Board 8 > Just found out Purugly isn't dark type...

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This is blowing my mind. I thought it was dark type this entire time. It's just normal. I haven't been super into Pokmon the past couple of years(Have about 50 hours on Sword), but the 4th generation is probably my most played generation of games with thousands of hours into that generation.

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Lots of things don't make sense in Pokemon. Don't think too much about it. Gengar not being Dark is also mind-blowing

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That's not too mindblowing because dark type didn't exist when they made Gengar.

Purugly looks normal too me. In general though, types makes less sense in recent generations where they seem more focused on making the typing cool than have them fit the design sometimes.

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ctesjbuvf posted...

In general though, types makes less sense in recent generations where they seem more focused on making the typing cool than have them fit the design sometimes.

Can you give an example of this? I'm having trouble thinking of anything.

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A few that come to mind are Zacian somehow not being the fighting type (fairy seems quite random), Pinchurrin not being water, Cufant being steel instead of normal, Applin line being dragon. Dragon in particular tends to be a bit random. Ponyta being psychic before fairy. And that normal type is not at all the most normal anyone.

I don't mind though.

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Zacian is fairy because it's "graceful" compared to Zamazenta which is an aggressive fighter

Makes sense to me especially since Zacian is the shield and Zam is the sword

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I think Purugly's color scheme is what threw me off here. I never went out of the way to use one. And its color scheme is mostly tends to reflect dark/ghost/poison types. Glameow being with team galactic along with skunky, with stunky actually being a dark type is probably what got me here

I had no reason to assume otherwise because I used fighting moves every time and that's obviously very effective against normal types too.

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Oh I thought purugly made more sense as a dark type

One of the Galactic commanders even uses it

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ctesjbuvf posted...

Applin line being dragon.

This is one I agree with, for the most part. Does it need to be dragon? I have no idea, but it did surprise me once I found out.

I probably would be having the same reaction here with Purugly, if I found out Applin was part dragon 15 years later of playing the same series.

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ctesjbuvf posted...

Cufant being steel instead of normal

The Pokemon made of copper (and named after it) which evolves into a larger copper one (which is also named after it) shouldn't be Steel type?

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Applin is great because it's a wyrm in the apple.

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-hotdogturtle-- posted...

The Pokemon made of copper (and named after it) which evolves into a larger copper one (which is also named after it) shouldn't be Steel type?

do you... do you know what steel is?

smh

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Surely steel type is effectively just metal. Like how grass type isn't all stuff based on actual grass.

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mnkboy907 posted...

Applin is great because it's a wyrm in the apple.

This. Makes sense to me!

Grapploct being pure Fighting and not Water/Fighting is one of the more egregious examples of weird typings I can think of.

And for me personally I've always thought Bellossom should have become Grass/Fairy with the introduction of Fairy type.

XIII_rocks posted...

Zacian is fairy because it's "graceful" compared to Zamazenta which is an aggressive fighter

Makes sense to me especially since Zacian is the shield and Zam is the sword

Logic's sounds, but you've got the dogs mixed up, Zacian is the sword, Zam is the sheild. I guess you could argue that Zam is steel because the shield part of it is part of its body, whereas Zacian just holds the sword in its mouth.

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They're both steel type. I guess hitting stuff with your shield body is more martial arts like?

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So they are! Man, I even checked before posting too.

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Klefki is a fairy that likes to pick up stray keys. Zacian is a fairy that likes to pick up stray swords. The consistency checks out.

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JackMan posted...

Logic's sounds, but you've got the dogs mixed up, Zacian is the sword, Zam is the sheild. I guess you could argue that Zam is steel because the shield part of it is part of its body, whereas Zacian just holds the sword in its mouth.

Oh yeah, my bad

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ctesjbuvf posted...

That's not too mindblowing because dark type didn't exist when they made Gengar.

Steel type didn't exist when Magneton was made, yet that didn't stop them from adding it...

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Johnny Eagle posted...

Steel type didn't exist when Magneton was made, yet that didn't stop them from adding it...

Yea, the real reason they didnt retcon Gengar was they feared itd make him too strong. They actually removed his Levitate ability, which is a dick move

I dont think we can beat the wtfness that is Alolan Exeggutor. Hes a dragon.. why?

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Johnny Eagle posted...

Steel type didn't exist when Magneton was made, yet that didn't stop them from adding it...

Yeah, but Magneton only had one type, whereas Gengar already had two. It's probably less egregious to add a type than it is to change one.

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barreldragon88 posted...

Yea, the real reason they didnt retcon Gengar was they feared itd make him too strong. They actually removed his Levitate ability, which is a dick move

I dont think we can beat the wtfness that is Alolan Exeggutor. Hes a dragon.. why?

dragonfruit

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Gastly is literally made of gas, it feels very deliberate that the line is poison instead of dark.

I guess they could have done a switch to dark just for Gengar, but... why? Whatever is dark about Gengar is represented fine with the Ghost type.


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StealThisSheen posted...

Yeah, but Magneton only had one type, whereas Gengar already had two. It's probably less egregious to add a type than it is to change one.

Clefairy got completely changed from normal to fairy when the latter was added, unlike Jigglypuff, which just had the fairy added to its normal typing.

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StealThisSheen posted...

Can you give an example of this? I'm having trouble thinking of anything.

This has come up in my mind before, and Bisharp has been a thought of this for a decade now.

But I do agree with some pokemon, if given a picture, you'd have no way of guessing that Cufant is Steel and not, say, Grass/Ground.

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And I wish there were less afraid of doing retcon overhauls. Weaken them if you have to but make single stage mega evolutions and (shrunken) gigantamaxes (Mawile, Sableye, Kangaskhan, Lapras) into regular evolutions. They obviously want Gyarados to be Dark and Charizard to be Dragon, just do it. Onix has less physical attack than a Joltik, Ledian is supposed to punch things but is weaker than an that! Rearrange some stats. No one's stopping them but themselves (and the false idea that they "cant").

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JonThePenguin posted...

Clefairy got completely changed from normal to fairy when the latter was added, unlike Jigglypuff, which just had the fairy added to its normal typing.

Fair enough, though like somebody said, the Gengar line is very much based on gas/poison, so changing it wouldn't have made nearly as much sense as Clefairy.

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I don't think GameFreak was too opposed to a Ghost/Dark type in Gen 2, given that Norowara was going to be Ghost/Dark (and Misdreavus initially kept that typing when it replaced it, as recently as 3 months before the game came out). But as has been said, Gengar's line is based off of gas, so they likely never considered changing it to part Dark.

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JonThePenguin posted...

Clefairy got completely changed from normal to fairy when the latter was added, unlike Jigglypuff, which just had the fairy added to its normal typing.

Normal type also represents Sound, which is very important to Jigglypuff

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GTM posted...

This has come up in my mind before, and Bisharp has been a thought of this for a decade now.

How is Bisharp anything other than Dark/Steel?

GTM posted...

And I wish there were less afraid of doing retcon overhauls. Weaken them if you have to but make single stage mega evolutions and (shrunken) gigantamaxes (Mawile, Sableye, Kangaskhan, Lapras) into regular evolutions. They obviously want Gyarados to be Dark and Charizard to be Dragon, just do it. Onix has less physical attack than a Joltik, Ledian is supposed to punch things but is weaker than an that! Rearrange some stats. No one's stopping them but themselves (and the false idea that they "cant").

The problem with doing is that you essentially make a hard cut with past gens. What happens if I trade a Gyarados from the previous gen over to the next gen?

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Bisharp looks fighting more than dark.

Grapploct is a perfect example too.

Johnny Eagle posted...

Steel type didn't exist when Magneton was made, yet that didn't stop them from adding it...

Yeah, but no typing was removed. I know gen 6 did that but it had never been done before, they clearly changed stance on changing types.

XIII_rocks posted...

Zacian is fairy because it's "graceful" compared to Zamazenta which is an aggressive fighter

Makes sense to me especially since Zacian is the shield and Zam is the sword

Haha, given that you have them mixed up, I'd like to rest my case.

-hotdogturtle-- posted...

The Pokemon made of copper (and named after it) which evolves into a larger copper one (which is also named after it) shouldn't be Steel type?

Sure, but we were talking about just design. Literally no one guessed pure Steel when we saw it first time.

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Was surprised Luxray was electric only.
Thought it would be dual and have a dark type

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voltch posted...

Was surprised Luxray was electric only.
Thought it would be dual and have a dark type

This always struck me as a last-minute decision. It looks like a dark type and learns Crunch, and when you double battle Volkner and Flint, they use counterparts of each other's Pokemon (Electivire/Magmortar, Flareon/Jolteon). Flint uses Houndoom and Volkner uses Luxray. Luxray not being dark-type kind of ruins the symmetry there.

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RyoCaliente posted...

What happens if I trade a Gyarados from the previous gen over to the next gen?

It turns into a water dark type, since that's the type it is in this game. If for some reason it's able to be traded back, then it will be water flying in those games.

And even if there's no logical thing to do, they just have to make a decision on how to handle it and do it, they have done plenty of things that don't seem to make sense and it hasn't stopped them from implementing it.

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And what I'm seeing here is that dark is a type that no one can tell which pokrmon has and which pokemon hasn't.

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I associate Purugly with other Normal-type cat evo lines that i never use from earlier gens e.g. Meowth, Skitty
had this problem when Purlloin bucked the trend and became a dark type tho, kept on thinking it was a normal type.

RyoCaliente posted...

How is Bisharp anything other than Dark/Steel?

The problem with doing is that you essentially make a hard cut with past gens. What happens if I trade a Gyarados from the previous gen over to the next gen?

There's no problem there since Pokemon haven't been able to move backwards in generations since Gen II. The aggregate apps like Home and Box will make the necessary changes for any old Pokemon that need to catch up to their current status quo, like Box changing Clefairy from Normal to Fairy when you transfer it from the VC Gameboy games into Gen VII.

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It's particularly hard to tell pure ghost from ghost/dark.

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There are actually only two ghost/dark types but basically every pure ghost type line seems like it could be that typing.

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Weird, I think I also thought Purugly was dark? But I don't really remember because I don't give a shit about Purugly.

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Though some pokemon confuse me with their dual typing cos they look like they could have 3.
Like Lugia not being a water type.
Feels like if it was created today they would just give it Water/Psychic with Levitate instead of Flying/Psychic.

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Did anyone ever figure out why every Grass type was also Poison in Gen I? Or any compelling theories about game balance?

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pjbasis posted...

Did anyone ever figure out why every Grass type was also Poison in Gen I? Or any compelling theories about game balance?

Or why Tangela was the exception?

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Gen I was just Poison overkill in general. It has as many Poison types as Gens II-VII have all combined.

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Yeah till this day, the zubat line is still the only Poison/Flying line. I'm pretty sure anyway.

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voltch posted...

Though some pokemon confuse me with their dual typing cos they look like they could have 3.
Like Lugia not being a water type.
Feels like if it was created today they would just give it Water/Psychic with Levitate instead of Flying/Psychic.

Drapion, Flygon, and Solrock are pretty bad about this too.

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I think it was just a quirk from Venusaur/Vileplume being based off the same flower and Victreebel spitting acid

now whats the difference between rock and rock/ground

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Doesn't 'Dark' type mean 'Evil' or something in Japan? I figured that's why there's confusion for that one in particular, in English it's thought of as similar to ghost or anything black, but in Japan it's tied to some moral idea instead.

...Having said that, I still don't get why Giratina is part Ghost instead of part Dark >_>

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GTM posted...

now whats the difference between rock and rock/ground

Looking at the list of pure-rocks vs rock/grounds, my best guess is that rock/grounds actually look like something you would find buried in the earth (Geodude line, Larvitar line) while pure rock types are creatures that happen to be made of rock. The Rhyhorn line is ground/rock and that seems to fit. It seems like a ground-type creature, but obviously has a rock body.

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