Board 8 > [VGMC] Video Game Music Contest 15 announcement!! Noms are 4/15!!

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azuarc
04/04/21 10:22:18 AM
#51:


Extra time probably wouldn't matter for me. I just get fatigued after a certain volume and start skimming for familiar tracks.

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DoctorJimmy133
04/04/21 10:47:08 AM
#52:


banshiryuu posted...
This is one of the big things I was worried about seeing from a lot of people ^^;; Is it the increase in amount in general or if there was a longer time period submissions were open would you be more likely to listen to more noms?
I think there's a few things that could manage this. Longer nomination period would help, or maybe restrict these added 10 nominations to supports instead of new nominations. I'm not familiar with what proportion of nominations tend to be supports vs. introducing a new nom though, or how much of the nominated field gets into the contest.

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th3l3fty
04/04/21 10:59:12 AM
#53:


banshiryuu posted...
I think the difference we have here is that you see it as a redone soundtrack as you said, while I see it as the original tracks, that were then put into a lower quality due to system constraints. So if the original soundtrack uses those pre-compression versions, then that's what is intended to be listened to without actually deviating from what the game's version sounds like too much.

this sounds to me like you're ascribing intent without any real evidence that the intent exists
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xp1337
04/04/21 3:26:56 PM
#54:


banshiryuu posted...
This is one of the big things I was worried about seeing from a lot of people ^^;; Is it the increase in amount in general or if there was a longer time period submissions were open would you be more likely to listen to more noms?
I'll surely make the attempt either way it's just it's gonna be hell lol. Like azuarc, there definitely is a point where the sheer volume seems to crush me and I beg for it to end so volume is what concerns me more, the time period is just a major pressure cooker it's being thrown in. I've managed to listen to all the noms for the past... I dunno how many contests but I would put the odds at extremely high I break under this pressure. i might still accomplish it but the person coming out of it will be different than the one who came in lol.

banshiryuu posted...
I hope this doesn't come across as condescending I'm trying to be reassuring that we've thought of the leftover gray areas but I don't know if it worked at all LOL
Not condescending, don't worry. I understand what you're saying, we just happen to disagree, that's all.

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pyresword
04/04/21 5:22:28 PM
#55:


One other thought is that if you want to have 30 noms instead of 20, you might consider doing noms in 3 tiers instead of 2. ie. Day 1 you allow 5 noms; day 2 you open it up to 15 or 20 for everyone, and then day 3 you open up whatever nominations people have left. Or some other scheme like that idk.

If a lot of people are worried about 20 vs 30 noms being the difference between listening to everything and not, then this would at least allow everyone to have most of their noms listened to and to prioritize them if they have ones they care more about. I guess the trade off is that making rules complicated is generally bad if there isn't a good reason and I don't know if this is a good enough reason.
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DoctorJimmy133
04/04/21 5:47:36 PM
#56:


pyresword posted...
One other thought is that if you want to have 30 noms instead of 20, you might consider doing noms in 3 tiers instead of 2. ie. Day 1 you allow 5 noms; day 2 you open it up to 15 or 20 for everyone, and then day 3 you open up whatever nominations people have left. Or some other scheme like that idk.

If a lot of people are worried about 20 vs 30 noms being the difference between listening to everything and not, then this would at least allow everyone to have most of their noms listened to and to prioritize them if they have ones they care more about. I guess the trade off is that making rules complicated is generally bad if there isn't a good reason and I don't know if this is a good enough reason.

Only problem with this is that if there are too many noms, people could just choose listen to everybody's first five noms, then if time permits everybody's 6-10th noms etc. to spread the love around without complicating things with rules.

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NFUN
04/04/21 5:48:38 PM
#57:


DoctorJimmy133 posted...
Only problem with this is that if there are too many noms, people could just choose listen to everybody's first five noms, then if time permits everybody's 6-10th noms etc. to spread the love around without complicating things with rules.
that is definitely something that anybody would do

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DoctorJimmy133
04/04/21 6:10:53 PM
#58:


It is not the place of the tournament organizers to repress the individual liberty of the VGMC populace's nomination listening methods!

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NFUN
04/04/21 7:22:53 PM
#59:


if somebody wants to waste their time sorting through to tediously find songs they can listen to like that, they still can

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azuarc
04/04/21 10:56:30 PM
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I can't speak for anyone else but my days of vomiting up a giant batch of songs on day 1 or 2 have long since passed. I'd have trouble picking 20 songs like that without them being arbitrary "eh sure" choices, let alone 30. So maybe other folks will follow suit and not hit us with a giant wall at the beginning. I prefer to think of these extra 10 as an option to throw support to a few more tracks without fearing that I might want the support for something else and/or having to retract a vote somewhere else.

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xp1337
04/04/21 11:50:23 PM
#61:


azuarc posted...
So maybe other folks will follow suit and not hit us with a giant wall at the beginning.
*laughs in despair*

;_;

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trdl23
04/05/21 2:11:51 AM
#62:


ngl I want to be excited for this, but my tastes end up pretty mainstream and non-Gust so I don't know if I'd be wasting actual slots for songs that have a higher chance of going places.

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azuarc
04/05/21 10:12:37 AM
#63:


trdl23 posted...
ngl I want to be excited for this, but my tastes end up pretty mainstream and non-Gust so I don't know if I'd be wasting actual slots for songs that have a higher chance of going places.

There's likely to be some new people from other sources. This year might not be as Gust-com as years past. Or at least, there might be some more mainstream tracks making a resurgence.

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Xarnax42
04/05/21 5:06:20 PM
#64:


Most of this discussion seems to be among people who are pretty familiar with how this is usually run. Is there anywhere the explicitly outlines the nomination and contest process for newcomers like me?

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HasteDeux
04/05/21 8:47:36 PM
#65:


I would be able to listen to more nominations if the nom period gets extended a couple of days, personally!!! What if we did two weeks total? I get the feeling some people would hate it lasting that long... or maybe it was already that long?

Limiting original noms to 20 wouldn't do much to decrease the overall unique noms. I'm expecting a lot of users to increase their original nominations from (e.g.) 10 to 15, though... even I'm thinking about doing that. If we wanted to really limit total nominations we'd have to limit them to 10 originals per user. That's probably not a good idea.

We had a grand total of 620 songs nominated last year by 66 users... The year before that was 627 songs from 69 users. ~30 hours worth of music. Crazy. If we get an increase of users we might be seeing ~40 hours worth of music?

Here's an idea if we wanted to limit the total number of unique noms: have a unique nomination cut-off of, say, 500. After that you can only support stuff. That might mean people will be racing to get their music in, but hey.

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dowolf
04/05/21 8:51:21 PM
#66:


Xarnax42 posted...
Most of this discussion seems to be among people who are pretty familiar with how this is usually run. Is there anywhere the explicitly outlines the nomination and contest process for newcomers like me?

I'm sure Deo and Tox will have something longer in the days to come, but here's the short version:

You will have 30 nominations/supports. Note that new tracks you're nominating and other folks' tracks that you're supporting both draw from the same pool. You can spend 5 of them on the first day, and any/all of the rest on the succeeding days. To nominate a track, simply post it in the following format:

GAME_NAME | TRACK_NAME | YOUTUBE_LINK

(Other sources are permitted, but youtube is strongly preferred. Additionally, that's the pipe character being used to delineate.)

You can also double some number of your nominations/supports, which make them count twice.

During the first week or so, all tracks that get above a total number of supports, including doubles, will be "locked." This means that they are guaranteed to get into the contest. All remaining slots will, after the full nominating period, be assigned to the tracks with the highest number of supports. Ties will be broken by number of unique nominators. (E.g., a track with 6 supports because three people doubled it [which we denote as 6/3] will lose to a track that was supported by six different people [a 6/6 track].)

After that, there'll be a week or two wait while the hosts handmake the bracket, during which it is tradition to regularly say to them "WHERE'S THE BRACKET" and "WE WANT THE DAMN BRACKET." This is very important.
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dowolf
04/05/21 8:52:28 PM
#67:


HasteDeux posted...

Here's an idea if we wanted to limit the total number of unique noms: have a unique nomination cut-off of, say, 500. After that you can only support stuff. That might mean people will be racing to get their music in, but hey.

If you do this, you will have 15 people spam their list of 30 the second you're allowed to post your full list of 30 noms and 60+ people who are very upset.
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xp1337
04/05/21 8:53:48 PM
#68:


there goes bracket

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azuarc
04/05/21 8:55:47 PM
#69:


I mean, everyone would get their 5 from day one, right?

Actually, there'd be an interesting twist. You can only nominate 5 songs, and all of your other votes have to be supporting someone else's.

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pyresword
04/05/21 9:10:28 PM
#70:


#bringback2phasenominations

Don't actually do this at this stage, but I will still maintain this was a better format >.>
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HasteDeux
04/05/21 9:16:52 PM
#71:


dowolf posted...
If you do this, you will have 15 people spam their list of 30 the second you're allowed to post your full list of 30 noms and 60+ people who are very upset.

Well, yeah, it could be that way, but it doesn't have to.

I don't actually want that kind of limitation on nominations, though....

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NFUN
04/05/21 10:43:59 PM
#72:


Xarnax42 posted...
Most of this discussion seems to be among people who are pretty familiar with how this is usually run. Is there anywhere the explicitly outlines the nomination and contest process for newcomers like me?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/ 1z3L461h7kTwS27Pr2rIRlWcNJv3HdZS9VhQ7kbwu1UU/edit?usp=sharing

get in the fucking decade gamefaqs jfc

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HasteDeux
04/05/21 11:11:29 PM
#73:


Whoops, improper use of terminology. I should have said "original nominations", not "unique nominations"! But anyway, that helped me make up my mind that I see no point in trying to limit the amount of music nominated... the more the merrier, if you ask me. "Oh well" if I don't get through it all.

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Janus5k
04/05/21 11:28:50 PM
#74:


I've always found the nomination process overwhelming and wouldn't be opposed to lengthening it, but there's a good chance I'd still not listen to a lot so take that how you will lol

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pyresword
04/09/21 1:02:29 AM
#75:


Saw some people sharing noms in the Discord to gauge interest.

I don't exactly have a full-fledged list, but feel free to share if anyone has thoughts on these songs. (I do have more than this at least but they are in the category of "definitely nominating this" whereas these I'm more unsure)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GWENu6GN1c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uV56Z2rhHM
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tennisboy213
04/09/21 2:51:18 AM
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I'll probably do the usual no original noms just support things that need help at the last minute

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Earthshaker
04/09/21 12:57:12 PM
#77:


Phantasmagoria, ugh. Memories of nightmares as a kid by not understanding half of what was going on (the bathroom scene, the phantom wife murders) and being terrified of Adrian having her head ripped open sideways.

Good song, though.

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banshiryuu
04/10/21 1:11:40 PM
#78:


Just posting for a quick confirmation, but we have decided based on feedback that nominations will be open for a full two weeks until 10pm EST on April 29th, as opposed to April 25th as first announced. That way there will be a week before locks end, and then a further week for the final nominations to come through.
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NFUN
04/10/21 1:32:06 PM
#79:


est or edt?

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FL81
04/10/21 2:33:29 PM
#80:


On the topic of OST disc extended versions, would these be eligible?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_Y3Tzu-W9w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccVvXyRqwYg

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barreldragon88
04/10/21 3:31:38 PM
#81:


I'm hoping I can gauge interest for some Fire Emblem and Super Robot Wars tracks to help me concentrate my efforts on what has a better shot in the contest. If you have some time, it would be great if you could listen to the following and let me know if you'd be interested in supporting any of these. I would appreciate any input!

Fire Emblem Fates: Road Taken (Roar)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94gLmK80ew0

Fire Emblem Fates: No Justice & No Justice (Fire) - two variants of the same track, not sure which one people like more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8pYStq8hqw&t=264s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK_jvaRKNlY&t=232s

Fire Emblem Fates: Justice RIP & Justice RIP (Storm) - same situation as No Justice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8-BwTSxrsI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuwvXqOnNhg

Super Robot Wars Original Generations - The Arrow of Destiny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHQS3hWxMH8

Super Robot Wars Original Generations - Dark Prison
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3HcfmPAxCY

Super Robot Wars Original Generations - Ash to Ash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN00p8MNajg

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Flamander
04/10/21 4:16:26 PM
#82:


Out of all of those tracks, I'm most likely to support Road Taken (Roar) at a push.

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xp1337
04/10/21 4:31:18 PM
#83:


I'm fond of Dark Prison. With 30 noms I could probably find room for it. The Fates songs there aren't really my cup of tea. I'm more in the A Dark Fall/Past Below camp.

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Hbthebattle
04/10/21 5:32:20 PM
#84:


to be honest i kinda want to see fire emblem songs that aren't from Fates retire too

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barreldragon88
04/10/21 5:34:51 PM
#85:


xp1337 posted...
I'm fond of Dark Prison. With 30 noms I could probably find room for it. The Fates songs there aren't really my cup of tea. I'm more in the A Dark Fall/Past Below camp.
Past Below doesn't really resonate with me, Dark Fall is decent

Anything else from Fates or other FE tracks you can get behind?

Hbthebattle posted...
to be honest i kinda want to see fire emblem songs that aren't from Fates retire too
Like? There are tracks I can get behind from the Valentia, Elibe, Tellius, and Fodlan games

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HasteDeux
04/10/21 6:29:51 PM
#86:


banshiryuu posted...
Just posting for a quick confirmation, but we have decided based on feedback that nominations will be open for a full two weeks until 10pm eastern (f u nfun) on April 29th, as opposed to April 25th as first announced. That way there will be a week before locks end, and then a further week for the final nominations to come through.

Yes! This is exactly what I wanted. also just noticed that NFUN can be called n"FU"n, hrhrhr

I feel indebted towards Board 8 for their feedback on my music, so I'll give some more feedback. pyresword, I definitely like The Enchanted Palace more than the other one, even though i can't say I'll support it. But I wouldn't it being in the contest!

Roar is great (8.5), but I prefer the calm version of Road Taken (9)... that one would be a possible support. No Justice (8.0) > No Justice (Fire) (7.5), IMO. As for Justice RIP, I like both about equally (both 7.5).

Arrow of Destiny - 7.5
Dark Prison - 6.5
Ash to Ash - 7

(I had to give scores to sort out my opinions of all that music)

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barreldragon88
04/10/21 6:34:00 PM
#87:


HasteDeux posted...
Yes! This is exactly what I wanted. also just noticed that NFUN can be called n"FU"n, hrhrhr

I feel indebted towards Board 8 for their feedback on my music, so I'll give some more feedback. pyresword, I definitely like The Enchanted Palace more than the other one, even though i can't say I'll support it. But I wouldn't it being in the contest!

Roar is great (8.5), but I prefer the calm version of Road Taken (9)... that one would be a possible support. No Justice (8.0) > No Justice (Fire) (7.5), IMO. As for Justice RIP, I like both about equally (both 7.5).

Arrow of Destiny - 7.5
Dark Prison - 6.5
Ash to Ash - 7

(I had to give scores to sort out my opinions of all that music)
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Hbthebattle
04/10/21 6:34:57 PM
#88:


I'd like to give God-Shattering Star another shot, and I've got a few other FE plans.

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HasteDeux
04/10/21 6:38:21 PM
#89:


Right. Can't guarantee it, though. Still, I love FE music....

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barreldragon88
04/10/21 7:34:56 PM
#90:


Hbthebattle posted...
I'd like to give God-Shattering Star another shot, and I've got a few other FE plans.
If you want to share, we can try to coordinate our nom efforts, but I understand if you want to withhold for now

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Toxtricity
04/10/21 7:38:36 PM
#91:


OMG %%%%%%% COLLUSION its happening before O_O our very eyes *eyes*

(for real talking about songs you're interested in and getting feedback on what would/wouldn't interest people is fine; just dont do like literal nom trading games or whatever)
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Earthshaker
04/10/21 9:27:57 PM
#92:


Similarly, I was asking on a Discord last night if slow songs ever perform well. I was also curious whether minimalistic stuff does well, too, since I might be considering some OLD, not upbeat stuff.

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HasteDeux
04/10/21 9:44:06 PM
#93:


Let's discuss how to make the most of the 14 (15 if you count partial) days. How to listen to the music?

One way to prepare yourself is to find a way to put yourself in the right mood for listening. For me it be relaxing and reading a book or playing a game with high-quality dialogue for 20 minutes to lighten my mood, then listening to a favorite vgm to engage my music mind.

As for how to get the most out of your first listen of something unfamiliar? It seems like focusing on feeling the meter often helps you get more out of the music... of course, with metal or loud rhythm ostinatos that may not be necessary. There's a lot of other stuff I could mention, but that would probably be over-thinking things... But if you don't focus on certain aspects or details of the music your brain gets lazy and doesn't absorb much. But maybe that applies only to me being ADD and all.... I naturally have a harder time focusing than others do.

Any advice to get the most out of first listens or to increase your vgm-listening endurance on a given day? (besides trying to learn some fo the music beforehand. that goes without saying)

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NFUN
04/10/21 9:59:14 PM
#94:


just listen to the songs lmao

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HasteDeux
04/10/21 10:22:07 PM
#95:


Ah, I just thought of something! Rate every track I listen to. It forces me to make a judgment. It helped earlier today.

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barreldragon88
04/10/21 10:28:44 PM
#96:


Earthshaker posted...
Similarly, I was asking on a Discord last night if slow songs ever perform well. I was also curious whether minimalistic stuff does well, too, since I might be considering some OLD, not upbeat stuff.
It's difficult for me to grasp b8's taste. Seems like people generally prefer faster songs, but some slower tracks do perform well

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Xarnax42
04/11/21 12:10:21 AM
#97:


Are tracks that have multiple variations eligible as a single submission?

For example Breath of the Wild's Tarrey Town, Celeste's Reach for the Summit, or Okami's Ryoshima Coast.

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xp1337
04/11/21 12:39:15 AM
#98:


Should be. Divine Beast Vah Ruta was in the last contest, for example. I suppose you could make a very technical argument that Vah Ruta's dynamic changes happen such that you would never have to interrupt the song so you could very plausibly have it run through all the variants unbroken so long as you don't leave the dungeon whereas with, say, Tarrey Town, you frequently have to leave to do its quests so an unbroken version of the song wouldn't exist in-game.

...But with the relaxed eligibility rules I don't imagine you'd have much to worry about.

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kaonashi1
04/11/21 1:03:31 AM
#99:


I think in most reasonable cases multiple variations would be accepted as a single submission, especially if they appear that way on the game's soundtrack.

In the case of Ryoshima Coast, it was actually nominated as one track (instead of two separate tracks Ryoshima Coast I and II as on the soundtrack) in VGMC6 (as Ryoshima Plains). If you're referring to the soundtrack version of Reach for the Summit (with all of that stage's music phases), both Resurrections and Confronting Myself got in with their soundtrack versions, which are also multi-phase.

Other cases of clearly multi-phase/variation tracks that got into VGMC without eligibility issues include the Blue Reflection all phase mixes and the 13 Sentinels battle tracks. I say 'most reasonable cases' above because I think there are scenarios where the eligibility of multiple variations as one track would be less clear-- for example if someone tried to nominate an all-variations mix of Toad Town from Origami King, that might not fly (and that doesn't sound like a great idea anyway). (To expand on why this might not work-- no soundtrack pretext for it, and wide gaps in gameplay between hearing one variation and another, with no real way in-game to flow between variations organically.)
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NFUN
04/11/21 1:17:30 AM
#100:


Deo shouldve nommed Bergentruckung + ASGORE as "ASGORE (All Phase Mix)"

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