Board 8 > NFL Discussion Topic - Week 1

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Goff was definitely not 100% healthy

the other guy got injured though so he had to go in

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Honestly think Ben at this point in his career would be a push compared to Bridgewater

wait never mind his stats were a lot better than I expected

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Maniac64 posted...

I havent watched much of Teddy but I was definitely never impressed by Mitch and would consider him similar to Lock.

Trubisky was undermined by his situation. He's not great, but he's better than Lock.

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lions going all in on the analytics

cut every kicker on the roster

https://twitter.com/minakimes/status/1432814557500637185

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Campbell is basically just Ted Lasso and Im all for it

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release the punter too or he's a fraud

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Campbell is the hero we need, not the hero we deserve

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LeonhartFour posted...

Trubisky was undermined by his situation. He's not great, but he's better than Lock.

I mean he has the pretty glaring flaw of only being able to throw in one direction.

I'm not saying he's great, but he was at least able to lead a team to the playoffs and I have no confidence Lock can do that.

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Trubisky has also won more NVP trophies than anyone else.

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Packers/Saints has been relocated to Jacksonville.

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xp1337 posted...

lions going all in on the analytics

cut every kicker on the roster

https://twitter.com/minakimes/status/1432814557500637185

LeonhartFour posted...

release the punter too or he's a fraud

4th and 12 at own 23 let's do it

Because let's be real that's how most of their drives are going to go.

We're going to see two things this season:

How much Goff held the Rams back
How much the Lions held Stafford back

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Goff's biggest fault his inability to read any defense that was remotely complex? For example, the Bucs game where he fully embarrassed himself with some of his worst QB play, because the defense kept disguising coverages.

The Lions may be a disaster this year, if he still can't read a complex defense.

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That Super Bowl really exposed Goff because the Pats would wait until the coach couldn't talk to the QB anymore and then completely change their coverage.

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lmao Romo basically stating the kind of thing I jokingly shitpost.

Says Zach Wilson has a Mahomes-level ceiling and we'll be very quickly talking about him as a Top 3 QB in the league.

romo - my dude - he plays for the jets. you can't be a top 3 qb on the jets. if the jets had drafted mahomes he'd be like a backup in minnesota right now because he looked mediocre for three years and we traded him for like a 7th round pick.

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I feel like every Jets fan is absolutely terrified by all the praise Wilson is getting because they don't want to get suckered into believing when they know better.

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Leonhart4 posted...

I feel like every Jets fan is absolutely terrified by all the praise Wilson is getting because they don't want to get suckered into believing when they know better.

Wilson is a flash in the pan who played 1 season against a ridiculously soft schedule after being thoroughly mediocre before then.

Anyone buying in is a fool.

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I saw him play against the Vols two seasons ago, and he was not very good. He hit one deep ball at the end to help them win the game, but it was the result of our defense completely botching the play and leaving the receiver wide open.

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I only saw bits and pieces of the preseason but the snaps of his I did see were basically not defended so this very much feels like a mirage to me.

Unless defenses in the regular season also won't blitz and will at the same time play soft coverage on receivers which I'm cool with but I kinda doubt it! But I mean the Jets O-Line was being beaten consistently even with that so who knows maybe they won't even bother with anything more serious!

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He's going to bury Saleh as a coach because his organization decided to take a flyer against a quarterback who will immediately regress from his monster numbers the moment he faces anything resembling a real defense. If he turns out to be, say, a top 12 quarterback, it'd be mildly surprising. I was mocking the Jets when they made it obvious this was their pick and I was mocking them after they made this pick.

His last year of college is irrelevant because of his opponents. The preseason is also irrelevant because his opponents were barely there. All you have to do is ask the 0-16 Lions, who when 4-0 in the preseason.

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xp1337 posted...

I only saw bits and pieces of the preseason but the snaps of his I did see were basically not defended so this very much feels like a mirage to me.

Unless defenses in the regular season also won't blitz and will at the same time play soft coverage on receivers which I'm cool with but I kinda doubt it! But I mean the Jets O-Line was being beaten consistently even with that so who knows maybe they won't even bother with anything more serious!

Everything about this guy has screamed "mirage" from the moment he went from a nobody to someone shooting up the draft boards in the span of a month or two.

I did hear this statement came from a reporter covering the joint practices between them and the Packers, though.

"You can tell which team ended the season 2-14 last year and which team ended the season 13-3." For a preseason practice, that's scalding.

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Yeah, the preseason is largely meaningless when it comes to forecasting regular season performance, so I don't even pay attention to it anymore. Everyone talked about how good Cam Newton looked during the preseason, and then he got cut!

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Crescent-Moon posted...

Everything about this guy has screamed "mirage" from the moment he went from a nobody to someone shooting up the draft boards in the span of a month or two.

Ah yes, also known as the Trubisky Effect.

except this time the Bears might be the beneficiary of another team getting suckered by inflated stats and the combine

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LeonhartFour posted...

Yeah, the preseason is largely meaningless when it comes to forecasting regular season performance, so I don't even pay attention to it anymore. Everyone talked about how good Cam Newton looked during the preseason, and then he got cut!

Any forecast that you could seriously take away from the preseason was irreparably refuted by that Lions team~

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LeonhartFour posted...

Ah yes, also known as the Trubisky Effect.

except this time the Bears might be the beneficiary of another team getting suckered by inflated stats and the combine

Oh yes, the Bears got a quarterback that's far more likely to have success than the Jets did.

After completely crapping the bed on trading two first round picks and then some for Mitch, it's surely a welcome change for them!

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Excuse me, we only traded one 1st round pick (3rd overall) and then some for Trubisky! Was still a horrible trade but it's not like the 49ers did well with those picks we gave up anyway. Everybody loses!

I think part of the "then some" turned out to be Fred Warner.

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Yeah that was the 2018 pick they got

they dealt one of the 2017 ones to the Saints who picked Kamara so the Bears ended up being the third most successful team from that trade

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Not going to question the 49ers "winning" the trade but when you get that many picks and then get even more picks out of it from other trades, you'd expect them to hit on more than just one of them! Whiffing on the 3rd overall pick is rather egregious too. Basically, Bears lose, 49ers missed a great opportunity, Saints win I guess though we'll see how good Kamara really is without Brees dumping off to him every other play this year.

But really the main reason I think people are hard on the Bears is Mahomes and Watson being in the same draft, and who knows if Watson even plays another down in the NFL

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And they traded a bunch of picks to move up one spot to get a QB nobody else may have actually wanted

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LiquidOshawott posted...

But really the main reason I think people are hard on the Bears is Mahomes and Watson being in the same draft, and who knows if Watson even plays another down in the NFL

Now that I think about it, Watson might have been an even worse choice than Trubisky, assuming the Bears sign Watson to a massive contract like the Texans did.

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who knows how much better they do with Watson as the QB, considering they weren't outright terrible under Trubisky

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Strangely enough they arent in a terrible position despite that but landing a elite defensive player through trade helps

Pace just keeps falling upwards (and with how weird the NFC is this year it wouldnt surprise me if it continued)

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I always hate the argument that the Bears could have had Mahomes. Like yeah they could have but literally nobody had him ranked as the best QB in that class. It was either Trubisky or Watson leading up to the draft. Personally, if they were going QB I wanted Watson...not so much now but at the time yeah. And I guarantee you that if the Bears did draft Mahomes instead of Trubisky it would be Mahomes backing up Josh Allen in Buffalo right now instead of Trubisky lol

LiquidOshawott posted...

Pace just keeps falling upwards (and with how weird the NFC is this year it wouldnt surprise me if it continued)

Pace also does well drafting in the later rounds which covers up some of dumb draft day trades and a pretty shit record in the 1st round.

Yeah, I think one of the most overlooked things when it comes to QBs is that where they get drafted matters a lot. There are very few QBs out there who will succeed regardless of who drafts them. There's a reason why certain franchises always seem to have good QBs (Indianapolis, Green Bay) and certain franchises never do (Bears, Jets).

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xp1337 posted...

lmao Romo basically stating the kind of thing I jokingly shitpost.

Says Zach Wilson has a Mahomes-level ceiling and we'll be very quickly talking about him as a Top 3 QB in the league.

romo - my dude - he plays for the jets. you can't be a top 3 qb on the jets. if the jets had drafted mahomes he'd be like a backup in minnesota right now because he looked mediocre for three years and we traded him for like a 7th round pick.

tbf, it is still a lot of things going right for an all time QB to be at KC. We had literally gone 35 years without a drafted by us QB winning a game, the Jets could at least do that.

So maybe Mahomes would have been great everywhere.

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Mahomes is one of those transcendental talents that could've picked up most teams.

The Bears probably would've been good with him.

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LeonhartFour posted...

Yeah, I think one of the most overlooked things when it comes to QBs is that where they get drafted matters a lot. There are very few QBs out there who will succeed regardless of who drafts them. There's a reason why certain franchises always seem to have good QBs (Indianapolis, Green Bay) and certain franchises never do (Bears, Jets).

And this is why I'm so low on Wilson. He's the kind of QB you almost always see flame out on a franchise that kills QBs.

It's ike he's the perfect fit for the Jets!

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Rest In Peace David Patten =(

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I'm low on Wilson because I think he made a lot of plays in college that just won't work in the NFL. But hey, I'd love to be wrong. I think he was overhyped a bit because they needed a storyline beyond "Jacksonville is going to draft Trevor Lawrence." for the number one pick.

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I still think it's going to be funny if Darnold balls out on the Jets with a team that isn't particularly good around him and am kind of rooting for it to happen...

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Nah, Darnold will still see Ghosts. Especially against the Jets, they're a dead team so they're all ghosts!

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I think Darnold is a good example of one of those guys who just got put into the wrong situation and it really set him back.

Not sure Carolina is the right situation, but we'll see...!

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Darnold has a lot more help in Carolina than he did in New York. Better RBs(CMac/Hubbard), better 1-2 punch at WR(Moore/Anderson+ he's worked with Anderson before), the best named TE in ages(Tommy Tremble) and an O-Line collectively better than what he had in NY(if Carolina had a Becton-caliber lineman it would make a difference by leaps and bounds).

Really it comes down to how serious he takes the second chance, how well Joe Brady plans around his particular skills and whether the defense fixes their positional gaps. He can certainly be what people presumed he would, but he could also be Sam Bradford 1.1.

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Merely being Sam Bradford would still be an improvement over what he was with the Jets!

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_PandaMaster_ posted...

but he could also be Sam Bradford 1.1.

Bradford was pretty good though. He just couldn't stay healthy for shit.

LeonhartFour posted...

Merely being Sam Bradford would still be an improvement over what he was with the Jets!

Significantly so

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as a heads up, the pickem league is up!

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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32166732/clinton-portis-one-three-ex-nfl-players-plead-guilty-healthcare-fraud-scheme

here's a wild story

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