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hockeybub89 01/21/21 8:13:41 PM #151:	UnfairRepresent posted... I think this is the problem People want to be "progressive " and on "the right side of history " so badly that ignore facts they find inconvenient A business firing a dude for being trans is fucked An insurance company not covering a dude because he is trans is fucked A transgender girl effortlessly breaking a slew of female world records overnight because her biologically male body is physically superior is fucked Holding these opinions is sensible and not contradictory Physicality and biology is not a social construct, gender is Trans women are not biologically men. They are biologically trans women. Otherwise, we're saying trans is a choice. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:949769242] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>I think this is the problem People want to be "progressive " and on "the right side of history " so badly that ignore facts they find inconvenient A business firing a dude for being trans is fucked An insurance company not covering a dude because he is trans is fucked A transgender girl effortlessly breaking a slew of female world records overnight because her biologically male body is physically superior is fucked Holding these opinions is sensible and not contradictory Physicality and biology is not a social construct, gender is</quote>Trans women are not biologically men. They are biologically trans women. Otherwise, we're saying trans is a choice. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 01/21/21 8:19:08 PM #152:	hockeybub89 posted... Trans women are not biologically men. Wat They are biologically trans women. Otherwise, we're saying trans is a choice. That's a total non sequitur You know a lot of transgenders don't even transition right? Gender is a social construct. Biology and your physical body is a fact. Hell it's in the saying. "I'm a woman trapped in a mans body" Your physical body doesn't change because of your mind, that's just insane to claim --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949769434] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>Trans women are not biologically men. </quote> Wat <quote>They are biologically trans women. Otherwise, we're saying trans is a choice.</quote> That's a total non sequitur You know a lot of transgenders don't even transition right? Gender is a social construct. Biology and your physical body is a fact. Hell it's in the saying. "I'm a woman trapped in a mans body" Your physical body doesn't change because of your mind, that's just insane to claim </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 01/21/21 8:20:00 PM #153:	TommyG663513 posted... Ok then So what if trans women do end up dominating on a somewhat large scale? Will you humor this what if scenario or deny that it is even a possibility? The point that I'm trying to make here is that a good portion of the argument here on either side is just theoretical. What if unicorns show up on the field and give the advantage back to cis women? I don't fucking know. I think we should do things and then adjust from there. You can ban things based on hypotheticals, but you'll never know the reality until you actually do things. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:949769461] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>TommyG663513 posted... </cite> <quote>Ok then So what if trans women do end up dominating on a somewhat large scale? Will you humor this what if scenario or deny that it is even a possibility? The point that I'm trying to make here is that a good portion of the argument here on either side is just theoretical.</quote>What if unicorns show up on the field and give the advantage back to cis women? I don't fucking know. I think we should do things and then adjust from there. You can ban things based on hypotheticals, but you'll never know the reality until you actually do things. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 01/21/21 8:21:22 PM #154:	hockeybub89 posted... I think we should do things and then adjust from there. You can ban things based on hypotheticals, but you'll never know the reality until you actually do things. This is one of the worst takes I have ever heard for about 15 different reasons --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949769509] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>I think we should do things and then adjust from there. You can ban things based on hypotheticals, but you'll never know the reality until you actually do things.</quote>This is one of the worst takes I have ever heard for about 15 different reasons </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FlameTurtle 01/21/21 8:25:37 PM #155:	I wonder how many times UR has been told that "Transgenders" and "biologically male/female" aren't the terms to use Such a shitty thing to use to troll --- Updated Prediction for the 2020 election: https://www.270towin.com/maps/xGWGg <cite>FlameTurtle posted [p:949769620] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>I wonder how many times UR has been told that "Transgenders" and "biologically male/female" aren't the terms to use Such a shitty thing to use to troll </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Galliumtheone 01/21/21 8:32:21 PM #156:	TommyG663513 posted... Because it is a disadvantage. Did you really need me to answer that for you? Fuck that shit. Either you ban someone with a dick and balls from pissing in a women's restroom and from women's sports, or the opposite. No cherry picking. <cite>Galliumtheone posted [p:949769836] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>TommyG663513 posted... </cite> <quote>Because it is a disadvantage. Did you really need me to answer that for you?</quote> Fuck that shit. Either you ban someone with a dick and balls from pissing in a women's restroom and from women's sports, or the opposite. No cherry picking. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 01/21/21 8:34:14 PM #157:	Galliumtheone posted... Fuck that shit. Either you ban someone with a dick and balls from pissing in a women's restroom and from women's sports, or the opposite. No cherry picking. These are...not equivocal things --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:949769904] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>Galliumtheone posted... </cite> <quote>Fuck that shit. Either you ban someone with a dick and balls from pissing in a women's restroom and from women's sports, or the opposite. No cherry picking.</quote> These are...not equivocal things </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CouldBeAnAlt 01/21/21 8:36:10 PM #158:	This topic makes me sad <cite>CouldBeAnAlt posted [p:949769962] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>This topic makes me sad </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mech dragon 01/21/21 8:36:38 PM #159:	Sparking a TERF war is a horrible way of framing being trans inclusive and also TE and F of TERF are oxymorons. You cant be both unless youre a fake F. Its like the rules of feminism and I didnt make this up. --- Insta: @acboyfriends ACNH Dream Address: DA-4948-4080-7418 ~enjoy your visit~ <cite>mech dragon posted [p:949769981] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>Sparking a TERF war is a horrible way of framing being trans inclusive and also TE and F of TERF are oxymorons. You cant be both unless youre a fake F. Its like the rules of feminism and I didnt make this up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mistere Man 01/21/21 8:40:10 PM #160:	pogo_rabid posted... Too bad so sad, you're either born with it or you're not. I'm under 6ft and you don't see me whining about them not making "Manlet NBA" a thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1YRJvFvlgg --- Water+Fall=Radiation. <cite>Mistere Man posted [p:949770089] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>pogo_rabid posted... </cite> <quote>Too bad so sad, you're either born with it or you're not. I'm under 6ft and you don't see me whining about them not making "Manlet NBA" a thing.</quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1YRJvFvlgg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SolidxSnake 01/21/21 8:44:08 PM #162:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URz-RYEOaig --- "You think this letter on my head stands for France!?" - Captain America <cite>SolidxSnake posted [p:949770222] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URz-RYEOaig </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fohstick 01/21/21 9:04:26 PM #163:	so who's right? <cite>fohstick posted [p:949770928] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>so who's right? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inferno Dive Dragoon 01/21/21 9:05:14 PM #164:	mech dragon posted... Sparking a TERF war is a horrible way of framing being trans inclusive and also TE and F of TERF are oxymorons. You cant be both unless youre a fake F. Its like the rules of feminism and I didnt make this up. There's a reason TERFness gets labeled as "toxic femininity" sometimes, it's just the same discriminatory gate-keeping that toxic masculinity causes. Anyway, I don't follow sports, so the outcome doesn't concern me either way, but if TERFs are mad, it can only be a good call. --- N/A <cite>Inferno Dive Dragoon posted [p:949770953] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>mech dragon posted...</cite> <quote>Sparking a TERF war is a horrible way of framing being trans inclusive and also TE and F of TERF are oxymorons. You cant be both unless youre a fake F. Its like the rules of feminism and I didnt make this up. </quote> There's a reason TERFness gets labeled as "toxic femininity" sometimes, it's just the same discriminatory gate-keeping that toxic masculinity causes. Anyway, I don't follow sports, so the outcome doesn't concern me either way, but if TERFs are mad, it can only be a good call.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TommyG663513 01/21/21 9:13:54 PM #166:	hockeybub89 posted... I do think trans men and women should have to prove themselves in some way. Though I love sports, they're still just sports at the end of the day. I'm not going to overly worry about a handful of scummy real or fake trans people ruining "muh sanctity". I think we can easily iron issues out. This all really goes back to societal acceptance of the trans community. We all know a lot of the loud voices here are people that simply don't believe transgenderism is real. Painting them as crazy perverts and grifters is what they'll do whether or not the topic is sports. It's weird that people are doomsaying while also calling the issue nuanced and complicated. The latter implies we have yet to figure out a solution. I'm not doomsaying, but I don't think you can just deny the possibility of there being any problems with this. The reality is that we won't KNOW that things will work out fine until it has been tested. It seems reasonable to think trans women would generally have physical advantages over cis women. I don't know to what degree this could effect competitiveness in female leagues. It could vary between sports. With certain sports the physical difference may be negligible. I very much think transgenderism is real and don't see any evidence that people arguing that this will cause issues is any transgenderism. You just sound like you're straw manning the "other" to make yourself sound super virtuous. Again, this is a lot more complicated than you are giving it credit for. --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:949771234] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>I do think trans men and women should have to prove themselves in some way. Though I love sports, they're still just sports at the end of the day. I'm not going to overly worry about a handful of scummy real or fake trans people ruining "muh sanctity". I think we can easily iron issues out. This all really goes back to societal acceptance of the trans community. We all know a lot of the loud voices here are people that simply don't believe transgenderism is real. Painting them as crazy perverts and grifters is what they'll do whether or not the topic is sports. It's weird that people are doomsaying while also calling the issue nuanced and complicated. The latter implies we have yet to figure out a solution.</quote> I'm not doomsaying, but I don't think you can just deny the possibility of there being any problems with this. The reality is that we won't KNOW that things will work out fine until it has been tested. It seems reasonable to think trans women would generally have physical advantages over cis women. I don't know to what degree this could effect competitiveness in female leagues. It could vary between sports. With certain sports the physical difference may be negligible. I very much think transgenderism is real and don't see any evidence that people arguing that this will cause issues is any transgenderism. You just sound like you're straw manning the "other" to make yourself sound super virtuous. Again, this is a lot more complicated than you are giving it credit for. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 01/21/21 9:20:23 PM #167:	hockeybub89 posted... What if unicorns show up on the field and give the advantage back to cis women? I don't fucking know. I think we should do things and then adjust from there. You can ban things based on hypotheticals, but you'll never know the reality until you actually do things. So are you saying you're potentially for not allowing trans women to compete with cis women in sports if it results in a significantly imbalanced competitive field in favor of trans women? I agree with you in the sense that I'd prefer to just lean inclusive and just let the experiment play out, but I think it is super disingenuous to act like the possibility of a competitive imbalance is too miniscule to consider. Like it stands to reason that a trans woman and a cis woman will have different body types on average right? Is this an accurate thing to think or not? Does hormone therapy prior to puberty level the playing field? --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:949771430] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>What if unicorns show up on the field and give the advantage back to cis women? I don't fucking know. I think we should do things and then adjust from there. You can ban things based on hypotheticals, but you'll never know the reality until you actually do things.</quote> So are you saying you're potentially for not allowing trans women to compete with cis women in sports if it results in a significantly imbalanced competitive field in favor of trans women? I agree with you in the sense that I'd prefer to just lean inclusive and just let the experiment play out, but I think it is super disingenuous to act like the possibility of a competitive imbalance is too miniscule to consider. Like it stands to reason that a trans woman and a cis woman will have different body types on average right? Is this an accurate thing to think or not? Does hormone therapy prior to puberty level the playing field? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FortuneCookie 01/21/21 9:29:36 PM #168:	Goodbye cisgender female athletes. Going forward, all champions will be people born with penises. I get that transwomen are women, but this is like letting superheroes compete in women's sports. I'd bar Supergirl from competing and that has nothing to do with what is or was between her legs. <cite>FortuneCookie posted [p:949771717] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>Goodbye cisgender female athletes. Going forward, all champions will be people born with penises. I get that transwomen are women, but this is like letting superheroes compete in women's sports. I'd bar Supergirl from competing and that has nothing to do with what is or was between her legs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 01/21/21 9:29:59 PM #169:	You keep saying "Let's try it and let it play out." As if we don't already know the facts. We've already seen it As if that logic isn't insane. You don't test out bad ideas to get more data on how bad it is. You don't drive with a baby on the roof to measure how dangerous it is for the baby. The NBA doesn't have to trial having 7 balls at play at once to see if it's a bad idea. This is madness. That logic is backwards, you'd need to start out with evidence that strongly demonstrates being born in a male body no effect on your body being physically superior to a female one to justify actually allowing transgender women to play against biological woman in physical sports and we've already proven they have a strong advantage. Over and over... I feel like a straight man in a comedy farce at this point... --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949771729] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>You keep saying "Let's try it and let it play out." As if we don't already know the facts. We've already seen itAs if that logic isn't insane. You don't test out bad ideas to get more data on how bad it is. You don't drive with a baby on the roof to measure how dangerous it is for the baby. The NBA doesn't have to trial having 7 balls at play at once to see if it's a bad idea. This is madness. That logic is backwards, you'd need to start out with evidence that strongly demonstrates being born in a male body no effect on your body being physically superior to a female one to justify actually allowing transgender women to play against biological woman in physical sports and we've already proven they have a strong advantage. Over and over...I feel like a straight man in a comedy farce at this point... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Arcanine2009 01/21/21 9:32:49 PM #170:	UnfairRepresent posted... Mary Gregory who instantly broke 9 biological female world records in one night with ease As a male, Mary posted the following numbers pre HRT on her Instagram account Squat - 408 Bench - 298 Deadlift 507 Total 1213 Bodyweight - 217 9 months after starting HRT. These numbers were what she got at the meet in question Squat - 314 Bench - 233 Deadlift 424 Total 971 Bodyweight - 179.3 Now that's about a 20% drop in all her lifts after going on HRT, and about a 20% drop in bodyweight. That's to be expected as the body adapts to the new hormone levels. In powerlifting, we use the Wilks coefficient to determine the best lifter across all weight classes. It takes your total, and modifies it based on a mathematical formula to allow you to compare yourself against everyone else. Men and women use different formulas as their physiology is different. Mary's Wilks score using the male data was 337. After 9 months of HRT, when Mary competed in the female division her score jumped up to 399. That's a 62 point jump (a 20% increase) in her abilities compared to her peers in less than a year. So in nine months, on HRT which reduces testosterone, muscle mass etc, Mary had gains the likes of which are only seen in brand new lifters who are still learning how to powerlift. When I compared Mary's results to the database in Open Powerlifting, a website dedicated to recording statistics for all powerlifting federations around the world, here's what I got. In the 40-44 age group, Mary's male ranking was at the 38th percentile. So better than average, but still middle of the pack. Using her numbers as a female, she moved into the 6th percentile. So top 10% in all of women's drug tested powerlifting in that age group. If all things were equal in the HRT process, we should have seen Mary's results put her in the 38th percentile of female lifters, but that clearly did not happen. Once again, I have to stress that neither I, or my federation wants to ban lifters like Mary from competing. In fact one of our core beliefs is that if you can lift a barbell, and you aren't taking PED's, then you have a place with us. But it's very clear based on the numbers provided that Mary received a performance boost from transitioning from a male to a female lifter compared to her peer group. That's not at all fair to the rest of the lifters in that division. tl;dr. She had a massive advantage due to biology I'm assuming she was fairly lean in the former?. Losing 37lbs will definitely make you weaker in your lifts. wonder how often she tried to lift when she was losing weight. but yeah, even the latter is far stronger than the average and athletic woman, at least for upper body. anyway, let's look it from a natural born woman's perspective. I can totally see how many would be against this, and how they could be at a huge diadvantage vs trans women due to being born with a smaller frame, less bone density, smaller/thinner arms, joints etc. This doesn't even include muscle mass post operation too. More studies need to be done, and there likely needs to be put some heavy regulations unfortunately. heck sports regulators might not even think it would be worth the effort, and they could be limited to mixed sports teams, men's or free for all. It sucks for everyone involved. --- Less is more. Everything you want, isn't everything you need. <cite>Arcanine2009 posted [p:949771819] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Mary Gregory who instantly broke 9 biological female world records in one night with ease As a male, Mary posted the following numbers pre HRT on her Instagram account Squat - 408 Bench - 298 Deadlift 507 Total 1213 Bodyweight - 217 9 months after starting HRT. These numbers were what she got at the meet in question Squat - 314 Bench - 233 Deadlift 424 Total 971 Bodyweight - 179.3 Now that's about a 20% drop in all her lifts after going on HRT, and about a 20% drop in bodyweight. That's to be expected as the body adapts to the new hormone levels. In powerlifting, we use the Wilks coefficient to determine the best lifter across all weight classes. It takes your total, and modifies it based on a mathematical formula to allow you to compare yourself against everyone else. Men and women use different formulas as their physiology is different. Mary's Wilks score using the male data was 337. After 9 months of HRT, when Mary competed in the female division her score jumped up to 399. That's a 62 point jump (a 20% increase) in her abilities compared to her peers in less than a year. So in nine months, on HRT which reduces testosterone, muscle mass etc, Mary had gains the likes of which are only seen in brand new lifters who are still learning how to powerlift. When I compared Mary's results to the database in Open Powerlifting, a website dedicated to recording statistics for all powerlifting federations around the world, here's what I got. In the 40-44 age group, Mary's male ranking was at the 38th percentile. So better than average, but still middle of the pack. Using her numbers as a female, she moved into the 6th percentile. So top 10% in all of women's drug tested powerlifting in that age group. If all things were equal in the HRT process, we should have seen Mary's results put her in the 38th percentile of female lifters, but that clearly did not happen. Once again, I have to stress that neither I, or my federation wants to ban lifters like Mary from competing. In fact one of our core beliefs is that if you can lift a barbell, and you aren't taking PED's, then you have a place with us. But it's very clear based on the numbers provided that Mary received a performance boost from transitioning from a male to a female lifter compared to her peer group. That's not at all fair to the rest of the lifters in that division. tl;dr. She had a massive advantage due to biology</quote>I'm assuming she was fairly lean in the former?. Losing 37lbs will definitely make you weaker in your lifts. wonder how often she tried to lift when she was losing weight. but yeah, even the latter is far stronger than the average and athletic woman, at least for upper body. anyway, let's look it from a natural born woman's perspective. I can totally see how many would be against this, and how they could be at a huge diadvantage vs trans women due to being born with a smaller frame, less bone density, smaller/thinner arms, joints etc. This doesn't even include muscle mass post operation too. More studies need to be done, and there likely needs to be put some heavy regulations unfortunately. heck sports regulators might not even think it would be worth the effort, and they could be limited to mixed sports teams, men's or free for all. It sucks for everyone involved. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImperialScrolls 01/21/21 9:48:11 PM #171:	Folks, look up track & field statistics sometime. The fastest women who have ever lived wouldn't be able to win a California boys high school state championship meet, even if they were able to replicate their world record performances. There's a reason why sports have been segregated by sex (not gender identity); men and women differ vastly in terms of size, speed, musculature, and so on. <cite>ImperialScrolls posted [p:949772355] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>Folks, look up track & field statistics sometime. The fastest women who have ever lived wouldn't be able to win a California boys high school state championship meet, even if they were able to replicate their world record performances. There's a reason why sports have been segregated by sex (not gender identity); men and women differ vastly in terms of size, speed, musculature, and so on. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
STEROLIZER 01/21/21 9:53:29 PM #172:	UnfairRepresent posted... I'd 100% support Frank Mir if he transitioned tomorrow but I would be opposed to her having a fight against Thug Rose. Bellator would literally book Frank Mir vs Cyborg the day of his transition. --- ---./\|,-``\(o)_\,----,,,_........................Love is like a bottle of gin ---( `\(o),,_/` : o : : :o `-,..............But a bottle of gin is not like love. <cite>STEROLIZER posted [p:949772542] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>I'd 100% support Frank Mir if he transitioned tomorrow but I would be opposed to her having a fight against Thug Rose.</quote> Bellator would literally book Frank Mir vs Cyborg the day of his transition. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
skermac 01/21/21 9:56:31 PM #173:	so is it ok for mtf transgenders who still have muscled male looking bodies to play sports against weak biological girls, it may and may not be discrimination but shouldnt a sports club be able to say who can play for them? --- To the edge of the universe and back, endure and survive <cite>skermac posted [p:949772650] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>so is it ok for mtf transgenders who still have muscled male looking bodies to play sports against weak biological girls, it may and may not be discrimination but shouldnt a sports club be able to say who can play for them? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dathrowed1 01/21/21 9:57:15 PM #174:	ImperialScrolls posted... Folks, look up track & field statistics sometime. The fastest women who have ever lived wouldn't be able to win a California boys high school state championship meet, even if they were able to replicate their world record performances. There's a reason why sports have been segregated by sex (not gender identity); men and women differ vastly in terms of size, speed, musculature, and so on. Don't forget these women were juiced on androgens too --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:949772672] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>ImperialScrolls posted... </cite> <quote>Folks, look up track & field statistics sometime. The fastest women who have ever lived wouldn't be able to win a California boys high school state championship meet, even if they were able to replicate their world record performances. There's a reason why sports have been segregated by sex (not gender identity); men and women differ vastly in terms of size, speed, musculature, and so on.</quote>Don't forget these women were juiced on androgens too </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 01/21/21 10:08:31 PM #175:	UnfairRepresent posted... You keep saying "Let's try it and let it play out." 1. As if we don't already know the facts. We've already seen it 2. As if that logic isn't insane. You don't test out bad ideas to get more data on how bad it is. You don't drive with a baby on the roof to measure how dangerous it is for the baby. The NBA doesn't have to trial having 7 balls at play at once to see if it's a bad idea. This is madness. That logic is backwards, you'd need to start out with evidence that strongly demonstrates being born in a male body no effect on your body being physically superior to a female one to justify actually allowing transgender women to play against biological woman in physical sports and we've already proven they have a strong advantage. Over and over... I feel like a straight man in a comedy farce at this point... Can you stop saying "biological women?" Are trans women and men synthetic or something? There are better ways to reference atypical conditions. This is like comparing people on the autism spectrum to "normal/sane/biological people". Biology is more than your sex chomosomes. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:949773028] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>You keep saying "Let's try it and let it play out." 1. As if we don't already know the facts. We've already seen it 2. As if that logic isn't insane. You don't test out bad ideas to get more data on how bad it is. You don't drive with a baby on the roof to measure how dangerous it is for the baby. The NBA doesn't have to trial having 7 balls at play at once to see if it's a bad idea. This is madness. That logic is backwards, you'd need to start out with evidence that strongly demonstrates being born in a male body no effect on your body being physically superior to a female one to justify actually allowing transgender women to play against biological woman in physical sports and we've already proven they have a strong advantage. Over and over... I feel like a straight man in a comedy farce at this point...</quote>Can you stop saying "biological women?" Are trans women and men synthetic or something? There are better ways to reference atypical conditions. This is like comparing people on the autism spectrum to "normal/sane/biological people". Biology is more than your sex chomosomes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
skermac 01/21/21 10:22:16 PM #176:	hockeybub89 posted... Can you stop saying "biological women?" Are trans women and men synthetic or something? There are better ways to reference atypical conditions. This is like comparing people on the autism spectrum to "normal/sane/biological people". Biology is more than your sex chomosomes. instead of saying biological girl how about people born with a girls body? --- To the edge of the universe and back, endure and survive <cite>skermac posted [p:949773504] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>Can you stop saying "biological women?" Are trans women and men synthetic or something? There are better ways to reference atypical conditions. This is like comparing people on the autism spectrum to "normal/sane/biological people". Biology is more than your sex chomosomes.</quote> instead of saying biological girl how about people born with a girls body? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Galliumtheone 01/21/21 10:47:04 PM #177:	pinky0926 posted... These are...not equivocal things Supporting equality and being against exclusion are one and the same. Don't say someone born with a dick should be allowed to shit in a woman's restroom and out of the other side of your mouth, say they shouldn't be allowed to compete in women's sports. <cite>Galliumtheone posted [p:949774353] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>pinky0926 posted... </cite> <quote>These are...not equivocal things</quote> Supporting equality and being against exclusion are one and the same. Don't say someone born with a dick should be allowed to shit in a woman's restroom and out of the other side of your mouth, say they shouldn't be allowed to compete in women's sports. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 01/21/21 10:49:15 PM #178:	Galliumtheone posted... Supporting equality and being against exclusion are one and the same. Don't say someone born with a dick should be allowed to shit in a woman's restroom and out of the other side of your mouth, say they shouldn't be allowed to compete in women's sports. Why are those comparable --- Trying to dunk since July 2020 <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:949774435] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>Galliumtheone posted... </cite> <quote>Supporting equality and being against exclusion are one and the same. Don't say someone born with a dick should be allowed to shit in a woman's restroom and out of the other side of your mouth, say they shouldn't be allowed to compete in women's sports.</quote> Why are those comparable </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 01/21/21 10:53:42 PM #179:	Nearly 200 posts, no stripes-of-shame yet. Is Error on vacation or something? UnfairRepresent posted... No 135 pound pro boxer girl can beat a 135 pound male pro boxer I think a 115 pound male boxer would beat a 150 pound female one This is nothing a promotion and relegation system can't fix. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:949774589] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>Nearly 200 posts, no stripes-of-shame yet. Is Error on vacation or something? UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>No 135 pound pro boxer girl can beat a 135 pound male pro boxer I think a 115 pound male boxer would beat a 150 pound female one</quote>This is nothing a promotion and relegation system can't fix. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Galliumtheone 01/21/21 10:54:36 PM #180:	Balrog0 posted... Why are those comparable Reminds me of Friday. That scene where DJ Pooh gets his chain taken by Tiny and Ice Cube brings up when he got choked out by Tiny and Pooh didn't help him. "Oh... That's different." <cite>Galliumtheone posted [p:949774619] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>Balrog0 posted... </cite> <quote>Why are those comparable </quote> Reminds me of Friday. That scene where DJ Pooh gets his chain taken by Tiny and Ice Cube brings up when he got choked out by Tiny and Pooh didn't help him. "Oh... That's different." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
l0gic 01/21/21 10:59:27 PM #181:	jon1012 posted... I don't support bio men competing with bio women on the professional level Agreed. The reasons are obvious, and anyone acting like they're not is just trying to score virtue points and/or afraid to go against popular opinion. <cite>l0gic posted [p:949774773] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>jon1012 posted... </cite> <quote>I don't support bio men competing with bio women on the professional level</quote> Agreed. The reasons are obvious, and anyone acting like they're not is just trying to score virtue points and/or afraid to go against popular opinion. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
l0gic 01/21/21 11:04:51 PM #182:	Like, you have to be astoundingly ignorant on basic biology to not understand how much of an overwhelming advantage men generally have over women in physical prowess. No transwoman should be allowed to fight a biological woman, because 8 out of 10 times, it won't be a fight; the former will absolutely fucking maul the latter. <cite>l0gic posted [p:949774922] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>Like, you have to be astoundingly ignorant on basic biology to not understand how much of an overwhelming advantage men generally have over women in physical prowess. No transwoman should be allowed to fight a biological woman, because 8 out of 10 times, it won't be a fight; the former will absolutely fucking maul the latter. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 01/21/21 11:06:19 PM #183:	l0gic posted... because 8 out of 10 times ...what about the other two? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:949774949] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>l0gic posted... </cite> <quote>because 8 out of 10 times</quote>...what about the other two? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
l0gic 01/21/21 11:09:58 PM #185:	Questionmarktarius posted... ...what about the other two? That was just me being fair, because even outside of sports, some women can beat up some men. But overall, the vast majority of transwomen are going to be much more physically capable than biological women, just like the vast majority of men have much greater physical prowess than women. <cite>l0gic posted [p:949775063] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>...what about the other two?</quote> That was just me being fair, because even outside of sports, some women can beat up some men. But overall, the vast majority of transwomen are going to be much more physically capable than biological women, just like the vast majority of men have much greater physical prowess than women. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorenzo_2003 01/21/21 11:20:03 PM #186:	ManicPlumber77 posted... Lol, hormone therapy makes you lose muscle mass at a rapid rate, Get a basic understanding of biochem, noob. Eh, muscle mass wouldnt be the only consideration, though. Bone structure, for example, would be especially relevant to a fighting sport. --- ... <cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted [p:949775329] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>ManicPlumber77 posted... </cite> <quote>Lol, hormone therapy makes you lose muscle mass at a rapid rate, Get a basic understanding of biochem, noob.</quote> Eh, muscle mass wouldnt be the only consideration, though. Bone structure, for example, would be especially relevant to a fighting sport. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
l0gic 01/21/21 11:25:20 PM #187:	ManicPlumber77 posted... Again, citation needed Stop pulling garbage out of your ass and throwing it onto a message board. Are you fucking insane? Men have a HUGE advantage over women in physical prowess. Transwomen are still men biologically. Stop acting like a righteous tough guy and face facts. <cite>l0gic posted [p:949775460] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>ManicPlumber77 posted... </cite> <quote>Again, citation needed Stop pulling garbage out of your ass and throwing it onto a message board.</quote> Are you fucking insane? Men have a HUGE advantage over women in physical prowess. Transwomen are still men biologically. Stop acting like a righteous tough guy and face facts. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Galliumtheone 01/21/21 11:29:33 PM #188:	l0gic posted... Agreed. The reasons are obvious, and anyone acting like they're not is just trying to score virtue points and/or afraid to go against popular opinion. If you're a "man," compete with the men. l0gic posted... Are you fucking insane? Men have a HUGE advantage over women in physical prowess. Transwomen are still men biologically. Stop acting like a righteous tough guy and face facts. Hey, we can't discriminate anymore. Trans folks have their rights... <cite>Galliumtheone posted [p:949775592] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>l0gic posted... </cite> <quote>Agreed. The reasons are obvious, and anyone acting like they're not is just trying to score virtue points and/or afraid to go against popular opinion.</quote> If you're a "man," compete with the men. l0gic posted... </cite> <quote>Are you fucking insane? Men have a HUGE advantage over women in physical prowess. Transwomen are still men biologically. Stop acting like a righteous tough guy and face facts.</quote> Hey, we can't discriminate anymore. Trans folks have their rights... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wheredayayo 01/21/21 11:30:31 PM #189:	Listen no matter how hsrd you try transwomen aka men will always have the y chromosome. Only 2 sexes exist male and female no matter how many different names you Wana come up with. You will never be able to change what you were born as. You can try to hide it tho, just deal with it <cite>wheredayayo posted [p:949775619] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>Listen no matter how hsrd you try transwomen aka men will always have the y chromosome. Only 2 sexes exist male and female no matter how many different names you Wana come up with. You will never be able to change what you were born as. You can try to hide it tho, just deal with it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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iPhone_7 01/21/21 11:35:45 PM #191:	Women should be able to compete in womens sports. Transwomen are women. There is no gray area, there is no nuance, if you disagree you are a bigot and probably altright. This isnt difficult. --- Sig User Logic https://imgur.com/lA5fm7w <cite>iPhone_7 posted [p:949775767] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>Women should be able to compete in womens sports. Transwomen are women. There is no gray area, there is no nuance, if you disagree you are a bigot and probably altright. This isnt difficult. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wheredayayo 01/21/21 11:37:07 PM #192:	Conflict posted... ^ Guys don't even respond to it. Just mark the post it made and keep it moving Go ahead mod and get it deleted. It won't change the truth. You can cry in ur pillow at night knowing it will ALWAYS BE FACT , <cite>wheredayayo posted [p:949775797] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>Conflict posted... </cite> <quote>^ Guys don't even respond to it. Just mark the post it made and keep it moving</quote> Go ahead mod and get it deleted. It won't change the truth. You can cry in ur pillow at night knowing it will ALWAYS BE FACT , </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wheredayayo 01/21/21 11:38:19 PM #194:	iPhone_7 posted... Women should be able to compete in womens sports. Transwomen are women. There is no gray area, there is no nuance, if you disagree you are a bigot and probably altright. This isnt difficult. Ummm no sorry not really sorry tho, hope you don't reproduce it else the world is fuked <cite>wheredayayo posted [p:949775821] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>iPhone_7 posted... </cite> <quote>Women should be able to compete in womens sports. Transwomen are women. There is no gray area, there is no nuance, if you disagree you are a bigot and probably altright. This isnt difficult.</quote> Ummm no sorry not really sorry tho, hope you don't reproduce it else the world is fuked </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heavy_D_Forever 01/21/21 11:39:19 PM #195:	iPhone_7 posted... Women should be able to compete in womens sports. Transwomen are women. There is no gray area, there is no nuance, if you disagree you are a bigot and probably altright. This isnt difficult. One has a bigger and stronger body than the other giving them an unfair advantage in any physical competition. This isn't difficult. --- E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES <cite>Heavy_D_Forever posted [p:949775852] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>iPhone_7 posted... </cite> <quote>Women should be able to compete in womens sports. Transwomen are women. There is no gray area, there is no nuance, if you disagree you are a bigot and probably altright. This isnt difficult.</quote>One has a bigger and stronger body than the other giving them an unfair advantage in any physical competition. This isn't difficult. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 01/21/21 11:40:26 PM #196:	Conflict posted... Oh hey it's talking again here. you're gonna need this: <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:949775883] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>Conflict posted... </cite> <quote>Oh hey it's talking again</quote>here. you're gonna need this: </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BilalPowell 01/21/21 11:40:31 PM #197:	Would Lebron be able to join the WNBA if he declares himself a woman after retiring from the NBA? --- Former #1 Birmingham Iron Fan. RIP AAF <cite>BilalPowell posted [p:949775887] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>Would Lebron be able to join the WNBA if he declares himself a woman after retiring from the NBA? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wheredayayo 01/21/21 11:41:24 PM #198:	Heavy_D_Forever posted... One has a bigger and stronger body than the other giving them an unfair advantage in any physical competition. This isn't difficult. It is for some which is depressing <cite>wheredayayo posted [p:949775907] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>Heavy_D_Forever posted... </cite> <quote>One has a bigger and stronger body than the other giving them an unfair advantage in any physical competition. This isn't difficult.</quote> It is for some which is depressing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
l0gic 01/21/21 11:41:51 PM #199:	iPhone_7 posted... Women should be able to compete in womens sports. Transwomen are women. There is no gray area, there is no nuance, if you disagree you are a bigot and probably altright. This isnt difficult. It's interesting how the self-righteous always seem to hate nuance... <cite>l0gic posted [p:949775922] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>iPhone_7 posted... </cite> <quote>Women should be able to compete in womens sports. Transwomen are women. There is no gray area, there is no nuance, if you disagree you are a bigot and probably altright. This isnt difficult.</quote> It's interesting how the self-righteous always seem to hate nuance... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iPhone_7 01/21/21 11:43:04 PM #200:	.....you are a bigot. --- Sig User Logic https://imgur.com/lA5fm7w <cite>iPhone_7 posted [p:949775956] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>.....you are a bigot. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dathrowed1 01/21/21 11:43:41 PM #201:	I think another thing missing: how the menstrual cycle affects performance in sports --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:949775974] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>I think another thing missing: how the menstrual cycle affects performance in sports </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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