Poll of the Day > Why are people who are vaccinated the most worried about rising COVID numbers?

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Everyone that Ive talked to who is concerned about the rising coronavirus numbers and the delta variant have already been fully vaccinated. All the people Ive talked to who dont really care, arent. Didnt the CDC say that all the vaccines available are highly effective and also effective against the delta variant? Do these individuals who are worried about the rising numbers not believe that the vaccine they received is effective? Im just having a hard time understanding why people who are immune to this virus by receiving the vaccine are still worried about it? Can someone please explain this to me?

Aside from social morality and wanting to save the most lives....

If you have 99% protection and you are surrounded by 100 infected people... you're gunna worry

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Because children can't be vaccinated.
And some people have children.
So they're worried that their kids will die.

The vaccine doesn't make you immune to the virus.
It reduces the chances that you'll end up in the hospital and dying.
Vaccinated people can still pass it on to others the same way a non vaccinated person can.

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the reason the vaccinated are worried more than the unvaccinated, is because the people who are worried about disease in general made it a priority to get vaccinated

this is a really circular question

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Because unvaccinated people can serve as incubators for newer and worse strains of COVID-19. Delta can already kinda break through the vaccine in rare cases. Maybe the next strain will be even more infectious and will be able to completely ignore the vaccine. And then we're back to where we were a year ago.

Also if someone's unvaccinated, then they probably thought this whole thing was a hoax anyway, and are likely prone to conspiracy. Meanwhile, if you ARE vaccinated, it means you probably took this whole thing at least a little seriously.

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MartianManchild posted...

Im just having a hard time understanding

That's the first thing you've ever posted that I agree with.

Increasing cases of covid is bad for everyone. It means it will take longer to return to normal, and the increased possibility of new variants arising that escape the protection afforded by the vaccines.

People who understand the gravity of the situation and want to prevent this from transforming into an even worse pandemic are the ones who have already been vaccinated.

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If you're not vaccinated at this point, you're either

misinformed/paranoid

• Incorrectly thinking the vaccine benefit is not worth it because it carries too high of a risk, or you you vaguely "don't trust" it

Or a selfish ass

• maybe thinking sure the vaccine works, but I won't contribute to ending the pandemic because I can't be bothered to feel malaise for a day, or I'm SCARED of needles :(

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How many times have you tried making this exact point, only to have it thoroughly shot down by everyone that has any idea what they're talking about? I can remember at least two other instances, but I'm pretty sure there have been several more.

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Why are the most frequent troll posters such obvious trolls

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It just seems like the vaccinated individuals are just adding to vaccine hesitancy of others by not being confident in the vaccine they received. If you know it works, you should have the attitude of confidence and not be concerned by what others are doing or not because you are protected. Having that type of demeanor would inspire other unvaccinated individuals to go out and receive the vaccine because they too want to be protected. The current attitude of the vaccine will only work if everyone gets the vaccine sends the wrong message, and by doing so you are actually continuing to drive the vaccine hesitancy of others by sending unconfident and mixed messages. We can only get through this pandemic if people start only worrying about themselves and protecting themselves as they see fit instead of obsessing on what others are or are not doing.

MartianManchild posted...

We can only get through this pandemic if people start only worrying about themselves

this is the dumbest shit you have posted

and you exclusively post dumb shit. Close your account

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MartianManchild posted...

It just seems like the vaccinated individuals are just adding to vaccine hesitancy of others by not being confident in the vaccine they received. If you know it works, you should have the attitude of confidence and not be concerned by what others are doing or not because you are protected. Having that type of demeanor would inspire other unvaccinated individuals to go out and receive the vaccine because they too want to be protected. The current attitude of the vaccine will only work if everyone gets the vaccine sends the wrong message, and by doing so you are actually continuing to drive the vaccine hesitancy of others by sending unconfident and mixed messages. We can only get through this pandemic if people start only worrying about themselves and protecting themselves as they see fit instead of obsessing on what others are or are not doing.

Ah yes, the people who get the vaccine, encourage others to do so, and take covid seriously are the real problem



You are either intentionally ignoring, or intellectually incapable of understanding, the fact that "everyone should just be concerned about themselves" is an ineffective and dangerous stance to take, and that stance contributes to real and significant increases in human death and suffering.

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Because of people like you.

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Because not everyone can be vaccinated, and people that choose not too are putting themselves and those people at risk, and are creating opportunities for more mutations that the vaccine can't protect against. It's extremely irresponsible to not get the jab if you can.

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It's hard to explain human empathy to a narcissist, TC. You'll never understand.

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It seems like you have a hard time with rational thinking.

mutations that possibly could side step their way into a vaccinated person.

Plus kids arent vaccinated so you're jeopardizing the children.

plus ima be pissed if i gotta get another shot to accommodate a mutated variant cos y'all didnt do YOUR job

Might be hard for some to understand but a lot of people care about society as a whole, not just themselves. Most of those people are vaccinated.

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Mostly because masks are gone and I don't want them to come back.

But also because I don't want my kids to get it (too young for vaccine currently)

Kavatar posted...

Might be hard for some to understand but a lot of people care about society as a whole, not just themselves. Most of those people are vaccinated.

Right??

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MartianManchild posted...

WHO is concerned about the rising coronavirus numbers and the delta variant

We are seeing in the new variants that the virus is starting to shed the spike proteins that the vaccines target; this is in part to the virus spreading largely undetected and ultimately unchecked amongst the population who have received their shots.


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KodyKeir posted...

We are seeing in the new variants that the virus is starting to shed the spike proteins that the vaccines target; this is in part to the virus spreading largely undetected and ultimately unchecked amongst the population who have received their shots.

This post demonstrates scientific illiteracy. First, to suggest the virus is spreading unchecked within the vaccinated population is the opposite of true.

Second, the virus does not "shed the spike protein." The spike protein is a necessary component of the virus to bind to human ACE2 receptors and for endocytic cell entry.

Shedding has recently been used to describe a crackpot theory, which you couldn't even state correctly, where the spike proteins produced by human cells (using mRNA from the vaccine) are "shed" and cause negative health outcomes. Which, again, has never been demonstrated.

It's like you just threw together a series of words that sound vaguely scientific to sound credible, but what you said is nonsense.

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a lot of the virus is being spread via text and voicemail

mask your phones people

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Its pretty obvious. Vaccinated people were more concerned about with virus, its why they got the vaccination.

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Clench281 posted...

First, to suggest the virus is spreading unchecked within the vaccinated population is the opposite of true.

Can't find what you don't look for, or is in too small of a quantity to detect with current abilities.

Clench281 posted...

The spike protein is a necessary component of the virus to bind to human ACE2 receptors and for endocytic cell entry.

Yes, and the virus is producing strains that bypass that component; we would be back at square one if one were to become endemic.

Clench281 posted...

It's like you just threw together a series of words that sound vaguely scientific to sound credible,

Yes, because no one here that we want to reach out to actually understands the science enough to read it, if we actually wrote it out.

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The Pfizer vaccine only has a 39% efficacy rate against the Delta variant

KodyKeir posted...

Yes, and the virus is producing strains that bypass that component; we would be back at square one if one were to become endemic.

Everyone can safely ignore this person's posts. They are spouting nonsense.

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DDirtyDastard posted...

The Pfizer vaccine only has a 39% efficacy rate against the Delta variant

What definition of efficacy are you using?

Two doses of Pfizer has been shown to reduce the odds of symptomatic covid by ~94% for the alpha variant and ~88% for the Delta variant (DOI: 10.1056/NEJMoa2108891).

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because they are afraid.

let people who aren't live their life. people can stay shut inside if they want.
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

because they are afraid.

let people who aren't live their life. people can stay shut inside if they want.

Says the person afraid to get the vaccine because "there isn't years worth of data to back it up"

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I don't need it, the virus won't harm me even if I do get it. I'm young enough and healthy enough, and my immune system is strong.

if I was going to visit my sister and her two kids I would get the shot, but I live alone so there is no reason for me to.
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close your account op no one likes you

Krazy_Kirby posted...

I don't need it, the virus won't harm me even if I do get it. I'm young enough and healthy enough, and my immune system is strong.

if I was going to visit my sister and her two kids I would get the shot, but I live alone so there is no reason for me to.

Please go live in the woods and never interact with anyone ever again. We'll all be thankful

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

I don't need it, the virus won't harm me even if I do get it. I'm young enough and healthy enough, and my immune system is strong.

if I was going to visit my sister and her two kids I would get the shot, but I live alone so there is no reason for me to.

The delta variant has been hitting younger people harder. On that, even asymptomatic people can get long term damage to the heart/lungs/brain.

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The reasons are manyfold:

We generally got the vaccine not just for our own protection, but for that of others.

Continuing to spread disease will breed newer strains that might get through the vaccine.

Kids cannot yet get the vaccine.

On the world stage, we look like entitled assholes for being able to stop the spread but not actually doing so. Many would kill to be in our position.

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

because they are afraid.

let people who aren't live their life. people can stay shut inside if they want.

There is far more real life research data available on the vaccine than there is on covid-19 itself.

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

I don't need it, the virus won't harm me even if I do get it. I'm young enough and healthy enough, and my immune system is strong.

if I was going to visit my sister and her two kids I would get the shot, but I live alone so there is no reason for me to.

Always a new excuse lol

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DDirtyDastard posted...

The Pfizer vaccine only has a 39% efficacy rate against the Delta variant

Clench281 posted...

Everyone can safely ignore this person's posts. They are spouting nonsense.

FTFY

You know damn well that if this virus develops another method of attaching itself to our biology, our work in getting people inoculated goes up in smoke, and worse leaves us with a public even less likely to trust a future solution; the problem has always been about consistent messaging on expected short and long term outcomes, but because the POTUS of the day was a narcissistic "stable genius," that has not happened.

As a result we are here, in this politicized mess, answering for the half truths that were told by officials who wanted to keep the economy open at any cost.

Krazy_Kirby posted...

I live alone so there is no reason for me to.

Alone. You never see another Homo Sapien, (or any other known vector carrier) are completely isolated from the supply chains of the world, and thus perfectly safe from the virus, or potential incidental airborne contact.

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Ogurisama posted...

On that, even asymptomatic people can get long term damage to the heart/lungs/brain.

If this stuff is actually true, it makes me seriously doubt it's a naturally occurring virus that simply hopped species. Sounds like some kinda weird bio lab experimental virus

OhhhJa posted...

If this stuff is actually true, it makes me seriously doubt it's a naturally occurring virus that simply hopped species. Sounds like some kinda weird bio lab experimental virus

Why the fuck should anyone care about your worthless uninformed opinion whether it's naturally occurring or not

Oh wait, that's right, no one does

You're just a modern equivalent of cavemen speculating that shadows are evil spirits following us wherever we go

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OhhhJa posted...

If this stuff is actually true, it makes me seriously doubt it's a naturally occurring virus that simply hopped species. Sounds like some kinda weird bio lab experimental virus

The COVID expert is here. Thank god.

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11110111011 posted...

Mostly because masks are gone and I don't want them to come back.

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One reason is the rise of new variants. If it continues to spread in host bodies who have not been vaccinated it gives it more strength to evolve at a faster pace and become even more contagious and deadly. We've already seen this with Delta.

Krazy_Kirby posted...

I don't need it, the virus won't harm me even if I do get it. I'm young enough and healthy enough, and my immune system is strong.

The virus is more likely to harm you than the vaccine. Period. Literally every piece of available data from some of the largest scientific studies ever conducted lead to this conclusion. It doesn't matter how low-risk you think you are for a serious Covid infection, the vaccine is safer.

OhhhJa posted...

If this stuff is actually true, it makes me seriously doubt it's a naturally occurring virus that simply hopped species. Sounds like some kinda weird bio lab experimental virus

Of all the possible combinations of all the possible words in the English language that you could string together to announce to the world that you understand almost nothing about biology, I think this might be the most effective for communicating that point.

We live in a world where nature has produced unicellular organisms with literal spears made of silica that they use to tear open their prey and lap up (well, pinocytose) their innards. Where flatworms will try to stab each other with razor-sharp penises in a violent duel for the privilege of reproducing without the reproductive investment of playing mommy. Where Japanese honeybees will lure predatory giant hornets into their nests, then swarm all over them and vibrate so hard that they literally cook the hornet alive (just 1 degree F below the maximum temperature the bees can withstand).

The notion of nature producing a virus that causes permanent scarring on affected organs when it infects people is not remotely implausible. Nature has created tons of far crazier shit than that.

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Oh, and deer are are a carrier, and most in Michigan have been exposed to it.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/07/over-half-the-deer-in-michigan-seem-to-have-been-exposed-to-sars-cov-2/

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

because they are afraid.

let people who aren't live their life. people can stay shut inside if they want.

nah

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

I don't need it, the virus won't harm me even if I do get it. I'm young enough and healthy enough, and my immune system is strong.

if I was going to visit my sister and her two kids I would get the shot, but I live alone so there is no reason for me to.

https://tinyurl.com/emt24dte

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adjl posted...

The virus is more likely to harm you than the vaccine. Period. Literally every piece of available data from some of the largest scientific studies ever conducted lead to this conclusion. It doesn't matter how low-risk you think you are for a serious Covid infection, the vaccine is safer.

Of all the possible combinations of all the possible words in the English language that you could string together to announce to the world that you understand almost nothing about biology, I think this might be the most effective for communicating that point.

We live in a world where nature has produced unicellular organisms with literal spears made of silica that they use to tear open their prey and lap up (well, pinocytose) their innards. Where flatworms will try to stab each other with razor-sharp penises in a violent duel for the privilege of reproducing without the reproductive investment of playing mommy. Where Japanese honeybees will lure predatory giant hornets into their nests, then swarm all over them and vibrate so hard that they literally cook the hornet alive (just 1 degree F below the maximum temperature the bees can withstand).

The notion of nature producing a virus that causes permanent scarring on affected organs when it infects people is not remotely implausible. Nature has created tons of far crazier shit than that.

This is a respiratory virus. Why is it causing erectile dysfunction and brain damage? Lol its weird bruh

You even don't know what the respiratory system does. And it shows.

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