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Lebronwon 01/21/21 4:02:38 PM #1:	https://nypost.com/2021/01/21/joe-biden-sparks-terf-war-with-gender-discrimination-order/ President Biden set off a heated identity politics debate less than 24 hours into his presidency when he signed a gender discrimination order that has drawn heat from critics who accuse him of erasing womens rights. Language in the order would allow transgender women to participate in womens sport leagues. The policy seeks to enforce a Supreme Court ruling from last year that prohibits discrimination on the basis of someones gender identity and sexual orientation. Every person should be treated with respect and dignity and should be able to live without fear, no matter who they are or whom they love, read the order, signed on Bidens first day in office Wednesday. Children should be able to learn without worrying about whether they will be denied access to the restroom, the locker room, or school sports. The implied politicization of gender in sports drew immediate outrage online with #BidenErasedWomen and #TERFs becoming some of the top trending Twitter hashtags in the US on Thursday morning, as two sides of the political debate duked it out. Unilaterally imposing trans ideology on a nation with no thought for womens rights is not how you create unity, feminist activist Dr. Jane Clare Jones wrote in a tweet, criticizing the decision. Wall Street Journal reporter Abigail Shrier also took to Twitter to lash Bidens order, which she said unilaterally eviscerates womens sports. Any educational institution that receives federal funding must admit biologically-male athletes to womens teams, womens scholarships, etc. A new glass ceiling was just placed over girls, Shrier said. The LGB Alliance, a lesbian, gay and bisexual alliance group from the UK which has also been labeled transphobic, said it was appalled by Bidens order. We are appalled by @potuss executive order erasing the sex-based rights of women and girls, read a tweet from the group. It deals a severe blow to women and girls in sport, prisons, rape shelters, hospitals etc and bans lesbians and gays from having our own spaces. We will help our US friends to oppose it. Film director Sonia Poulton also pushed back on the charge that she was transphobic for criticizing Bidens order. I get called TERF because I believe women have a right to our own sports, prisons, refuges & spaces and because I believe children should be protected from people who seek to sexualise them and to confuse them about who they are. Happy to stand for what I do, she wrote. Added another pundit: If you think opposition to biological advantage is transphobia, youre a fucking idiot. --- Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7 <cite>Lebronwon posted [p:949760142] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>https://nypost.com/2021/01/21/joe-biden-sparks-terf-war-with-gender-discrimination-order/ President Biden set off a heated identity politics debate less than 24 hours into his presidency when he signed a gender discrimination order that has drawn heat from critics who accuse him of erasing womens rights. Language in the order would allow transgender women to participate in womens sport leagues. The policy seeks to enforce a Supreme Court ruling from last year that prohibits discrimination on the basis of someones gender identity and sexual orientation. Every person should be treated with respect and dignity and should be able to live without fear, no matter who they are or whom they love, read the order, signed on Bidens first day in office Wednesday. Children should be able to learn without worrying about whether they will be denied access to the restroom, the locker room, or school sports. The implied politicization of gender in sports drew immediate outrage online with #BidenErasedWomen and #TERFs becoming some of the top trending Twitter hashtags in the US on Thursday morning, as two sides of the political debate duked it out. Unilaterally imposing trans ideology on a nation with no thought for womens rights is not how you create unity, feminist activist Dr. Jane Clare Jones wrote in a tweet, criticizing the decision. Wall Street Journal reporter Abigail Shrier also took to Twitter to lash Bidens order, which she said unilaterally eviscerates womens sports. Any educational institution that receives federal funding must admit biologically-male athletes to womens teams, womens scholarships, etc. A new glass ceiling was just placed over girls, Shrier said. The LGB Alliance, a lesbian, gay and bisexual alliance group from the UK which has also been labeled transphobic, said it was appalled by Bidens order. We are appalled by @potuss executive order erasing the sex-based rights of women and girls, read a tweet from the group. It deals a severe blow to women and girls in sport, prisons, rape shelters, hospitals etc and bans lesbians and gays from having our own spaces. We will help our US friends to oppose it. Film director Sonia Poulton also pushed back on the charge that she was transphobic for criticizing Bidens order. I get called TERF because I believe women have a right to our own sports, prisons, refuges & spaces and because I believe children should be protected from people who seek to sexualise them and to confuse them about who they are. Happy to stand for what I do, she wrote. Added another pundit: If you think opposition to biological advantage is transphobia, youre a fucking idiot. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CouldBeAnAlt 01/21/21 4:03:02 PM #2:	Lol terfs <cite>CouldBeAnAlt posted [p:949760157] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>Lol terfs </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 01/21/21 4:03:37 PM #3:	Someone think of the poor poor terfs --- https://imgur.com/VeNBg https://imgur.com/gd5jC8q https://imgur.com/PKIy7 https://imgur.com/3p29JqP <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:949760179] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>Someone think of the poor poor terfs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 01/21/21 4:03:38 PM #4:	Wtf we love discrimination now? --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. <cite>Irony posted [p:949760181] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>Wtf we love discrimination now? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 01/21/21 4:09:45 PM #5:	UnholyMudcrab posted... Someone think of the poor poor terfs --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>Funkydog posted [p:949760391] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>UnholyMudcrab posted... </cite> <quote>Someone think of the poor poor terfs</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 01/21/21 4:14:06 PM #6:	Irony posted... Wtf we love discrimination now? I don't think its fair to lump "Transgender women shouldn't box naturally born women " and "Transgenders aren't allowed in our bar" both as the same thing and discrimination Biology is still a thing. Gender is a social one. I'd 100% support Frank Mir if he transitioned tomorrow but I would be opposed to her having a fight against Thug Rose. There's a reason male and female sports are separated in the first place and that's because men are physically superior, bigger, stronger, faster, tougher etc. Female athletes can't compete with male ones . There is no rule that says no women can complete in the NFL for example but even the absolute worst Pro NFL player is better than the absolute best pro female player This fact of biology sucks and if I was god I wouldn't have created it that way, but its still a fact of biology. Transgender women will by default have an advantage over natural born girls. I don't get why this is a zero sum game, why can't you ban businesses/laws from discriminating but still not desegregate sports for obvious reasons? Transgenders aren't unreasonable people, they would fully understand this. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949760557] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>Irony posted... </cite> <quote>Wtf we love discrimination now?</quote>I don't think its fair to lump "Transgender women shouldn't box naturally born women " and "Transgenders aren't allowed in our bar" both as the same thing and discrimination Biology is still a thing. Gender is a social one. I'd 100% support Frank Mir if he transitioned tomorrow but I would be opposed to her having a fight against Thug Rose. There's a reason male and female sports are separated in the first place and that's because men are physically superior, bigger, stronger, faster, tougher etc. Female athletes can't compete with male ones . There is no rule that says no women can complete in the NFL for example but even the absolute worst Pro NFL player is better than the absolute best pro female player This fact of biology sucks and if I was god I wouldn't have created it that way, but its still a fact of biology. Transgender women will by default have an advantage over natural born girls. I don't get why this is a zero sum game, why can't you ban businesses/laws from discriminating but still not desegregate sports for obvious reasons? Transgenders aren't unreasonable people, they would fully understand this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gwynevere 01/21/21 4:15:30 PM #7:	Fuck terfs --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:949760609] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>Fuck terfs </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smackems 01/21/21 4:15:45 PM #8:	I ain't touching this shit with a ten foot pole --- Common sense shot Elmo! - some dude <cite>Smackems posted [p:949760620] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>I ain't touching this shit with a ten foot pole </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ManicPlumber77 01/21/21 4:16:16 PM #9:	UnfairRepresent posted... I don't think its fair to lump "Transgender women shouldn't box naturally born women " and "Transgenders aren't allowed in our bar" both as the same thing and discrimination Biology is still a thing. Gender is a social one. I'd 100% support Frank Mir if he transitioned tomorrow but I would be opposed to her having a fight against Thug Rose. There's a reason male and female sports are separated in the first place and that's because men are physically superior, bigger, stronger, faster, tougher etc. Female athletes can't compete with male ones . There is no rule that says no women can complete in the NFL for example but even the absolute worst Pro NFL player is better than the absolute best pro female player This fact of biology sucks and if I was god I wouldn't have created it that way, but its still a fact of biology. Transgender women will by default have an advantage over natural born girls. I don't get why this is a zero sum game, why can't you ban businesses/laws from discriminating but still not desegregate sports for obvious reasons? Transgenders aren't unreasonable people, they would fully understand this. Lol, hormone therapy makes you lose muscle mass at a rapid rate, Get a basic understanding of biochem, noob. --- This is a sig. <cite>ManicPlumber77 posted [p:949760641] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>I don't think its fair to lump "Transgender women shouldn't box naturally born women " and "Transgenders aren't allowed in our bar" both as the same thing and discrimination Biology is still a thing. Gender is a social one. I'd 100% support Frank Mir if he transitioned tomorrow but I would be opposed to her having a fight against Thug Rose. There's a reason male and female sports are separated in the first place and that's because men are physically superior, bigger, stronger, faster, tougher etc. Female athletes can't compete with male ones . There is no rule that says no women can complete in the NFL for example but even the absolute worst Pro NFL player is better than the absolute best pro female player This fact of biology sucks and if I was god I wouldn't have created it that way, but its still a fact of biology. Transgender women will by default have an advantage over natural born girls. I don't get why this is a zero sum game, why can't you ban businesses/laws from discriminating but still not desegregate sports for obvious reasons? Transgenders aren't unreasonable people, they would fully understand this.</quote>Lol, hormone therapy makes you lose muscle mass at a rapid rate, Get a basic understanding of biochem, noob. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 01/21/21 4:17:28 PM #10:	"Eliminating women's rights" Oh fucking please, TERF trash --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:949760678] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>"Eliminating women's rights" Oh fucking please, TERF trash </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 01/21/21 4:17:34 PM #11:	TERFs can suck it. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:949760679] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>TERFs can suck it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 01/21/21 4:18:04 PM #12:	Yyyyyup. That's some TERF shit. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:949760688] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>Yyyyyup. That's some TERF shit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 01/21/21 4:19:06 PM #13:	Tbh some people make it seem like trans people don't have a place in sports period and those same people won't be happy with any solution other than outright exclusion. --- https://imgur.com/x04tPRZ https://imgur.com/t7T392I <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:949760726] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>Tbh some people make it seem like trans people don't have a place in sports period and those same people won't be happy with any solution other than outright exclusion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ManicPlumber77 01/21/21 4:21:05 PM #14:	Smashingpmkns posted... Tbh some people make it seem like trans people don't have a place in sports period and those same people won't be happy with any solution other than outright exclusion. This. Bodybuilding especially. Given that feminizing HRT makes it so muscle mass degrades considerably, and needs to have twice the work put in that cis competitors would have to put in to achieve the same result, I really don't know why people are so against it. Are we really so inhuman as to be fearful of others, simply because their circumstance is not our own? --- This is a sig. <cite>ManicPlumber77 posted [p:949760801] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted... </cite> <quote>Tbh some people make it seem like trans people don't have a place in sports period and those same people won't be happy with any solution other than outright exclusion.</quote>This. Bodybuilding especially. Given that feminizing HRT makes it so muscle mass degrades considerably, and needs to have twice the work put in that cis competitors would have to put in to achieve the same result, I really don't know why people are so against it. Are we really so inhuman as to be fearful of others, simply because their circumstance is not our own? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 01/21/21 4:23:08 PM #15:	Smashingpmkns posted... Tbh some people make it seem like trans people don't have a place in sports period and those same people won't be happy with any solution other than outright exclusion. I don't see any reason to exclude them from mens sports leagues But I don't see any solution beyond exclusion from woman born sports leagues Just look at Mary Gregory. There is no competition biologically. That's an inconvenient truth but it is a fact. You can't conflate social gender attitudes with biological realities of the human body as the same thing. That's... crazy --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949760886] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>Smashingpmkns posted... </cite> <quote>Tbh some people make it seem like trans people don't have a place in sports period and those same people won't be happy with any solution other than outright exclusion.</quote>I don't see any reason to exclude them from mens sports leagues But I don't see any solution beyond exclusion from woman born sports leagues Just look at Mary Gregory. There is no competition biologically. That's an inconvenient truth but it is a fact. You can't conflate social gender attitudes with biological realities of the human body as the same thing. That's... crazy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jon1012 01/21/21 4:23:29 PM #16:	I don't support bio men competing with bio women on the professional level, but whatever. It doesn't really matter all that much to me. --- We are Borg. <cite>jon1012 posted [p:949760907] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>I don't support bio men competing with bio women on the professional level, but whatever. It doesn't really matter all that much to me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ManicPlumber77 01/21/21 4:24:46 PM #17:	UnfairRepresent posted... I don't see any reason to exclude them from mens sports leagues But I don't see any solution beyond exclusion from woman born sports leagues Just look at Mary Gregory. There is no competition biologically. That's an inconvenient truth but it is a fact. You can't conflate social gender attitudes with biological realities of the human body as the same thing. That's... crazy "Biological reality", again, get an understanding of basic biochem, nerd, and stop spouting terf rhetoric. Is it just your thing to have the shittiest takes possible? --- This is a sig. <cite>ManicPlumber77 posted [p:949760949] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>I don't see any reason to exclude them from mens sports leagues But I don't see any solution beyond exclusion from woman born sports leagues Just look at Mary Gregory. There is no competition biologically. That's an inconvenient truth but it is a fact. You can't conflate social gender attitudes with biological realities of the human body as the same thing. That's... crazy</quote>"Biological reality", again, get an understanding of basic biochem, nerd, and stop spouting terf rhetoric. Is it just your thing to have the shittiest takes possible? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ManicPlumber77 01/21/21 4:25:04 PM #18:	jon1012 posted... I don't support bio men competing with bio women on the professional level, but whatever. It doesn't really matter all that much to me. Why? --- This is a sig. <cite>ManicPlumber77 posted [p:949760956] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>jon1012 posted... </cite> <quote>I don't support bio men competing with bio women on the professional level, but whatever. It doesn't really matter all that much to me.</quote>Why? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teepan95 01/21/21 4:25:53 PM #19:	CouldBeAnAlt posted... Lol terfs --- teep dumb as f*** fr - BatmanVonDoom I'm gonna pound a 400 lb woman just to prove teep wrong - NigerianKnight <cite>teepan95 posted [p:949760985] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>CouldBeAnAlt posted...</cite> <quote>Lol terfs</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Human_Username 01/21/21 4:26:06 PM #20:	UnfairRepresent posted... I don't think its fair to lump "Transgender women shouldn't box naturally born women " and "Transgenders aren't allowed in our bar" both as the same thing and discrimination I've been saying this, but sadly it's somehow transphobic according to the site. --- Typical human signature, nothing to see here <cite>Human_Username posted [p:949760994] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>I don't think its fair to lump "Transgender women shouldn't box naturally born women " and "Transgenders aren't allowed in our bar" both as the same thing and discrimination</quote>I've been saying this, but sadly it's somehow transphobic according to the site. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 01/21/21 4:26:47 PM #21:	ManicPlumber77 posted... This. Bodybuilding especially. Given that feminizing HRT makes it so muscle mass degrades considerably, and needs to have twice the work put in that cis competitors would have to put in to achieve the same result, I really don't know why people are so against it. Are we really so inhuman as to be fearful of others, simply because their circumstance is not our own? You're being disingenuous as fuck to handwave undeniable biology as "fear" and 'circumstances " A transgender woman should not be discriminated against in law or in business or mistreated or insulted by people. Gender is a social construct. Thats circumstances But put her in a cage fight against a natural born girl and she has a unfair huge biological advantage that destroys the sport and competition thats not a social construct, it's objective hard science --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949761016] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>ManicPlumber77 posted... </cite> <quote>This. Bodybuilding especially. Given that feminizing HRT makes it so muscle mass degrades considerably, and needs to have twice the work put in that cis competitors would have to put in to achieve the same result, I really don't know why people are so against it. Are we really so inhuman as to be fearful of others, simply because their circumstance is not our own?</quote>You're being disingenuous as fuck to handwave undeniable biology as "fear" and 'circumstances " A transgender woman should not be discriminated against in law or in business or mistreated or insulted by people. Gender is a social construct. Thats circumstances But put her in a cage fight against a natural born girl and she has a unfair huge biological advantage that destroys the sport and competition thats not a social construct, it's objective hard science </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nemu 01/21/21 4:27:25 PM #22:	I don't get why participation in professional sports leagues is seen as like the holy grail of trans equality. There exist spaces in which the biological difference between cis and trans women matter, so to act like it doesn't matter in sports is just silly. We can accept that there is no difference socially in the grand majority of cases, but a space that does not include them does not mean it's discrimination. <cite>nemu posted [p:949761036] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>I don't get why participation in professional sports leagues is seen as like the holy grail of trans equality. There exist spaces in which the biological difference between cis and trans women matter, so to act like it doesn't matter in sports is just silly. We can accept that there is no difference socially in the grand majority of cases, but a space that does not include them does not mean it's discrimination. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teepan95 01/21/21 4:27:26 PM #23:	ManicPlumber77 posted... Is it just your thing to have the shittiest takes possible? Fwiw, if this topic were pro-terf, he'd be arguing against them --- teep dumb as f*** fr - BatmanVonDoom I'm gonna pound a 400 lb woman just to prove teep wrong - NigerianKnight <cite>teepan95 posted [p:949761037] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>ManicPlumber77 posted...</cite> <quote>Is it just your thing to have the shittiest takes possible?</quote> Fwiw, if this topic were pro-terf, he'd be arguing against them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crescente 01/21/21 4:28:03 PM #24:	It's very interesting to see the divide between the LGBT community and feminists. You'd think they were all in support of another. <cite>Crescente posted [p:949761053] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>It's very interesting to see the divide between the LGBT community and feminists. You'd think they were all in support of another. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaiganeer 01/21/21 4:28:20 PM #25:	men should compete with men, women should compete with women and transmen/transwomen should compete with transmen/transwomen <cite>Kaiganeer posted [p:949761065] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>men should compete with men, women should compete with women and transmen/transwomen should compete with transmen/transwomen </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 01/21/21 4:29:06 PM #26:	Human_Username posted... I've been saying this, but sadly it's somehow transphobic according to the site. I think people are too eager to right wrongs and stand up to the bigots that they have missed the forest for the trees Physical sports and competition are something that goes beyond thought process and attitude. That's pure biology --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949761090] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>Human_Username posted... </cite> <quote>I've been saying this, but sadly it's somehow transphobic according to the site.</quote>I think people are too eager to right wrongs and stand up to the bigots that they have missed the forest for the trees Physical sports and competition are something that goes beyond thought process and attitude. That's pure biology </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 01/21/21 4:29:41 PM #27:	Crescente posted... It's very interesting to see the divide between the LGBT community and feminists. You'd think they were all in support of another. There are feminists on both sides. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:949761108] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>Crescente posted... </cite> <quote>It's very interesting to see the divide between the LGBT community and feminists. You'd think they were all in support of another.</quote> There are feminists on both sides. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ManicPlumber77 01/21/21 4:30:08 PM #28:	Human_Username posted... I've been saying this, but sadly it's somehow transphobic according to the site. Because it is. You're ignoring everything else but their genitals. And you're assuming they even HAVE those genitals to begin with. Radfems want to be separated from their genitalia, and have their ideas and decisions respectfully considered regardless of the circumstance of their birth. HOWEVER, they kind of do the same thing that they claim to be so against by turning around and doing it to trans folks. Would you say that a biowoman with PCOS could box another woman boxer? You're assuming every woman is this flowery frail delicate wisp that could get knocked the fuck out with a light breeze, and, given that I've boxed women, as a trans woman, I can rightfully say that they could kick the shit out of you with barely any effort. Just, Stop. --- This is a sig. <cite>ManicPlumber77 posted [p:949761121] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>Human_Username posted... </cite> <quote>I've been saying this, but sadly it's somehow transphobic according to the site.</quote>Because it is. You're ignoring everything else but their genitals. And you're assuming they even HAVE those genitals to begin with. Radfems want to be separated from their genitalia, and have their ideas and decisions respectfully considered regardless of the circumstance of their birth. HOWEVER, they kind of do the same thing that they claim to be so against by turning around and doing it to trans folks. Would you say that a biowoman with PCOS could box another woman boxer? You're assuming every woman is this flowery frail delicate wisp that could get knocked the fuck out with a light breeze, and, given that I've boxed women, as a trans woman, I can rightfully say that they could kick the shit out of you with barely any effort. Just, Stop. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ManicPlumber77 01/21/21 4:30:53 PM #29:	UnfairRepresent posted... You're being disingenuous as fuck to handwave undeniable biology as "fear" and 'circumstances " A transgender woman should not be discriminated against in law or in business or mistreated or insulted by people. Gender is a social construct. Thats circumstances But put her in a cage fight against a natural born girl and she has a unfair huge biological advantage that destroys the sport and competition thats not a social construct, it's objective hard science citation needed --- This is a sig. <cite>ManicPlumber77 posted [p:949761146] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>You're being disingenuous as fuck to handwave undeniable biology as "fear" and 'circumstances " A transgender woman should not be discriminated against in law or in business or mistreated or insulted by people. Gender is a social construct. Thats circumstances But put her in a cage fight against a natural born girl and she has a unfair huge biological advantage that destroys the sport and competition thats not a social construct, it's objective hard science</quote>citation needed </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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dave_is_slick 01/21/21 4:32:12 PM #31:	ManicPlumber77 posted... citation needed ...really? --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:949761203] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>ManicPlumber77 posted... </cite> <quote>citation needed</quote>...really? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 01/21/21 4:33:15 PM #32:	teepan95 posted... Fwiw, if this topic were pro-terf, he'd be arguing against them I am anti-Terf and pro transgender rights. Feminists who hate and mistreat transgenders are no less bigoted than asshole guys who hate and mistreat transgenders Everyone deserves equal rights in law and employment But the specific subject of physical sports and competition? That's not a social issue. That's a biological one Biological female bodies cannot compete against biological male ones, that's why we segregate sports in the first place. If we didnt , women could not compete period Trying to put this on par with saying employers at an office can fire someone for being trans is madness --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949761242] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>teepan95 posted... </cite> <quote>Fwiw, if this topic were pro-terf, he'd be arguing against them</quote>I am anti-Terf and pro transgender rights. Feminists who hate and mistreat transgenders are no less bigoted than asshole guys who hate and mistreat transgenders Everyone deserves equal rights in law and employment But the specific subject of physical sports and competition? That's not a social issue. That's a biological one Biological female bodies cannot compete against biological male ones, that's why we segregate sports in the first place. If we didnt , women could not compete period Trying to put this on par with saying employers at an office can fire someone for being trans is madness </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ManicPlumber77 01/21/21 4:33:16 PM #33:	Crono99 posted... I don't get the argument that transwomen somehow "erase" women There's been transwomen forever, it's just that we pretty much ignored their existence for so long This, surprisingly. There was a place called the Institute of Sexology in Germany during WWII that got all of its research removed and burned by Nazis. Decades upon decades of LGBTQIAP++ Research decimated by a bunch of zealots. And we're still recovering. --- This is a sig. <cite>ManicPlumber77 posted [p:949761244] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>Crono99 posted... </cite> <quote>I don't get the argument that transwomen somehow "erase" women There's been transwomen forever, it's just that we pretty much ignored their existence for so long</quote>This, surprisingly. There was a place called the Institute of Sexology in Germany during WWII that got all of its research removed and burned by Nazis. Decades upon decades of LGBTQIAP++ Research decimated by a bunch of zealots. And we're still recovering. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ManicPlumber77 01/21/21 4:34:04 PM #34:	UnfairRepresent posted... I am anti-Terf and pro transgender rights. Feminists who hate and mistreat transgenders are no less bigoted than asshole guys who hate and mistreat transgenders Everyone deserves equal rights in law and employment But the specific subject of physical sports and competition? That's not a social issue. That's a biological one Biological female bodies cannot compete against biological male ones, that's why we segregate sports in the first place. If we didnt , women could not compete period Trying to put this on par with saying employers at an office can fire someone for being trans is madness Again, citation needed Stop pulling garbage out of your ass and throwing it onto a message board. --- This is a sig. <cite>ManicPlumber77 posted [p:949761272] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>I am anti-Terf and pro transgender rights. Feminists who hate and mistreat transgenders are no less bigoted than asshole guys who hate and mistreat transgenders Everyone deserves equal rights in law and employment But the specific subject of physical sports and competition? That's not a social issue. That's a biological one Biological female bodies cannot compete against biological male ones, that's why we segregate sports in the first place. If we didnt , women could not compete period Trying to put this on par with saying employers at an office can fire someone for being trans is madness</quote>Again, citation needed Stop pulling garbage out of your ass and throwing it onto a message board. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 01/21/21 4:35:25 PM #35:	ManicPlumber77 posted... You're ignoring everything else but their genitals. Wut... It has nothing to do with genitals. It's 100% about biology. Frank Mir could cut his balls and dick off tomorrow and still proceed to beat any biological woman on Earth in a cage fight with ease..... Well once he's out of the hospital anyway Why are you even pretending to deny that? --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949761328] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>ManicPlumber77 posted... </cite> <quote>You're ignoring everything else but their genitals.</quote>Wut... It has nothing to do with genitals. It's 100% about biology. Frank Mir could cut his balls and dick off tomorrow and still proceed to beat any biological woman on Earth in a cage fight with ease..... Well once he's out of the hospital anyway Why are you even pretending to deny that? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 01/21/21 4:37:36 PM #36:	ManicPlumber77 posted... biowoman Honestly not a fan of this term either. Implies being trans isn't biological >_> --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:949761406] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>ManicPlumber77 posted... </cite> <quote>biowoman</quote>Honestly not a fan of this term either. Implies being trans isn't biological >_> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ManicPlumber77 01/21/21 4:38:27 PM #37:	UnfairRepresent posted... Wut... It has nothing to do with genitals. It's 100% about biology. Frank Mir could cut his balls and dick off tomorrow and still proceed to beat any biological woman on Earth in a cage fight with ease..... Well once he's out of the hospital anyway Why are you even pretending to deny that? Pretending to deny what? --- This is a sig. <cite>ManicPlumber77 posted [p:949761447] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Wut... It has nothing to do with genitals. It's 100% about biology. Frank Mir could cut his balls and dick off tomorrow and still proceed to beat any biological woman on Earth in a cage fight with ease..... Well once he's out of the hospital anyway Why are you even pretending to deny that?</quote>Pretending to deny what? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FlameTurtle 01/21/21 4:38:51 PM #38:	CyricZ posted... Honestly not a fan of this term either. Implies being trans isn't biological >_> You're firing on all cylinders today --- Updated Prediction for the 2020 election: https://www.270towin.com/maps/xGWGg <cite>FlameTurtle posted [p:949761464] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Honestly not a fan of this term either. Implies being trans isn't biological >_></quote>You're firing on all cylinders today </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ManicPlumber77 01/21/21 4:38:59 PM #39:	CyricZ posted... Honestly not a fan of this term either. Implies being trans isn't biological >_> It is, but damn am I strapped for terminology. --- This is a sig. <cite>ManicPlumber77 posted [p:949761471] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Honestly not a fan of this term either. Implies being trans isn't biological >_></quote>It is, but damn am I strapped for terminology. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 01/21/21 4:40:25 PM #40:	CyricZ posted... Honestly not a fan of this term either. Implies being trans isn't biological >_> The terms can be a minefield but the simple fact is transgender woman and a naturally born woman have different biological bodies physically Now socially and in regards to attitudes , law or employment, that doesn't matter but physical sport and competition? That absolutely matters . How can anyone even pretend not to see that? --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949761531] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Honestly not a fan of this term either. Implies being trans isn't biological >_></quote>The terms can be a minefield but the simple fact is transgender woman and a naturally born woman have different biological bodies physically Now socially and in regards to attitudes , law or employment, that doesn't matter but physical sport and competition? That absolutely matters . How can anyone even pretend not to see that? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CarrieChan 01/21/21 4:40:56 PM #41:	The popcorn must flow! <cite>CarrieChan posted [p:949761549] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>The popcorn must flow! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ManicPlumber77 01/21/21 4:41:10 PM #42:	UnfairRepresent posted... The terms can be a minefield but the simple fact is transgender woman and a naturally born woman have different biological bodies physically Now socially and in regards to attitudes , law or employment, that doesn't matter but physical sport and competition? That absolutely matters . How can anyone even pretend not to see that? Pretend not to see what? --- This is a sig. <cite>ManicPlumber77 posted [p:949761562] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>The terms can be a minefield but the simple fact is transgender woman and a naturally born woman have different biological bodies physically Now socially and in regards to attitudes , law or employment, that doesn't matter but physical sport and competition? That absolutely matters . How can anyone even pretend not to see that?</quote>Pretend not to see what? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 01/21/21 4:41:40 PM #43:	ManicPlumber77 posted... Pretend not to see what? The terms can be a minefield but the simple fact is transgender woman and a naturally born woman have different biological bodies physically Now socially and in regards to attitudes , law or employment, that doesn't matter but physical sport and competition? That absolutely matters . --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949761576] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>ManicPlumber77 posted... </cite> <quote>Pretend not to see what?</quote>The terms can be a minefield but the simple fact is transgender woman and a naturally born woman have different biological bodies physically Now socially and in regards to attitudes , law or employment, that doesn't matter but physical sport and competition? That absolutely matters . </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unsugarized_Foo 01/21/21 4:43:43 PM #44:	Where's Joe 'I absolutely think past men in present women's sports is murder' Rogan when you need him --- "All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana <cite>Unsugarized_Foo posted [p:949761649] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>Where's Joe 'I absolutely think past men in present women's sports is murder' Rogan when you need him </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ManicPlumber77 01/21/21 4:45:45 PM #45:	UnfairRepresent posted... The terms can be a minefield but the simple fact is transgender woman and a naturally born woman have different biological bodies physically Now socially and in regards to attitudes , law or employment, that doesn't matter but physical sport and competition? That absolutely matters . My ex was intersex, and a transgender woman. What are your thoughts on that? Could she beat the shit out of any biological woman? Or what about people with AIS? Or what about people that started hormonal transition early? What about people that have been on feminizing hormone therapy for years, like me, who make testosterone in amounts similar to any other woman? What about people who have orchiectomies? You're just shoehorning people in with each other in hopes that your pathetic screaming will be noticed. Get fucked. --- This is a sig. <cite>ManicPlumber77 posted [p:949761705] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>The terms can be a minefield but the simple fact is transgender woman and a naturally born woman have different biological bodies physically Now socially and in regards to attitudes , law or employment, that doesn't matter but physical sport and competition? That absolutely matters .</quote>My ex was intersex, and a transgender woman. What are your thoughts on that? Could she beat the shit out of any biological woman? Or what about people with AIS? Or what about people that started hormonal transition early? What about people that have been on feminizing hormone therapy for years, like me, who make testosterone in amounts similar to any other woman? What about people who have orchiectomies? You're just shoehorning people in with each other in hopes that your pathetic screaming will be noticed. Get fucked. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 01/21/21 4:46:57 PM #47:	cuh posted... Will this topic also reach 100+ posts? Well obviously --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:949761746] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>cuh posted... </cite> <quote>Will this topic also reach 100+ posts? </quote>Well obviously </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 01/21/21 4:47:14 PM #48:	FlameTurtle posted... You're firing on all cylinders today Hey I'm not makin' the topics. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:949761763] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>FlameTurtle posted... </cite> <quote>You're firing on all cylinders today</quote>Hey I'm not makin' the topics. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Middle hope 01/21/21 4:48:02 PM #49:	We need to tear down all gender and weight classes in sports and let everyone compete in the same league. Totally gives everyone the exact same chance to prove what they are capable of. --- https://imgur.com/iQep35u https://imgur.com/PmX8smn https://imgur.com/mwTy0iF https://imgur.com/FCER80e <cite>Middle hope posted [p:949761794] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>We need to tear down all gender and weight classes in sports and let everyone compete in the same league. Totally gives everyone the exact same chance to prove what they are capable of. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_SilverX 01/21/21 4:49:15 PM #50:	what a hypocrite he just added that beautiful woman the other day --- Rather a Zoom Thanksgiving than an ICU Christmas. don't compare games to feces -- if you've an opinion worth mentioning, do so civilly <cite>Dark_SilverX posted [p:949761826] in Biden spar... [t:79252066]...</cite> <quote>what a hypocrite he just added that beautiful woman the other day </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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