Board 8 > FFXIV Topic Part 8 -- Suffering from Success

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Going into a boss fight with full beast gauge as a level 70+ Warrior is hilarious. This is the most smoothbrain shit on earth.


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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Going into a boss fight with full beast gauge as a level 70+ Warrior is hilarious. This is the most smoothbrain shit on earth.

Less than ideal, still gotta have Storm's Eye up first.

EDIT: Ideally, you want in with one stack of Infuriate used, as well, so you don't waste the CDR of Fell Cleave when you rage out.

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Storms Eye is usually up! Especially now that AoE resets it. Only Viewing Cutscene can stop me.

Also it's not really a waste of cooldown reduction if I have 2 Infuriate up to begin with. I'm getting 8 Fell Cleaves on pull! Just need to make sure I use my first Infuriate the as soon as I get my 5th Fell Cleave off.

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Isquen posted...

Less than ideal, still gotta have Storm's Eye up first.

Even in a situation where you enter an encounter with 100 gauge and no Eye, you can just Onslaught, apply Eye, and you're back at 100 gauge.

Also in general for WAR if you aren't using gauge on Upheaval every time it comes off cooldown you're doing something wrong. It's your most efficient use of gauge up to something like 16 enemies or so.

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Yeah that's the one thing I really need to get used to probably just need to move it to hotbar 1R instead of onslaught even if that's not my muscle memory at this point. Neither is going to cost gauge in Endwalker though, so the lack of devoting even a minute brain cell towards gauge maintence for either is going to make that even easier.

I should specify I am have FUN as Warrior now, which up until level 60 was not the case. High impact smoothbrain game play is a hell of a lot more enjoyable than low impact smoothbrain gameplay, and Warrior is boriiiiiiing until Shadowbringers.

Really I have no idea which Tank I'm going to end up maiming. I haven't played Dark Knight since leveling and that was the same situation I used to be in as Black Mage where I was completely incompetent from a rotation standpoint when I was playing it so I don't know how it ACTUALLY feels.

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I swear every single other Ninja on earth seems to Doton on single target bosses and that HAS to be wrong, right?

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

I swear every single other Ninja on earth seems to Doton on single target bosses and that HAS to be wrong, right?

Yeah, it is. Heck, Doton is only a potency gain over a Katon in AoE situations if the mobs stay in/are alive in Doton for like 3/4th's of the duration, too.

There are some cases where putting Doton down before the boss comes back from a phase transition is a potency increase I believe but its really pretty niche super tryhard stuff.

Single target Doton is a gain in two situations:

1) You put it down pre-pull and Hide (resetting your Mudra cooldowns) and then the tank pulls the boss into the puddle.

2) You put the puddle down during downtime in a situation where you would otherwise overcap Mudras and the boss spends an appreciable amount of time in it.

Obviously both of these are tryhard elitist bullshit that are not at all required to clear content casually, but rather are things that a top 1% player might do trying to move their 99 parse to a 100. Using Doton on one target in other situations is a bad idea, though.

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Not_an_Owl posted...

1) You put it down pre-pull and Hide (resetting your Mudra cooldowns) and then the tank pulls the boss into the puddle.

Shouldn't you be using your prepull for Huton? Unless the prepull is long enough to get out both, and starting out with the Huton extension combo.

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You have two charges of mudras prepull. So you Huton, Doton, Hide, and then Suiton on pull.

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Oh duh, brain fart there.

I've been sitting on max wolfmarks for a few days because I had bought all the hair/mount/minion/etcs, only to just looknat the job gear and it's, uhhhhh....really cool??

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Guess I'm a bad Warrior D:

*Strums bow from the backline*

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Warrior has so few buttons that I have onslaught, upheaval and infuriate in both R and L

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I meticulously hunted to get the last 5% of my level 78 WAR bar to 79 first so I could potentially get Mt Gulg for leveling queue.

Sastasha.

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When it comes to leveling roulette, It's Probably Pirates.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

I meticulously hunted to get the last 5% of my level 78 WAR bar to 79 first so I could potentially get Mt Gulg for leveling queue.

I don't think I've been in Mt. Gulg beyond the once mandatory during MSQ, which is a shame, because the glam for it is on point.

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I've actually gotten Mt Gulg for every level 79 leveling queue up until this point! This was the universe adjusting itself I suppose.

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I love getting Sastasha in levelling roulette. Premium brain-turn-off time.

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My Squadron Manuals don't like getting it!

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Anything that makes me turn off my brain is bad unless I'm currently listening to something in the background like a podcast or something, and even then its only a 'I guess I'll do it' for me.

I would rather every duty roulette was a 50+ dungeon honestly.

Really wish this game had healable training dummies.

I guess I could use my Chocobo, but I usually use the one at my FC.

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Unless BRD pops off in a big way during the leveling process, I think I'm sticking with RDM for Endwalker.

I got basically everything I wanted to change and then some, other than getting rid of the cone AoE.

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Finally started Shadowbringers, going to be cutting it way closer with EW than I expected! Also this story takes absolutely no time to get going, holy bajesus.

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Xiahou Shake posted...

Finally started Shadowbringers, going to be cutting it way closer with EW than I expected! Also this story takes absolutely no time to get going, holy bajesus.

Once you start Shadowbringers the hype train starts and doesn't stop

Also Re: Main I'm not sure what I wanna do yet. I have mained Ninja since shortly after Heavensward came out (I originally played ARR as a Bard, hated what they did to Bard in Heavnsward, swapped to Monk for the story but ended up not liking it, then swapped to Ninja and have played that since). I kinda wanna main a new job its been so long on that one though, but I'm not sure what.

I've pretty much decided I'm not going to swap main roles (so no Tank or Healer), I probably don't want to do Monk, I'm not super partial to most of the casters (Red Mage is okay and I am interested in Endwalker Summoner but I doubt I'll main them anyway), which basically leaves Samurai, Dragoon, Reaper, Bard, Machinist, or Dancer.

And since I can't play Reaper til Endwalker is out, can't really form too much of an opinion on that one.

I've played all 5 of the others up to at least 70 and I have Bard and Samurai at 80, and I can say I prefer playing Samurai to Dragoon, and I don't really have a huge preference on ranged, but aesthetically for going through the story I think Machinist would be cooler to be than the other two.

So basically my options are Samurai, Machinist, or Reaper to swap to.

Gotta finish leveling Machinist and decide between that and Samurai by the time Endwalker comes out, then put the winner up against Reaper as what I have most fun playing and want to main.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Unless BRD pops off in a big way during the leveling process

Depending on where you stopped, yes. The big thing with bard is reacting to procs, and the proc rate increases dramatically going from 60-70 so the job becomes much, much busier. The dot tick proc rate doubles and Empyreal becomes a guaranteed proc, then burst shot also upgrades its RNG. You already have the full chassis at 60 though, apart from Apex Arrow and the aoe counterpart to Sidewinder.

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Wiped 4 times befire the party disbanded on Dohn Mheg as Astro because the new RDM had no idea what to do on the goat. We kept trying to explain what to do with the tethers but when ever we said "stand on from of the glowing lines" and they kept saying "what lines" and "do I stand in the AoE?"? Also never got themselves out of the plant traps.

Honestly I've only seen toxicity like 3 times ever and this was the first time I'd almost say it was warranted, though I actively tried to prevent it. Though the tank was also being a dipshit. "This mechanics has been in several dungeons before this" which is a lie.

I stayed and 3 new players joined right away, the tank saw where I was standing and said "oof, I can guess what happened here", and then we proceeded to finish with the cleanest clear in history. Nobody even got turned into a frog or fell off the highwire once.

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Reached the level cap as BLU, that was a pretty chill levelling process. No to solo some dungeons for more spells before taking on the Masked Carnivale!

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AST 78 and it's amazing how much easier this class is than it looked from all the awful, bloated tooltips.

The only think I'm totally blanking on is Horoscope. No idea how this ability works.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

AST 78 and it's amazing how much easier this class is than it looked from all the awful, bloated tooltips.

The only think I'm totally blanking on is Horoscope. No idea how this ability works.

It's a delayed AOE heal. The buff gets upgraded if you cast either Helios spell, then heals everyone when it falls off or you hit Horoscope again.

So basically you can just use it as an extra burst heal by using Horoscope, casting Aspected Helios, and then popping Horoscope. Pretty simple, just a nonsense tooltip.

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Ahhh gotcha, I guesssss I can see how that corresponds to the tooltips.

Will also say that I HATE the phrase "magical barrier" in reference to shields. When I read magical barrier I think Collective Unconcious. Just say shields!

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Finished up 5.3 last night. Really enjoyed that, although the trial took a few tries for the tanks to get the LB3 timing right after the button mash sequence.

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Always wierd to get a PS5 trophy for something I already did on PS4.

45 second T5 run for Wondrous trails popping a trophy, and I definitely beat that before lol.

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I installed the PS5 version, launched, immediately realized I'd need to redo my hotbars because they don't carry over from PS4, and noped back out. I'll deal with that later. (Still need to redo mine on PS4 but at least I'm functional already there.)

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JonThePenguin posted...

I installed the PS5 version, launched, immediately realized I'd need to redo my hotbars because they don't carry over from PS4, and noped back out. I'll deal with that later. (Still need to redo mine on PS4 but at least I'm functional already there.)

Upload your setting to the server in the PS4 character login screen first. Little cog icon.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Upload your setting to the server in the PS4 character login screen first. Little cog icon.

Aha, I'll have to remember that. Later. Decided to probably go ahead and grind out the PS4 platinum before upgrading anyway.

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Think I'm leaning toward maining Machinist for Endwalker at this point, decided to go for it instead of Samurai.

So its only competition now is if I really like Reaper when Endwalker hits.

Still trying to decide on my main between MCH, SMN and PLD

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A small part of my RDM decision was I'm sure there's going to be plenty of deaths on launch week new mechanics and I wanna keep that shit go with the dualcast rez.

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Is the friday live letter going to be a live translation thing?

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I was inspired by unlocking role quests to finally try playing something other than melee dps. Did a few dungeons as DRK, then went on Reddit and saw a swarm of threads talking about how it's in a miserable state right now (and apparently moreso in EW?) compared to all the other tanks. Is it really so bad? I love the aesthetics and know it ultimately doesn't matter at all so I'm obviously going to keep leveling it, but I do find the discussion somewhat interesting.

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Dark Knight is completely fine. It's just the Scholar situation where people are salty it didn't get any super fancy looking abilities. The only REAL problem is that they didn't move Blood weapon to charges instead of a timer for Endwalker like most similar abilities did.

Nothing in Endwalker is actually in bad shape...well I guess there's some controvery that Gunbreaker's No Mercy DPS window doesn't work anymore timing wise?

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Dark Knight has been identical for three expansions, that's why people are salty

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Dark Knight has been identical for three expansions, that's why people are salty

DRK has changed quite considerably from HW to StB and then from StB to ShB, so I'm not sure what you mean by this!

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Not_an_Owl posted...

DRK has changed quite considerably from HW to StB and then from StB to ShB, so I'm not sure what you mean by this!

StB, ShB, and Endwalker are 3 expansions

And the StB -> ShB changes were mostly to streamline the job, which is not better and is why people complain about it! Specifically, people complained that Dark Arts spam was not fun or engaging design, so they removed it...so that you can spam Edge of Darkness instead. It's a lateral move.

That said the job still performed very well all expansion and is definitely one of the top tanks. It's just gotten stale to the community.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

StB, ShB, and Endwalker are 3 expansions

And the StB -> ShB changes were mostly to streamline the job, which is not better and is why people complain about it! Specifically, people complained that Dark Arts spam was not fun or engaging design, so they removed it...so that you can spam Edge of Darkness instead. It's a lateral move.

I will freely admit EW DRK is basically the same job as it is in ShB, but you cannot tell me with a straight face that StB and EW are identical. Their rotation, resource management, and overall flow are significantly different.

And you press Edge of Darkness way, way, way less often than you used to press Dark Arts, so much so that I would say if you're "spamming" Edge you're playing the job wrong. At its core DRK is a resource management job, focused around saving MP and gauge for raid buff windows, dumping everything, and then storing up again for the next raid buff window. Realistically you're pressing Edge 4 times per minute (3 and 5 in alternating minutes if you're min/maxing in a raid environment). If you pressed Dark Arts at that rate you'd overcap MP like crazy.

Like, just to illustrate my point here's a few of my DRK parses.
O11S - 10:44 killtime, 83 Dark Arts casts (7.7 CPM) https://www.fflogs.com/reports/VP4jZmqAKgy1CLBY#fight=2&type=casts&source=6
E10S - 10:48 killtime, 43 Edge of Shadow casts (4.0 CPM) https://www.fflogs.com/reports/Aah8Hj6MXpY9qmBc#fight=22&type=casts&source=148

Even before accounting for downtime (which is driving Dark Arts casts down! O11S has a bunch of downtime from like 2-4 minutes!) my Stormblood DRK was spamming its ability at twice the rate of my ShB DRK.

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Not_an_Owl posted...

I will freely admit EW DRK is basically the same job as it is in ShB, but you cannot tell me with a straight face that StB and EW are identical. Their rotation, resource management, and overall flow are significantly different.

And you press Edge of Darkness way, way, way less often than you used to press Dark Arts, so much so that I would say if you're "spamming" Edge you're playing the job wrong. At its core DRK is a resource management job, focused around saving MP and gauge for raid buff windows, dumping everything, and then storing up again for the next raid buff window. Realistically you're pressing Edge 4 times per minute (3 and 5 in alternating minutes if you're min/maxing in a raid environment). If you pressed Dark Arts at that rate you'd overcap MP like crazy.

You're not wrong but I don't know what to tell you other than the overall design philosophy has been the same since Stormblood. At its core DRK has been managing meter, managing MP with a flexible oGCD (regardless of how many times per minute you hit the button), and TBN.

I'm really not trying to discredit you but to explain why the general perception is the way it is. You obviously know what you're talking about. My experience with DRK is playing casually in dungeons and trials - compared to how it was when it was introduced, the job feels basically the same to me now as it did in 4.0. This casual perception is obviously going to dominate conversation. My friend who has mained the job since Heavensward and raided on it is giving it up because the progressive streamlining of it and the tank role have removed the things he liked about it in 3.x. Shadowbringers did not really address any of the issues he had with the job. I think the major issue he had wasnt the cpm being too high, but that most of them were Dark Arts, so it was busy but boring. Now it's just boring to him, so he is considering going GNB to get some of the complexity back.

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PvP and Crafting/Gathering Live Letter is 10PM EST tomorrow (err...today), and will be love translated.

Hoping for the story trailer at some point during since it's 2 weeks out, but they haven't said anything about it.

Also on a gameplay side note, Bard at level 70+ is, uh....pretty fucking wild. 74 now, only Monk left after this!

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If there's a story trailer, I don't wanna see it.

And it's driving me crazy I need 3 days after EW comes out to finish the last beast tribes (ARR). Everything else is pretty much done.

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