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pionear 01/25/21 12:59:50 PM #1: |
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Jen0125 01/25/21 1:01:26 PM #2: |
Why not? It's a volunteer organization. Why would you want to limit the pool arbitrarily like that?
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Soup_or_Science 01/25/21 1:02:51 PM #3: |
I dunno but he's gonna have a rude awakening when I come back from golf break and realizes I'm still the president
It's kind of funny to think about whether there are still some transgenders in there that the military didn't know about, and were never able to identify, simply because their histories were not well documented enough and they passed so well (And I'm sure there were/are) --- Official President of the World of the United States of America of PotD (on golf break) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IronBornCorps 01/25/21 1:05:51 PM #4: |
Yes, it's absolutely the right choice.
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adjl 01/25/21 1:06:44 PM #5: |
The ban never made much sense in the first place, and was enacted purely because Trump knew it would make his fans happy. Might as well reverse it for the sake of not arbitrarily limiting the number of available candidates and generally being respectful to people.
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LinkPizza 01/25/21 1:11:31 PM #6: |
adjl posted...
The ban never made much sense in the first place, and was enacted purely because Trump knew it would make his fans happy. --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 01/25/21 1:34:34 PM #7: |
If people in the military are ok with it then why should anyone else care
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BlackScythe0 01/25/21 1:41:00 PM #8: |
No reason to leave pointless bigotry in place.
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ReturnOfFa 01/25/21 1:51:13 PM #9: |
BlackScythe0 posted...
No reason to leave pointless bigotry in place. --- girls like my fa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kyuubi4269 01/25/21 2:34:18 PM #10: |
It's there because of the medical requirements, the same ones that get people with other disabilities disqualified.
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DirtBasedSoap 01/25/21 2:36:59 PM #11: |
Kyuubi4269 posted...
It's there because of the medical requirements, the same ones that get people with other disabilities disqualified.im not really sure how being transgender could be viewed as a disability in the eyes of the military. --- hoes mad ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Judgmenl 01/25/21 2:37:13 PM #12: |
BlackScythe0 posted...
No reason to leave pointless bigotry in place. --- You're a regular Jack Kerouac ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 01/25/21 2:38:42 PM #13: |
Kyuubi4269 posted...
It's there because of the medical requirements, the same ones that get people with other disabilities disqualified. The justification given was the save the money involved in treating them, which sounds nice enough on paper, until you look at the actual numbers and discover that transgenderism-related health care was costing the military roughly 4% of what it was spending on viagara. It was not a significant expense. The only people that bought the idea that is was were people that were already looking for a reason to kick trans people out, which is exactly who Trump wanted to sell it to. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 01/25/21 2:41:32 PM #14: |
DirtBasedSoap posted...
im not really sure how being transgender could be viewed as a disability in the eyes of the military. The process of transitioning does have its share of physical side effects that could interfere with their ability to do work, to say nothing of the general mental health distress that such people experience before they become settled in their new gender. That said, the military already has measures in place to ensure that its members meet whatever standards are needed to get the job done. If you're concerned about trans people not meeting those standards, boot them out if they fail to meet those standards. There's absolutely no need to preemptively rule them out regardless of their abilities. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IronBornCorps 01/25/21 2:45:47 PM #15: |
I medically transitioned on hormones while working 60 hours a week in a kitchen, it's certainly possible to meet military standards for physical fitness.
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adjl 01/25/21 4:19:25 PM #16: |
IronBornCorps posted...
I medically transitioned on hormones while working 60 hours a week in a kitchen, it's certainly possible to meet military standards for physical fitness. Which is all the more reason to determine it on a case-by-case basis and not make any categorical assumptions. Some people might not be able to pull it off, in which case they shouldn't be there. Some can, in which case they should. The other thing that people seem to forget in these discussions is that the military doesn't just consist of infantry. You don't exactly need to pass stringent physical standards for any of the countless office jobs they have. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeus 01/25/21 5:49:32 PM #17: |
It's weird that you bring up this, but not the #BidenErasedWomen controversy.
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Unbridled9 01/25/21 5:58:11 PM #18: |
adjl posted...
The process of transitioning does have its share of physical side effects that could interfere with their ability to do work, to say nothing of the general mental health distress that such people experience before they become settled in their new gender. While I do agree that you should boot out people who fail to meet standards; do remember that they will throw a hissy-fit if the reason they fail to meet said standard is their trans-sexuality. I.E. they're required to meet condition X but being trans means they can only manage X-1 or they can manage X but it's harder for them. --- I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 01/25/21 6:38:02 PM #19: |
Unbridled9 posted...
While I do agree that you should boot out people who fail to meet standards; do remember that they will throw a hissy-fit if the reason they fail to meet said standard is their trans-sexuality. I.E. they're required to meet condition X but being trans means they can only manage X-1 or they can manage X but it's harder for them. Which is why you build a well-established history of not discriminating unfairly against trans people that you can cite to help people trust that that isn't the issue at hand. Being able to demonstrate why the standards are an inherent, inextricable requirement of the job also helps. Basically, if you aren't usually a dick, people are less likely to presume that you're just being a dick when you do something potentially objectionable. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IronBornCorps 01/25/21 6:52:26 PM #20: |
I should note, that I was also in the military. It really isn't something that would hinder someone who wants to be there.
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Soup_or_Science 01/25/21 7:08:14 PM #21: |
Zeus posted...
What?Watch this drive -takes a swing- BOY HOWDY! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNdhkT7fRP4 Now tell me I ain't the President --- Official President of the World of the United States of America of PotD (on golf break) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LinkPizza 01/25/21 8:17:37 PM #22: |
IronBornCorps posted...
I should note, that I was also in the military. It really isn't something that would hinder someone who wants to be there. Im currently in the military, and definitely agree! --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkknight109 01/25/21 8:20:10 PM #23: |
Zeus posted...
It's weird that you bring up this, but not the #BidenErasedWomen controversy.I was wondering what logical fallacy you would be using to condemn this. Whataboutism it is! --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Joe_Biden 01/25/21 9:29:26 PM #24: |
zeus is so bougie lately
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BarneyBosco 01/25/21 9:51:17 PM #25: |
I don't think its an issue on paper depending on the particular persons state of mind. More studies are going to be needed. Also, its more men "transitioning" into women who won't be on the front lines anyway. Women into a men though, we'll have to wait and see after Biden starts a war.
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Jen0125 01/25/21 9:56:41 PM #26: |
Women can be on the front lines now.
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Mead 01/25/21 10:14:51 PM #27: |
BarneyBosco posted...
we'll have to wait and see after Biden starts a war. what if we just quit doing that i dont think anyone would expect it --- YOU control the numbers of leches. -Sal Vulcano ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ArvTheGreat 01/25/21 10:17:06 PM #28: |
Good strategy cause if another country ends up transgendered that said country will get canceled leading to no deaths cause no one wants that blood on their hands its a win win for everyone
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Unbridled9 01/25/21 10:20:03 PM #29: |
Jen0125 posted...
Women can be on the front lines now. Ayup. They can be shot, killed, wounded, maimed, covered in blood, sweat, tears, mud, and everything else! Just like a man can! I'm actually fully in support of female soldiers. I'm just baffled at the number of women who forget that being a soldier means, well, soldiering which isn't pretty, glamorous, or anything of the sort. --- I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Jen0125 01/25/21 10:57:54 PM #30: |
Unbridled9 posted...
Ayup. They can be shot, killed, wounded, maimed, covered in blood, sweat, tears, mud, and everything else! Just like a man can! Why do you assume women a) don't realize that and b) don't expect everything to be glamorous? I don't understand. Do you think women are all obsessed with glamour or something? --- https://imgur.com/4ihiyS2 "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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zebatov 01/25/21 11:29:44 PM #31: |
You should do a poll on these things so that people dont get a mod when they respond.
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Cacciato 01/26/21 12:36:04 AM #32: |
I disagree with it, just because from having been in that environment I dont think its something the military can handle appropriately right now.
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BlackScythe0 01/26/21 2:30:24 AM #33: |
Cacciato posted...
I disagree with it, just because from having been in that environment I dont think its something the military can handle appropriately right now. To me this is like arguing women shouldn't be in the military because how can we expect men not to sexually assault them. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Cacciato 01/26/21 2:29:18 PM #34: |
BlackScythe0 posted...
To me this is like arguing women shouldn't be in the military because how can we expect men not to sexually assault them.Okay. Id argue its a little more complicated than that, but to each their own. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pionear 01/29/21 11:10:16 AM #35: |
zebatov posted...
You should do a poll on these things so that people dont get a mod when they respond. I usually do, but sometimes I give it rest as not to be so Spammy (like Mr. Du.....) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 01/29/21 11:18:09 AM #36: |
zebatov posted...
You should do a poll on these things so that people dont get a mod when they respond. If you can't give your opinion on a subject without getting modded, holding that opinion might mean you're an asshole, and you should strongly consider reevaluating your position to minimize how much of an asshole you're being. BlackScythe0 posted... To me this is like arguing women shouldn't be in the military because how can we expect men not to sexually assault them. It's not entirely invalid. It definitely doesn't mean trans people (or women, in your example) should never be in the military, just that the military has some major cultural issues that it needs to sort out before being able to have trans people in there. Of course, as we all know, such cultural issues will persist unless they're given a chance to raise their ugly heads so they can be smacked down appropriately. Banning trans people from the military until the issues are fixed will end up being an indefinite ban because the issues will never be addressed unless they cause actual problems. To that end, reversing the ban is the right choice, though it will need to be paired with a concerted effort at all levels of the military to stamp out transphobia. Trump's ban has emboldened transphobes, and they won't take this reversal lying down. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pionear 02/06/21 5:04:14 PM #37: |
adjl posted...
If you can't give your opinion on a subject without getting modded, holding that opinion might mean you're an a******, and you should strongly consider reevaluating your position to minimize how much of an a****** you're being. You get modded for simple stuff here...you should know that by now, ;-P ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LinkPizza 02/07/21 7:00:09 AM #38: |
pionear posted...
You get modded for simple stuff here This is true... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DeathMagnetic80 02/07/21 8:03:50 PM #39: |
The funny thing is the ban was the thing that made my Dad turn on Trump after he voted for him. He saw that and was just like "Why the fuck was this even a priority for him?"
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NeoSioType 02/07/21 9:51:34 PM #40: |
No need to complicate the matter. Taxes shouldn't be going to the treatments and drugs. That's like a personal expense. We shouldn't be paying for Viagra or birth control ether.
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ReturnOfFa 02/07/21 11:24:25 PM #41: |
NeoSioType posted...
No need to complicate the matter. Taxes shouldn't be going to the treatments and drugs. That's like a personal expense. We shouldn't be paying for Viagra or birth control ether.I respect your right to your point of view, but subsidized drugs of all those sorts work well enough here in Canada. I'd rather be funding a medical system that cares for transgender folks so we can keep trying to combat suicide rates. Birth control, I'm for. I don't know if I can convince you otherwise, but I think the pills are cheaper monthly than a living baby. But we can discuss it if you want, just my POV. Viagra, I worked in pharmacies for years and only saw it covered for Veterans (Canada seems to treat vets a BIT better XD), and that was one 90 year old. There was also one exception dude who took it for his lungs and had to have a bunch of paperwork processed to get it covered. It's dope that you're pro covering stuff being covered in the line of service. I think people will know that I'm pro trans people being allowed in the military. I think their meds should be covered within that structure too. Most basic-ass meds are cheap as hell to produce, just look at stuff like insulin. It's only jackass companies charging high for it. --- girls like my fa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 02/08/21 1:05:56 AM #42: |
NeoSioType posted...
Taxes shouldn't be going to the treatments and drugs. That's like a personal expense. We shouldn't be paying for Viagra or birth control ether. Thats your opinion dude. Id rather leave someones health up to them and their doctors. As long as theyre still able to do the job they signed up for then I think our servicemen and women deserve their benefits for their service. --- YOU control the numbers of leches. -Sal Vulcano ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dumb_Man 02/08/21 1:42:35 AM #43: |
I have had bad experiences with the lgbt community but it is wrong to discriminate against them.
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smileychuy 02/08/21 1:46:34 AM #44: |
kudos to sleepy joe
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