' mom, Terra's mom, Bartz's mom, Cloud's mom, Squall's mom, Zell's mom, Relm's mom, Terra, Red XIII's mom, Aerith's mom, Queen Brahe, and Lulu. Of those, I can charitably describe two of them as tough, and they're still just mages, so not even tough by adventurer standards. Luso's Oufit Losing your save file FFVII/FFX Combined Universe Theory Lightning Dodging --- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 12/09/21 9:29:02 PM #405: |
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azuarc 12/09/21 9:36:07 PM #406: |
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Has anyone in fiction ever learned his MOTHER was evil and needed to be killed? This seems like untapped potential. If you change the "his" to a "her," then yes, like a billion times. --- Only the exceptions can be exceptional. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JonThePenguin 12/09/21 10:17:53 PM #407: |
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Serah Farron --- JonThePenguin http://www.backloggery.com/main.php?user=erunion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Torlovsk 12/09/21 10:29:56 PM #408: |
Vincent Valentine
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Anagram 12/09/21 10:43:13 PM #409: |
~~ Breaking Cecil Update ~~
According to the wiki, Cecil's name is of ambiguous pronunciation, and one FFXII bonus disc uses "See-sill." --- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 12/09/21 10:44:41 PM #410: |
"seh-sill" is a normal pronunciation of the name too
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redrocket 12/09/21 10:46:58 PM #411: |
Ninja job
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Hbthebattle 12/09/21 11:22:31 PM #412: |
Killing Chaos
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Anagram 12/10/21 12:06:36 AM #413: |
~~ Breaking FF7 Update ~~
Apparently, FF7R was just announced as an Epic exclusive on PC, which I'm pretty sure was a meme. --- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mac Arrowny 12/10/21 12:35:50 AM #414: |
Apparently it was such a meme that you skipped my post!
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Anagram 12/10/21 1:05:56 AM #415: |
Mac Arrowny posted...
Apparently it was such a meme that you skipped my post!I actually swear I read it, then just forgot, read it again, and posted it. --- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anagram 12/10/21 10:12:02 AM #416: |
He was brilliant... Perhaps too brilliant...
Final Fantasy (name) Final Fantasy VII Aerith dies Blue Magic Spheres 8-Bit Theater Final Fantasy Tactics Auron Nobuo Uematsu Final Fantasy X Music Ramza Beoulve Delita Hyral Old Man Party Members Tifa Calculator/Mathematician Midgar This is the way Final Fantasy VI Spell Suffixes Summon (Command) Tifa/Scarlet Slap Fight Tonberries Desperation Attacks Aerith Chocobos Algus/Miluda at Thieve's Fort Malboro IV's Rotating Party Hinonobu Sakaguchi Opera Scene Kilika Sending Scene Omnislash Suplexing a Train Blitzbomb Celes' Attempted Suicide Galuf's Last Stand Unique Game Logos Crystals R = U Theory Midgar Zolom Final Fantasy IV Yuna's Character Growth Final Fantasy I Final Fantasy VIII Lulu's Dress Ramza vs Wiegraf Duel Temporary Party Members So enthusiastic, and yet so stupid Cecil Harvey Supernova l i t t l e m o n e y Jecht Cactaurs Slots (skill/limit break) Aerith vs Tifa FFX's Voice Acting Bravely Default One-Winged Angel Grenades (enemy) FFT's Original Translation Gold Saucer Dates Cloud and Tifa having sex under the Highwind Golbez Going to the Moon Yuna Final Fantasy V Gun Arms Dr. Cid: I think a lot of this guy's popularity among fans is just because he's the only energetic, lively character in the entire game. Everyone else is at like a 4, and he's at a 9. He probably doesn't even deserve to be this high on a tier list for the whole series, but I'll let it slide. Cid at least brings some kind of fun and interest to a game that's sorely lacking those things. One thing I want to note is how this game and FFXV hedged their bets with fake Cids. Both games did something different with their Cids (villain and girl), then added a second person who's also named Cid so they can switch who's the official Cid if they felt like it. But FFXIII's Cid doesn't do that, despite being the most different one of all: a 20-year-old bishie fighter who's not an engineer. Point is, I didn't even remember the second Cid for XII until I looked him up. FFX didn't bother with backup Cids or anything, it just gave us an old man with a sword. Anyway, who's the official XV Cid? I demand to know. World Maps Squall's Dreams Dressphere Designs FFT Spell Incantations Let's mosey Balthier Weather-themed Names Tidus/Yuna Relationship Imperial Banquet Locke Official Dressphere Spelling Kefka's Godhood Job Systems Gunblade Stay Away From the Summoner Lady Vincent Valentine: Vincent is the most *sheathes katana* of any character in history who doesn't have a katana. He's not even really that edgy in personality, but his design, man. It's scientifically designed to appeal to 14-year-old boys. I think there's a reason why he resonates with people, and it's just the design. I never played DoC, does he even still have his mechanic of turning into classic horror monsters? Because that was the one thing about him that was outwardly goofy instead of the ironic goof that is everything about him. It's also interesting how integrated he is into the story as an important character's son, when he does nothing the entire time. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Black Mage (job) Gold Saucer The Extreme Red Mage Card Games Dragoon (job) ATB Quistis Trepe Blitzball Victory Fanfare Cloud/Barret Date Edgar's Tools Cidolfus Orlandu Geomancer (job) Chemist (FFV) Mix (FFX) You Spoony Bard The chances of me playing FFVIIR Barret and Cid's Language Mystic Knight (job) Final Bosses Ivalice Moogles Mixing Sci-fi and Fantasy Ultimate Weapons Final Fantasy IX Wacky Hair Fourth Wall Gilgamesh Matoya's Brooms Having a good feeling because this is the way The Laughing Scene Tidus being a whiny crybaby Shadow Airships Turks (organization) Monk (job) Bio (spell) Killing Chaos: I hadn't heard of this meme until now. I looked it up, and found an image of the guy punching a monster from behind, and I swear I thought it was a mashup image some fan had made of Nero from DMC5 punching a Final Fantasy monster. I watched the trailer, and this looks so dumb and bad. I don't know who this appeals to. And you can't end the trailer with Garland dramatically jumping off of his throne, landing on his knee, and grunting like an old man! But hearing that uncharismatic doofus constantly saying things like "chaosssssss" was fun. Maechen Edea Final Fantasy Wiki Gilgamesh Bahamut The kid who wants to grow up to be a blitzball I, Garland, will knock you all down! FFXIV's Free Trial Ondore's Lies Magicite Same Orphanage Evil Empires This Guy Are Sick Xenogears White Mage (job) Megaphones (weapon) Marche is the Villain Theory Dancing Mad Dinosaurs (enemy) Berserker (job) Kingdom Hearts (series) SMFFFC Ultima Shinra Stairs Rydia Kuja Final Fantasy XII Official FFIX Strategy Guide Yu Yevon Angelo (dog) Final Fantasy Tactics Advance Psycho Cyan Mukki Sword-chucks Dark Knight (job) Garnet becoming Dagger FF characters being phased out of KH Whatever Thief (job) Fellows (FFIII) Final Fantasy Commercials B8 FF Music Contest Tidus Fantasy X OST Zidane/Garnet Relationship Veldt Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest music Ixion Ninja (job): The ninja has exactly the boring design you'd expect. Its only consistent gimmicks are throwing objects at enemies (I'm always too wary to "waste" an object, so the only things I ever end up throwing are shuriken) and dual-wielding. Whether dual-wielding or two-handed weapons is better depends on the game, but honestly, I don't care a ton. This job is just bleh. It's exactly what you think it'll be. Goblins Cloud and Barret being bi Final Fantasy Dissidia 1 Final Fantasy X-2 FF8 Game Over Screen Frocobo Gabranth Speedrunning Gil (currency) Final Fantasy IV: The After Years Colundo Vanille Tidus being an awkward fool Frontier Village Dali (song) Summon Monsters Penance Serah Farron: I've only played FFXIII, not the sequels, so I only have that to go off of. It's possible she really comes into her own later on, but in just the first game, I don't remember her being anything more than a damsel for Lightning and Snow to rescue. She's important in a broad plot sense, but she just immediately turns into a crystal and gets imersponated by robopope. That's another thing about FFXIII. It has multiple villains, but Robopope does everything himself. He needed like a minion who's the master of disguise or something, that's not a job you give to the main villain unless that's his shtick. Warrior (job) Final Fantasy Split Party Dungeons Bells (weapon) Squall is Dead Theory The Valkyrie (FFVIIR OST) Festival of the Hunt Ghido Sabin's WoB Segment Rikku's Older Brother Being Named Brother Gogo Yos***aka Amano X-Death vs ExDeath Roman Numerals instead of Arabic Numerals Terra vs Celes Umaro-type Characters --- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anagram 12/10/21 10:12:09 AM #417: |
Looking at you is making me sober
Jump Rope Blinded by Light FF7 Game Over Screen Costa del Sol condo Mario Hoops 3-on-3 Ultimecia Wark vs Kweh Gambit System Final Fantasy XIV Ivalice Edge's Name Yasumi Matsuno FFVI Glitches Alexandria (city) Moogle Charm FFXIV's Financial Success Clops Dark Aeons Hildibrand gets chased and suplexed Flan Princess Gau's Gameplay Mechanics Gogo as Adlai Stevenson Theory Cast Size Shrinkage Since IX Moogles (general) FFVII CPR Minigame Final Fantasy Randomizers Smash Ultimate Sephiroth Reveal Irvines Hat Fat Chocobo Moomba Selphie-type Characters Saving healing items, but never using them Lightning Punching Snow Twice NORG Besaid Prayer The fact that my favorite thing about Final Fantasy is the name Yang's Wife Dilly dally shilly shally FFIX Fountain Tetra Master Zack Fair Prompto Argentum FFIII Final Dungeon Umaro The Car Hot Dogs FFIX Game Over Screen Argath's Name Change FFII's Keyword System Tetsuya Nomura Chocobo Hot and Cold Needlessly Long Summon Animations Cloud's Kingdom Hearts Outfit XI and XIV being MMOs Ramza's Nose in Dissidia Vaan's Abs FFX vs FFX-2 Blitzball Final Fantasy XV in a Nutshell Godbert Manderville Advent Children Church Scene with Ramza and Delita The Compilation of Final Fantasy VII Renaming Characters FFIX's Battle System Law System (FFTA) Final Fantasy III Brother wanting to bone his cousin FFIX Ability Learning Final Fantasy Dimensions Nominating something already ranked in the topic Racist Wakka FFXVI Trailer Sephiroth vs Vergil Death Battle Blame yourself or God Viera (race) Brave Exvius YuRiPa Square-Enix Merger Quina Final Fantasy II Level Grinding NORA Prerendered Cutscenes FFXV's Development Woes Auron's illegitimate daughter Zidane's Sexual Harassment Final Fantasy XIII Robopope Final Fantasy TCG FF6 Main Character Arguments Level Scaling Theatrhythm/Curtain Call Feral Chaos Luso's Sword Crazy Chocobo Shelinda FFX being the last good one Characters with names three letters or less Blue Mage Trailer (FFXIV) Materia (Dissidia NT) Hundreds of voices screaming in unison Moms are tough Luso's Oufit Losing your save file FFVII/FFX Combined Universe Theory Lightning Dodging --- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hbthebattle 12/10/21 10:19:11 AM #418: |
Dangerous Ariana Grande
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redrocket 12/10/21 11:26:47 AM #419: |
Boko (FFV)
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Mac Arrowny 12/10/21 11:48:08 AM #420: |
wow you skipped ranking it again...
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Isquen 12/10/21 12:00:12 PM #421: |
Yuna's X-2 "plan" opinion.
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Leonhart4 12/10/21 12:16:01 PM #422: |
Barret calling Midgar's plate a pizza --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anagram 12/10/21 12:27:47 PM #423: |
Mac Arrowny posted... wow you skipped ranking it again...I didnt realize it was meant to be ranked, I thought it was just news! --- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_stingers_ 12/10/21 12:42:35 PM #424: |
Squall --- Congrats Black Turtle! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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andylt 12/10/21 12:48:34 PM #425: |
Nominate names with ambiguous pronunciations --- Slowly becoming a Final Fantasy aficionado. Recently beat: Final Fantasy XV ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mac Arrowny 12/10/21 12:50:20 PM #426: |
It's funny how that doesn't apply in Japanese, since it's a phonetic language... Also just read the writeup for it now, but Kefka's Tower is an awesome final dungeon. Absolutely love it. --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Torlovsk 12/10/21 1:54:57 PM #427: |
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Anagram 12/10/21 10:10:48 PM #428: |
He was brilliant... Perhaps too brilliant... Final Fantasy (name) Final Fantasy VII Aerith dies Blue Magic Spheres 8-Bit Theater Final Fantasy Tactics Auron Nobuo Uematsu Final Fantasy X Music Ramza Beoulve Delita Hyral Old Man Party Members Tifa Calculator/Mathematician Yuna's opinion on your plan: What really sells this is Yuna's expressionless face as she says it. She just stares blankly into the camera and says the line as bluntly and emotionlessly as possible. This is unironically the best moment in FFX-2. Squall: Squall is destined to be the second most famous FF protagonist forever. He cannot escape this fate. His game was directly after Cloud's, they both are set in modern eras (where Squall's is cleaner and Cloud's is grimier), and they're both downbeat swordsmen. Squall is actually quite a bit more dignified, there's never a crossdressing or spa scene with him, but he's also a little less interesting. I can imagine Cloud without his romantic subplot, but I cannot imagine Squall without his. The story of a cynical jerk learning to open up because of a girl is time-tested. Midgar This is the way Final Fantasy VI Spell Suffixes Summon (Command) Tifa/Scarlet Slap Fight Tonberries Desperation Attacks Aerith Chocobos Algus/Miluda at Thieve's Fort Malboro IV's Rotating Party Hinonobu Sakaguchi Opera Scene Kilika Sending Scene Omnislash Suplexing a Train Blitzbomb Celes' Attempted Suicide Galuf's Last Stand Unique Game Logos Crystals R = U Theory Midgar Zolom Final Fantasy IV Yuna's Character Growth Final Fantasy I Final Fantasy VIII Lulu's Dress Ramza vs Wiegraf Duel Temporary Party Members So enthusiastic, and yet so stupid Cecil Harvey The Midgar Pizza: This actually makes complete sense to me. The city is circular and split into districts. I have zero issues with this, unironically. Supernova l i t t l e m o n e y Jecht Cactaurs Slots (skill/limit break) Aerith vs Tifa FFX's Voice Acting Bravely Default One-Winged Angel Grenades (enemy) FFT's Original Translation Gold Saucer Dates Cloud and Tifa having sex under the Highwind Golbez Going to the Moon Yuna Final Fantasy V Gun Arms Dr. Cid World Maps Squall's Dreams Dressphere Designs FFT Spell Incantations Let's mosey Balthier Weather-themed Names Tidus/Yuna Relationship Imperial Banquet Locke Official Dressphere Spelling Kefka's Godhood Job Systems Gunblade Stay Away From the Summoner Lady Vincent Valentine Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Black Mage (job) Gold Saucer The Extreme Red Mage Card Games Dragoon (job) ATB Quistis Trepe Blitzball Victory Fanfare Cloud/Barret Date Edgar's Tools Cidolfus Orlandu Geomancer (job) Chemist (FFV) Mix (FFX) You Spoony Bard The chances of me playing FFVIIR Barret and Cid's Language Mystic Knight (job) Final Bosses Ivalice Moogles Mixing Sci-fi and Fantasy Ultimate Weapons Final Fantasy IX Wacky Hair Fourth Wall Gilgamesh Matoya's Brooms Having a good feeling because this is the way The Laughing Scene Tidus being a whiny crybaby Shadow Airships Turks (organization) Monk (job) Bio (spell) Killing Chaos Maechen Edea Final Fantasy Wiki Gilgamesh Bahamut The kid who wants to grow up to be a blitzball I, Garland, will knock you all down! FFXIV's Free Trial Ondore's Lies Magicite Same Orphanage Evil Empires This Guy Are Sick Xenogears White Mage (job) Megaphones (weapon) Marche is the Villain Theory Dancing Mad Dinosaurs (enemy) Berserker (job) Kingdom Hearts (series) SMFFFC Ultima Shinra Stairs Rydia Kuja Final Fantasy XII Official FFIX Strategy Guide Yu Yevon Angelo (dog) Final Fantasy Tactics Advance Psycho Cyan Mukki Sword-chucks Dark Knight (job) Garnet becoming Dagger FF characters being phased out of KH --- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anagram 12/10/21 10:10:51 PM #429: |
Whatever Thief (job) Fellows (FFIII) Final Fantasy Commercials Sazh Katzroy: People champion Sazh as a great character, and he's not. He's just a guy. He's fine for what he is. He brings some kind of levity and heart to the group as the 'normal guy along for the ride.' The nearest comparison I can think of for him is Winston from Ghostbusters, where everyone else has a clear role to play in the movie, but Winston is just there. Also, this man is an airship engineer, why does he know how to fight? Cid at least is like an astronaut, they're super fit physically. The only real thing I remember about Sazh is an old Deviantart comic strip where Barret and Cloud see Sazh and Lightning, and Barret asks why Cloud's counterpart is a girl, and Cloud tells him to shut up, but I was like, Barret's counterpart in that game is clearly Snow, right? Other than being black guys with children, he has nothing in common with Sazh. B8 FF Music Contest Tidus Fantasy X OST Zidane/Garnet Relationship Veldt Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest music Ixion Ninja (job) Goblins Cloud and Barret being bi Final Fantasy Dissidia 1 Final Fantasy X-2 FF8 Game Over Screen Frocobo Gabranth Speedrunning Gil (currency) Final Fantasy IV: The After Years Colundo Boko (FFV): Poor Boko. He's worse than the black chocobo and the airship. He's the most famous chocobo in the series purely not because of any positive aspect he possesses, but just because he's the only important one. I guess, how do you characterize a horse? Because that's all chocobos are. Vanille Tidus being an awkward fool Frontier Village Dali (song) Summon Monsters Penance Serah Farron Warrior (job) Final Fantasy Split Party Dungeons FF7R PC being Epic exclusive: Who cares? It matters when it's console exclusive, but isn't EGS free? Bells (weapon) Squall is Dead Theory The Valkyrie (FFVIIR OST) Festival of the Hunt Ghido Sabin's WoB Segment Rikku's Older Brother Being Named Brother Gogo Dangerous Ariana Grande: I had to look this up. Ignoring the question of why you nominated only her catwoman costume and not Ariana Grande's appearances in general, can I just ask why she's even in Final Fantasy Brave Exvius at all? This is the second most random crossover ever, after FFXV and Cup Noodles. Yos***aka Amano X-Death vs ExDeath Roman Numerals instead of Arabic Numerals Terra vs Celes Umaro-type Characters Looking at you is making me sober Jump Rope Blinded by Light FF7 Game Over Screen Costa del Sol condo Mario Hoops 3-on-3 Ultimecia Wark vs Kweh Gambit System Final Fantasy XIV Ivalice Edge's Name Yasumi Matsuno FFVI Glitches Alexandria (city) Moogle Charm FFXIV's Financial Success Clops Dark Aeons Hildibrand gets chased and suplexed Ambiguously Pronounced Names: Who even is this? Tidus and Cecil? Everyone else has a clear pronounciation, at least from ancillary materials. I remember as a kid after Pokemon came out, every other kid called Haunter "hunter," and I was like "no guys it's Haunter, it has a U which changes the vowel and it's a ghost, which haunts things," and they just refused to say its name correctly. Flan Princess Gau's Gameplay Mechanics Gogo as Adlai Stevenson Theory Cast Size Shrinkage Since IX Moogles (general) FFVII CPR Minigame Final Fantasy Randomizers Smash Ultimate Sephiroth Reveal Irvines Hat Fat Chocobo Moomba Selphie-type Characters Saving healing items, but never using them Lightning Punching Snow Twice NORG Besaid Prayer The fact that my favorite thing about Final Fantasy is the name Yang's Wife Dilly dally shilly shally FFIX Fountain Tetra Master Zack Fair Prompto Argentum FFIII Final Dungeon Umaro The Car Hot Dogs FFIX Game Over Screen Argath's Name Change FFII's Keyword System Tetsuya Nomura Chocobo Hot and Cold Needlessly Long Summon Animations Cloud's Kingdom Hearts Outfit XI and XIV being MMOs Ramza's Nose in Dissidia Vaan's Abs FFX vs FFX-2 Blitzball Final Fantasy XV in a Nutshell Godbert Manderville Advent Children Church Scene with Ramza and Delita The Compilation of Final Fantasy VII Renaming Characters FFIX's Battle System Law System (FFTA) Final Fantasy III Brother wanting to bone his cousin FFIX Ability Learning Final Fantasy Dimensions Nominating something already ranked in the topic Racist Wakka FFXVI Trailer Sephiroth vs Vergil Death Battle Blame yourself or God Viera (race) Brave Exvius YuRiPa Square-Enix Merger Quina Final Fantasy II Level Grinding NORA Prerendered Cutscenes FFXV's Development Woes Auron's illegitimate daughter Zidane's Sexual Harassment Final Fantasy XIII Robopope Final Fantasy TCG FF6 Main Character Arguments Level Scaling Theatrhythm/Curtain Call Feral Chaos Luso's Sword Crazy Chocobo Shelinda FFX being the last good one Characters with names three letters or less Blue Mage Trailer (FFXIV) Materia (Dissidia NT) Hundreds of voices screaming in unison Moms are tough Luso's Oufit Losing your save file FFVII/FFX Combined Universe Theory Lightning Dodging --- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. 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LeonhartFour 12/10/21 10:12:45 PM #430: |
Defeating Dycedarg's Elder Brother --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png https://i.imgur.com/WqDcNNq.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anagram 12/10/21 10:19:43 PM #431: |
LeonhartFour posted... Defeating Dycedarg's Elder BrotherI already did FFT's translation. --- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeonhartFour 12/10/21 10:20:43 PM #432: |
wow using that as a catch-all for every great FFT line, I'm not sure how I feel about this --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png https://i.imgur.com/WqDcNNq.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Torlovsk 12/10/21 10:51:31 PM #433: |
Oerba Yun Fang ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZaziGuado 12/10/21 10:54:22 PM #434: |
Braska --- snowpork azuarc is OP. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Raka_Putra 12/10/21 11:00:20 PM #435: |
FF I magic system --- "So much love in his words." - RIP Stephen Sondheim, 1930-2021 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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handsomeboy2012 12/10/21 11:11:52 PM #436: |
FFVIIR PC bring priced at $70 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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redrocket 12/11/21 1:13:10 AM #437: |
Mog (FFVI) --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anagram 12/11/21 1:33:33 PM #438: |
He was brilliant... Perhaps too brilliant... Final Fantasy (name) Final Fantasy VII Aerith dies Blue Magic Spheres 8-Bit Theater Final Fantasy Tactics Auron Nobuo Uematsu Final Fantasy X Music Ramza Beoulve Delita Hyral Old Man Party Members Tifa Calculator/Mathematician Yuna's opinion on your plan Squall Midgar This is the way Final Fantasy VI Spell Suffixes Summon (Command) Tifa/Scarlet Slap Fight Tonberries Desperation Attacks Aerith Chocobos Algus/Miluda at Thieve's Fort Malboro IV's Rotating Party Hinonobu Sakaguchi Opera Scene Kilika Sending Scene Omnislash Suplexing a Train Blitzbomb Celes' Attempted Suicide Galuf's Last Stand Unique Game Logos Crystals R = U Theory Midgar Zolom Final Fantasy IV Yuna's Character Growth Final Fantasy I Final Fantasy VIII Lulu's Dress Ramza vs Wiegraf Duel Temporary Party Members So enthusiastic, and yet so stupid Cecil Harvey The Midgar Pizza Supernova l i t t l e m o n e y Jecht Cactaurs Slots (skill/limit break) Aerith vs Tifa FFX's Voice Acting Bravely Default One-Winged Angel Grenades (enemy) FFT's Original Translation Gold Saucer Dates Cloud and Tifa having sex under the Highwind Golbez Going to the Moon Yuna Final Fantasy V Gun Arms Dr. Cid World Maps Squall's Dreams Dressphere Designs FFT Spell Incantations Let's mosey Balthier Weather-themed Names Tidus/Yuna Relationship Imperial Banquet Locke Official Dressphere Spelling Kefka's Godhood Job Systems Gunblade Stay Away From the Summoner Lady Vincent Valentine Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Black Mage (job) Gold Saucer The Extreme Red Mage Card Games Dragoon (job) ATB Quistis Trepe Blitzball Victory Fanfare Cloud/Barret Date Edgar's Tools Cidolfus Orlandu Geomancer (job) Chemist (FFV) Mix (FFX) You Spoony Bard The chances of me playing FFVIIR Barret and Cid's Language Mystic Knight (job) Final Bosses Ivalice Moogles Mixing Sci-fi and Fantasy Ultimate Weapons Final Fantasy IX Wacky Hair Fourth Wall Gilgamesh Matoya's Brooms Having a good feeling because this is the way The Laughing Scene Tidus being a whiny crybaby Shadow Airships Turks (organization) Monk (job) Defeat Dycedarg's Elder Brother: A fantastic piece of bad translation. You understand what it's supposed to mean and how the translator, who was undoubtedly an overworked 45-year-old balding Japanese man who took English in high school and college but never really used it, screwed up. Dycedarg as a character is sort of whatever, I do like the idea of Ramza's idealism leading him to butt heads with his brother (a LUNE Knight, lol Japan), though. Bio (spell) Killing Chaos Maechen Edea Final Fantasy Wiki Gilgamesh Bahamut The kid who wants to grow up to be a blitzball I, Garland, will knock you all down! FFXIV's Free Trial Ondore's Lies Magicite Same Orphanage Evil Empires This Guy Are Sick Xenogears White Mage (job) Megaphones (weapon) Marche is the Villain Theory Dancing Mad Dinosaurs (enemy) Berserker (job) Kingdom Hearts (series) SMFFFC Ultima Shinra Stairs Rydia Kuja Final Fantasy XII Official FFIX Strategy Guide Yu Yevon Angelo (dog) Final Fantasy Tactics Advance Psycho Cyan Mukki Sword-chucks Dark Knight (job) Garnet becoming Dagger FF characters being phased out of KH Whatever Thief (job) Fellows (FFIII) Final Fantasy Commercials Sazh Katzroy B8 FF Music Contest Tidus Fantasy X OST Zidane/Garnet Relationship Veldt Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest music Ixion Ninja (job) Goblins Cloud and Barret being bi Final Fantasy Dissidia 1 Final Fantasy X-2 FF8 Game Over Screen Frocobo Gabranth Speedrunning Gil (currency) Final Fantasy IV: The After Years Colundo Braska: This character is completely uninteresting and not worth talking about. He serves his role as a former adventurer who died and as the man Yuna idolizes, but he's the definition of a background character. So, I'll instead talk about people who want an FFX prequel. First of all, it'll never happen now, because Square can't recycle assets from an old game. But why would you *want* it in the first place? You already know the entire story. There are zero possible plot twists or exciting events. And if one was added, it would surely just screw up the timeline, MGS interquel-style (hope I'm not ruffling any feathers among the MGSV crowd here). Boko (FFV) Vanille Tidus being an awkward fool Frontier Village Dali (song) Summon Monsters Penance Serah Farron Warrior (job) Final Fantasy Split Party Dungeons FF7R PC being Epic exclusive Bells (weapon) Squall is Dead Theory The Valkyrie (FFVIIR OST) Festival of the Hunt Ghido Sabin's WoB Segment Rikku's Older Brother Being Named Brother Gogo Dangerous Ariana Grande Yos***aka Amano X-Death vs ExDeath Roman Numerals instead of Arabic Numerals Terra vs Celes Umaro-type Characters --- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anagram 12/11/21 1:33:38 PM #439: |
Looking at you is making me sober Jump Rope Blinded by Light FF7 Game Over Screen Costa del Sol condo Mario Hoops 3-on-3 Ultimecia Wark vs Kweh Gambit System Final Fantasy XIV Ivalice Edge's Name Yasumi Matsuno FFVI Glitches Alexandria (city) Moogle Charm FFI Magic System: This isn't quite Vancian, which is why I didn't call it that. I think we can all agree that the MP system used in all other games is vastly superior. It gives much more tactical flexibility, it allows for more item and monster interactions with raising and draining it, and it's just overall a cleaner system. This and mind flayers are the two biggest indicators of what FFI's inspirations are. I acknowledge that it makes the game harder and adds a different type of strategy into the mix, but it also makes the game way less fun. In total honesty, even games that do use Vancian casting competently (like Baldur's Gate), I could still imagine them using MP instead and being better for it. FFXIV's Financial Success Clops Dark Aeons Hildibrand gets chased and suplexed Ambiguously Pronounced Names Flan Princess Gau's Gameplay Mechanics Gogo as Adlai Stevenson Theory Cast Size Shrinkage Since IX Moogles (general) FFVII CPR Minigame Final Fantasy Randomizers Smash Ultimate Sephiroth Reveal Irvines Hat Fat Chocobo Moomba Selphie-type Characters Saving healing items, but never using them Lightning Punching Snow Twice NORG Besaid Prayer The fact that my favorite thing about Final Fantasy is the name Yang's Wife Dilly dally shilly shally FFIX Fountain Tetra Master Zack Fair Prompto Argentum FFIII Final Dungeon Mog (FFVI): The most who cares character of all time. Geomancy is never reliable, and it's a random skill for him to have. Everyone else's skill at least makes some sense for them, but dancing terrain effects for Mog is just random. Barely a character in any case. Umaro Oerba Yun Fang: I remember four things about this character. One: her default paradigm is tank. Two: she uses a spear. Three: she's Australian. Four: she's in love with Vanille. I remember going around the surface of the planet, and Fang being like "yeah this is where we lived lol too bad it's destroyed," and we the audience just see one beaten-up town that looks abandoned, but not 'hundreds of years' abandoned. Then robopope shows up. Look, I wanted to like Fang, I think she has a good visual design, but I just don't. At least she gets the most memorable scene in the game, where she turns into a diamond at the end. I legitimately don't even remember why she and Vanille need to turn into diamonds at the end. The Car Hot Dogs FFIX Game Over Screen Argath's Name Change FFII's Keyword System Tetsuya Nomura Chocobo Hot and Cold Needlessly Long Summon Animations Cloud's Kingdom Hearts Outfit XI and XIV being MMOs Ramza's Nose in Dissidia Vaan's Abs FFX vs FFX-2 Blitzball Final Fantasy XV in a Nutshell Godbert Manderville Advent Children Church Scene with Ramza and Delita The Compilation of Final Fantasy VII Renaming Characters FFIX's Battle System Law System (FFTA) Final Fantasy III Brother wanting to bone his cousin FFIX Ability Learning Final Fantasy Dimensions Nominating something already ranked in the topic Racist Wakka FFXVI Trailer Sephiroth vs Vergil Death Battle Blame yourself or God Viera (race) Brave Exvius YuRiPa Square-Enix Merger Quina Final Fantasy II Level Grinding NORA Prerendered Cutscenes FFXV's Development Woes Auron's illegitimate daughter Zidane's Sexual Harassment Final Fantasy XIII Robopope Final Fantasy TCG FFVIIR PC's Pricetag: Not ideal, especially for a game that was released two years ago on consoles. Has that ever happened before? FF6 Main Character Arguments Level Scaling Theatrhythm/Curtain Call Feral Chaos Luso's Sword Crazy Chocobo Shelinda FFX being the last good one Characters with names three letters or less Blue Mage Trailer (FFXIV) Materia (Dissidia NT) Hundreds of voices screaming in unison Moms are tough Luso's Oufit Losing your save file FFVII/FFX Combined Universe Theory Lightning Dodging --- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_stingers_ 12/11/21 1:37:02 PM #440: |
hey uh i personally think that an ffx prequel would be dope --- Congrats Black Turtle! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leonhart4 12/11/21 1:46:33 PM #441: |
The Mog House minigame in FFVII --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB ... Copied to Clipboard!
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andylt 12/11/21 1:58:57 PM #442: |
I agree with Anagram about an X-0. Speaking of... Final Fantasy X -Will- (the audio drama) If you haven't experienced it... I'm sorry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK3EfCDbOF4 --- Slowly becoming a Final Fantasy aficionado. Recently beat: Final Fantasy XV ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mac Arrowny 12/11/21 2:14:52 PM #443: |
Anagram posted... FFVIIR PC's Pricetag: Not ideal, especially for a game that was released two years ago on consoles. Has that ever happened before? It does include the DLC so that's something at least I guess --- All the stars in the sky are waiting for you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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redrocket 12/11/21 2:25:13 PM #444: |
Terra --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Torlovsk 12/11/21 3:12:20 PM #445: |
Laguna Loire ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hbthebattle 12/11/21 5:30:58 PM #446: |
Firion --- Congrats to azuarc for winning the GotD Guru! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Raka_Putra 12/12/21 1:26:58 AM #447: |
MP system is much better and easier to understand as well. Lindblum --- "So much love in his words." - RIP Stephen Sondheim, 1930-2021 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anagram 12/12/21 2:11:25 AM #448: |
_stingers_ posted... hey uh i personally think that an ffx prequel would be dopeI just don't see what it could possibly do that would be useful, aside from showing us more of Bevelle! --- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_stingers_ 12/12/21 2:24:03 AM #449: |
hanging with jecht and auron sounds like a great use of my time --- Congrats Black Turtle! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZaziGuado 12/12/21 2:35:43 AM #450: |
I don't think you need a "twist" to tell a good story about Braska's pilgrimage and I would personally be excited to see how Braska experienced the locales and events as compared to Yuna. Plus, there's a lot of character backstory that can be filled in for all three guys. And yeah, being able to actually explore Bevelle would be huge. I agree it'll never happen, but to say there's nothing worthwhile there is a bonkers take to me. --- snowpork azuarc is OP. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leonhart4 12/12/21 8:23:32 AM #451: |
Yeah I don't really get the complaint of "we already know how it ends so what's the point" --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB ... Copied to Clipboard!
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