Board 8 > The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles Review Zone

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Leonhart4 posted...

Confess the Truth plays in every case, but it's definitely used more sparingly than other games.

If it played in 5-3 and 5-6 and I forgot I'd be ashamed since those were my favorite cases in the game.
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I actually don't think it plays in 5-3, but I would love to see a video proving that wrong. Don't know about 5-6 but I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't play there either

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It's been a while since I've played DD, so I can't pinpoint the exact moments, but I remember listening for it one time because of people saying it barely plays.

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I just wanna make sure, there's no way to play DD and AJ without a DS other than mobile right now, right?

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Emulator, mobile, and DS/3DS are your four options.
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Oh I'm fine with mobile, just wanted to make sure there wasn't some console version planned. I played SoJ on mobile and it was honestly a better experience than DS.

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AA4-6 Switch ports were listed in that Capcom leak last year, I think, but it definitely hasn't been announced.

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4-6 collection was planned for 2022-2025 in the Capcom leak IIRC.
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GA2-3 dialogue spoilers:

I WAS DIDDLED! I WAS FIDDLED!
BY THE PAIR OF THEM!
By Asman!

legendary quote. I just got to it and had to mention it.


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GAA2-3 is incredibly good. Really really good.

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Only just finished 2-3's investigation and already this is fantastic. It's astounding how much every single second of this game is so much better than the first one.

It would REALLY have to shit the bed to not be a good AA game at this point.

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I am so fucking invested in the slow build of this core mystery behind the game and its many facets.

I would be SOOOO pissed if I had wiki dived this series back when it was never coming out.

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I only started the second case of the second game but yes
All the buildup of a conspiracy is interesting and hype. If it turns out to be a ruse I will be mad

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finished 2-3

this game rules

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Now into 2-5. This game is easily among the best in the series.

The tricky thing is how to judge it and GAA1, since in some ways the two should be considered together. Combined it'll probably end up in behind AA3 and AA6, but by itself GAA2 is probably second only to AA3 in my books.

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It really feels like GAA1 is just the first half of one super long AA, game, complete with not exceeding any of the stakes of the first half of any AA game. Then GAA2 gets the unfair advantage of being like one big climax. Again, thus far, but I can't imagine things slowing down with cases 4 and 5 have those titles cards on the menu.

2-1 is just astoundingly better than 1-1, actually feels like a concise first case with a neat twist for the setup...and relies on the drawn out and at times frustrating 1-1 to have impact.

2-2 is basically 1-4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo, and is MILES ahead of that dog shit case....but COMPLETELY relies on 1-4's terrible existence.

And then 2-3 so far feels like it's almost final case potential during this second investigation phase in in now, but I know we're just at the halfway point.

Quite the conundrum trying to split the games apart...


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ROFL at second game's case 5 right after the first part of the trial. if you choose the mouse trap you get Yujin Mikotoba going Chu chu! The mental imagery of that is absolutely priceless
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loved that, screenshotted it lol

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Ok, so I'm at the "supper" part right after that segment. It's probably not the full story but (major 2nd game finale spoilers up to here of course) If Kazuma was really one of the assassins then that means he went against and had his own colleague thrown in jail.
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Trial day 2 for 2-3 and it's great, but lol is this the shallowest cause of a summation session yet.

Van Zieks: Man that shit just sounds wack, don't you agree fam?

Jury: Yeah that's wack. GUILTY!

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G2-3 spoilers

Juror 6 said that Sithe's maiden name was Stevens. I noticed that Windibank's autopsy report (and maybe Mason's too) were done by a Dr. Stevens. Is that just a coincidence, or did Sithe just get married?

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Mewtwo59 posted...

G2-3 spoilers

Juror 6 said that Sithe's maiden name was Stevens. I noticed that Windibank's autopsy report (and maybe Mason's too) were done by a Dr. Stevens. Is that just a coincidence, or did Sithe just get married?

Could be her father or brother, I guess. Maybe it's a family business!

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That's interesting since they changed the name in the localization but they made sure to change both of those to the same thing.

Wonder if they had some kind of insider input on that one or they just noticed too and were covering their bases

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2-3, what I assume is right before the ending of the trial based on the music ramping.

MAN the thing about the bloodatain's orientation was not an easy one to figure out. The positioning of the stabbing was not in my head at all.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

2-3, what I assume is right before the ending of the trial based on the music ramping.

MAN the thing about the bloodatain's orientation was not an easy one to figure out. The positioning of the stabbing was not in my head at all.

Yeah that was definitely the hardest cross-examination in the game for me. I also interpreted her pause before the cause of death to mean that the statement about the cause of death is what I should be focusing on, which didn't help.

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Yep, did the same exact thing.

Which, I mean, it WAS, but that's not the actual EVIDENCE needed at the time.

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hombad46 posted...

Yeah that was definitely the hardest cross-examination in the game for me. I also interpreted her pause before the cause of death to mean that the statement about the cause of death is what I should be focusing on, which didn't help.

The actual reasoning was wrong but I got it on the first try because she gives you two different amendments to her testimony so you know it's one of those. I actually thought that he'd died from the neck trauma but I figured she's lying about where she stabbed Odie Asman. For some reason I thought the lie was that she actually stabbed him at the crystal tower. So when asked what the problem was with the image I picked the broken glass. When that failed, the stab wound was the only other option.
So I had an easy time with it despite completely getting the reasoning wrong.

I feel 2-5 had a harder one with the whole Grouse thing was not listed in any of the descriptions of the evidence. You could only see it if you examine the back of Mikotoba's invitation which I already did when I was first shown it, seemed completely irrelevant by now, and since it was technically a new case even though you first get it in 2-4 you can't normally text skip all the evidence you've already read so I didn't want to reread all the old evidence plus I figured they'd already have written anything significant in updated descriptions.
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Done with 2-3. Just an astoundingly good case for a non finale, even felt finale like at times. Like its being haunted by the ghost of 2-3 past and had to prove itself, lol.

Great pacing, great investigation, great trial, great defendantOK witnesses on day 1, made up for by day 2. Tons of mysteries and intrigue laid out for the future, a constantly shifting solutions and answers to the mysteries of the murder that more often than not did not have obvious answers. Even the JURY was good, never saying shit when it didn't matter actually contributing at some points and being reasonable (other than the actual initiation of the summation examination...just ONE of those by the way).

And the MIRACLE of making Van Zieks very compelling, the man who had been the most nothing, repetitive, bar none worst prosecutor in AA up to this point. A fantastic cliffhanger, a FULLY VOICED AND ANIMATED 3D CUTSCENE?

Easily the best third case which has more weight than it used to. Will clarify that I have not played I2 for obvious reasons, and I do hear I2-3 is very good.

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Oh, and this has been at the back of my mind. I feel like I remember most of the talk from the fan translation players was that the first game was better than the second?? Would be very interested in what drugs they were taking. 2-4 and 2-5 would have to be the worst cases in the entire franchise for this to not be better than GAA1.

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The thing is that 2-5 testimony is more bad design IMO. The description really should've updated to mention the name of the ship instead of just saying it was for a ship, but it didn't and as you said most players probably wouldn't want to re-examine everything that they got in 2-4. Meanwhile the correct answer for the 2-3 one is just that minor of a detail that it's hard to spot.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Oh, and this has been at the back of my mind. I feel like I remember most of the talk from the fan translation players was that the first game was better than the second?? Would be very interested in what drugs they were taking. 2-4 and 2-5 would have to be the worst cases in the entire franchise for this to not be better than GAA1.

Yeah I have no idea why anyone would say G1 > G2.

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It would depend on whether you like the answers to the mysteries or not.

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I am pretty sure I could absolutely despise the answers to the mysteries and this would still be the better game, but we'll see.

The only thing that could flip me is if I have to suffer another fucking hour of dialog talking about stereoscopic images again. I DON'T NEED A MAGIC EYE PUZZLE TO SEE THAT ONE OF THESE PICTURES HAS A FUCKING HOLE IN THE DOOR, ASSHOLES.

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Thankfully they didn't use the stereoscope for that part...!

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I mean they tell you to cross your eyes and everything, I guess they didn't use the actual DEVICE, but it still takes forever before they let you actually present the obvious evidence. A huge problem with GAA1 in general, as I've said, where the game treats you like a moron who needs to be walked through every little thing.

And there's still a handle on that cat door in the anime cutscene, which I will never forgive. You made the lynchpin of your case the dumbest mcguffin bullshit imagineable, maybe the worst in AA history, and you couldn't even keep THAT straight without screwing it up.

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I think the two are pretty close (though GAA2 probably beats it out), but I also liked G1-5 a lot more than you apparently did.

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G1-3 and G1-5 are generally agreed to be good cases from what I've seen, though not everyone agrees.

G2-3 is the best GAA case by a wide margin IMO. I think that might be the consensus, but I could be wrong.
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It took me 4 days to get through G1-5 because I was so bored and was constantly pausing the game to watch something on YouTube and then coming back.

I really hated it....a lot. Easily the worst Final AA case...and I think I'm including I1-5 in there, but it's been a while and I remember that being a major slog at times.

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I will accept G1-3 being pretty good, I think I like it even more in retrospect considering how much pacing was a critical factor of me hating G1, which wasn't and issue with that case at all. I pretty much dislike everything else in the game, though, other than Gina. Sholmes.and the running joke of him looking stupid just off screen. It has a very, very real problem of repetitive character traits that just keep going and going and going. Van Zieks definitely the worst offender in the first game here, I barely even consider him a character at all there.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Trial day 2 for 2-3 and it's great, but lol is this the shallowest cause of a summation session yet.

Van Zieks: Man that shit just sounds wack, don't you agree fam?

Jury: Yeah that's wack. GUILTY!

It's fairly reasonable though

The defense has just accused a highly respected coroner of being accomplice to a murder with the only thing backing his argument of a body double up being a waxwork with a mask on that looks nothing like the victim. Pretty understandable they'd have enough and want to end the trial right there and then.

Also, I just realized that van Zieks has the same VA as Estinien from FFXIV.

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Shadow Dino posted...

It's fairly reasonable though

||The defense has just accused a highly respected coroner of being accomplice to a murder with the only thing backing his argument of a body double up being a waxwork with a mask on that looks nothing like the victim. Pretty understandable they'd have enough and want to end the trial right there and then.||

I'm retrospect yeah, it was actually way more justified than I thought. It was just so understated at the time that it seemed sudden, but when you think back to some of the dumb shit that caused other summations it totally works.

The only questionable thing about that jury is why corn child was there....

Shadow Dino posted...

Also, I just realized that van Zieks has the same VA as Estinien from FFXIV.

THIS is what was nagging at me! I'm so used to all the VAs in AA games being absolute nobody's with soundbites and a few terribly voiced trailer lines.

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They stopped being nobodies in Dual Destinies! Blackquill is literally Troy Baker.

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Really?

Guess it's hard to pick Kanji out from 4 line reads <_<

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I mean, Blackquill and Kanji are at different points on the vocal range!

Pretty much every major VA in Dual Destinies is a well known voice actor. Phoenix Wright is Sam Riegel, Miles Edgeworth is Kyle Hebert, and Athena Cykes is Wendee Lee, for instance.

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Man, I really gotta go back and play DD again. I was hoping we'd get some kind of console announcement soon, but I should probably just pick it and Apollo up on mobile before I play though Trilogy.

Naruhodo and Susato still sound like they got Bill and Mary down in accounting, though.

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I'm sure it'll happen eventually since AAT was a big success for the series in terms of sales, but who knows when they'll actually announce it.

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lol I just remembered a funny assumption I had. (major 2-5 finale spoilers) .When I was still on the first game I was semi-spoiled that one of the villains in DGS2 would have a high body count so I assumed it was due to Vilen Bolshevik bombing the crystal tower. Not only was it referring to the mastermind behind the Reaper (and the Professor), Bolshevik actually is never relevant at all other than being a minor juror.
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Case 4 not pulling any fucking punches, huh??

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Case 4 not pulling any fucking punches, huh??

Yeah it really goes hard

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GiftedACIII posted...

lol I just remembered a funny assumption I had. (major 2-5 finale spoilers) .When I was still on the first game I was semi-spoiled that one of the villains in DGS2 would have a high body count so I assumed it was due to Vilen Bolshevik bombing the crystal tower. Not only was it referring to the mastermind behind the Reaper (and the Professor), Bolshevik actually is never relevant at all other than being a minor juror.

I imagine that's a casualty of reducing from three games to two, unfortunately.

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