Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 352: Cool Aid, Man

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To Republicans, all aid is foreign
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I'm now imagining the Kool-Aid Man breaking through people's walls to deliver them checks and glasses of Great Bluedini, and then when the people get upset about their wall having a hole bashed through it in the middle of winter, he just says Mexico will pay for it and flees.

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"no one would have considered it an issue unless Trump said so".

I rate this comment 5 pinnochios. Did you not see social media prior to his video? He is literally just making his stance what the popular response was.

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https://nypost.com/2020/12/23/dr-birx-trip-came-after-parents-stopped-eating-and-drinking/

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https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1342265067727937543?s=21

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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1342265067727937543?s=21

If you are saying because of that photo you could find photos like that from BLM protests easily.

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Corrik did not read the article.

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red13n posted...

Corrik did not read the article.

Correct. I said if based on the photo.

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamminsky/2020/12/23/biden-says-he-is-unlikely-to-cancel-50000-in-student-loan-debt-by-executive-order/?sh=197a89ea15b6

You can tell Biden doesn't want to cancel debt because he is trying to limit his own power about doing so.

The being willing to do 10k just sounds like giving something to people he promised to on something he doesn't want to do.

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the donors and DNC committee do not approve of canceling debt so of course he's not.


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Biden worked hard for credit card companies for decades, why would he suddenly want to help debtors? He expressly campaigned on not canceling more than 10k of student debt.

If you want a President who's friendly to debtors, you should have voted for Trump. Who has already deferred student loans nearly a year with no interest or payments!

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Corrik7 posted...

Correct. I said if based on the photo.

Thats a really irrelevant comment then since nowhere was it implied that LotM or Tapper was only going by the photo

And now by pointing this out to you, Im also making an irrelevant comment
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Jakyl25 posted...

Thats a really irrelevant comment then since nowhere was it implied that LotM or Tapper was only going by the photo

And now by pointing this out to you, Im also making an irrelevant comment

My comment is what it is. Your response could have easily have been not the photo, you have to read the article. *Shrug*. Merry Christmas, buddy. = )

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Corrik, admitting complete incompetence and being happy about it.

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Seeing commercial because I'm at my parents. 2 weeks until the runoffs end and living in GA, and I'm still seeing more ads asking for people to text proof of voter fraud from the primary than I am for Loeffler and Perdue.


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pelosi's fully aware that a small committee vote needing unanimous consent wouldn't pass, it's theatrics to give them a 4 day weekend.

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This is a very good title

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Corrik, admitting complete incompetence and being happy about it.

You literally made an argument a topic ago or so where you argued a supreme court case meant something than it did if you had read an article... Acted like you read the article still... Then tried to play it off like you were trying to get my attention when I called you out on it.

I absolutely said I never read this article and said if it were based off the photo it is no different than photos from countless BLM protests / riots. Obviously making a jab at the the BLM protests / riots.

You still are QQing because you got caught being a hypocrite about conspiracy theorist nonsense. Lol.

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How many more days does Trump have to sign the relief bill?

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So a RV bomb went off in Nashville. Some think it was trying to destroy an ATT building. It broadcasted a warning saying it had a bomb and counted down and eventually blasted. Likely it was on Christmas day and had the warning to try and not hurt any people.

Motive still unknown. Also don't know if they have any suspects yet.

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Pelosi, just like everyone else, knew that the unanimous consent request would not pass. While it was theatrics, it's also largely because she can't just summon the entire House back on such short notice during the holidays (that's more in the domain of a 9th level spell and Speaker of the House, largely being a homebrew Wizard/Bard multiclass, is limited to 7th level spell slots as the drawback of its multiclass and access to unique spells such as Hold Legislation.)

She's going to hold the roll call vote once they're actually back for reals on Monday.

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I'm not even sure if the GOP blocked it. It's hard to read exactly what happened, but what I read seemed to be that the Democratic house member who leads a committee of some sort denied it because the gop leaders didn't agree to it (not that they disagreed to it) and that you cannot send a bill with unanimous consent without agreement from both sides.

Not sure if that's correct but it is what I think I gleam from it.

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Corrik7 posted...

the gop leaders didn't agree to it (not that they disagreed to it)

I see we are doing bad mental gymnastics today.

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"today"

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Corrik7 posted...

gop leaders didn't agree to it

Corrik7 posted...

you cannot send a bill with unanimous consent without agreement

Corrik7 posted...

not even sure if the GOP blocked it

Lololol


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Oh, right, not sure we talked about this point but as far as I can tell, despite Congress technically passing it before the pocket veto deadline... I don't think it was "officially transmitted" to the White House until yesterday which means the 10 day clock didn't start until then.

...Which means Trump can pocket veto the COVID Relief and Government Funding bill by doing nothing because the clock skips Sundays so it doesn't expire until January 4 when Congress is constitutionally mandated to adjourn by noon on January 3.

(I'm actually not sure what happens in the mind-numbingly bizarre scenario of "can Trump just sit on it and pout for 9 days then sign it after Congress adjourns at the last second" so I'm just going to assume that that doesn't work and that if Trump does nothing by January 3rd the bill is dead. Also not 100% sure if the Senate can pull parliamentary bullshit to delay a veto override vote (but it's the Senate so "probably") making the effective time even less.)

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xp1337 posted...

Oh, right, not sure we talked about this point but as far as I can tell, despite Congress technically passing it before the pocket veto deadline... I don't think it was "officially transmitted" to the White House until yesterday which means the 10 day clock didn't start until then.

...Which means Trump can pocket veto the COVID Relief and Government Funding bill by doing nothing because the clock skips Sundays so it doesn't expire until January 4 when Congress is constitutionally mandated to adjourn by noon on January 3.

(I'm actually not sure what happens in the mind-numbingly bizarre scenario of "can Trump just sit on it and pout for 9 days then sign it after Congress adjourns at the last second" so I'm just going to assume that that doesn't work and that if Trump does nothing by January 3rd the bill is dead. Also not 100% sure if the Senate can pull parliamentary bullshit to delay a veto override vote (but it's the Senate so "probably") making the effective time even less.)

So basically we're probably getting a government shutdown during a pandemic because he's throwing a tantrum about not being backed for his coup attempt

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LordoftheMorons posted...

So basically we're probably getting a government shutdown during a pandemic because he's throwing a tantrum about not being backed for his coup attempt

From what I understand, Congress is going to pass another funding resolution also to extend the deadline in case it is vetoed?

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Ugh Trump is just trying to mess it up bad before he has to leave office

xp1337 posted...

Pelosi, just like everyone else, knew that the unanimous consent request would not pass. While it was theatrics, it's also largely because she can't just summon the entire House back on such short notice during the holidays (that's more in the domain of a 9th level spell and Speaker of the House, largely being a homebrew Wizard/Bard multiclass, is limited to 7th level spell slots as the drawback of its multiclass and access to unique spells such as Hold Legislation.)

This is what I lurk this topic for.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

So basically we're probably getting a government shutdown during a pandemic because he's throwing a tantrum about not being backed for his coup attempt

Well, the government is only funded through (I think through/including, at least) Monday so if he sits on/vetoes the omnibus then the government will shutdown well before the other hard deadlines involving the pocket veto and Congress adjourning.

That said, if he were actually determined to do that, it's conceivable it wouldn't be fixed for a while. At the very least, while the House will be back on Monday for the roll call on $2000 checks and for the NDAA veto override, the Senate has shown no urgency despite the chaotic events of the past few days and is still not going to return until Tuesday. So even if they went back to passing short emergency CRs to keep the government open it would still be shut down for a bit since the Senate isn't even going to be around to vote on one until after a shutdown begins. And really if we go that route it'd be a bit weird to imagine Trump signing such CRs and we'd be in the exact same situation as we are now anyway.

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xp1337 posted...

Well, the government is only funded through (I think through/including, at least) Monday so if he sits on/vetoes the omnibus then the government will shutdown well before the other hard deadlines involving the pocket veto and Congress adjourning.

That said, if he were actually determined to do that, it's conceivable it wouldn't be fixed for a while. At the very least, while the House will be back on Monday for the roll call on $2000 checks and for the NDAA veto override, the Senate has shown no urgency despite the chaotic events of the past few days and is still not going to return until Tuesday. So even if they went back to passing short emergency CRs to keep the government open it would still be shut down for a bit since the Senate isn't even going to be around to vote on one until after a shutdown begins. And really if we go that route it'd be a bit weird to imagine Trump signing such CRs and we'd be in the exact same situation as we are now anyway.

If he refuses to sign or veto anything he could unilaterally force a shutdown until Bidens inauguration, right?

Unless they impeached/removed him, at least

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LordoftheMorons posted...

If he refuses to sign or veto anything he could unilaterally force a shutdown until Bidens inauguration, right?

Technically, I think the new Congress could hypothetically veto override him if they could get a bill/CR to him.

New Congress can convene at Noon on Jan 3. From there there should be 14 days until the inauguration (again skipping Sundays since they don't count against the time a President has to sign/not sign a bill) so if they could get a new bill to him by Jan 8 he'd have to act. Either he vetoes (but he could stall that out the full 10 days sure) and Congress would be able to override or he does nothing in which case it automatically becomes law (the pocket veto thing only works when Congress goes out of session and it would be pretty trivial for them to stay in session to prevent that from happening. It's only an issue now because the 116th Congress literally ends on Jan 3 with the new Congress coming in.)

Thaaaaaat said, the new Congress would be starting from the very beginning of the process again because all bills not signed into law at the end of the Congress are dead and I don't know if they could fast track something from scratch that quickly without unanimous consent which lets them cut through much of the process stuff... and given you only need one guy like Rand Paul or any number of House GOP crazies (and we have literal QAnon believers in now) to ruin that... idk.

So like, tl;dr: Probably? Technically if Congress tried to speedrun legislation they might be able to force a reopening over Trump's objections like 4-5 days before Biden's inauguration if he chose to obstruct them but I think that would require no one in Congress to be an ass about it and even one could probably slow it down. But even if they broke a speed record somehow Trump could unilaterally stall them nearly all the way, until Jan 14th or Jan 15th at least (in the almost impossible scenario Congress gets him a bill from scratch in the literal half of a day that is their first day.)

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/25/us/politics/georgia-senate-record-fundraising.html

I never understand what they could possibly need this much money for. I wish every dollar raised for campaigns went strait to people who need it rather than their campaigns.

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I agree. Never donate to a political campaign thats supported by one of the two big parties
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbVYshMpZ9E

5 minutes worth your time.

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Car bombs. Government shutdown. What's Trump doing?

Complaining that Melania's fashion line wasn't featured more prominently in fashion magazines.

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Yo internet, it's possible the guy who's name is coming up right now could be connected to the car bomb, but maybe don't dox this person until we have more info?


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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Yo internet, it's possible the guy who's name is coming up right now could be connected to the car bomb, but maybe don't dox this person until we have more info?

We did it reddit!

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Hey look at this piece of shit president that everyone is pretending actually cares about giving people more money (short thread about how Trump's tantrum will permanently reduce how much UI people get from this bill):

https://twitter.com/bencasselman/status/1342315823583678468

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Hey look at this piece of shit president that everyone is pretending actually cares about giving people more money (short thread about how Trump's tantrum will permanently reduce how much UI people get from this bill):

https://twitter.com/bencasselman/status/1342315823583678468

Congress could just extend it further. Don't blame Trump for wanting to help people more.

Man what is happening to the GOP lol

https://www.newsweek.com/pro-trump-lawyers-call-georgia-runoffs-boycott-hints-arresting-loeffler-perdue-1557384

Loeffler is literally an android programmed to vote alongside Trump with no free will of it's own, and suddenly it's a RINO?

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HeroicCrono posted...

Congress could just extend it further. Don't blame Trump for wanting to help people more.

He absolutely does not want to help people more. He wants to (and is) fuck up the deal because Rs arent backing his voter fraud conspiracy theories.

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By the way, in addition to the fact that Trump has never in his life given anyone any reason to give him the benefit of the doubt, the reason you know he's full of shit is that he never once voiced any of these objections to the bill until the deal was already done and time was up.

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if Loeffler somehow beats Warnock in spite of everything that has happened then we should take back any praise Georgia got for voting Biden

Oh def. Their efforts have been an embarrassing disgrace. On an even playing field, the idea of Perdue winning would be iffy at this point, much less Loeffler. They even tried to cook up some story about Warnock hitting his ex-wife with a car which went absolutely nowhere.

It just goes to show how stupid the general populace is that either if them have a chance. Here's hoping the strong uptick in black voters in early voting from the general is a good sign.

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Paratroopa1 posted...

if Loeffler somehow beats Warnock in spite of everything that has happened then we should take back any praise Georgia got for voting Biden

Massachusetts and Illinois both voted in Republican senators in off year elections right after Obamas first election.

Off year elections are incredibly tough for the party in the presidency as people get complacent. I think it would be expected for Democrats to lose this, and if they somehow won then we just elect Abrams emperor of getting out the vote for the rest of her life.

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Georgia usually runs +a point or two towards Republicans in Runoffs historically. The difference could be with the Senate on the line and anti r Trump voters tho.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

By the way, in addition to the fact that Trump has never in his life given anyone any reason to give him the benefit of the doubt, the reason you know he's full of shit is that he never once voiced any of these objections to the bill until the deal was already done and time was up.

That's incorrect.

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