Poll of the Day > #MeTooAlert: C.K. Louis announces Comeback Comedy Tour...

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pionear
08/05/21 5:12:45 PM
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https://nypost.com/2021/08/04/louis-c-k-announces-new-tour-dates-in-bizarre-email/amp/

After Sexual Misconduct Allegations...

Do you think he's funny? (Poll Question)
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Mead
08/05/21 5:14:31 PM
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Ill still watch his stuff, hes still funny to me. What he did was wrong though.

You gotta be sure when it comes to consent.

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Red_Frog
08/05/21 5:32:28 PM
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What poll?
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OhhhJa
08/05/21 5:37:44 PM
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His standup is pretty funny but it was his show that I really liked
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Far-Queue
08/05/21 5:39:33 PM
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Mead posted...
Ill still watch his stuff, hes still funny to me. What he did was wrong though.


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ParanoidObsessive
08/05/21 6:42:36 PM
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Mead posted...
What he did was wrong though.

The question we have to ask, though, is whether when someone does wrong we're willing to forgive them if they seem honestly remorseful and make an attempt to atone in some way, or if we'll simply hold it against them for the rest of their lives, regardless of how long that might be, or whether or not they might change as a person over time.

And then the second question we have to ask is, in any given specific case, has the person in question honestly regretted their actions and made a sincere attempt to make amends, or have they not sufficiently atoned based on whatever arbitrary standard we've decided is "good enough" or "not good enough"?

The legal system says "if you're convicted of X crime you're punished in Y fashion for Z amount of time", after which point you've technically fulfilled your debt to society. But we as a culture tend to act on the assumption that if you do something bad even once, you're pretty much fucked until you're dead. And even moreso when you're not convicted of a crime (and thus aren't "punished"), in spite of the fact that none of us are omniscient and have absolutely no idea of whether or not the accusation was even true in the first place.

No matter how much we pay lip service to the idea of people being rehabilitated for their crimes, we almost never actually accept the idea that anyone is ever really rehabilitated, and tend to treat them like criminals for the rest of their lives. Which is kind of fucked up.
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Mead
08/05/21 6:45:59 PM
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I dont think we can know the answers to those questions

every person just needs to use their best judgement. You can listen to your peers and consider what they say, but in the end everyone has to choose what they think to be the right thing

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Metalsonic66
08/05/21 6:46:11 PM
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I enjoyed his show

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ParanoidObsessive
08/05/21 6:48:09 PM
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Mead posted...
I dont think we can know the answers to those questions

Not knowing the answers to those question plays a large role in contributing to the fucked up nature of society, though.
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Mead
08/05/21 6:51:08 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Not knowing the answers to those question plays a large role in contributing to the fucked up nature of society, though.

in what way do you think?

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dragon504
08/05/21 7:00:44 PM
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Did he even do anything wrong? I thought he just jerked off in front of some people. Was under the impression he even stated what he was going to do beforehand(lol) and that no one was barred from leaving.

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keyblader1985
08/05/21 7:04:35 PM
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From what little I heard about that stuff, it was consentual. But after reading his response I can see how it would have been a sticky situation.

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Far-Queue
08/05/21 7:06:25 PM
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dragon504 posted...
Did he even do anything wrong?
Telling someone you're going to jerk off in front of them is not the same as asking someone their consent to watch you jerk off in front of them.

Aside from that, there was a power dynamic involved. Louis CK was at the time highly successful and well-connected. Anyone trying to make their way through showbiz could be intimidated by his status, and that fear could prevent them from speaking out against him.


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Mead
08/05/21 7:11:53 PM
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dragon504 posted...
Did he even do anything wrong? I thought he just jerked off in front of some people. Was under the impression he even stated what he was going to do beforehand(lol) and that no one was barred from leaving.

I think what he did was wrong. Getting consent isnt a technicality thing. You need to reach a genuine understanding that it is something that all parties want to happen

and the thing he did to a woman over the phone is just not okay at all

Im somewhat glad that he has flatly confirmed the allegations which I personally think has created a healthier dialogue about it compared to when the truth isnt known with certainty

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Zareth
08/05/21 7:19:33 PM
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Far-Queue posted...
Telling someone you're going to jerk off in front of them is not the same as asking someone their consent to watch you jerk off in front of them.
I mean that's still wrong, creepy, and sexual harassment, it's just not as severe as the former

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ReturnOfFa
08/05/21 7:27:35 PM
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I had lost interest in him partway through his show, before the accusations. I didn't enjoy the 2-part Afghanistan episodes and thought it was pretty lame. The accusations put me off further. People keep 'justifying' what he did - I'm well aware he isn't a rapist, but I still wouldn't be inviting a family members if they had done the same thing.

I'm sure I'd still find certain bits funny, but he's not my type of guy. Even the most offensive comedians that I like (Andrew Dice Clay, Patrice O'Neal) have never been reported for any sort of sexual impropriety, and they don't do goofy military specials either.

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pionear
08/12/21 11:32:15 AM
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Red_Frog posted...
What poll?
I forgot...

keyblader1985 posted...
But after reading his response I can see how it would have been a sticky situation.

No Pun Intended?

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Archgoat
08/12/21 12:22:40 PM
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I would probably go see him if he was performing near me. What he did was kind of creepy and he was in a position of power for sure. He admitted it, said he now understands why and defitenly lost a lot of revenue for it. I don't think what he did is on the level of others like Weinstein who committed heinous acts and I would never support in any way.

I think overall it is subjective for each person, but I do believe people should be able to atone and continue to work. Here the market will now determine for Louis CK.
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agesboy
08/12/21 1:09:48 PM
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Louis CK is one of the people I'd be fine with having a return to comedy. He understands what he did wrong, he's genuinely apologized without really blaming the victim or society, and he didn't cross a lot of the worse lines. The reason people even liked him was because of how borderline creepy he was, so it's not like we have a betrayal of personal personality vs their public personality.

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Mead
08/12/21 1:11:18 PM
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While obviously not as severe or potentially harmful, what he did to Pete Davidson was pretty shitty too, and I would guess was just fueled by jealousy

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PunishedOni
08/12/21 1:29:11 PM
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idk how i would be able to sit there and enjoy listening to him tell all his cum jokes or whatever now

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Krow_Incarnate
08/12/21 1:39:22 PM
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I never thought this dude was funny.

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JOExHIGASHI
08/12/21 1:51:55 PM
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Yea but I don't really follow stand up

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Zeus
08/12/21 2:11:16 PM
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C.K. Louis announces Comeback Comedy Tour...

Why did you reverse that? Your trolling is so fucking weird.

pionear posted...
Do you think he's funny? (Poll Question)

tbh, a lot of funny people tend to be legitimately horrible human beings, and I kinda expect that part of humor can come from how fucked up a person is because it helps them look at the world differently.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
The question we have to ask, though, is whether when someone does wrong we're willing to forgive them if they seem honestly remorseful and make an attempt to atone in some way, or if we'll simply hold it against them for the rest of their lives, regardless of how long that might be, or whether or not they might change as a person over time.

And then the second question we have to ask is, in any given specific case, has the person in question honestly regretted their actions and made a sincere attempt to make amends, or have they not sufficiently atoned based on whatever arbitrary standard we've decided is "good enough" or "not good enough"?

The legal system says "if you're convicted of X crime you're punished in Y fashion for Z amount of time", after which point you've technically fulfilled your debt to society. But we as a culture tend to act on the assumption that if you do something bad even once, you're pretty much fucked until you're dead. And even moreso when you're not convicted of a crime (and thus aren't "punished"), in spite of the fact that none of us are omniscient and have absolutely no idea of whether or not the accusation was even true in the first place.

No matter how much we pay lip service to the idea of people being rehabilitated for their crimes, we almost never actually accept the idea that anyone is ever really rehabilitated, and tend to treat them like criminals for the rest of their lives. Which is kind of fucked up.

I think it's less a matter of forgiving and more just that we like the individuals so we're willing to overlook the fact that they're creeps. Woody Allen molested his own prepubescent daughter, yet asked the AG to make the charges go away and proceeded to have a long career... before (surprise!) engaging in a sexual relationship with another minor daughter (it's almost like somebody should have seen this coming), which *still* didn't kill his career.

And Roman Polanski got a 13 y/o drunk so he could rape her, yet -- rather than wind up canceled or in prison -- he still found work and his films won awards, and his prestige shielded him from justice.

And both cases don't require "omniscience" to know they happened. Polanski has admitted it, and Woody Allen basically did the same thing again because prosecutors refused to stop him the first time. It's similar to Cosby who largely kept getting away with rape so long as he was a celeb, and only faced justice once his star had faded.

Meanwhile you have lots of people who do actually receive a punishment for their crimes whose careers never recover even though they express remorse and don't fucking keep doing the thing they did. Perhaps their crimes should still hang over their head, but you could understand them moving on. It's the guys who suffer no real consequences so they keep doing it that are the problem. And I'm honestly not sure Louis C.K. will clean up his act.

OhhhJa posted...
His standup is pretty funny but it was his show that I really liked

Which is why it's hard to really dislike the guy despite the fact people should really dislike the guy. Humor and athletic ability let people get away with literally the worst shit.

dragon504 posted...
Did he even do anything wrong? I thought he just jerked off in front of some people. Was under the impression he even stated what he was going to do beforehand(lol) and that no one was barred from leaving.

He grabbed a woman by the back of the neck and talked about how he wanted to rape them (which constitutes assault), and he exposed himself to multiple women (and no, he didn't warn them), among other things that would have got anybody else arrested.

Even knob jobbing in front of somebody after you seemingly joke about it was inappropriate because that's not really a "warning", particularly when you're fucking comedian where people don't believe you'd do that.

agesboy posted...
he didn't cross a lot of the worse lines.

And the fact that we're having this argument is exactly why he got away with it.

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Mead
08/12/21 2:13:42 PM
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Krow_Incarnate posted...
I never thought this dude was funny.

https://youtu.be/jkxB15nXRvM

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Krow_Incarnate
08/12/21 2:30:24 PM
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Mead posted...
https://youtu.be/jkxB15nXRvM
Was literally a question in the OP.

And no, I'd rather have someone funny like Titus or Fluffy.

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Smiffwilm
08/12/21 3:04:44 PM
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Shouldn't it be the "Comestomach Comedy Tour"?

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Mead
08/12/21 3:10:12 PM
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Well I want a cookie

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ReturnOfFa
08/12/21 5:43:36 PM
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agesboy posted...
Louis CK is one of the people I'd be fine with having a return to comedy. He understands what he did wrong, he's genuinely apologized without really blaming the victim or society, and he didn't cross a lot of the worse lines. The reason people even liked him was because of how borderline creepy he was, so it's not like we have a betrayal of personal personality vs their public personality.
Even though I take the other side, I still understand this POV.

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HornedLion
08/12/21 5:46:46 PM
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My understanding is that he said he was going to beat off. Gave folks a chance to leave. No one did. And then he beat off and nutted... ON HIMSELF.

If I got any of this incorrect please clarify.

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OhhhJa
08/12/21 5:59:04 PM
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Zeus posted...
Humor and athletic ability let people get away with literally the worst shit.
It also tends to put it in the spotlight though. Louie C.K. probably gets away with this if he's a regular dude. Overwhelming majority of sex crimes go unpunished unfortunately
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ReturnOfFa
08/12/21 6:19:48 PM
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HornedLion posted...
My understanding is that he said he was going to beat off. Gave folks a chance to leave. No one did. And then he beat off and nutted... ON HIMSELF.

If I got any of this incorrect please clarify.
https://tinyurl.com/5x4zuce7

I don't think he literally said 'here is your chance to leave should you not wish to partake'. I think masturbating on the phone is fucked too. I don't think these are normal things to do, even if they aren't violent forceful rape.

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Mead
08/12/21 6:27:26 PM
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Yeah the phone thing might not be illegal, Im not sure, but its gross and not an okay way to act

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Metalsonic66
08/14/21 9:56:57 AM
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HornedLion posted...
My understanding is that he said he was going to beat off. Gave folks a chance to leave. No one did. And then he beat off and nutted... ON HIMSELF.
Performance Art gets weirder and weirder

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ReturnOfFa
08/14/21 11:31:09 AM
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*man nuts on self*

society - *OH HELL YEA GENIUS*

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OhhhJa
08/14/21 11:39:26 AM
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I really just feel sorry for those women having to watch some weird bald ginger built like mashed potatoes nut on his fat gut
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Crackhole
08/14/21 11:44:39 AM
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Isnt all he did was jack off in front of some chicks that said it was ok? Its kinda weird but they were down from wat i heard, i dunno, i havnt really looked into it, louie ck kinda sucks so i dont care

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Mead
08/14/21 11:47:29 AM
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If you dont care about something then why even click on a topic

nobody wants to hear your bad take

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