Current Events > Football player kills tinder date who was a man, saying they were a woman.

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cjsdowg posted...

No one is saying that you should be able to kill someone for being gay. People are saying that he was not killed for being gay. But (from what has been suggested) that he was killed because he trick to someone into something that he otherwise would not have given consent for. Who here as said that football player should get off ?

Okay, lets say he killed him due to catfishing, completely apart from anything related to sexuality. Then isn't he just a murderer? Since when can you kill someone for catfishing you? People are catfished all day everyday across the planet and very few resort to violence over it.

But people in here are saying that he's not a murder because of the victim's characteristics. Specifically being a man. So they're acknowledging that it wasn't just that he was catfished as we all know that can't justify murder. They're saying it's the fact that he was catfished in this specific way which amounts to rape by deception. Specifically because this was a man that claimed to be a woman and that somehow reduces his culpability.

But that's literally what the gay/trans panic defense is, as I've explained. Reacting with violence to unwanted sexual advances based on the sex/identity of the victim. He reacted that way because of the victim's gender and presumably wouldn't have done that if the victim had lied about being a doctor or a millionaire or being 25.


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Hell, MTV has a whole show about catfishing and every episode doesnt end in a bloodbath. If some random girl had catfished him he wouldnt resort to violence. The main difference here is the stigma against gay and trans people, and how so many are afraid of being seen as such, this person to the point where he felt he had to physically assault this person just to protect his manhood.

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There's a massive elephant in the room that frustratingly never gets acknowledged when it comes to violence towards trans women.

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CRON posted...

There's a massive elephant in the room that frustratingly never gets acknowledged when it comes to violence towards trans women.

Yeah but this is also CE where if a human gets upset in response to things, they get insulted for "being illogical" or whatever.

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legendary_zell posted...

But people in here are saying that he's not a murder because of the victim's characteristics. Specifically being a man. So they're acknowledging that it wasn't just that he was catfished as we all know that can't justify murder. They're saying it's the fact that he was catfished in this specific way which amounts to rape by deception. Specifically because this was a man that claimed to be a woman and that somehow reduces his culpability.

People are saying he is not murderer because he beat someone to death. Most time that is manslaughter. As for the gay panic, you keep saying advances. These where not advances. (from what we bee told) He had relations in a manner where he would not have otherwise had relations . That is all about consent. He didn't kill someone because they came on to him. He kill someone because of consent issue. I don't know why people don't think that is important in this case.


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cjsdowg posted...

That is all about consent. He didn't kill someone because they came on to him. He kill someone because of consent issue.

I have trouble believing he would murder a woman who lied about her age.

And there are plenty of women on dating apps who lie about their age...

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This is definitely a CE topic. Fucking shameful itt

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Criticize the admins on this site? Get a 15 year old account banned.

Defend murder based on anti-lgbt panic? ..

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cjsdowg posted...

People are saying he is not murderer because he beat someone to death. Most time that is manslaughter. As for the gay panic, you keep saying advances. These where not advances. (from what we bee told) He had relations in a manner where he would not have otherwise had relations . That is all about consent. He didn't kill someone because they came on to him. He kill someone because of consent issue. I don't know why people don't think that is important in this case.

Beating someone to death isn't typically murder? That's news to me. I'm going to assume you mean in a fit of rage without premeditation. But the question is why was he in a rage? Because the person didn't fit with his sexuality. He likely wouldn't have been in a rage even if he didn't consent for other reasons like age, job title, wealth, nationality etc.

I've never heard of someone reacting with violence when being tricked on those bases. I've heard countless stories of people reacting with violence when the issue is sexuality specifically. You'll need to explain why reacting with violence when the consent issue regards sexuality vs a different issue is not gay/trans panic.


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Gun literally brought up a dude's dead gf to try and make a point. I don't even agree with him, but God you are such a shitty person.


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Umbreon posted...

I have trouble believing he would murder a woman who lied about her age.

And there are plenty of women on dating apps who lie about their age...

lying about your age is completely different


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What's so difficult about transgenders mentioning they're transgender on their profiles? Sacrifice the lines of guys chasing after you for a much smaller pool of potential dates, it's safer being upfront from the start.

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Imagine bringing up someone's terrible and tragic past events to score points on an Internet forum.

That is disgusting even for here.

thronedfire2 posted...

lying about your age is completely different

How so? It's deception. That's the "reason" the murder happened right? That's why people are claiming the victim shares blame, right?

So using that logic, a woman lying about their age would be "partially to blame" if they were murdered.

Using the logic displayed in this topic. Certainly not "logic" I agree with though.

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legendary_zell posted...

Beating someone to death isn't typically murder? That's news to me. I'm going to assume you mean in a fit of rage without premeditation. But the question is why was he in a rage? Because the person didn't fit with his sexuality. He likely wouldn't have been in a rage even if he didn't consent for other reasons like age, job title, wealth, nationality etc.

I've never heard of someone reacting with violence when being tricked on those bases. I've heard countless stories of people reacting with violence when the issue is sexuality specifically. You'll need to explain why reacting with violence when the consent issue regards sexuality vs a different issue is not gay/trans panic.

You said panic was based on advancements. This goes beyond that. Something lying about their age is not the same as this. To even try to equate the two does a disservice to sexual orientation arguments. I can't believe people are being so flippant about orientation when someone gets tricked into sex. If sexual orientation is being made out to be something trivial in this topic. It is not, it at the core of a person, those other things are not.

And once more, I keep having to make it clear. That does not mean the football players should have killed that guy. Two things can be wrong as the same time. They football player was far worse in his wrongness. But being fool into something is also wrong.


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TLDR; Guy gets raped by deception and then kills his attacker

Was he charged for a hate crime?

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cjsdowg posted...

If sexual orientation is being made out to be something trivial in this topic

It isn't.

But if the issue is being tricked, why wouldn't someone lying about their age be on the same level? It's deception. Some people don't want to fuck someone of a certain age, and if they were lied to about that...

But that's different because reasons?

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cjsdowg posted...

You said panic was based on advancements. This goes beyond that. Something lying about their age is not the same as this. To even try to equate the two does a disservice to sexual orientation arguments. I can't believe people are being so flippant about orientation when someone gets tricked into sex. If sexual orientation is being made out to be something trivial in this topic. It is not, it at the core of a person, those other things are not.

And once more, I keep having to make it clear. That does not mean the football players should have killed that guy. Two things can be wrong as the same time. They football player was far worse in his wrongness. But being fool into something is also wrong.

How is that argument different from the gay panic one? It seems like what you're doing is twisting the idea that sexual orientation should be respected, something that LGBT people have fought for, and using it to explain why something that would otherwise be murder isn't because LGBT people are involved.

Lying about age is not considered the same because people hate LGBT people or being perceived as gay way more than they hate old or young people. That's what it comes down to.

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Umbreon posted...

It isn't.

But if the issue is being tricked, why wouldn't someone lying about their age be on the same level? It's deception. Some people don't want to fuck someone of a certain age, and if they were lied to about that...

But that's different because reasons?

Let's go with this logic. Sexual orientation is only as important as the the age range that someone will date.


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cjsdowg posted...

Let's go with this logic. Sexual orientation is only as important as the the age range that someone will date.

How many times have you heard someone being murdered for being younger/older than they initially claimed they were?

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Umbreon posted...

How many times have you heard someone being murdered for being younger/older than they initially claimed they were?

So you are admitting that Sexual orientation is not as much as write off as someone's age ?

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Why is CE so obsessed with making straight dudes date transwomen?

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cjsdowg posted...

So you are admitting that Sexual orientation is not as much as write off as someone's age ?

I'm saying that if you're implying that "deception" places part of the blame on the victim, then shouldn't lying about ones age also result in deranged murders?

For that matter, what about lying about ones social status? Is one allowed to become momentarily disgusted at having fucked a poor person they went crazy and murdered them?

Or... is there perhaps a different reason that people are trying to lift blame off this murderer?

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Shezarr posted...

Criticize the admins on this site? Get a 15 year old account banned.

Defend murder based on anti-lgbt panic? ..

https://streamable.com/61f0x

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Artemis86 posted...

Imagine bringing up someone's terrible and tragic past events to score points on an Internet forum.

That is disgusting even for here.

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Thats disgusting. I understand maybe being upset or frustrated about being deceived but just leave and move on god damn dude.

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Umbreon posted...

I'm saying that if you're implying that "deception" places part of the blame on the victim, then shouldn't lying about ones age also result in deranged murders?

For that matter, what about lying about ones social status? Is one allowed to become momentarily disgusted at having fucked a poor person they went crazy and murdered them?

Or... is there perhaps a different reason that people are trying to lift blame off this murderer?

I am not suggesting that it was okay. I am pointing out that his consent was broken in major way. You making light of this, suggesting sexual orientation is be classes as income level literally down plays how key of part of person that is.


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gunplagirl posted...

Yeah but this is also CE where if a human gets upset in response to things, they get insulted for "being illogical" or whatever.

getting upset is fine. we all do it because, like you said, we're just human. but when you start replying emotionally instead of logically you should expect to be called out. i've made plenty of dumb posts on here and people call me out for reacting using emotion instead of thinking first. but that's part of what i like about this place.

it's fine to make a stupid comment during periods of intense emotional response. but you should be absorbing the feedback and responding appropriately. admit you were wrong and apologize.


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Look, I have no issue with him being upset. If they did indeed start some sort of sexual relations before he found out then yes, that can be considered rape but in a situation where you clearly are now not only in the know, but seemingly in control, you cant just beat someone to death. If the individual who lied bad Im pinned down and he was defending himself thats one thing. But it sounds like he realized and was able to get away, and even had the upper hand. Just back up, file a report against them, take their ass to court and hope they get locked up.

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hey whatchall talkin about

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Holy shit, gunplagirl said something really fucked up in this topic. Good lord.

You owe that man a sincere apology. Jesus.

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gunplagirl always says fucked up shit, why today be much different?

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Play stupid-
*warned*
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That gunpla comment might be the lowest I've seen somebody stoop here in quite some time. I mean, wow.

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gunplagirl: i'm horrible for amazingly just reasons so fuck you

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Whatd gunplagirl say? I dont really feel Like reading back >_>

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wow trying to trap me into a moderation that's low vipagtas

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TheVipaGTS posted...

Whatd gunplagirl say? I dont really feel Like reading back >_>

Used someone's recently dead girlfriend against them.

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A definite tragedy

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cjsdowg posted...

I am not suggesting that it was okay. I am pointing out that his consent was broken in major way.

And I'm saying that does not, in any way, make the murderer less guilty for their response. Where as there are people making the argument that it wasn't entirely their fault.

cjsdowg posted...

You making light of this, suggesting sexual orientation is be classes as income level literally down plays how key of part of person that is.

I'm not "making light" of things. People are suggesting that the murder was due to 'deception', I'm just pointing out that other ways of deception almost never results in a murder.

So why are people trying to justify this one?

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Funkydog posted...

Used someone's recently dead girlfriend against them.

Oof.

The Trent posted...

wow trying to trap me into a moderation that's low vipagtas

And I would have gotten away with it too if it werent for you meddling kids.

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No justification but if youre trans, you should definitely disclose that before any sex happens.

as well as incurable STDs

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Itt a woman being older than she says she is is the same as a person you believe to be female having a penis

Woooow. That's an interesting one.

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Dreepapult posted...

Itt a woman being older than she says she is is the same as a person you believe to be female having a penis

Woooow. That's an interesting one.

Its not the same but the same logic applies. What if someone morally didnt want to be with someone x years younger than them and someone lies to them about it. Is that still not rape by deception, as they wouldnt have done it if they knew the real age? And if that person got mad and illogically beat the person to death does that not follow the same pattern here? Where should the line be drawn, and why should anything sex related even have a line where its ok to lie?

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I'm going to be a lot more upset if a lady has a penis than not being her actual age...

Not saying I'd turn to violence as that doesn't solve anything. But I'd be pretty fucking pissed

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Dreepapult posted...

I'm going to be a lot more upset if a lady has a penis than not being her actual age...

Not saying I'd turn to violence as that doesn't solve anything. But I'd be pretty fucking pissed

Sure. No one said you couldn't be pissed.

But if you killed that person for either of those reasons, you'd still be a murderer.

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