Board 8 > WandaVision starts streaming tomorrow on Disney+

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

oh I thought it was pretty great. Elizabeth was doing an excellent Julie Bowen impression, and Vision did a Jim face. Agnethas I bit a kid once cutaway was legitimately funny too.

The pacing, comedic timing, and jokes (to the extent there were any) were all off. It felt like the superficial aspects were all there but like Para said the writers weren't enthusiastic about it. The structure was more about giving exposition while using the format than actually taking advantage of the format to tell the story. At some points it honestly feels like the people making it don't like this style of sitcom and are having to write around it.

There were some inspired bits the part where the offscreen cameraperson asks Wanda if she deserves this, the part where Vision realizes he's being stalled and leaves, and the part where it's revealed Agnes was doing the interviews but all of these are subverting the trope. The attempts to play it straight for humor largely fail.

I do have to give special shoutouts to the intro credit theme song for this one though, they really nailed it in the best and worst possible ways.

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The brutal weekly wait begins again. Latest episode was great and I really want more already. Well maybe the part with Monica wasnt super fantastic, but otherwise it was good stuff. This is just making me like Wanda a lot and hoping she gets more focus in whatever other MCU movies she ends up in later on.

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

The pacing, comedic timing, and jokes (to the extent there were any) were all off. It felt like the superficial aspects were all there but like Para said the writers weren't enthusiastic about it. The structure was more about giving exposition while using the format than actually taking advantage of the format to tell the story. At some points it honestly feels like the people making it don't like this style of sitcom and are having to write around it.

Yeah, I totally felt this way as well. It felt like a very stark contrast to me from, say, the first episode, where it's clear that the writers and directors loved this style and really wanted to do it right, and the result is honestly funny on its own merits. This, I didn't really feel the sense that they had jokes that they were really excited to do with this format, although I DO love the bit where Vision walks out.

For people asking about Agatha's motivations, in the comics she has a son who dies. I think she noticed Wanda doing all this, including bringing Vision back, and wants to manipulate her into reviving her son.

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I thought they nailed the Modern Family vibes and jokes, I loved it.

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some of y'all are sucking the fun out of this

I definitely don't think the reveal was too obvious, especially given that Agatha Harkness isn't exactly the most mainstream Marvel villain, so unless you already know (or look up) every character associated with Scarlet Witch and Vision beforehand you're likely not going to see it coming (ie most of the people watching). It'd be different if it was like an old man with a mysterious red/purple helmet who keeps moving metal things around.

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I had seen Agatha Harkness thrown around as a possibility, but I have no knowledge of the character, so just "Oh it's Agatha Harkness!" had no impact on me. Like oh okay. But luckily that's what the theme song is for, and I look forward to seeing what she's gonna do next week. Also yay Darkhold from Agents of SHIELD!

I had also seen people speculate about Mephisto or some House of M comic storyline as possible explanations too. I'm not familiar with those either, but who knows, maybe it's not too late for all of the above?

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Yeah, I was confused about that too when reading through these comments. I mean, either you guys are hardcore Marvel fans or did a lot of fan theory reading to know who agatha harkness even is beforehand. In which case, no duh you saw it coming. But for the other 99% of the population, this came as an out of nowhere surprise.

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Following along with theory vids myself I meannn it would've sucked if Agnes wasn't who she is.

Some things just make perfect sense and don't need to be swerved, namely just for people much deeper in-the-know than your average viewer anyways. They ended up making a very entertaining reveal anyhow even for those of us who were convinced ages ago imho.

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It's not so much about knowing it was Agatha Harkness, but more about it being Agatha.

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guffguy89 posted...

I mean, either you guys are hardcore Marvel fans or did a lot of fan theory reading to know who agatha harkness even is beforehand.

you don't have to be a hardcore marvel fan to know who agatha harkness is. she's not an obscure character!

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...I didn't know who she was.

Sorry I don't know everything about everything Lasa...

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I dunno I don't consider Harkness to be obscure exactly, but she's definitely not a character most would be familiar with. For hardcore comic fans it was kind of obvious (but there's always red herring possibilities), but most people are far from that.

Also I don't think anyone brought up her name in this thread before the last episode which I was particularly proud of.

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Strife2 posted...

...I didn't know who she was.

Sorry I don't know everything about everything Lasa...

uh, i didn't say there's anything wrong with not knowing who she is. just saying that i disagree that she's an "obscure character you would have never heard of if you're not a hardcore marvel fan." like, i consider myself to be a casual marvel fan at best, and i've known about her existence for many years.

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I would be considered a casual Marvel fan, even though I consider myself a huge MCU fan. There's a big difference, though.

I only knew of Agatha Harkness because I like to follow popular fan theories/speculation and look up info related to them. But if it wasn't for that, I had never heard of Agatha Harkness before.

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You want obscure, Hellcow is obscure.

But they do dig her up every once in awhile because a vampire cow is inherently awesome.

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They wouldn't have named her Agnes if they didn't want people to instantly guess who it was. That's the thing with reveals in this medium, if you leave enough clues for people to figure it out (which you should), you only need one person to put it together and mention it online and instantly thousands of people know it.

Thankfully this didn't revolve around it being a shocking twist, they didn't even frame it as a big surprise moment in that way. The name Agatha Harkness means literally nothing to me but I'm not gonna forget that theme song in a hurry!

Also I have no idea why some people want there to be someone else pulling the strings, like I assume that must be how it goes in the comics but what dramatic purpose could that serve here? Agnes has been with us since the start and fits well as the mastermind, I don't want some random shady dude I've never seen before suddenly being the Real Bad Guy at the end, I can't see how that wouldn't be lame.

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guffguy89 posted...

In which case, no duh you saw it coming. But for the other 99% of the population, this came as an out of nowhere surprise.

You don't have to know who Agatha is to know something was off about Agnes. Anyone who was paying attention knew she would turn out to be someone important.

andylt posted...

Also I have no idea why some people want there to be someone else pulling the strings

It's just speculation, I could be completely wrong, but my guess is she's not the true villain. In fact I would even bet she's another victim. I can easily see her sticking around as Wanda's friend after all this is over.

I point to Pietro as my evidence, Wanda didn't bring him back. Agatha supposedly wants to bring someone back, but she doesn't have that power, so someone else still has to answer for Quicksilver.

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CassandraCain posted...

You don't have to know who Agatha is to know something was off about Agnes. Anyone who was paying attention knew she would turn out to be someone important.

It's just speculation, I could be completely wrong, but my guess is she's not the true villain. In fact I would even bet she's another victim. I can easily see her sticking around as Wanda's friend after all this is over.

I point to Pietro as my evidence, Wanda didn't bring him back. Agatha supposedly wants to bring someone back, but she doesn't have that power, so someone else still has to answer for Quicksilver.

Whatever the story with Pietro ends up being, I think the one thing we can say for sure is that hes not the MCU Pietro brought back from the dead. Hes either XMen Quicksilver brought from that dimension or hes some kind of imposter. Either of those things may be within Agathas power.

I always thought there would be a bigger bad guy involved, but I dont know that its necessary or a good idea anymore. Theres just not much time left to effectively introduce another villain and any sort of Agatha is actually being controlled by another evil thing seems like a waste when theyve made her a compelling villain on her own.
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The first thing that popped in my mind when they showed her controlling him is that he is the quicksilver Agatha knows from her universe so when she conjured him or whatever that was her only point of reference

but who knows!

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

Whatever the story with Pietro ends up being, I think the one thing we can say for sure is that hes not the MCU Pietro brought back from the dead. Hes either XMen Quicksilver brought from that dimension or hes some kind of imposter. Either of those things may be within Agathas power.

I always thought there would be a bigger bad guy involved, but I dont know that its necessary or a good idea anymore. Theres just not much time left to effectively introduce another villain and any sort of Agatha is actually being controlled by another evil thing seems like a waste when theyve made her a compelling villain on her own.

We are supposedly still going to get around 2 and a half hours of content so there would definitely be enough time to introduce someone else if that holds true. If there is another villain to be introduced they wouldn't even necessarily have to be resolved in Wandavision because they could also serve as the villain in Dr. Strange 2.

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

We are supposedly still going to get around 2 and a half hours of content

eh, i'll believe it when i see it.

last week, the story was "the last three episodes are going to be an hour each" and that didn't happen, so... >_>

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That was from a misinterpretation of a Kevin Feige quote saying it was six hours long in total. Counting credits, we are at the four hour mark. Allowing for rounding it could be as little as just over an hour and a half left, so could be two 45 minute episodes, or a 40-50 minute episode and an hour long finale, and the statement would still be accurate.

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swordz9 posted...

The brutal weekly wait begins again. Latest episode was great and I really want more already. Well maybe the part with Monica wasnt super fantastic, but otherwise it was good stuff. This is just making me like Wanda a lot and hoping she gets more focus in whatever other MCU movies she ends up in later on.

Im pretty sure shes going to have a prominent role in Doctor Stranges next movie.


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I think at best there will be an end credits scene in the last episode that could reveal Agatha being a pawn of someone else that ties into Dr. Strange 2 somehow, but that would feel a lot like how Thanos used Loki as a pawn in Avengers 1.

That said I think Dottie is definitely someone but she's at odds with whatever Agnes is doing.

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

We are supposedly still going to get around 2 and a half hours of content so there would definitely be enough time to introduce someone else if that holds true. If there is another villain to be introduced they wouldn't even necessarily have to be resolved in Wandavision because they could also serve as the villain in Dr. Strange 2.

I do think the villain of DS2 will appear in this and probably be linked to Agatha, but I dont think that character will be an active presence in this shows story.

ok heres my theory

This is the closest thing to a Scarlet Witch origin movie were going to get. A lot of Marvels origin movies feature villains that are like dark mirror versions of the hero, so I think Agatha will essentially be that for Wanda.

It will turn out that Agatha lost a child, and she needed to do the whole elaborate plan to somehow fulfill a contract with Mephisto or whoever to get that character to bring Agathas child back. So shes an evil grieving magical lady to mirror Wandas good grieving magical lady. Wanda will realize she cant be like Agatha and will accept that she has to let Vision go.

then maybe that bigger bad guy will show up briefly when Agatha loses the fight

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Lightning Strikes posted...

That was from a misinterpretation of a Kevin Feige quote saying it was six hours long in total. Counting credits, we are at the four hour mark. Allowing for rounding it could be as little as just over an hour and a half left, so could be two 45 minute episodes, or a 40-50 minute episode and an hour long finale, and the statement would still be accurate.

I just did some googling, I guess it was actually Shakman that said it was 6 hours, though he did not specify runtime or content, the breakdown I saw went with runtime and before episode 7 we had 147 minutes of runtime left for episodes 7-9, episode 7 was 36 minutes if I remember correctly which would leave us 111 minutes of runtime left for the last 2 episodes and the credits have averaged about 7 minutes per episode, so if the 6 hours is based on runtime we should have 97 minutes of content left. If the 6 hours is based on content then we have substantially more left for the final two episodes.

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The last thing I want is for this show to end as a set-up for Dr Strange 2 or whatever else, one of the things that put me off the MCU in the first place is their refusal to have self-contained narratives with any meaningful closure, getting to the point where entire films felt like set-ups for the next one etc. Like sure open up the X-men into this world or something, feel free to leave minor threads hanging or little teases of future events, but having a big bad with 'to be continued in the next movie!' would suck terribly.

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This is part of the MCU though. It's the first entry in the fourth phase.

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It seems like a safe bet that Agatha will be the main villain for the show but at the end they'll introduce Mephisto and set up DS2. The fly they showed in the recent episode is a dead giveaway

The whole show was sold on the fact that it would set up Strange 2. Like, that was it's entire purpose

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So given the reveal about Agatha, I think the meaning of the yogurt commercial is that she's feeding off Wanda's power somehow.

-"Snackin' on Yo-Magic" = "snacking on your magic"
-"The snack for survivors": in the comics, Agatha is a survivor of the Salem witch trials, and in ep1 she mentioned her anniversary is June 2nd, the day the first woman was tried and convicted of being a witch in those trials
-The shark's music in the commercial is similar to (though not EXACTLY the same as) Agatha All Along
-"Agatha Harkness" anagrams to "Agnes tha Shark" with an A left over

MrGreenonion posted...

-"Agatha Harkness" anagrams to "Agnes tha Shark" with an A left over

stop

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Aecioo posted...

stop

Katy Perry tried to warn us at that one Super Bowl.

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Aecioo posted...

stop

It could also be "Aha, Agnes T. Shark"

(the T stands for "the")

MrGreenonion posted...

It could also be "Aha, Agnes T. Shark"

(the T stands for "the")

OK you got me there

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MrGreenonion posted...

It could also be "Aha, Agnes T. Shark"

(the T stands for "the")

Ah at Shark Agnes!

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Agnes: A shark hat

In this case "hat" refers to the term meaning "position" or "role". It's so obvious!

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Im guessing the events of Infinity War and End Game are just common knowledge in this series. Its the only way I can make sense of Darcy being aware Thanos rewound time Doesnt really bother me, but damn its a little odd with characters knowing stuff they werent there to see

Mr Lasastryke posted...

nice reveal at the end that agatha was wanda's interviewer even though the voice we heard was male, btw.

it actually was agnes' voice

just pitched down

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swordz9 posted...

Im guessing the events of Infinity War and End Game are just common knowledge in this series. Its the only way I can make sense of Darcy being aware Thanos rewound time Doesnt really bother me, but damn its a little odd with characters knowing stuff they werent there to see

The Avengers are going to want as much positive press as they can get after prior events. It is pretty safe to assume someone told the story.

Probably leaving out details like failing to go for the head.

FFDragon posted...

The whole show was sold on the fact that it would set up Strange 2. Like, that was it's entire purpose

Really? Damn that sucks, can't anything in this universe just exist on its own merit? Is Dr Strange 2 just a setup for Guardians 3? Is Hawkeye's Crossbow Training just a setup for Squirrel Girl vs Aunt May? Ugh I hate that stuff, hopefully this show resolves itself satisfactorily anyway.

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Everything in the MCU can be enjoyed on its own merits

Except maybe the Hulk movie

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Leonhart4 posted...

Everything in the MCU can be enjoyed on its own merits

Everything? Even like Endgame? I'd figure that would be completely incomprehensible by itself.

That said I don't mind the interconnected nature of these things. Wasn't that supposed to be the big draw of these Disney+ shows compared to the previous Marvel tv series? The older shows were so disconnected they didn't matter at all even when they tried. Agents of SHIELD was hilarious before they gave up trying to be canon. One episode literally had them cleaning up Thor's leftover garbage. That was the big draw. Whoopee. At least things actually matter and have ramifications now.

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I mean I feel like you could enjoy Endgame even as you were confused by it

I don't mind the interconnected nature of the MCU either. I just don't agree with the notion that they aren't good as standalone features either.

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ya go my WandaVision

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