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masterplum 11/08/21 4:59:31 PM #302:	You guys seem to think propaganda is a bad thing --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:959815054] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>You guys seem to think propaganda is a bad thing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 11/08/21 5:01:42 PM #303:	masterplum posted... You guys seem to think propaganda is a bad thing You don't know what the word means huh --- Sir Chris <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:959815114] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>masterplum posted... </cite> <quote>You guys seem to think propaganda is a bad thing</quote> You don't know what the word means huh </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 11/08/21 5:02:26 PM #304:	masterplum posted... You guys seem to think propaganda is a bad thing propaganda is, by defintion, super biased and not necessarily in the public interest. big bird saying "vaccinations are good" is... not that. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:959815145] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>masterplum posted... </cite> <quote>You guys seem to think propaganda is a bad thing</quote> propaganda is, by defintion, super biased and not necessarily in the public interest. big bird saying "vaccinations are good" is... not that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 11/08/21 5:03:59 PM #305:	DoomTheGyarados posted... You don't know what the word means huh Propaganda is the dissemination of informationfacts, arguments, rumours, half-truths, or liesto influence public opinion. Deliberateness and a relatively heavy emphasis on manipulation distinguish propaganda from casual conversation or the free and easy exchange of ideas. That is exactly what it is. Dissemination of information to deliberately manipulate people --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:959815193] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted... </cite> <quote>You don't know what the word means huh</quote> Propaganda is the dissemination of informationfacts, arguments, rumours, half-truths, or liesto influence public opinion. Deliberateness and a relatively heavy emphasis on manipulation distinguish propaganda from casual conversation or the free and easy exchange of ideas. That is exactly what it is. Dissemination of information to deliberately manipulate people </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Forceful_Dragon 11/08/21 5:14:38 PM #306:	I'd rather have a muppet saying something that supports the information provided by scientists and medical professionals as opposed to "news" sources that cast doubt on science and spread fear and misinformation about the same thing. One of them is saving lives. The other is actually causing more people to die. IDGAF if you want to label it propaganda, even if I don't think that's an accurate term. --- ~C~ FD https://imgur.com/dGDfxaw <cite>Forceful_Dragon posted [p:959815475] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>I'd rather have a muppet saying something that supports the information provided by scientists and medical professionals as opposed to "news" sources that cast doubt on science and spread fear and misinformation about the same thing. One of them is saving lives. The other is actually causing more people to die. IDGAF if you want to label it propaganda, even if I don't think that's an accurate term. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 11/08/21 5:20:04 PM #307:	Technically PSAs are by definition propaganda. The term just is overwhelming only used in a negative context. So Plum's usage may be dictionary correct, but you would only use it that way to spark pointless debate. Edit: only for the propaganda part, I mean --- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:959815629] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>Technically PSAs are by definition propaganda. The term just is overwhelming only used in a negative context. So Plum's usage may be dictionary correct, but you would only use it that way to spark pointless debate. Edit: only for the propaganda part, I mean</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 11/08/21 5:21:11 PM #308:	masterplum posted... Big bird getting vaccinated literally is government propaganda. --- https://twitter.com/OocWTC/status/1348011667976699904?s=19 <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:959815650] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>masterplum posted... </cite> <quote>Big bird getting vaccinated literally is government propaganda.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xeybozn 11/08/21 5:26:05 PM #309:	Wait, are we sure Joe Biden isn't just Big Bird in disguise? I've never seen them in the same place at the same time. That pretty much proves that Big Bird is the government. --- Congrats to 2020 GotD Guru champ azuarc! <cite>Xeybozn posted [p:959815793] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>Wait, are we sure Joe Biden isn't just Big Bird in disguise? I've never seen them in the same place at the same time. That pretty much proves that Big Bird is the government.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 11/08/21 5:31:21 PM #310:	plum giving a peak demonstration of centrist gaslighting --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:959815955] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>plum giving a peak demonstration of centrist gaslighting </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 11/08/21 5:40:31 PM #311:	It's disingenuous to ignore the connotations that certain words have. Big Bird telling people to get vaccinated might or might not fit the dictionary definition of propaganda, but either way the term propaganda is ONLY ever used in a negative way. And frankly speaking, it's irresponsible to attach a term as loaded as Propaganda to a PSA about telling people to get vaccinated. --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:959816235] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>It's disingenuous to ignore the connotations that certain words have. Big Bird telling people to get vaccinated might or might not fit the dictionary definition of propaganda, but either way the term propaganda is ONLY ever used in a negative way. And frankly speaking, it's irresponsible to attach a term as loaded as Propaganda to a PSA about telling people to get vaccinated. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 11/08/21 5:43:59 PM #312:	KamikazePotato posted... And frankly speaking, it's irresponsible to attach a term as loaded as Propaganda to a PSA about telling people to get vaccinated. plus, again, it's not even a PSA. it's a tweet by big bird. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:959816342] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>KamikazePotato posted... </cite> <quote>And frankly speaking, it's irresponsible to attach a term as loaded as Propaganda to a PSA about telling people to get vaccinated.</quote> plus, again, it's not even a PSA. it's a tweet by big bird. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 11/08/21 5:54:37 PM #313:	Suprak the Stud posted... I think we're basically saying the same thing, except you are more optimistic on the nature of people than I am. I think that, no matter what the dems do, they lose here just because of the stupid nature of politics in the US and Americans in general. I agree it is a tactical failure, but not in the sense that it is causing them to lose seats which I think is inevitable just based on the cyclical nature of US politics. The tactical failure is not doing the greatest good they can because, no matter what they do, they're going to lose seats so they might as well do whatever they want. Yeah I'd say I'm less optimistic about people and more about democracy in a broad sense? In a specific sense hell no, I have little faith in the future of US democracy. But that's largely because Dems suck. From my perspective if you truly believe there's nothing Dems can do to avoid losing, democracy is already dead. I don't think we are there yet, and I think some things can still be saved, but the Democratic Party's refusal to do so and other tactical failures are just slowing the bleeding. We'll get there soon though. Basically, if it's true that people are selfish then it's utterly laughable how bad the Dems are at utilizing that for their own gain. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:959816664] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted... </cite> <quote> I think we're basically saying the same thing, except you are more optimistic on the nature of people than I am. I think that, no matter what the dems do, they lose here just because of the stupid nature of politics in the US and Americans in general. I agree it is a tactical failure, but not in the sense that it is causing them to lose seats which I think is inevitable just based on the cyclical nature of US politics. The tactical failure is not doing the greatest good they can because, no matter what they do, they're going to lose seats so they might as well do whatever they want.</quote> Yeah I'd say I'm less optimistic about people and more about democracy in a broad sense? In a specific sense hell no, I have little faith in the future of US democracy. But that's largely because Dems suck. From my perspective if you truly believe there's nothing Dems can do to avoid losing, democracy is already dead. I don't think we are there yet, and I think some things can still be saved, but the Democratic Party's refusal to do so and other tactical failures are just slowing the bleeding. We'll get there soon though. Basically, if it's true that people are selfish then it's utterly laughable how bad the Dems are at utilizing that for their own gain. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 11/08/21 6:14:03 PM #314:	Democrats are bad at advertising, but it's also significantly easier to advertise to Republicans. They barely even had to do anything to get people worked up about CRT. Fox News has already spent decades laying the groundwork for easy indoctrination. --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:959817210] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>Democrats are bad at advertising, but it's also significantly easier to advertise to Republicans. They barely even had to do anything to get people worked up about CRT. Fox News has already spent decades laying the groundwork for easy indoctrination. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 11/08/21 6:16:16 PM #315:	Democrats have to ground their advertising in facts. Republicans can make up whatever they want and ground their advertising in subtle racism. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:959817276] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>Democrats have to ground their advertising in facts. Republicans can make up whatever they want and ground their advertising in subtle racism. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 11/08/21 6:16:58 PM #316:	It's a party that's built their platform on keeping Americans nice and stupid. --- https://twitter.com/OocWTC/status/1348011667976699904?s=19 <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:959817299] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>It's a party that's built their platform on keeping Americans nice and stupid. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 11/08/21 6:29:17 PM #317:	GuessMyUserName posted... plum giving a peak demonstration of centrist gaslighting I support the propaganda! I'm just not ashamed to call a spade a spade. I assumed sesame street is government. If it's not it's not government obviously --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:959817662] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>GuessMyUserName posted... </cite> <quote>plum giving a peak demonstration of centrist gaslighting</quote> I support the propaganda! I'm just not ashamed to call a spade a spade. I assumed sesame street is government. If it's not it's not government obviously </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 11/08/21 6:32:33 PM #318:	I love how plum posts a definition and doesn't even read or comprehend all of it. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:959817761] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>I love how plum posts a definition and doesn't even read or comprehend all of it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 11/08/21 6:34:55 PM #319:	KamikazePotato posted... Democrats are bad at advertising, but it's also significantly easier to advertise to Republicans. They barely even had to do anything to get people worked up about CRT. Fox News has already spent decades laying the groundwork for easy indoctrination. red13n posted... Democrats have to ground their advertising in facts. Nah. The Democratic message for Joe was entirely Im gonna build back better and Republicans will become reasonable again, and literally none of that was/is true. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:959817827] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>KamikazePotato posted... </cite> <quote>Democrats are bad at advertising, but it's also significantly easier to advertise to Republicans. They barely even had to do anything to get people worked up about CRT. Fox News has already spent decades laying the groundwork for easy indoctrination.</quote> red13n posted... </cite> <quote>Democrats have to ground their advertising in facts. </quote> Nah. The Democratic message for Joe was entirely Im gonna build back better and Republicans will become reasonable again, and literally none of that was/is true. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 11/08/21 6:35:11 PM #320:	https://mobile.twitter.com/BigBird/status/1290014865030098945 wow, looks like big bird is also promoting roller skating propaganda --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:959817836] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>https://mobile.twitter.com/BigBird/status/1290014865030098945 wow, looks like big bird is also promoting roller skating propaganda </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 11/08/21 6:35:44 PM #321:	KamikazePotato posted... Democrats are bad at advertising, but it's also significantly easier to advertise to Republicans. They barely even had to do anything to get people worked up about CRT. Fox News has already spent decades laying the groundwork for easy indoctrination. Right, the Democrats not building their own highly effective propaganda machine is a tactical error. red13n posted... Democrats have to ground their advertising in facts. All politicians lie to voters all the time. We should at least demand lies that actually win elections! No part of our political system is pure. If Dems can't win playing clean and aren't allowed to play as dirty as their opponents what's even the point? --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:959817854] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>KamikazePotato posted... </cite> <quote>Democrats are bad at advertising, but it's also significantly easier to advertise to Republicans. They barely even had to do anything to get people worked up about CRT. Fox News has already spent decades laying the groundwork for easy indoctrination.</quote> Right, the Democrats not building their own highly effective propaganda machine is a tactical error. red13n posted... </cite> <quote>Democrats have to ground their advertising in facts. </quote> All politicians lie to voters all the time. We should at least demand lies that actually win elections! No part of our political system is pure. If Dems can't win playing clean and aren't allowed to play as dirty as their opponents what's even the point? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 11/08/21 6:36:44 PM #322:	Rittenhouse Trial done for the day This should never have gone to trial. They ruled that they could ask Grossguertz about that exchange but he denied everything, continued to deny everything, and the Defense just continued to shred any credibility he had before straight up asking him, "So you agree that Kyle Rittenhouse did not fire at you until after you put your arms down, advanced on him, and put a gun to his head?" And Grossguertz agreed. That should be it. This should be over. Completely asinine. They had a woman with a very unfortunate cadence speaking for ballistics that proved... Kyle shot the gun. No point. Another officer came up and then was just the most incompetent fucker, who outright said Kyle wasn't a threat and he just maced him to go away. And he continues to say he couldn't hear Kyle, but he thought he said someone was shot, but also said he wasn't listening to his orders. Our police officers, ladies and gentlemen. They brought on another reporter who outright said Kyle and his group weren't threatening at all and that Kyle didn't rush to any danger and he just asked people for medical help. I cannot believe the prosecution brought this guy on. They wanted him to say militia but he just... didn't. And then they brought on the detective who lord in heaven if you ever have a detective like this investigating something you should feel bad. It felt like an SNL skit where it was shady for the testimony and then on cross he just made him look like a complete imbecile, and they admitted to filing a complaint before they completed investigation, and he didn't look at any video footage on a computer he just said he watched it on his phone, and they purposefully went out of their way to not get Grossgaertz's phone, even though they knew he was recording it and they thought his statement didn't line up with what was said. And then walked him through everything like "Okay, so you clearly see that Kyle wasn't chasing anyone, right?" And pointing out that everyone else had attacked him, to just show they never should have filed this case. Suddenly the Prosecutor was very interested in objecting when it was his department's investigation coming into question. This is an indictment of the police system at this point. They fucked up so hard so many times and their investigation was so shady. They didn't have enough to make a case but still did. --- I stream sometimes. Check it out! www.twitch.tv/heroicbiz/ <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:959817884] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>Rittenhouse Trial done for the day This should never have gone to trial. They ruled that they could ask Grossguertz about that exchange but he denied everything, continued to deny everything, and the Defense just continued to shred any credibility he had before straight up asking him, "So you agree that Kyle Rittenhouse did not fire at you until after you put your arms down, advanced on him, and put a gun to his head?" And Grossguertz agreed. That should be it. This should be over. Completely asinine. They had a woman with a very unfortunate cadence speaking for ballistics that proved... Kyle shot the gun. No point. Another officer came up and then was just the most incompetent fucker, who outright said Kyle wasn't a threat and he just maced him to go away. And he continues to say he couldn't hear Kyle, but he thought he said someone was shot, but also said he wasn't listening to his orders. Our police officers, ladies and gentlemen. They brought on another reporter who outright said Kyle and his group weren't threatening at all and that Kyle didn't rush to any danger and he just asked people for medical help. I cannot believe the prosecution brought this guy on. They wanted him to say militia but he just... didn't. And then they brought on the detective who lord in heaven if you ever have a detective like this investigating something you should feel bad. It felt like an SNL skit where it was shady for the testimony and then on cross he just made him look like a complete imbecile, and they admitted to filing a complaint before they completed investigation, and he didn't look at any video footage on a computer he just said he watched it on his phone, and they purposefully went out of their way to not get Grossgaertz's phone, even though they knew he was recording it and they thought his statement didn't line up with what was said. And then walked him through everything like "Okay, so you clearly see that Kyle wasn't chasing anyone, right?" And pointing out that everyone else had attacked him, to just show they never should have filed this case. Suddenly the Prosecutor was very interested in objecting when it was his department's investigation coming into question. This is an indictment of the police system at this point. They fucked up so hard so many times and their investigation was so shady. They didn't have enough to make a case but still did. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 11/08/21 6:37:56 PM #323:	kevwaffles posted... you would only use it that way to spark pointless debate. Well --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:959817910] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>kevwaffles posted... </cite> <quote>you would only use it that way to spark pointless debate.</quote>Well </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 11/08/21 6:47:56 PM #324:	HeroDelTiempo17 posted... Right, the Democrats not building their own highly effective propaganda machine is a tactical error. All politicians lie to voters all the time. We should at least demand lies that actually win elections! No part of our political system is pure. If Dems can't win playing clean and aren't allowed to play as dirty as their opponents what's even the point? I think there's been scientific studies that show Democratic voters are not susceptible to propaganda in the same way that Republican voters are. If it was possible to build a highly effective propaganda machine, it would exist and would have worked by now (for example, the failed left-wing talk radio stations.) I think the problem is that there are two elections that Democrats need to worry about at any point. Yes, it sucks that when it comes to general elections, Dems messaging sucks and is uninspiring. However, in the primary, the majority of voters want the lie that the Democrats are going work with the Republicans (because the GOP ISN'T some suicidal cult that hates everything the Dems stand for) and be bipartisan and fair and moderate to get things done. The majority of Democratic voters want the party to NOT be the left-wing equivalent of the GOP. They don't want an extreme swing to the left, and they want to believe (misguidedly) that GOP voters are decent people at heart, and shouldn't be completely shut out of political discussions (in part because they don't like it when the GOP takes control and does exactly that to the Democrats). --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:959818147] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>HeroDelTiempo17 posted... </cite> <quote>Right, the Democrats not building their own highly effective propaganda machine is a tactical error. All politicians lie to voters all the time. We should at least demand lies that actually win elections! No part of our political system is pure. If Dems can't win playing clean and aren't allowed to play as dirty as their opponents what's even the point?</quote> I think there's been scientific studies that show Democratic voters are not susceptible to propaganda in the same way that Republican voters are. If it was possible to build a highly effective propaganda machine, it would exist and would have worked by now (for example, the failed left-wing talk radio stations.)I think the problem is that there are two elections that Democrats need to worry about at any point. Yes, it sucks that when it comes to general elections, Dems messaging sucks and is uninspiring. However, in the primary, the majority of voters want the lie that the Democrats are going work with the Republicans (because the GOP ISN'T some suicidal cult that hates everything the Dems stand for) and be bipartisan and fair and moderate to get things done. The majority of Democratic voters want the party to NOT be the left-wing equivalent of the GOP. They don't want an extreme swing to the left, and they want to believe (misguidedly) that GOP voters are decent people at heart, and shouldn't be completely shut out of political discussions (in part because they don't like it when the GOP takes control and does exactly that to the Democrats).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 11/08/21 6:48:12 PM #325:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... The Democratic message for Joe was entirely Im gonna build back better and Republicans will become reasonable again, and literally none of that was/is true. Grounded in facts doesnt mean everything is factual. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:959818161] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote> The Democratic message for Joe was entirely Im gonna build back better and Republicans will become reasonable again, and literally none of that was/is true.</quote> Grounded in facts doesnt mean everything is factual. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 11/08/21 7:02:01 PM #326:	red13n posted... Grounded in facts doesnt mean everything is factual. Joes Republicans will work with me was not grounded in facts, either. edit: lol I missed Invisos post where they literally say that while reasserting their thesis/refrain --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:959818592] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>red13n posted... </cite> <quote>Grounded in facts doesnt mean everything is factual.</quote> Joes Republicans will work with me was not grounded in facts, either. edit: lol I missed Invisos post where they literally say that while reasserting their thesis/refrain </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 11/08/21 7:04:07 PM #327:	Mr Lasastryke posted... https://mobile.twitter.com/BigBird/status/1290014865030098945 wow, looks like big bird is also promoting roller skating propaganda Yeahhhh Roll Em Up Big Bird! --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:959818657] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>Mr Lasastryke posted... </cite> <quote>https://mobile.twitter.com/BigBird/status/1290014865030098945 wow, looks like big bird is also promoting roller skating propaganda</quote> Yeahhhh Roll Em Up Big Bird! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 11/08/21 7:05:14 PM #328:	https://twitter.com/jasonscampbell/status/1457835361812496395?s=21 this is positively infuriating as a person who, while young, lived through this era and saw what happened --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:959818691] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/jasonscampbell/status/1457835361812496395?s=21 this is positively infuriating as a person who, while young, lived through this era and saw what happened </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 11/08/21 7:06:30 PM #329:	jfc --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:959818728] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>jfc </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 11/08/21 7:07:12 PM #330:	Jakyl25 posted... https://twitter.com/jasonscampbell/status/1457835361812496395?s=21 this is positively infuriating as a person who, while young, lived through this era and saw what happened What the hell --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:959818754] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/jasonscampbell/status/1457835361812496395?s=21 this is positively infuriating as a person who, while young, lived through this era and saw what happened</quote> What the hell </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrinceKaro 11/08/21 7:15:28 PM #331:	Jakyl25 posted... https://twitter.com/jasonscampbell/status/1457835361812496395?s=21 this is positively infuriating as a person who, while young, lived through this era and saw what happened Fuck you Newsmax. Just, fuck you. --- https://i.imgtc.com/a6iBg1Y.jpg Congrats to azuarc* on being really good at predicting stuff* <cite>PrinceKaro posted [p:959819010] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/jasonscampbell/status/1457835361812496395?s=21 this is positively infuriating as a person who, while young, lived through this era and saw what happened</quote> Fuck you Newsmax. Just, fuck you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 11/08/21 7:19:47 PM #332:	Jakyl25 posted... https://twitter.com/jasonscampbell/status/1457835361812496395?s=21 this is positively infuriating as a person who, while young, lived through this era and saw what happened I would laugh if I weren't too busy vomiting --- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:959819153] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/jasonscampbell/status/1457835361812496395?s=21 this is positively infuriating as a person who, while young, lived through this era and saw what happened </quote> I would laugh if I weren't too busy vomiting</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 11/08/21 7:19:52 PM #333:	Inviso posted... 1. I think there's been scientific studies that show Democratic voters are not susceptible to propaganda in the same way that Republican voters are. If it was possible to build a highly effective propaganda machine, it would exist and would have worked by now (for example, the failed left-wing talk radio stations.) 2. I think the problem is that there are two elections that Democrats need to worry about at any point. Yes, it sucks that when it comes to general elections, Dems messaging sucks and is uninspiring. However, in the primary, the majority of voters want the lie that the Democrats are going work with the Republicans (because the GOP ISN'T some suicidal cult that hates everything the Dems stand for) and be bipartisan and fair and moderate to get things done. The majority of Democratic voters want the party to NOT be the left-wing equivalent of the GOP. They don't want an extreme swing to the left, and they want to believe (misguidedly) that GOP voters are decent people at heart, and shouldn't be completely shut out of political discussions (in part because they don't like it when the GOP takes control and does exactly that to the Democrats). Ok, but these points just lead me back to what I don't understand about the defeatist mindset. If the goal is to stop the GOP from attaining power, but Dems can't win by playing fair OR playing dirty, what's the point of the party? What value are we assigning to Democrats and democracy this way? Maybe this comes across as cynical, but Democrats merely being corrupt and incompetent is less depressing to me than them being helplessly doomed. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:959819157] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>Inviso posted... </cite> <quote>1. I think there's been scientific studies that show Democratic voters are not susceptible to propaganda in the same way that Republican voters are. If it was possible to build a highly effective propaganda machine, it would exist and would have worked by now (for example, the failed left-wing talk radio stations.) 2. I think the problem is that there are two elections that Democrats need to worry about at any point. Yes, it sucks that when it comes to general elections, Dems messaging sucks and is uninspiring. However, in the primary, the majority of voters want the lie that the Democrats are going work with the Republicans (because the GOP ISN'T some suicidal cult that hates everything the Dems stand for) and be bipartisan and fair and moderate to get things done. The majority of Democratic voters want the party to NOT be the left-wing equivalent of the GOP. They don't want an extreme swing to the left, and they want to believe (misguidedly) that GOP voters are decent people at heart, and shouldn't be completely shut out of political discussions (in part because they don't like it when the GOP takes control and does exactly that to the Democrats).</quote> Ok, but these points just lead me back to what I don't understand about the defeatist mindset. If the goal is to stop the GOP from attaining power, but Dems can't win by playing fair OR playing dirty, what's the point of the party? What value are we assigning to Democrats and democracy this way? Maybe this comes across as cynical, but Democrats merely being corrupt and incompetent is less depressing to me than them being helplessly doomed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroicCrono 11/08/21 7:23:15 PM #334:	The Democratic Party exists to stop the Republican Party. The Republican Party exists to stop the Democratic Party. This is our system of checks and balances. --- This is Red Sox 777 on a mobile phone. <cite>HeroicCrono posted [p:959819242] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>The Democratic Party exists to stop the Republican Party. The Republican Party exists to stop the Democratic Party. This is our system of checks and balances. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 11/08/21 8:06:20 PM #335:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Joes Republicans will work with me was not grounded in facts, either. If we're being entirely fair, this isn't true. Well, okay when Biden said it it absolutely had no basis to justify saying it, but this is something that Biden has actually, genuinely delivered on... kinda? Infrastructure has been something that presidential administrations and Congresses have been saying they want to do for decades now. It became a running joke during the Trump administration and they had bigger majorities during his trifecta and he, as well as all the others before him, completely failed to get it done. Biden actually got a $1.2t bill passed, through regular order, with GOP votes in both chambers. Now, I will qualify this that I think I speak for everyone in this topic when I say the package did not go far enough and that securing those GOP votes required cutting out a lot of things the left would have wanted by going the two bill route/splitting it off into the reconciliation bill which is in genuine peril at the moment as well as a prop to hold up by those who want to preserve the filibuster and halt any meaningful progress by saying "Hey look, the Senate still works!" and so this accomplishment was kind of a cursed monkey's paw in that sense but objectively speaking BIF would be a topline achievement for basically any administration in the past few decades, even gutted as it was. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:959820401] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>Joes Republicans will work with me was not grounded in facts, either.</quote>If we're being entirely fair, this isn't true. Well, okay when Biden said it it absolutely had no basis to justify saying it, but this is something that Biden has actually, genuinely delivered on... kinda? Infrastructure has been something that presidential administrations and Congresses have been saying they want to do for decades now. It became a running joke during the Trump administration and they had bigger majorities during his trifecta and he, as well as all the others before him, completely failed to get it done. Biden actually got a $1.2t bill passed, through regular order, with GOP votes in both chambers. Now, I will qualify this that I think I speak for everyone in this topic when I say the package did not go far enough and that securing those GOP votes required cutting out a lot of things the left would have wanted by going the two bill route/splitting it off into the reconciliation bill which is in genuine peril at the moment as well as a prop to hold up by those who want to preserve the filibuster and halt any meaningful progress by saying "Hey look, the Senate still works!" and so this accomplishment was kind of a cursed monkey's paw in that sense but objectively speaking BIF would be a topline achievement for basically any administration in the past few decades, even gutted as it was. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 11/08/21 8:31:39 PM #336:	Inviso posted... 1. I think there's been scientific studies that show Democratic voters are not susceptible to propaganda in the same way that Republican voters are. I'll do you one better: left-wing and right-wing brains literally function differently. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/liberals-and-conservatives-assess-risk-differently-021313 https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/conservative-and-liberal-brains-might-have-some-real-differences/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3572122/ The takeaways: Liberals show a higher level of activity in the left insula, a portion of the brain associated with self-awareness, social cues, addiction, emotional processing, empathy, and even orgasms. Conservatives, on the other hand, tend to weigh risk in the right amygdala, an area of the brain that aids in survival, including reacting to violations of personal space and controlling social interaction, fear, and aggression. On the whole, the research shows, conservatives desire security, predictability and authority more than liberals do, and liberals are more comfortable with novelty, nuance and complexity. This data provides evidence that Democrats and Republicans use different cognitive processes when they think about risk. In fact, the researchers say that the brain activity in these two regions alone could predict whether a person is a Democrat or a Republican with 82.9 percent accuracy more accurate than using a model based on the political affiliations of an individuals parents, which is only accurate about 69.5 percent of the time. Propaganda will never work the same way it does on left-leaning people as it does on right-leaning people. The capacity to get worked into a frenzy by any random piece of news is predominantly a right-wing trait. --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:959821052] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>Inviso posted... </cite> <quote>1. I think there's been scientific studies that show Democratic voters are not susceptible to propaganda in the same way that Republican voters are.</quote> I'll do you one better: left-wing and right-wing brains literally function differently. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/liberals-and-conservatives-assess-risk-differently-021313 https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/conservative-and-liberal-brains-might-have-some-real-differences/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3572122/ The takeaways: <quote>Liberals show a higher level of activity in the left insula, a portion of the brain associated with self-awareness, social cues, addiction, emotional processing, empathy, and even orgasms. Conservatives, on the other hand, tend to weigh risk in the right amygdala, an area of the brain that aids in survival, including reacting to violations of personal space and controlling social interaction, fear, and aggression. On the whole, the research shows, conservatives desire security, predictability and authority more than liberals do, and liberals are more comfortable with novelty, nuance and complexity.</quote> <quote>This data provides evidence that Democrats and Republicans use different cognitive processes when they think about risk. In fact, the researchers say that the brain activity in these two regions alone could predict whether a person is a Democrat or a Republican with 82.9 percent accuracy more accurate than using a model based on the political affiliations of an individuals parents, which is only accurate about 69.5 percent of the time.</quote> Propaganda will never work the same way it does on left-leaning people as it does on right-leaning people. The capacity to get worked into a frenzy by any random piece of news is predominantly a right-wing trait. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 11/08/21 9:17:12 PM #337:	https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1457829352813498371 Totally normal and respectable act by a congressman I'm sure. --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:959822318] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1457829352813498371 Totally normal and respectable act by a congressman I'm sure. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 11/08/21 9:27:04 PM #338:	it's crazy to remember the ads where Paul's own family tore into him, only to see Paul rise on top --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:959822582] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>it's crazy to remember the ads where Paul's own family tore into him, only to see Paul rise on top </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 11/08/21 9:31:23 PM #339:	For those who didn't click through, that tweet fails to specify exactly...WHAT he posted. https://twitter.com/RepGosar/status/1457493879003963398 --- https://twitter.com/OocWTC/status/1348011667976699904?s=19 <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:959822698] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>For those who didn't click through, that tweet fails to specify exactly...WHAT he posted. https://twitter.com/RepGosar/status/1457493879003963398 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 11/08/21 9:33:29 PM #340:	why do anime fans I like how Gosar restricts comments to follows-only --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:959822742] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>why do anime fans I like how Gosar restricts comments to follows-only </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 11/08/21 10:05:18 PM #341:	Any anime fans out there? is an amazing tweet without the video attached to it. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:959823563] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>Any anime fans out there? is an amazing tweet without the video attached to it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 11/08/21 10:10:46 PM #342:	I recommend looking at all of these. https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457775778603540487 https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457778566284726273 https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457780692658503685 https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457782500390891524 https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457784428462153730 https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457785356821032967 https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457787561003212807 https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457788114022264834 --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:959823708] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>I recommend looking at all of these. https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457775778603540487 https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457778566284726273 https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457780692658503685 https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457782500390891524 https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457784428462153730 https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457785356821032967 https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457787561003212807 https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457788114022264834 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 11/08/21 10:15:48 PM #343:	KamikazePotato posted... I recommend looking at all of these. You want people to be depressed? --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:959823866] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>KamikazePotato posted... </cite> <quote>I recommend looking at all of these.</quote> You want people to be depressed? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 11/08/21 10:19:00 PM #344:	KamikazePotato posted... I recommend looking at all of these. https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457775778603540487 https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457778566284726273 https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457780692658503685 https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457782500390891524 https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457784428462153730 https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457785356821032967 https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457787561003212807 https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457788114022264834 Tracks pretty closely with what exit polls show, too. https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457785356821032967 How incredibly depressing. Exactly what I mean when I say some very smart people on the left give voters too much credit. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:959823940] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>KamikazePotato posted... </cite> <quote>I recommend looking at all of these. https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457775778603540487 https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457778566284726273 https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457780692658503685 https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457782500390891524 https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457784428462153730 https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457785356821032967 https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457787561003212807 https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457788114022264834</quote> Tracks pretty closely with what exit polls show, too. <quote> https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457785356821032967 </quote> How incredibly depressing. Exactly what I mean when I say some very smart people on the left give voters too much credit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 11/08/21 10:26:23 PM #345:	[just highlighting of the tweets posted] https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457785356821032967 https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457782500390891524 these two pairs in particular, double facepalm sighing in despair rn --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:959824119] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>[just highlighting of the tweets posted] https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457785356821032967 https://twitter.com/dannybarefoot/status/1457782500390891524 these two pairs in particular, double facepalm sighing in despair rn </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 11/08/21 10:27:30 PM #346:	We are forever trapped because gas prices are literally the GOP boogeyman. People having more money in pocket means more travel demand which means the economy is going well and people have money to spend and jobs to get to. Also because people are fucking morons. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:959824145] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>We are forever trapped because gas prices are literally the GOP boogeyman. People having more money in pocket means more travel demand which means the economy is going well and people have money to spend and jobs to get to. Also because people are fucking morons. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Forceful_Dragon 11/08/21 10:39:04 PM #347:	red13n posted... We are forever trapped because gas prices are literally the GOP boogeyman. People having more money in pocket means more travel demand which means the economy is going well and people have money to spend and jobs to get to. Also because people are fucking morons. lol and we get that double in california because republicans are saying "california democrats want to charge you per mile now too!" And they (republicans) are eating that crap up. They don't any of them realize that the current (very early test phase pilot program) to rollout a per mile tax on vehicle usage would be *instead of* the tax on gas if it makes it to full adoption and not in addition to them. And that this will actually BENEFIT people who drive more if it's set correctly because currently their gas fees aren't in the best place because they are subsidizing drivers with hybrid and electric cars who are causing just as much wear on the roads without the corresponding fee for road maintenance. But why bother to learn any of that when you can just be ignorantly upset instead. --- ~C~ FD https://imgur.com/dGDfxaw <cite>Forceful_Dragon posted [p:959824415] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>red13n posted... </cite> <quote>We are forever trapped because gas prices are literally the GOP boogeyman. People having more money in pocket means more travel demand which means the economy is going well and people have money to spend and jobs to get to. Also because people are fucking morons.</quote> lol and we get that double in california because republicans are saying "california democrats want to charge you per mile now too!" And they (republicans) are eating that crap up. They don't any of them realize that the current (very early test phase pilot program) to rollout a per mile tax on vehicle usage would be instead of the tax on gas if it makes it to full adoption and not in addition to them. And that this will actually BENEFIT people who drive more if it's set correctly because currently their gas fees aren't in the best place because they are subsidizing drivers with hybrid and electric cars who are causing just as much wear on the roads without the corresponding fee for road maintenance. But why bother to learn any of that when you can just be ignorantly upset instead. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Seanchan 11/08/21 11:05:03 PM #348:	Forceful_Dragon posted... But why bother to learn ~~(any of that)~~ when you can just be ignorantly upset instead. It's the American way! --- "That was unnecessarily dramatic". - NY Mets motto (courtesy of InnerTubeHero) Congratulations to azuarc, the guru of gurus and winner of GotD 2020! <cite>Seanchan posted [p:959825124] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>Forceful_Dragon posted... </cite> <quote>But why bother to learn (any of that) when you can just be ignorantly upset instead.</quote> It's the American way! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 11/08/21 11:54:56 PM #349:	Those tweets were very interesting. What really stood out to me is Americans would rather have people die than go bankrupt trying to find day care. Thats just factual. Democrats refused to acknowledge that is what the average American preferred. Democrats really screwed up by being idealistic, which honestly is the criticism of the democrat party for the last 50 years. --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:959826457] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>Those tweets were very interesting. What really stood out to me is Americans would rather have people die than go bankrupt trying to find day care. Thats just factual. Democrats refused to acknowledge that is what the average American preferred. Democrats really screwed up by being idealistic, which honestly is the criticism of the democrat party for the last 50 years. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 11/09/21 12:08:02 AM #350:	Boy it's almost as if the left wanted to put together universal daycare programs so parents don't HAVE to choose between potentially killing their kids and going bankrupt. But yeah, study after study shows that people do not vote on policy. If policy matter, like I said before poor urban black people and poor rural white people would be voting the exact same way. Basically, people want universal Healthcare but only if a Republican puts it in place. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:959826718] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>Boy it's almost as if the left wanted to put together universal daycare programs so parents don't HAVE to choose between potentially killing their kids and going bankrupt. But yeah, study after study shows that people do not vote on policy. If policy matter, like I said before poor urban black people and poor rural white people would be voting the exact same way. Basically, people want universal Healthcare but only if a Republican puts it in place. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dancedreamer 11/09/21 12:19:16 AM #351:	If school is like daycare, we should start paying teachers like babysitters. Let's say the going rate is $10/kid per hour (If you find a babysitter willing to do it for less, you probably shouldn't trust them with your kid. And good luck finding daycare that cheap!) Each teacher has at least 16 students (That's a low ball number) Let's say they teach 6 hours a day 180 days a year (or so) So $172k/year sounds about right! --- This isn't funny Dean, the voice says I'm almost out of minutes! ~Alexandra <cite>Dancedreamer posted [p:959826966] in Politics C... [t:79732628]...</cite> <quote>If school is like daycare, we should start paying teachers like babysitters. Let's say the going rate is $10/kid per hour (If you find a babysitter willing to do it for less, you probably shouldn't trust them with your kid. And good luck finding daycare that cheap!) Each teacher has at least 16 students (That's a low ball number) Let's say they teach 6 hours a day 180 days a year (or so) So $172k/year sounds about right! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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