Current Events > Demon's Souls remake has no difficulty options and people are upset.

(+) Yeah! (+)

https://mobile.twitter.com/TrevorJStarkey/status/1321806551921782785

People keep thinking they will, then get shocked when there aren't any.
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smh

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They have a right to be upset. Fuck that elitist gatekeeping company. There's no reason they can't mess around with settings and make an easy mode whether it's for people that don't want a challenge or disabled people or whatever. All games should be accessible to everyone. The last of us 2 is a phenomenal game on its own, but their accessibility options should be the new standard

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it does have difficulty options, if it's anything like the original - summoning + pure white tendency (very easy), solo + pure white tendency (easy), summoning + normal tendency (less easy), solo + normal tendency (normal), summoning + pure black tendency (hard), solo + pure black tendency (very hard)


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"Why should I have to learn? Just make it work for me!"

Fuck off

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I used to be on the why no easy mode? train until I actually played Soulsborne games.

the difficulty is overhyped. You die a lot, but death is expected and built into the game as a mechanic. I dont know how you could possibly make the game easier than it already is. >_>

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All it is is literally learning the game

As all games have been since the start

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Good.

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Asking for Easy Mode in a Souls game is like asking for No Gore Mode in a DOOM game.

Just go with magic and take the ring the regenerates mana, there you go.....easy mode.

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WallStreetWolf posted...

They have a right to be upset. Fuck that elitist gatekeeping company. There's no reason they can't mess around with settings and make an easy mode whether it's for people that don't want a challenge or disabled people or whatever. All games should be accessible to everyone. The last of us 2 is a phenomenal game on its own, but their accessibility options should be the new standard

@WallStreetWolf

What changes should they have made?

https://mobile.twitter.com/ScottimusHuff/status/1321860994143031297
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I used to avoid Souls games because people said they were difficult. Bought Bloodborne not knowing it was by same people. Almost quit because it was kicking my ass. Slowly got better and ended up platting it. And I'm so glad it didn't have a difficulty settings. These games are so rewarding the way they are.

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No ones asking them to make changes to the gameplay. It's not hard to turn down statistics like damage dealt or simply create an invincibility mode for those that don't give a damn about challenge. Everyone else can still enjoy the game with difficulty if they want

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WallStreetWolf posted...

They have a right to be upset. Fuck that elitist gatekeeping company. There's no reason they can't mess around with settings and make an easy mode whether it's for people that don't want a challenge or disabled people or whatever. All games should be accessible to everyone. The last of us 2 is a phenomenal game on its own, but their accessibility options should be the new standard

lrn2 play newb

CapnMuffin posted...

Good.

Hey look, an ablelist moderator

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Lanzol posted...

lrn2 play newb

I have spinal muscular atrophy. I literally can't

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if you want the game to be easy you can do a cheap kiting build and take people out from a distance

you dont have to be an in your face parrying and frame perfect dodge rolling guy

like sitting in a corner w/ a sticky long bow+5 and high dex will take care of 90% of all bosses and enemies

WallStreetWolf posted...

No ones asking them to make changes to the gameplay. It's not hard to turn down statistics like damage dealt or simply create an invincibility mode for those that don't give a damn about challenge. Everyone else can still enjoy the game with difficulty if they want

Maybe people should git gud instead of whining about it.

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invincibility mode

https://streamable.com/2y2ppz

It's not hard to turn down statistics like damage dealt

so honestly, one thing i think people generally don't intuit is that this exists, and it's called leveling vit. there is no more direct an example of a built-in difficulty slider in the souls games than that number.
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Lanzol posted...

if you want the game to be easy you can do a cheap kiting build and take people out from a distance

you dont have to be an in your face parrying and frame perfect dodge rolling guy

People shouldn't have to come up with mechanics to cheesethe game. It takes barely any effort to create an easy mode with separate settings that affects no one else.

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except it does

it has integrated mp

ez mode is ng, the actual game starts at ng+

runewalshPSiv posted...

Maybe people should git gud instead of whining about it.

What about people with physical diseases that enjoy the art style and atmosphere but literally can't? Do you seriously not see how ableist you people sound

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WallStreetWolf posted...

I have spinal muscular atrophy. I literally can't

I think you might find this interesting:
https://youtu.be/tso8u4OJLuI

This guy could do it, you can too!

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What a scrub

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deoxxys posted...

Would a easy mode really help you then?

I think you might find this interesting:
https://youtu.be/tso8u4OJLuI

The point is simply it's not hard for any game to do what the last of us 2 did. The facts and insults no one, and no one interested ever has to look at settings like that. It's purely a gatekeeping issue because a lot of these hard-core Souls players seem to have so little and life that they have to cling on to being good at a game that's not even meant to be fun. Suddenly, if anyone can finish the game they feel emasculated because it's one of the only things they have in life

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Miyazaki has said the difficulty is an important part of the experience. Kudos to him for having the balls not to compromise his artistic vision.

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Health was abundant as fuck in the game. No estus flasks yet. Instead, there were consumables and you could easily find/farm them. Limit of 99.

You'll be ALRIGHT.

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is one of the symptoms of spinal muscular dystrophy hardcore projection

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WallStreetWolf posted...

The point is simply it's not hard for any game to do what the last of us 2 did. The facts and insults no one, and no one interested ever has to look at settings like that. It's purely a gatekeeping issue because a lot of these hard-core Souls players seem to have so little and life that they have to cling on to being good at a game that's not even meant to be fun. Suddenly, if anyone can finish the game they feel emasculated because it's one of the only things they have in life

I dont know if your outlook is quite right when you think the game wasnt meant to be fun.

If its not meant to be fun then you arent missing out on anything right?

Also Naughty Dog games make sense to have handicaps because the games are driven by narrative and a cinematic like experience.
The Souls games are driven by hardship and overcoming those obstacles by adapting, it would quite literally go against its very nature.

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deoxxys posted...

I dont know if your outlook is quite right when you think the game wasnt meant to be fun.

If its not meant to be fun then you arent missing out on anything right?

Also Naughty Dog games make sense to have handicaps because the games are driven by narrative and a cinematic like experience.
The Souls games are driven by hardship and overcoming those obstacles by adapting, it would quite literally go against its very nature.

By your logic the souls games are terrible and only work playing because of difficulty

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I mean not really, but the difficulty is a core part of its identity.

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RedWhiteBlue posted...

@WallStreetWolf The closest thing to difficulty sliders in the Souls games are literally the following

-Shields. Literally. Probably the easiest, most accessible way to make the Souls games become drop-dead easy. Hold one up and run around like an idiot, you won't get punished except for like, a handful of enemies in the entire series.

-Summon signs. You could basically have a friend or someone random online help you out. They can literally do all/most of the fighting and you can enjoy the sight-seeing.

-Put a lot of stat points into vitality/vigor (whichever stat represents health, depends on the game). You only need the minimum for a fancy weapon to make it viable, even for endgame. Endurance is also excellent until at least the soft cap, where your stamina bar does not go any higher, but your weight carry limit can still go up.

-Heavy armor. In DeSo, DaSo1 and DaSo3, these are highly effective. Pair them up with a heavy shield for great stability (endurance damage mitigation aka stagger resistance from from being hit a lot). Dark Souls 2 is very different and specific with armor and damage resistances, slash is basically useless and blunt weapons are king.

-Patience, because running into danger of any kind should not be rewarded without prior knowledge/experience. You can back up and see how enemies attack, how to fight them. You can use your camera to peek behind walls.

-A single struggle does not mean a game is not accessible. Should an art museum require interpreters for the blind? Should an orchestra require sign language interpreters for the deaf? I understand you are not 100% disabled, but can't exactly entirely overcome your disability, so why not take advantage of the various things that make the games easier? Things like the above. This bullet point also begs the question of when is something too hard / not accessible?

One thing to note is that if there was anything that prevents invasions, a good half of the current online communities would be blocked off. The games would literally die faster than ever and it would actually end up hurting new players that want to experience the games, as far fewer people would slap down a summon sign to help people out, and a lower population also speeds up community death.

The problem is your explaining tips and strategies, you're talking about things people are not going to know to immediately do upon starting the game

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lol

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I'm pro easy mode in souls

I am not upset though

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Hundreds of thousands of Dark SOuls players have used mods to screw with the game when they play

Has this fact effected you at all?

No?

So why does the inclusion of difficulty options bother you?

People are such elitist weirdos about it.

IT's like screaming at deaf people for wanting a subtitle option in games. If you don't want it, don't turn it on. Don't be a weird asshole about the inclusion of the option to bring joy to people

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WallStreetWolf posted...

No ones asking them to make changes to the gameplay. It's not hard to turn down statistics like damage dealt or simply create an invincibility mode for those that don't give a damn about challenge. Everyone else can still enjoy the game with difficulty if they want

Git gud

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Hundreds of thousands of Dark SOuls players have used mods to screw with the game when they play

Has this fact effected you at all?

No?

So why does the inclusion of difficulty options bother you?

People are such elitist weirdos about it.

IT's like screaming at deaf people for wanting a subtitle option in games. If you don't want it, don't turn it on. Don't be a weird asshole about the inclusion of the option to bring joy to people

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4GMIx2x9uNI

Why was The Last of Us rated 18+? It's discriminating against young people who may have wanted to enjoy the game. Naughty Dog should have an option to make it for everyone.

Hes right that it wouldnt make the game worse but it shouldnt be required either

demons souls is the easiest souls game regardless outside of some of the mechanics being too esoteric

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I don't think there's anything wrong with asking/wanting an easy mode in whatever game you so want it for. I also don't think there's anything wrong with a developer not putting one into their games (obviously). By the same token, if From put an easy mode in Elden Ring, that would also be fine.

What really gets me is the way a certain subset of the gaming community, bolstered by another subset of obnoxious people in games media, that act like games not having an easy mode is near offensive.

I also am confused about the overbearing focus on a pre-game menu option for difficulty, especially in the context of Souls games which greatly allow you to modify your own difficulty with summoning, spell builds, etc. Hell, the ring of sacrifice in Dark Souls II (non-Scholar version) is so overpowered you basically never have to lose souls after you get it.

I realize these things require a bit of familiarity with the games, but it's there. Why get mad because the menu doesn't have an "Easy mode" button when the ability to organically push it in-game is there?
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bro xbox literally has adaptive controllers lol

It doesn't bother me if it does or doesn't, but difficulty and accessibility settings aren't necessarily the same thing. I have high praise for the TLOU2's accessibility options and Xbox's adaptive controller. I think developers can and should implement software and hardware to cater to the disabled. It can be done without changing the difficulty aspect of the game which is clearly important to the developers as they want the players to have a certain experience.


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This has been happening since the original Demons Souls, I remember it clearly. FROM hasnt caved in at all, nor do I ever think they will. Bluepoint wants to respect FROMs vision so theyll never do it either.

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This is awesome. Git gud or git butthurt you filthy casuals.