Current Events > Football player kills tinder date who was a man, saying they were a woman.

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awesome999 posted...

Why should you not be honest with your date?
Anyone who does this should rot in jail, of course, but why not be honest about your gender?

In which you ask several successive loaded questions.

Rather than wasting my time on this, I could be watching paint dry. At least it won't try and paint LGBT people as sexual predators. Pun not intended.

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I dont even want to argue about the fact if he knew or not. It just downplays the fact that hes out on bail for MURDER.

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FarFromFields posted...

Or maybe just don't be ashamed of having a relationship with a transgender person. It's 2021 ffs.

It's not a matter of being ashamed, it's a matter of personal choice
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FarFromFields posted...

Or maybe just don't be ashamed of having a relationship with a transgender person. It's 2021 ffs.

Odd.. I don't think anyone would say the same thing if a gay person was catfished into having relations with a women.

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justaguy3492 posted...

I call out barbaric ideas when I see em. Sorry that upsets you.

A barbaric sentence for a barbaric series of actions.

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There was no reason to kill over this, be angry and sue them but never should it result in death.

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gunplagirl posted...

Hey that's great, you can have that opinion but dont clutch your fucking pearls when others who think this crime is utterly inexcusable feel differently.

But its ok for you to do it even though the victim has a troubled history in the town? Possibly drugging many others and cat fishing hundreds.

Look, I understand this subject is incredibly emotional for you. But the victim wasnt a good person. Just because the victim identified as LGBTQ+ doesnt mean he can do whatever he wants. Likewise, just because the player for cat fished, doesnt mean he can beat the shit out of someone so bad that they die because of beating.

Its a sad situation thats more gray than the black/white that CE is trying and will make it out to be.
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FarFromFields posted...

Or maybe just don't be ashamed of having a relationship with a transgender person. It's 2021 ffs.

Nope. Not my personal preference. I'll interact with and accept whoever I want into my own personal life and I shouldn't make acceptions just because it's "2021". ffs what kind of bullshit is that?

gunplagirl posted...

In which you ask several successive loaded questions.

Rather than wasting my time on this, I could be watching paint dry. At least it won't try and paint LGBT people as sexual predators. Pun not intended.

How big of you, avoiding answering legit questions
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FarFromFields posted...

law

i mean its rape. Rape by deception. It has an exact term. Still doesnt involve murder.

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justaguy3492 posted...

Definitely a hate crime, definitely one of the most heinous ways to kill someone, still doesn't justify the use of the death penalty imo.

The murderer is an animal and deserves to rot in a cage until they're body withers and dies then. Acceptable?

You can be against the death penalty, fine but the state of Virginia isn't opposed.

A person was murdered by another who used their bare-hands, no weapons to kill them.

According to the county medical examiner, Smith died from blunt force trauma to the head. Prosecutors said Wednesday that Smith was missing multiple teeth, had multiple skull fractures and every bone in his face had been broken.

Murder is murder and transphobic vestiges have no place in the justice system.

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I can see where he'd be pissed. I'd be pissed too if I got emotionally invested in a woman and they turned out to be lying. Killing is going too far though

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justaguy3492 posted...

Being mad at the murderer doesn't justify the death penalty. Some reactions in here are yikes.

"Killing someone doesn't justify being killed."

Joke post. Agree to disagree but don't "yikes" like some clown.
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awesome999 posted...

How big of you, avoiding answering legit questions

If you think they're legitimate questions, you're too far gone to bother with.

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CultOfPcnality posted...

i mean its rape. Rape by deception. It has an exact term. Still doesnt involve murder.

This, and we need to punish this guy for murder so it cuts down on the likely hood of people killing over this.

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sktgamer_13dude posted...

But its ok for you to do it even though the victim has a troubled history in the town? Possibly drugging many others and cat fishing hundreds.

Look, I understand this subject is incredibly emotional for you. But the victim wasnt a good person. Just because the victim identified as LGBTQ+ doesnt mean he can do whatever he wants. Likewise, just because the player for cat fished, doesnt mean he can beat the shit out of someone so bad that they die because of beating.

Its a sad situation thats more gray than the black/white that CE is trying and will make it out to be.

i usually dont agree with gunla but this shouldnt be a debate. Its not the right thing to do to go and murder the person. This is why we have a process and attorneys and courts. Let them find the other information. They shouldnt have to be dead before then.

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https://reddit.com/r/VirginiaTech/comments/nqtgfd/_/h0dged6/?context=1

Reposting the background of the victim without my commentary in this post, because some people are sensitive and thought I was hand waving away what the player did.

This information needs to be out there. No, he didnt deserve to die or get beat up at all. But he isnt a saint.
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CultOfPcnality posted...

I dont even want to argue about the fact if he knew or not. It just downplays the fact that hes out on bail for MURDER.

I did just check, Virginia banned the gay and trans panic defenses several years ago. So hopefully, the defense his lawyers are trying to go for will be thrown out entirely. Alternatively, they go for it then the jury gets reminded that it's not a defense just prior to them going off to decide on the verdict.

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sktgamer_13dude posted...

https://reddit.com/r/VirginiaTech/comments/nqtgfd/_/h0dged6/?context=1

Reposting the background of the victim without my commentary in this post, because some people are sensitive and thought I was hand waving away what the player did.

This information needs to be out there. No, he didnt deserve to die or get beat up at all. But he isnt a saint.

this is victim blaming at this point. None of that was knowledge before being murdered and beat to death.

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Graycap posted...

"Killing someone doesn't justify being killed."

Joke post. Agree to disagree but don't "yikes" like some clown.

Baby's first take on the death penalty. Sheesh better?

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CultOfPcnality posted...

i usually dont agree with gunla but this shouldnt be a debate. Its not the right thing to do to go and murder the person. This is why we have a process and attorneys and courts. Let them find the other information. They shouldnt have to be dead before then.

Maybe if you finished reading, youd see I agree with you. The football player was in the wrong and deserves a punishment.

He doesnt deserve the death penalty or shit like that. Id probably even go down to manslaughter or something like that instead of actual murder. You have to take into account all the facts and not just what makes your side happier.
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gunplagirl posted...

If you think they're legitimate questions, you're too far gone to bother with.

Get off your high horse and make an argument cause I'm not hearing any

Yes, the victim should've been honest about himself
No, he didn't deserve to get murdered over it
Yes, the murderer should rot in prison
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Yes, someone from the town isnt background info because it goes against the narrative that the football player is a total POS.

Or because it's just some rando on reddit. Like I could literally go on there right now and claim to have gone to high school with the victim and it would be just as credible

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sktgamer_13dude posted...

https://reddit.com/r/VirginiaTech/comments/nqtgfd/_/h0dged6/?context=1

Reposting the background of the victim without my commentary in this post, because some people are sensitive and thought I was hand waving away what the player did.

This information needs to be out there. No, he didnt deserve to die or get beat up at all. But he isnt a saint.

I mean, is it even relevant information to this case though?

Gotta pat you on the back for digging up info at least.
edit: yes, the victim is in fact a notorious creep and a criminal in their own right. Only really changes the optics, not the crime.

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CultOfPcnality posted...

this is victim blaming at this point. None of that was knowledge before being murdered and beat to death.

Oh, so its ok to shit on the kid for his decision, but Im not allowed to bring up the fact that the victim has a local history of DRUGGING PEOPLE AT THE BAR HE WORKS AT and catfishing several others too?

Like, I wouldnt bring it up if it didnt have any weight to the case. The guys history is completely relevant.
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@sktgamer_13dude can you at least add in the word "allegedly" rather than stating it as an admission of genuine fact.

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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Oh, so its ok to shit on the kid for his decision, but Im not allowed to bring up the fact that the victim has a local history of DRUGGING PEOPLE AT THE BAR HE WORKS AT and catfishing several others too?

Like, I wouldnt bring it up if it didnt have any weight to the case. The guys history is completely relevant.

See here's the thing:

The people shitting on the murderer have a corpse as evidence.
You shitting on the victim with unverified, non-vetted Reddit posts as evidence.

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eston posted...

Or because it's just some rando on reddit. Like I could literally go on there right now and claim to have gone to high school with the victim and it would be just as credible

eston posted...

Or because it's just some rando on reddit. Like I could literally go on there right now and claim to have gone to high school with the victim and it would be just as credible

Did you even read the link? Theres more than 1 person posting these stories. I only posted the big chain of posts, but theres more posts in that subreddit about the person.

iirc, I either saw a post or picture of someone saying they have an Uber receipt from the area of the victims house but no memory of ordering said Uber or getting in it at all. If thats not fucking suspicious, idk what to tell you.

And again, so no one can mark this post about me victim-blaming even though Ive been pretty clear in every post, the football player still was not in the right to battery the person. Full stop. Certainly not in the right to battery them until they die of the injuries.
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sktgamer looking like an absolute fool

Yes it is wrong to beat some up, and now hell be charged with manslaughter for this persons death very very very wrong

But it isnt right to lie someone about your gender either, be straightforward and get consent.

Sad and tragic story all around

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Number090684 posted...

And stuff like this is why you should be legally required to be honest with your partner(s) if you made any sort of physical transition.

this is what we call victim blaming

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The persons reputation does not having any bearing on his death in this situation because no drugging of the football player took place, he was just mad at being deceived.

Prior bad acts only matter if they are linked to the current crime, example: the football killer was roofied and was taken advantage of. That did not happen though so his sketchy history does not matter.

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gunplagirl posted...

@sktgamer_13dude can you at least add in the word "allegedly" rather than stating it as an admission of genuine fact.

Then you guys have to say the same thing to the football players crimes. Technically, it is all alleged until found guilty in a court of law.

But to answer your question; no. Ive seen enough stories on the guy that Im certain theyre true. That comment chain isnt the only thing Ive read about the situation.

Again, the player was no where near in the right and deserves a punishment. You cant just beat someone up because theyre not youre preferred gender for sexual relations. You cant beat someone up for catfishing you.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Did you even read the link? Theres more than 1 person posting these stories. I only posted the big chain of posts, but theres more posts in that subreddit about the person.

iirc, I either saw a post or picture of someone saying they have an Uber receipt from the area of the victims house but no memory of ordering said Uber or getting in it at all. If thats not fucking suspicious, idk what to tell you.

And again, so no one can mark this post about me victim-blaming even though Ive been pretty clear in every post, the football player still was not in the right to battery the person. Full stop. Certainly not in the right to battery them until they die of the injuries.

Have you heard about the reddit witch hunt for the Boston marathon bomber? Reddit devolves into a dog pile pretty quick. Not saying all that isn't possible/true, but it's best to exercise skepticism when it comes to reddit.

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ZannoL posted...

sktgamer looking like an absolute fool

Yeah, looking like a fool because I dont want someone out to death for this. Fuck off.
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This topic is funny.

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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Yeah, looking like a fool because I dont want someone out to death for this. Fuck off.

getting unverified facts from Reddit. Were you around to see how that turned out during the Boston Marathon bombings? Cmon now. Im not for the death penalty here either but using Reddit as your source is ignorant. And on the legality side, it would never be used in court.

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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Yeah, looking like a fool because I dont want someone out to death for this. Fuck off.

Yeah that's why

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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Then you guys have to say the same thing to the football players crimes. Technically, it is all alleged until found guilty in a court of law.

I studied journalism in university, if you recall. The murderer admitted to striking and stomping the victim, which ultimately resulted in death. Technically speaking, I'd be pretty clear albeit with an angry editor were I to state it like that in a publication.

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Sounds like rape took place and then in response a murder.

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Garioshi posted...

this is what we call victim blaming

Just edited for you since you're so damned sensitive. Also do you think trans individuals should be honest and tell other people they are about to become sexually involved with about their past? Just curious about how moral you are.

This is what transphobia and stigma against gay people breeds.

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Number090684 posted...

Just edited for you since you're so damned sensitive. Also do you think trans individuals should be honest and tell other people they are about to become sexually involved with about their past? Just curious about how moral you are.

I dunno, do you think people should disclose that they will literally murder you if they find out you're trans?

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justaguy3492 posted...

Have you heard about the reddit witch hunt for the Boston marathon bomber? Reddit devolves into a dog pile pretty quick. Not saying all that isn't possible/true, but it's best to exercise skepticism when it comes to reddit.

And I wouldnt have posted a link to something like that unless I had read stories about the person. If it was a one off post and literally no one backed it up, I wouldnt have posted it. Likely wouldnt have posted in this topic because what else would there be to add at that point.

But its more likely than not that most of the information in that post is true. Again, doesnt mean the guy deserved to get mauled or that the football player doesnt deserve a punishment of some sort, but its not as black/white as CE originally thought when everyone was foaming at the mouth for a death penalty.

Even disregarding my post, the victim likely engaged in rape of some sort as the consent was given because the player assumed it was a female giving him oral sex. Again, doesnt mean he deserved to get beat up, but hes still not a saint in any stretch of imagination, even if you completely disregard that Reddit post.
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Fony posted...

Men have no rights and can't be raped, cis have no rights when in an entanglement with trans. Sorry, that's how it's viewed generally. You have no right to know, you have no right to reject them after finding out. You must continue to engage sexually or else you're fobic.

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@sktgamer_13dude What don't you understand about the fact that the murderer likely didn't have any of the information you're talking about here? Whether it's true or false. You can't be justified in acting information you don't have. And you can't be justified in hurting a random person just because it later turns out they were a bad person.

Also, this topic is full of victim blaming and gay/trans panic bs. Do better, CE.

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/crsj/publications/member-features/gay-trans-panic-defense/

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Wii_Shaker posted...

Did the victim actively catfish the murderer?

In a sense, it's a possibility. If the victim identified as a woman and the suspect only agreed to meeting because he believed the victim was a biological woman...yeah, that is technically catfishing. IMO it should never warrant murder. However, it's a situation that is very well known for leading to extreme reactions, including violence. While that does not excuse the violent reactions, intentionally tip-toeing around full disclosure during sexual encounters has always been playing with fire...

The prior meeting supposedly only involved oral sex on the suspect. If the victim was able to pass convincingly enough as a woman up close that the suspect was unable to detect it was another man, oral sex could have been performed without suspicion or incident. It's entirely feasible that the suspect was convinced he was engaging in oral sex with someone he believed was a woman during the previous encounter and had a emotional meltdown when he found out that was not the case on their next meeting. It's not an unheard of scenario in communities with people who present differently than their biological sex.

Last time I checked, men who are seriously not interested in homosexual encounters and specifically only want cis-gender female partners typically get intensely upset after finding out they got "conned" into engaging with someone who doesn't qualify. Naturally finding out that they just received a sexual favor during what they later considered a deception will generally escalate this even further. Some men might even jump to the conclusion that they had been raped due to the presumed blurred lines of consent. That can easily become an emotional powder keg...

I'm a gay dude, so this "trap" controversy does not hit a personal note for me. There's usually 101 easily spotted red flags for determining whether or not a hook up is another cis gender homosexual male. The truth comes out quicker between gay men. And, frankly, a rudimentary blowjob for us is rarely worth a callback. But for a thirsty straight guy who's convinced he won the lottery after finding someone he thinks is a pretty woman/potential girlfriend who doesn't shy away from BJs...yeah, he might call "her" back if he's convinced she's the real deal. And this story sounds like another case of how that can turn horribly wrong.


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TheVipaGTS posted...

This is what transphobia and stigma against gay people breeds.

Yep. Both the murder and all these posts saying that it was rape without any evidence of the interactions between both parties.

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TheVipaGTS posted...

This is what transphobia and stigma against gay people breeds.

Refusing to be romantically involved with a trans person isn't transphobia
Especially when the trans person was actually a gay man according to the reports
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