Current Events > Bill Maher on why the US isn't losing to China, we've already lost

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https://youtu.be/2DH4v6FnbvM

He's right

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metallica846 posted...

Biden will save us.

I think he will, but are you joking or serious too?

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Part of the problem is how uneducated Americans are

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He's right as usual.

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metallica846 posted...

Biden will save us.

No, he won't. He can't to be fair

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ncsonic posted...

Part of the problem is how uneducated Americans are

yeah i feel like china and america just need to settle down and realize climate change is gonna hurt everybody equally lol. might as well cooperate. put up capital together to solve the problem with advanced climate science and engineering. green new deal!

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Solid Snake07 posted...

No, he won't. He can't to be fair

why not tho? they can easily fund whatever projects the military wants. and we control space, don't we?

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He started out pretending Chinese citizens are a hivemind fully aligned with their government and hopped straight into some bullshit centrism and thats where I stopped.

I dont feel like losing brain cells today.

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God damn he needs to shut his stupid mouth and retire.

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earth ruled by china is coming for sure just you wait

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Yep he's right. But considering how mobbed you get for saying some of that stuff I expect a lot of people here are going to push back.

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Macroeconomics really engenders hate between nations huh. Americans think all Chinese people are part of a hivemind in service of the state, meanwhile Chinese media openly calls us the American pigs and shit

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I'm not giving him views so what are the cliffnotes?

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If anybody thinks removing merit as the deciding element for college acceptance is a good idea you are fucking insane.

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SaltyWet posted...

I'm not giving him views so what are the cliffnotes?

Cliffnotes are that people are so stuck in their own lane that they stubbornly refuse common sense and that's why we are really falling behind.

Ironic you don't want to hear it. Why don't you want to give him views?

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pure_temper posted...

why not tho? they can easily fund whatever projects the military wants. and we control space, don't we?

China is playing by a different set of rules. The CCP has complete control. If they want something done that shit gets done and it gets done now.

How do you compete with that? Biden can't just decree something be done and work begins immediately. Things in this country get done at a snails pace, the CCP is a fucking jet. We can't possibly win this game long term barring some serious cultural amd political changes in China.

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CommonJoe posted...

He started out pretending Chinese citizens are a hivemind fully aligned with their government and hopped straight into some bullshit centrism and thats where I stopped.

Pretty much this. Anyone can recognize the surface level results but that's not gonna do jack shit without addressing the actual problems

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metallica846 posted...

Im optimistic for the next 8 years.

yeah dude, me too. these clowns that are crying about China have no idea what they're talking about lol. Anyone who knows literally fucking ANYTHING about what's going on is just enjoying Daddy Biden's presidency and even AOC's.

<3

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idgaf about winning or losing against china as long as we straighten shit out here tbh.

not sure why it's such a big thing with everything else going on right now.

The USA and Russia lost to China because of the Cold War. While we were busy spending money that our citizens desperately needed, China was the one lending us money at unbelievable interest rates. Now we basically belong to them because of our war-crazy government spent the money that was supposed to create jobs, keep people from being homeless, etc. Now there is no patriotism because nobody wants to work now that wages are down and everything costs too much.

The point? We need to get these military generals out of politics and stop giving them money that our citizens need. If someone is trying to invade, then give them some money. If they want to invade a country thats not bothering us because of opiates, oil, and international banking.

CommonJoe posted...

He started out pretending Chinese citizens are a hivemind fully aligned with their government and hopped straight into some bullshit centrism and thats where I stopped.

I dont feel like losing brain cells today.

No he didn't, and they don't need to be hiveminded. The CCP has an iron grip on their political landscape. And I don't see them relinquishing it any time soon.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

China is playing by a different set of rules. The CCP has complete control. If they want something done that shit gets done and it gets done now.

How do you compete with that? Biden can't just decree something be done and work begins immediately. Things in this country get done at a snails pace, the CCP is a fucking jet. We can't possibly win this game long term barring some serious cultural amd political changes in China.

They have their own instability issue. How do you think they ended up with millions of Uyghurs in camps? And population age and child to parent ratio imbalance. And religions spreading, both Christianity and Islam to the point where Mao's tankie approach to freedom of religion is fading (i don't endorse a state religion, just saying it's allowed now. Mao executed those students amongst the first)

All these things are contributing to China not necessarily being able ot muster up true internal support in the Mainland for ANY kind of prolonged conflict at all lmao.

We own space. Along with Russia too. You think Russia wants to be China's bitch? Nope. It's a love triangle relationship with occasional 4-player romps when we get bored and want to flirt with a potential 4th superpower. Russia is as serious a threat to China as we are lmao.

America owns space more than any other nation lol. And all that matters at the end of the day is the ability to project nuclear power onto any place on earth. China never had the capability to develop that because they weren't super industrialized. We owned nuclear on land right after Japan.

China stands 0 chance with its saber rattling and it'll realize this soon after it gets sanctions for the Uyghur situation (which is not the Chinese people's fault, it's the elite fews faults who are greedy for exploited labor sources. the Chinese ppl themselves are mostly poor farmers)

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Solid Snake07 posted...

We can't possibly win this game long term barring some serious cultural amd political changes in China.

It isnt a game, for one, and for two, theres nothing to win.

Way too many in the first world are itching to go to war with China and its going to be a massive disaster. Billions are going to die and it isnt going to just be on the CCP, but on every coward whose pushing for war.

Theres means to push Chinas citizens toward throwing off the CCP. Slaughtering them (and getting countless among our own killed in the process) when the CCP throws them at us isnt it.

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Pretty much why Trump's trade war with them was a fruitless disaster. China is basically a dictatorship. The people are cogs in a machine. Their output will always be optimal. The US is a circus where everyone does what they want and hates each other. The spectacle may make a lot of money, but don't think the ringmaster is using it for anything but hookers and blow.
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Bill has a lot of good takes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1t3p8AI57Q

Even though I acknowledge he has some dumb ones from time to time.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

No he didn't, and they don't need to be hiveminded.

Yes he did, and that doesnt dispute what I said. He treated China as a hivemind to the detriment of millions of actual human beings that arent all fascists.

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China has a chance at overtaking the US, but not quite for the silly reasons that Maher lays out.

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Chinese government and Chinese people: we have to undercut western industry and have all the greedy fucks move our factories here. Then we shall hack their systems and steal their methods and innovations. We shall also re-establish the Silk Road and take power of global trading. We will then surpass the US technically and finally replace the US dollar as the world reserve currency

US GOP governments, voters and their satellites such as AM radio hosts: we are busy trying to keep minorities from voting, harassing people for the color of their skin, opposing anything the democrats do and turning back science and voting rights 50 years. If were lucky we will get rid of all minorities and make sure women do not have control over their own bodies too

Gee, I wonder why China is surpassing us? Thanks Republicans

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metallica846 posted...

Id say because of the way they control their people, the eventual uprising will cripple China. They cant sustain their progress like this.

Yep. It's already happening, that's why they have the Uyghur concentration camps. Mao killed the Christians and the Muslims back then too. And the real Marxists (what we now call social democrats). They made a move on Hong Kong but give it a few more years and I don't see how they can fail to realize we already control nuclear on land and in space and we need to cooperate anyway. lmao.

religions flourishing there means people are free. because my Chinese coworkers all tell me that it's nice there and people are free to believe anything. Even that really popular summer movie, Crazy Rich Asians, which was shown in China in theaters openly showed Christianity and the Bible. That's huge.

@ssjevot can back me up on this

that means that in a lot of China you can openly be Christian like how being gay is slowly being accepted in America. so maybe the part of China that's still doing this fascist shit is really just 50+ years behind because of poverty or something. It's a huge country and mostly farmland, right?

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CommonJoe posted...

It isnt a game, for one, and for two, theres nothing to win.

Way too many in the first world are itching to go to war with China and its going to be a massive disaster. Billions are going to die and it isnt going to just be on the CCP, but on every coward whose pushing for war.

Theres means to push Chinas citizens toward throwing off the CCP. Slaughtering them (and getting countless among our own killed in the process) when the CCP throws them at us isnt it.

No one's advocating war with China genius

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R_Jackal posted...

idgaf about winning or losing against china as long as we straighten shit out here tbh.

not sure why it's such a big thing with everything else going on right now.

yep. and it's fine, Biden doesn't want beef with China or Russia.

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Payzmaykr posted...

The USA and Russia lost to China because of the Cold War. While we were busy spending money that our citizens desperately needed, China was the one lending us money at unbelievable interest rates. Now we basically belong to them because of our war-crazy government spent the money that was supposed to create jobs, keep people from being homeless, etc. Now there is no patriotism because nobody wants to work now that wages are down and everything costs too much.

The point? We need to get these military generals out of politics and stop giving them money that our citizens need. If someone is trying to invade, then give them some money. If they want to invade a country thats not bothering us because of opiates, oil, and international banking.

Wrong I think?, because the Cold War gave America and Russia nuclear dominance. China is our ally basically, but they're only ever going to saber rattle.

America and Russia finally are learning to work together thank God, and since China won't match our cominbed nuclear firepower and since America has space + land superiority on lockdown forever, for as long as this planet exists, Russia cedes to America. So it's mostly Russia and China competing with each other for 2nd place.

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1337toothbrush posted...

China has a chance at overtaking the US, but not quite for the silly reasons that Maher lays out.

China will most likely overtake the US but...

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CommonJoe posted...

He started out pretending Chinese citizens are a hivemind fully aligned with their government and hopped straight into some bullshit centrism and thats where I stopped.

I dont feel like losing brain cells today.

It's not that they're a hivemind, it's that their opinion rarely matters. Generally only the CCP's opinion matters. Dissent is heavily suppressed.

In America almost everyone has a platform, even the fucking morons (conservatives, corporate liberals, etc.), and that results in a collective political indecisiveness that obstructs acton and is just as likely to undo progress as it is to implement it to begin with.

For 4 years our national executives were trying to build a border wall instead of high-speed rail. America is fucked.
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Solid Snake07 posted...

No one's advocating war with China genius

Oh to be that naive.


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Bill "America's bad eating habits are why we shouldn't have universal health care" Maher has the shittiest takes in all of talk show tv.

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China will not overtake the US. It'll overtake Russia maybe in some ways, but Russia has nukes. Way too many nukes. That's all that matters lol.

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pure_temper posted...

China will not overtake the US. It'll overtake Russia maybe in some ways, but Russia has nukes. Way too many nukes. That's all that matters lol.

we (us) are losing industry fast. We sent all our jobs to China.

we are busy with our stupid culture wars (mainly conservative bigotry) while China is building their nation.

we cant even make our own people wear a fucking face mask and stop acting little toddlers (see: Karens), let alone pass meaningful economic reforms, why would be able to stop chinas economy for eclipsing ours?

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Graycap posted...

It's not that they're a hivemind, it's that their opinion rarely matters. Generally only the CCP's opinion matters. Dissent is heavily suppressed.

Im aware of this. This doesnt change that what Maher insinuated is inappropriate.

Not everyone who watches him is going to know the difference.

Graycap posted...

In America almost everyone has a platform, even the fucking morons (conservatives, corporate liberals, etc.), and that results in a collective political indecisiveness that obstructs acton and is just as likely to undo progress as it is to implement it to begin with.

That has less to do with everyone having a platform and more to do with our government being ratfucked to hell and back to the benefit of minority rule. Thats a systemic problem that weve been dealing with since before we were even a country.

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CommonJoe posted...

Oh to be that naive.

Name one important public figure who has even alluded we go to war with China.

This is a trade war, not a military conflict. Countries like the US and China can't go to war. It's mutually assured destruction. Same reason we fought endless proxy wars with the USSR, and still are today

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pure_temper posted...

China will not overtake the US. It'll overtake Russia maybe in some ways, but Russia has nukes. Way too many nukes. That's all that matters lol.

China is the second largest economy so it already surpassed Russia. China also has nukes. I feel you should read more before you post

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SPE posted...

why would be able to stop chinas economy for eclipsing ours?

The better question is why we should care.

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Payzmaykr posted...

Now we basically belong to them because of our war-crazy government spent the money that was supposed to create jobs, keep people from being homeless, etc.

Remind me again who the majority of America's debt is owed to.

Because, believe it or not, it isn't China

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China's weakness is that it's overbearing government will wear out it's people's spirit until they rise up. America's strength is that we have freedoms that keep everyone spirited and vibrant.

-looks out window-

Oh yeah. Hmm.

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Silly people aren't going to like this video, OP.

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indica posted...

China is the second largest economy so it already surpassed Russia. China also has nukes. I feel you should read more before you post

dude even countries we could crush in hours have nukes now. Thats just to reinforce MAD. America supplied them obviously.

We got there first and made sure no one truly destined to fail would have it. I would like to hope. In any case, we stockpiled enough around the world to ensure we never go down. There are based and submarines literally covering every square foot of the earth if need be ;)

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