Board 8 > Hearthstone Topic - Buffs, Nerfs, and Quilboars! Oh My!

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azuarc posted...

I don't have enough experience with Lich because I literally pick against her every time, but my impression of her is that it's like playing wrath weaver demons -- you're paying health for an early bump, but you're out of the game with one bad loss.

Spoilers with pretty much every hero you're out with one bad loss, especially if mechs are out (They're the only one with a viable low tier strat)

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The difference is with lich you get unlucky and can like just lose all your leverage because you basically have a dead hero power after that.

With other heroes even if you lose a couple of rounds because you power leveled you maintain leverage if your hero is at least average.

VeryInsane posted...

Spoilers with pretty much every hero you're out with one bad loss, especially if mechs are out (They're the only one with a viable low tier strat)

There's a difference between taking 25 when it's the only damage you've taken or even ~10 incremental at the beginning...and taking 25 after damaging yourself for 18.

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https://playhearthstone.com/en-us/news/23684161/20-4-2-patch-notes

In addition to banning the one guy from wild, Flattusk got nerfed and Kangor is going to tier 5.

I dunno how I feel about the last one, tier 6 discovers will suck less but a good deathrattle mech build can scam the hell out of a lobby if built early

(Also I feel like the early stuff with Lich makes her fine anyway, most heroes with early initiative I feel dont have much of a hero power late game anyway. Whether its Rat King or KaelThas or Afk, not much of a difference ideal curve is something like level and buy turn 4, buy 3 turn 5, level and buy turn 6 and then figure out what to do 7 onward.

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Oh yeah well I'm almost at...4000!
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Tavern Brawl. I'm playing:

Power Word: Glory
Renew
Mind Blast
Palm Reading

Opponent is playing:

Forbidden Shaping
Light of the Naaru
Power Word: Glory
Resurrect

They ban Mind Blast, I ban the mystery choice which ends up being Forbidden Shaping. This is the Priest mirror in its ultimate form.

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I'm surprised the opponent stuck it out, honestly. His only win condition was me whiffing enough on my 20 discovers so he could win in fatigue with however many Naaru tokens he could get in his hand, which wouldn't have been many with all of the dead copies Resurrect and PWG.

Edit: That said, we were eventually able to dump all of our copies of PWG even though I still couldn't attack him.

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Rogue with pogos and an actual three-card combo. Easy.

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I went with murloc shaman for the quick pack.

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Having a bad stretch of losses and then switching to a deck that's built solely to grind out an achievement or two and has no business actually winning games, and then winning games with it, is a nice hit to the deck-building ego.

It's an even bigger hit when it's happened three times in the last week to me. No one is ready for Reduce-The-Cost-Of-Beasts Druid, Freeze-And-Destroy Mage and Invigorating-Sermon-Plus-28-Minions-That-Mostly-Add -Tokens-To-Your-Hand-And-Oh-Yeah-Prince-Malchezaar Paladin.

My Paladin archetype name is too long for Gamefaqs...

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Theres nothing that feels kinda oppressive but I feel the meta is pretty stagnant right now

if they nerf anything its probably Apotheosis and Inquisitor right

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I really doubt anything gets nerfed the rest of this expansion, but if I had to pick the most likely choice if it were to happen it would be Inquisitor. Also, OTK Druid seems like a bad deck, but it definitely fits into that solitaire, unfun to play against style of deck that gets hit occasionally.

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What does otk druid use? I don't know if I ran into that yet (currently just hit gold 5) but I did run into this weird "Set all cards to 1 cost" big druid deck
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You play Celestial, and then next turn you play Anacondra/Auctioneer and draw/play your entire deck, including C'thun.

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Inquisitor was fine but Demon Hunter had a really good wailing caverns set (Felrattler is the second best card behind the primordial dungeoneer and the ooze is a 3 mana shredder basically) to help you get there and the NZoth buff lets you just play 3 and mow over everyone. Like I think even making it a 7/7 would make it playable, idk

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I think I've seen Illucia played once in 2021.

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For how bad of a deck Spell Mage is supposed to be I'm pretty sure my winrate is less than 20% no matter what deck I play against it. And that's even after all of the nerfs!

I wouldn't mind seeing a nerf to Apexis Blast honestly but I doubt many people feel the same.

Edit: Who am I kidding the real problem is Incanter's Flow.

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skullbone posted...

For how bad of a deck Spell Mage is supposed to be I'm pretty sure my winrate is less than 20% no matter what deck I play against it. And that's even after all of the nerfs!

I wouldn't mind seeing a nerf to Apexis Blast honestly but I doubt many people feel the same.

Edit: Who am I kidding the real problem is Incanter's Flow.

Yeah, I still lose a ton to it. Feels bad to see them generate complete bullshit while Im here trying to play honest Rush Warrior

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I feel like Mage just gets pressured too easily now, Paladin was really good at shutting down those board centric aggro decks but now that its out of the meta the mage counters (Hunter/Druid/Shaman kinda now) just eat the mage up

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GANON1025 posted...

honest Rush Warrior

*snerk*

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So apparently in battlegrounds, having an amalgam of some type doesn't count as all types for the purpose of amalgadon? I had 1 amalgadon already and played another one and it only adapted twice. That's not the interaction I would expect just going off the wording of the text.
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Each amalgadon can only provide one type.

So if you have all beasts and 1 amalgadon, you have two types for the next amalgadon.

If you have 2 beasts, a quillboar and an amalgadon, you effectively have 3 types, etc.

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it was more intuitive when the buff cards gave "+2/+2 to a Beast, Dragon and Murloc".



Y'know, back before they replaced them with the jugs/mugs.

If you had 0 of those types filled and played the buff card you would get nothing, of course.

And if you had 1 amalgam and neither of the others then it would get +2/+2. It would be pretty busted if it got +6/+6 every time by being able to fulfill 3 conditions at once. Instead it just becomes 1 tribe that isn't already present on the board for something like that.

And this was back before Dragons were added, so you would often have a beast (hydra), and two Amalgams to get the most out of those cards.

It's understandably less intuitive now that they have a LOT more tribes and you don't see as clearly how it's interactions track from the early days of the game mode.

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Emeraldegg posted...

I had 1 amalgadon already and played another one and it only adapted twice. That's not the interaction I would expect just going off the wording of the text.

So you were expecting it to adapt an infinite number of times, into a 999/999 divine shield, poisonous, taunt? (FYI, even in a circumstance where there would be an infinite loop, game mechanics stop at 30 cycles.)

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azuarc posted...

So you were expecting it to adapt an infinite number of times, into a 999/999 divine shield, poisonous, taunt? (FYI, even in a circumstance where there would be an infinite loop, game mechanics stop at 30 cycles.)

No I was expecting it to adapt once each for all of the minion types an amalgadon represents, which for any given game is 5, since in my mind I control 5 different types of minions since amalgadon is all of them.

Ftr I don't have an issue with them limiting the card in this way since as FD said, it would be busted if you could give an amalgam +6/+6 every time, especially with lightfang running around, my issue is that I don't think the wording lines up with how the card works.
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Emeraldegg posted...

which for any given game is 5

Ah, but you can get the lightfang bonus on SIX different minions if you have the 5 tribes represented in that game, and an Amalgam. It simply represents one of the non represented tribes and results in an extra bonus.

Now this tends to not be practical because then your board is locked, but if you are using a hero that allows you to pick a minion up off your board (see: Jandice) then you can still play battlecry minions while getting a +12/+12 effect from lightfang every turn.

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Well then if we're being literal about it then I'd have expected the amalgam to adapt 8 times since it's not like the other 3 types just cease to exist just because they aren't played that game.
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Technically amalgam is creature types not in BGs as well.

It is in fact always a totem.

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I was going to mention the totem thing. The original text of Nightmare Amalgam specified all the tribes it belonged to.

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I've been stuck at Diamond 2 for the past 2 weeks trying anything I can think of but I think it's just not meant to be this month.

I'm starting to run into ridiculous 1 off decks like stealer of souls Warlock and some weird spell druid that plays new Malygos. I was about to beat a pretty standard elemental shaman and then he dropped Bru'kan into dunk tank out of nowhere.

Maybe I'll just try face hunter tomorrow all day and see how it goes.

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I actually went 12-0 with deathrattle DH from like D5 to D1 but I got discouraged after losing back to D3 so I've been mixing it up since then.

Face Hunter is actually working pretty well right now so I think I can get it done tomorrow.

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The silver ranks in wild at this time of the month contain more people playing standard exclusive decks than not.

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Legend with Face Hunter done! The Rinling Rifle tip was actually pretty useful because I always knew it was a good card but I didn't put THAT much stock into it. Like I was never sad to draw it but I didn't think it made such an impact. It definitely won me a few games just from the 3/3 secret and from snake trap.

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Hunter's secrets are situational, so getting the oppportunity to discover them is very good.

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The card I question the most in face Hunter is Barak kodobane I personally dont have it , and I dont think I miss it?

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GANON1025 posted...

The card I question the most in face Hunter is Barak kodobane I personally dont have it , and I dont think I miss it?

So the best reason to have it right now is Mankrik, since you draw the wife for free. But like, thinning your deck out is pretty awesome, since you dont want your cheap spells and instead want like, your rhinos

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Thats just how casts when drawn always worked though

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This is just how Priest finishes games.



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New Expansion announced on July 1st

https://playhearthstone.com/en-us/news/23685043/expansion-reveal-stream-coming-july-1-and-a-note-on-mercenaries

Also mercenaries pushed back to Fall

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