Board 8 > The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles Review Zone

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Pay the woman, counsel!

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Leonhart4 posted...

I imagine that's a casualty of reducing from three games to two, unfortunately.

I heard that was a rumor and that in an interview Takumi had actually said it was meant to be one game but the story was just too big for one game. Not sure how accurate those are since I haven't seen any of the interviews myself though.

Speaking of things that wasn't addressed, I kind of figured they'd address the extremely convenient juries that even Ryunosuke brings up and that it'd be more than just sheer coincidences.
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I don't have any proof, but it was widely believed in the fandom when GAA1 came out that it was the first game in a trilogy.

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Oh, and this has been at the back of my mind. I feel like I remember most of the talk from the fan translation players was that the first game was better than the second?? Would be very interested in what drugs they were taking. 2-4 and 2-5 would have to be the worst cases in the entire franchise for this to not be better than GAA1.

General opinion is that the second game is better. Me and Mac just happen to be in the minority that feels otherwise.
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2-4

I feel like I already know so many "answers", but I can't for the life of me figure out how they're going to come together if I'm right.

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hombad46 posted...

The thing is that 2-5 testimony is more bad design IMO. The description really should've updated to mention the name of the ship instead of just saying it was for a ship, but it didn't and as you said most players probably wouldn't want to re-examine everything that they got in 2-4. Meanwhile the correct answer for the 2-3 one is just that minor of a detail that it's hard to spot.

True. But just remembered another hard one. 2-5 again where they ask you what evidence shows that the body was moved. You're supposed to show that the photograph of the body with the reasoning that he's curled up in a ball but that's a pretty big stretch. I also got the reasoning wrong here because I assumed it was because the color of his hands seemed like it was frozen. Pixel Partners had to use story mode for that.
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Yeah that one took me a few minutes to work out and I wasn't totally confident when I presented the evidence.

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Everytime I think I have something figured out all the way, they start talking about it like it's fact in the investigation phase which means it's probably wrong??

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Start of 2-5

The most big dick move any judiciary adjacent villain has made thus far, lol.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Start of 2-5

The most big dick move any judiciary adjacent villain has made thus far, lol.

END OF CASE spoilers, don't read unless you've finished the case::

If only it actually mattered lol. He's just a regular judge until he's accused and then whenever he tries to prematurely adjourn he just bows down to the pressure of the judiciary until the very end. He's never able to give a single unfair overrule or adjourn. He's pretty much same as if he was just the normal judge. It just looks cooler seeing a breakdown from the judge's desk.
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GiftedACIII posted...

The actual reasoning was wrong but I got it on the first try because she gives you two different amendments to her testimony so you know it's one of those. I actually thought that he'd died from the neck trauma but I figured she's lying about where she stabbed Odie Asman. For some reason I thought the lie was that she actually stabbed him at the crystal tower. So when asked what the problem was with the image I picked the broken glass. When that failed, the stab wound was the only other option.
So I had an easy time with it despite completely getting the reasoning wrong.

Yeah, I had something similar too. I saw blood on the straps around Asman's body, so I assumed Sithe stabbed Asman after she moved him to Crystal Tower and strapped him in the second birdcage. Only to find out that Ryunosuke went in an entirely different direction with it.


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UGHHHHHH I'm like 99% sure I just hit the last save prompting checkpoint but it's gonna be a full day before I can clean this up.


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Mewtwo59 posted...

Yeah, I had something similar too. I saw blood on the straps around Asman's body, so I assumed Sithe stabbed Asman after she moved him to Crystal Tower and strapped him in the second birdcage. Only to find out that Ryunosuke went in an entirely different direction with it.

lol, that's very similar
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end of 2-4 spoilers

I do feel a bit shafted that 2-5 is apparently just the final trial day (don't tell me if it somehow ends up being more). not only does it mess up case rankings, but I just feel disappointed! I kept thinking "wow, they must be saving up something pretty interesting for 2-5, if they're basically solving all the mysteries now." Oh well.

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colliding posted...

end of 2-4 spoilers

I do feel a bit shafted that 2-5 is apparently just the final trial day (don't tell me if it somehow ends up being more). not only does it mess up case rankings, but I just feel disappointed! I kept thinking "wow, they must be saving up something pretty interesting for 2-5, if they're basically solving all the mysteries now." Oh well.

I felt and still feel much the same way because I felt lied to about how many cases there would actually be in the game, but have faith - they knew that what they had for the final chapter was good.

... If I proceed this text box forward I won't get to see Vigil humping the air towards Caidin anymore and I don't want that to happen.

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Yeah that sure was an animation

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I finished way too quickly

everyone is now having fun without me

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2-5 probably right at the end.

YESSSSS DAMON GANT HOMAGE

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What a great fucking game.

5 > 3 > G2 > 6 > 1 > 4 > I1 > 2 > G1


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G2-5 opinions:

This is maybe the worst case in the series? It's not necessarily as bad moment to moment as some of the really trash cases, but the effect is has on everything that built up to it makes it hit so much harder. It was incredibly obvious Kazuma's dad would be innocent, and also disappointing, since him being guilty was one of the things that made 2-3 interesting. Once G2-3 was over, I'd had enough of the stuff from 10 years ago, so everything that focused on that part was a waste of time. Jigoku was cool, but also obviously guilty from the moment he appears in England (though it seems not everyone realized this?). I hated prosecutor Kazuma and the very concept of him was stupid. The cherry on the shit sandwich was Holmes's ridiculous hologram thing at the end, which not only is really stupid, but they also waste a ton of time explaining how it works. Way worse than anything in AJ.
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The projector is silly but still fun, and I love the trope of "everything the villain was saying in secrecy was actually being broadcast". It's also inconsequential to the actual mystery and not a piece of evidence the court needs to accept, and also something that could theoretically exist.

It's not even 10% as terrible as the completely unjustifiable and inconsistent completely silent cat-door maker, the single worst piece of evidence in the history of AA which just happens to be the lynchpin of the game's final case, and an absurdly major factor in how atrocious 1-5 is.

Also....they spend almost no time explaining how the hologram thing works?? What do you mean waste a ton of time? Unless they cut out a huge chunk of it for the localization, it basically spends...NO time on it. I think it was like 3 or 4 text boxes??

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

It's not even 10% as terrible as the completely unjustifiable and inconsistent completely silent cat-door maker

Huh? What do you mean silent? I don't remember any time noise or lack of noise from it would matter?

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hombad46 posted...

Huh? What do you mean silent? I don't remember any time noise or lack of noise from it would matter?

She used it in the middle of the courtroom for a one time gag and nobody noticed.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

She used it in the middle of the courtroom for a one time gag and nobody noticed.

I figured it was just done during a recess

Edit: Though now I'm not sure if you even get the thing before the last recess and if you don't that'd be bad yeah

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Also I didn't even mention, since I've complained about it before, the mysterious ability to suddenly add a handle, which it hadn't before and makes no sense for a cat door, and even if it had been a secret feature it is never brought up before or after. Not to mention Susato wouldn't even know if it had. An issue that exists purely because it had to have a handle for that cutscene to make sense and they said "well fuck it". Not even a throwaway line about "it can make tiny regular doors too!"

hombad46 posted...

I figured it was just done during a recess

Edit: Though now I'm not sure if you even get the thing before the last recess and if you don't that'd be bad yeah

And regardless there are still guards at the door during the recess.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

... If I proceed this text box forward I won't get to see Vigil humping the air towards Caidin anymore and I don't want that to happen.

https://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=NJgVAZ8DUf0
https://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=QGK2vvt2Hic

here you go, remove the spaces

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Also just....fuck, how does that thing even work???

Let's just ignore that they are already inconsistent with what it can do in the game itself, give it that benefit. This thing, based on the visual of the final product in game, creates a perfect cut out of a solid wooden structure, sucks it backwards, adds hinges, and secures it back perfectly in the blink of an eye? This is a funny throway crazy device which is totally fine to find in an AA game, it being in the game is fine. The problem is they took this stupid device and made it the MOST IMPORTANT DECISIVE PIECE OF EVIDENCE IN THE ENTIRE GAME, AS WELL AS THE CENTER OF EMOTIONAL TURMOIL FOR YOUR PARTNER?

It's absolutely embarrassing. As stated, had these not been a package, I probably would have had no faith in GAA2 and Takumi at all and just straight up not bought GAA2, which would have been a tragedy. I thought I would have cooled on how much I hated that piece of evidence but I have not and likely never will. It makes me feel just as angry as the ending shit on the beach in Death Stranding. I may actually hate G1 more than I liken G2.

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GTM posted...

https://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=NJgVAZ8DUf0
https://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=QGK2vvt2Hic

here you go, remove the spaces

Thank you for this.

I think my favorite animations in the final case were definitely everything around Sholmes. The dancing Sholmes hologram was incredible, but I am a sucker for the feet tapping Mikotaba. That entire section with him and Sholmes was wonderful.

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I loved GAA2-5 but I never think anything in a game is obvious. I never know when it's "the most logical thing makes it obvious" or when it's "this is what we're hinting to be the most logical, so we'll throw some magic or voodoo or bad writing"

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> Thank you for this.

I'm sad I didnt let it run the full 30 seconds

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

That entire section with him and Sholmes was wonderful.

It was very easy, but it just felt sooo satisfying

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Dangit GTM the videos are private!

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GTM posted...

It was very easy, but it just felt sooo satisfying

That's why it was so good! Sholmes not putting on a front, knowing there's no reason to with Mikotaba. Mikotaba himself is great in this chapter. I would love to see more from them.

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youtubing is hard, fixed

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GTM posted...

youtubing is hard, fixed

Perfection.

Animation in general were real on point for these games. Like as much as I hate 1-5, what's their name (literally don't remember) was a joy to see move.

Actual breakdowns were....mixed? Some of them weren't great but there were for sure some good ones. Obviously the last one was incredible. I still think 5 has the best breakdowns easy.

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I am more excited to finish the second game so I can read those black bars than I am excited to beat the game for the game itself

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Mac Arrowny posted...

G2-5 opinions:

This is maybe the worst case in the series? It's not necessarily as bad moment to moment as some of the really trash cases, but the effect is has on everything that built up to it makes it hit so much harder. It was incredibly obvious Kazuma's dad would be innocent, and also disappointing, since him being guilty was one of the things that made 2-3 interesting. Once G2-3 was over, I'd had enough of the stuff from 10 years ago, so everything that focused on that part was a waste of time. Jigoku was cool, but also obviously guilty from the moment he appears in England (though it seems not everyone realized this?). I hated prosecutor Kazuma and the very concept of him was stupid. The cherry on the shit sandwich was Holmes's ridiculous hologram thing at the end, which not only is really stupid, but they also waste a ton of time explaining how it works. Way worse than anything in AJ.

The hologram thing could easily just be handwaved as for the player's benefit to make the finale more visually appealing while in-universe it was just a microphone since that doesn't change anything.
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G2-5 opinions

I thought it was a fantastic case but to each their own!

GiftedACIII posted...

The hologram thing could easily just be handwaved as for the player's benefit to make the finale more visually appealing while in-universe it was just a microphone since that doesn't change anything.

Don't you take shadow dancing Sholmes away from me.

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That's the opposite of what he said...
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Friend live messaging me through 1-5 and I didn't even know he was playing through this until a few hours ago.

He is going through all the same motions as me so far, lol.

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Finished GAA2. I think it's a monumental achievement. So impressive. I honestly thought Takumi didn't have it in him anymore. All the high reviews make sense.

In terms of "tight murder mysteries" and challenging puzzles these games might be disappointments, but the pathos/characterization/humor is pitch perfect and top tier AA to me. Like I definitely get people's complaints about GA1-4 (for sure) and GA1-5 (to a lesser extent). Its really hard for me to take issue with GA2-5 though. It goes a bit long but that's about it. All of the murders do require suspension of disbelief and some willingness to ignore strict logic in order to serve the narrative, so yeah, I get it.

One thing though: if stuff like the cat-flap-o-rat and the hologram stuff bothers you, then I understand. Normally I'd be with you. Like if this stuff showed up in Danganronpa I'd groan. But for some reason it works for me, because of how well Sholmes is written as a character.Again, I get it though.

The only thing that prevents me from calling this my second favorite game in the series are the annoyingly cartoony witness/jury characters. I know the series has always had the occasional weird looking NPC but there's a weird children's book aesthetic here that's been carried over from PLvsAA that I just find distasteful. Both of the GA games are also way too easy. Anyway, "story-wise" GA2 is probably the best game in the series since T&T, but when I factor gameplay in it drops it down to maybe fourth overall in the power rankings. GA1 is weaker, but I would still rank it over AJ, DD, and the Edgeworth games(yes, both of them).

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I don't get the low rank for DD which is my #1 (can't speak for I2), but otherwise I agree with a lot of that.

I never got into the juries in this game at all, definitely a huge negative. The very last just was totally solid both in mechanics and meaningful presence. Everything before that was just annoying.

I really don't think the hologram and catbox are on the same level, though. One's a visual gag that's not really effecting anything and is pretty dang funny. The other is a fundamental core piece of case evidence that completely falls apart and damages the narrative.

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I don't think either one is a problem. They're both silly things that are somehow used in a serious way in typical AA fashion.

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Game rankings: 3 > 6 > G2 > 2 > 1 > E2 > 5 > G1 > LvW > E1 > 4 is where I fall currently but I reserve the right to change my mind in the future

Although my feelings are probably better expressed with tiers, since the top 5 are all really close for me.

Great: 1, 2, 3, 6, G2
Good: 5, E2
Fun, but flawed: G1, LvW
Not that fun: 4, E1

UshiromiyaEva posted...

I don't get the low rank for DD which is my #1 (can't speak for I2), but otherwise I agree with a lot of that.

I never got into the juries in this game at all, definitely a huge negative. The very last just was totally solid both in mechanics and meaningful presence. Everything before that was just annoying.

I really don't think the hologram and catbox are on the same level, though. One's a visual gag that's not really effecting anything and is pretty dang funny. The other is a fundamental core piece of case evidence that completely falls apart and damages the narrative.

I won't belabor the point because like I said I totally get the complaints but I feel like the game going out of its way to show you wagahai going through the cat door on no fewer than 2 occasions is enough of a "plant" to make it not feel like a "total" asspull. It's obviously completely absurd on multiple levels, but I guess I just don't care? Like to me this is not all that different than and even preferable to somebody showing up with a book on "evidence law" at the very last minute and objecting on those grounds

DD doesn't click with me for whatever reason. I like 5-3 and the DLC case a lot. I think I dislike how 5-1 and 5-4 don't feel like their own cases by the end of the game (and just parts of 5-5).I also think every single culprit in DD sucks (again 5-DLC is an exception) which might be my main problem now that I think about it.

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My only issue with G1-5 the cat door thing is that I'm PRETTY sure the game lies to you. I am pretty sure that door had like a handle on it and was clearly not a cat door in the cutscene. Other than that, I thought it was an absolutely brilliant twist.

Paratroopa1 posted...

My only issue with G1-5 the cat door thing is that I'm PRETTY sure the game lies to you. I am pretty sure that door had like a handle on it and was clearly not a cat door in the cutscene. Other than that, I thought it was an absolutely brilliant twist.

The door definitely has a handle on it, but it's also the only cat door we see from that side. I guess it's possible it makes them all that way, for some reason...? But either way, I agree with you. It was a great Susato moment.

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Paratroopa1 posted...

My only issue with G1-5 the cat door thing is that I'm PRETTY sure the game lies to you. I am pretty sure that door had like a handle on it and was clearly not a cat door in the cutscene. Other than that, I thought it was an absolutely brilliant twist.

the outrage over handlegate is what caused them to not have anime cutscenes in GA2 obviously

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colliding posted...

I think I dislike how 5-1 and 5-4 don't feel like their own cases by the end of the game

But you don't have a problem with GAA2-4 (along with other GAA cases) not feeling like their own cases...?
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