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C.K. Louis announces Comeback Comedy Tour...

Why did you reverse that? Your trolling is so fucking weird.

pionear posted...

Do you think he's funny? (Poll Question)

tbh, a lot of funny people tend to be legitimately horrible human beings, and I kinda expect that part of humor can come from how fucked up a person is because it helps them look at the world differently.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

The question we have to ask, though, is whether when someone does wrong we're willing to forgive them if they seem honestly remorseful and make an attempt to atone in some way, or if we'll simply hold it against them for the rest of their lives, regardless of how long that might be, or whether or not they might change as a person over time.

And then the second question we have to ask is, in any given specific case, has the person in question honestly regretted their actions and made a sincere attempt to make amends, or have they not sufficiently atoned based on whatever arbitrary standard we've decided is "good enough" or "not good enough"?

The legal system says "if you're convicted of X crime you're punished in Y fashion for Z amount of time", after which point you've technically fulfilled your debt to society. But we as a culture tend to act on the assumption that if you do something bad even once, you're pretty much fucked until you're dead. And even moreso when you're not convicted of a crime (and thus aren't "punished"), in spite of the fact that none of us are omniscient and have absolutely no idea of whether or not the accusation was even true in the first place.

No matter how much we pay lip service to the idea of people being rehabilitated for their crimes, we almost never actually accept the idea that anyone is ever really rehabilitated, and tend to treat them like criminals for the rest of their lives. Which is kind of fucked up.

I think it's less a matter of forgiving and more just that we like the individuals so we're willing to overlook the fact that they're creeps. Woody Allen molested his own prepubescent daughter, yet asked the AG to make the charges go away and proceeded to have a long career... before (surprise!) engaging in a sexual relationship with another minor daughter (it's almost like somebody should have seen this coming), which *still* didn't kill his career.

And Roman Polanski got a 13 y/o drunk so he could rape her, yet -- rather than wind up canceled or in prison -- he still found work and his films won awards, and his prestige shielded him from justice.

And both cases don't require "omniscience" to know they happened. Polanski has admitted it, and Woody Allen basically did the same thing again because prosecutors refused to stop him the first time. It's similar to Cosby who largely kept getting away with rape so long as he was a celeb, and only faced justice once his star had faded.

Meanwhile you have lots of people who do actually receive a punishment for their crimes whose careers never recover even though they express remorse and don't fucking keep doing the thing they did. Perhaps their crimes should still hang over their head, but you could understand them moving on. It's the guys who suffer no real consequences so they keep doing it that are the problem. And I'm honestly not sure Louis C.K. will clean up his act.

OhhhJa posted...

His standup is pretty funny but it was his show that I really liked

Which is why it's hard to really dislike the guy despite the fact people should really dislike the guy. Humor and athletic ability let people get away with literally the worst shit.

dragon504 posted...

Did he even do anything wrong? I thought he just jerked off in front of some people. Was under the impression he even stated what he was going to do beforehand(lol) and that no one was barred from leaving.

He grabbed a woman by the back of the neck and talked about how he wanted to rape them (which constitutes assault), and he exposed himself to multiple women (and no, he didn't warn them), among other things that would have got anybody else arrested.

Even knob jobbing in front of somebody after you seemingly joke about it was inappropriate because that's not really a "warning", particularly when you're fucking comedian where people don't believe you'd do that.

agesboy posted...

he didn't cross a lot of the worse lines.

And the fact that we're having this argument is exactly why he got away with it.

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