Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 367: Cuomophobic

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Do you guys.... want Mitch McConnell back? Expelling your tie breaker of majority who is from West Virginia who is almost assuredly going to vote a Republican senator instead is the ultimate smooth brain play

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masterplum posted...

Do you guys.... want Mitch McConnell back? Expelling your tie breaker of majority who is from West Virginia who is almost assuredly going to vote a Republican senator instead is the ultimate smooth brain play

We want to dismantle the GOP and get Dictator Bernie, don't you remember?

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

We want to dismantle the GOP and get Dictator Bernie, don't you remember?

Ah right yes. Carry on

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masterplum posted...

Do you guys.... want Mitch McConnell back? Expelling your tie breaker of majority who is from West Virginia who is almost assuredly going to vote a Republican senator instead is the ultimate smooth brain play

I want a senator who will actually work for the people.

You're acting like we have to be completely happy with either shitty choice. Nobody said they'd prefer Mitch McConnell.

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Xeybozn posted...

The following states currently have GOP senators elected by closer margins than Collins won by in Maine last year:

North Carolina (2020, 2016)
Iowa (2020)
Florida (2018, 2016)
Indiana (2018)
Texas (2018)
Missouri (2018, 2016)
Pennsylvania (2016)
Wisconsin (2016)

But somehow everything is Maine's fault, not any of these states and especially not other states where Democrats aren't anywhere close to competitive.

i was gonna add Pat Toomey and ESPECIALLY Ron Johnson (who was polling at 1% against Berniecrat Russ Feingold going into Election Day), but then Gamefaqs crapped out on me and I didnt realize my post went through. I also forgot losing a seat in Indiana in 2018.

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Also, the reason Mains catches crap is because unlike all of those others (including Toomey and Johnson), Maine went solidly blue at the state level, yet the Senate had nearly a 100% swing in favor of the Republican candidate. In fact, aside from Toomey and Johnson (who were elected on the back of Trump in 2015) Susan Collins is the only other blue state Republican left in the Senate. She SHOULD have been the easiest pick-up in 2020, yet the voters didnt want her opponent.

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People forget that Maine has ranked choice voting. We don't know what was on the second ballot but my guess is that that race was much closer than it looked from the top choice numbers.

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So they're now saying it looks like Manchin may vote for BOTH amendments, and since there's a Republican out of town, it'd mean the dem one would win.

So this may have all been one giant ego flex

I just can't

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God I hope so I'm willing to just suck him off at this point if that's what it takes

https://twitter.com/PoorlyAgedStuff/status/1367956490255032321?s=19

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Also her Twitter right now, I shit you not, is her retweeting people talking about how she brought cake into today for the senators.

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Brought in cake and made sure to try to make a media moment of her giving it a thumbs down

She's trash

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What the fuck is up with this woman. She dresses like an anime character with the wigs and stuff, she's young and was a Dem +1 flip... but the swerve is that she's completely spineless and evil?

Manchin's had his reputation for years, but Sinema has craptacularly exploded onto the bullshit scene.

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CaptainOfCrush posted...

What the fuck is up with this woman. She dresses like an anime character with the wigs and stuff, she's young and was a Dem +1 flip... but the swerve is that she's completely spineless and evil?

Manchin's had his reputation for years, but Sinema has craptacularly exploded onto the bullshit scene.

Nope! I was trying to warn people when they were flexing that there was a bisexual woman taking Flakes old seat. She specifically listed Manchin as her inspiration when she was back in the house and she had the third highest Trump score of any democrat house member. This 100% isnt a surprise. With Arizona turning blue this might be someone you want to primary.

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HashtagSEP posted...

So they're now saying it looks like Manchin may vote for BOTH amendments, and since there's a Republican out of town, it'd mean the dem one would win.

So this may have all been one giant ego flex

I just can't

If Manchin keeps UI at an acceptable level he is back in the necessary evil camp for me. He sucks but I was willing to defend him as long as he wasnt tanking Bidens signature legislation for no reason.

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I've also had time to think about it and calm down a bit

$300 for an extra month minus taxes is actually more money than the $400. Obviously it's not as good as $400 no taxes, but I have to accept that was never the initial plan and so I can't fairly be mad it's not a thing.

So I'll accept this as long as Manchin doesn't fuck it up. I'm still not happy with all of the backing down, but the math suggests this doesn't actually screw me so whatever.

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StealThisSheen posted...

I've also had time to think about it and calm down a bit

$300 for an extra month minus taxes is actually more money than the $400. Obviously it's not as good as $400 no taxes, but I have to accept that was never the initial plan and so I can't fairly be mad it's not a thing.

So I'll accept this as long as Manchin doesn't fuck it up. I'm still not happy with all of the backing down, but the math suggests this doesn't actually screw me so whatever.

Nah it sucks because it takes pressure off of them to pass another stimulus bill for a month.

They're absolutely not passing another stimulus bill in August-September and if you ever thought they were you're insane. They're barely passing this one.

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https://twitter.com/aaronlikethecar/status/1367895175486451713?s=21

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I am once again asking to be your wingman.

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Suprak the Stud posted...

Nope! I was trying to warn people when they were flexing that there was a bisexual woman taking Flakes old seat. She specifically listed Manchin as her inspiration when she was back in the house and she had the third highest Trump score of any democrat house member. This 100% isnt a surprise. With Arizona turning blue this might be someone you want to primary.

I'll take the ignorance L. Hopefully, Mark Kelly can get reelected in two years by being decent, which would make me more optimistic that someone like Sinema CAN get primary in a state turning more blue.

StealThisSheen posted...

They're absolutely not passing another stimulus bill in August-September

Agreed. By that point, most of the country will be vaccinated, and I presume things will resemble "normalcy" much more than they do now, at least for the wealthy and suburban white-collar workers. There just won't be as much of an appetite for another stimulus, even if working class renters are still getting just as fucked.

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Just remember that as maddening as Joe Manchin is (and he most definitely sucks), West Virginia should realistically be sending us a Tommy Tuberville level Republican who not only wouldn't vote for any stimulus, but would likely make his 15th call for an investigation into Hunter Biden's laptop.

As for why "fuck Maine" above all else, it's because of the ridiculous discrepancy between how much Biden won by vs. How much Collins won by. They basically said "we're cool with voting for Biden but we also hate functioning government."

Maine has an independent streak? More like Maine has a stupid idiot streak.

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I think Maine voters were very clear. They don't want Trump, and they don't want the Democrats to govern.

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Maine voters are probably old-money and don't want to do much for helping the poor, but they're embarrassed by Trump and were tired of being represented by him whenever they talked to a Canadian friend or took a trip overseas.

As a former resident of Orange County, CA (Reagan country), I feel like I know this type of person quite well!

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Susan losing just seemed like the biggest sure-thing on the board and it didn't even end up as a close race at all.

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Why are Twitter mad about Sinema? Because she voted against the wage ot because of the thumbs down?
How is the voting usually goes?

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Nanis23 posted...

Why are Twitter mad about Sinema? Because she voted against the wage ot because of the thumbs down?
How is the voting usually goes?

Both.

She went out of her way to make a theatrical display of voting against it, which basically is a big "fuck you" to those less well off.

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Anyway from what I saw a lot of people are mad it didn't pass and...well, why?
I am not an economics expert but neither are the majority of the people on the Internet. Raising the minimum wage will have consequences. Not only the US but globally as well considering how important the USD is. You do not want to cause inflation.

There are both positive and negative sides to this. It's isn't so simple. 84% of the democrats voting in favor is dumb. 0% of Republicans voting against is even worse. This isn't supposed to be a Democrats vs Republicans kind of thing.

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I'm sure there's bipartisan support in Israel for things like bulldozing Palestinian neighborhoods, but things don't work quite the same way in the States.

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Nanis23 posted...

Anyway from what I saw a lot of people are mad it didn't pass and...well, why?
I am not an economics expert but neither are the majority of the people on the Internet. Raising the minimum wage will have consequences. Not only the US but globally as well considering how important the USD is. You do not want to cause inflation.

There are both positive and negative sides to this. It's isn't so simple. 84% of the democrats voting in favor is dumb. 0% of Republicans voting against is even worse. This isn't supposed to be a Democrats vs Republicans kind of thing.

Afaik the inflationary effects of the minimum wage increase are not expected to be particularly large. The main concern with raising it too high is increased unemployment.

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I'd assume you would have learned from last time to just shut up about stuff you literally actually know nothing about, but hey, here we are

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I kinda have to laugh that anyone is even seeing these posts.
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The $300 for an extra month vs $400 does end up screwing anyone whose unemployment ends the month before the added month, but otherwise is mostly an optics issue. The worst thing is 8 senators voting against the minimum wage increase, and I'm sorry, using the parlementarian as your reason just means you don't want a $15 minimum wage. It isn't happening otherwise.

Edit: Like just imagine republican senators denying something they want because of a norm, not even a rule. They absolutely cannot use that excuse. I'm counting all 8 as against the 15 minimum wage from this point on.

CaptainOfCrush posted...

I'm sure there's bipartisan support in Israel for things like bulldozing Palestinian neighborhoods, but things don't work quite the same way in the States.

What are you trying to get at?

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StealThisSheen posted...

I'd assume you would have learned from last time to just shut up about stuff you literally actually know nothing about, but hey, here we are

I'd assume that if I tried to be civil we could have a normal discussion and not to start a flame war

But it's pointless after all

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Your civil discussion is 'it is ok to pay starvation wages because of the global economy'

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FFDragon posted...

almost like we need more than two parties or something

i mean to be fair, while true, the other issue here is that the progressive wing of the party rolls over for everything and is completely toothless. having more parties could help yeah but don't forget that the factions within the party don't matter much when needed and that's its own problem too.


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Wanglicious posted...

i mean to be fair, while true, the other issue here is that the progressive wing of the party rolls over for everything and is completely toothless. having more parties could help yeah but don't forget that the factions within the party don't matter much when needed and that's its own problem too.

Nah, that's for sure not the problem here. Always willing to blame evil way before the good guys not being hellbent

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He has a point. The progressive members of congress never use their leverage against the dem establishment. They just tell us to wait until they have a majority, at which point the centrists will absolutely use their votes as leverage to make legislation more centrist.

fuming posted...

He has a point. The progressive members of congress never use their leverage against the dem establishment. They just tell us to wait until they have a majority, at which point the centrists will absolutely use their votes as leverage to make legislation more centrist.

What leverage do progressives have, exactly?

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Bernie forcing people to show they suck was good tbh. He tried most every trick on this issue. They aren't perfect but they shouldn't have to be. I will be donating and volunteering against every senator who voted against this.

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clearest point of leverage was just 2 months ago with pelosi's taking speaker of the house again.
they got nothing for it and could've 100% been a factor. they just... chose not to be.


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Inviso posted...

What leverage do progressives have, exactly?

Their votes. For example, let's say you have a bill for sending out $1200 checks. The GOP wants zero dollar checks and votes no. They don't have the votes to pass the bill without progressives votes, so they could demand $1400 checks. This is just a theoretical example.

Now, if the counter argument is that the centrists would rather get a few GOP votes for $400 checks than work with progressives for $1400 checks, then you have a clear case for why we would need a third party.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Bernie forcing people to show they suck was good tbh. He tried most every trick on this issue. They aren't perfect but they shouldn't have to be. I will be donating and volunteering against every senator who voted against this.

oh no, this was definitely good.
congress hates nothing more than voting on things because that puts their name to something. that should happen more often.

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Inviso posted...

What leverage do progressives have, exactly?

They could try creating a third party, which obviously wouldn't be very successful but could siphon off enough votes to cripple the Democrats. That's basically what the old southern Democrats used to do to force the national party to support their views, though considering progressives don't have anywhere near as much power I doubt it would work as well. (Also, the chance of throwing the election to the other party would hurt progressives a lot more.)
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Xeybozn posted...

They could try creating a third party, which obviously wouldn't be very successful but could siphon off enough votes to cripple the Democrats. That's basically what the old southern Democrats used to do to force the national party to support their views, though considering progressives don't have anywhere near as much power I doubt it would work as well. (Also, the chance of throwing the election to the other party would hurt progressives a lot more.)

Except democrats would just vilify them and accept their losses by shaking their fists.

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Inviso posted...

What leverage do progressives have, exactly?

https://youtu.be/m4ay-Wqhoaw

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https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/1368006300244844544

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Every Senator that voted against $15 minimum wage should be burned to the ground.

Figuratively, of course.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/1368006300244844544

Ugh. Manchin is terrible for forcing the benefits down this far, but at least this stupid saga is over.

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